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Sacred Symbols+, Episode 449 | The Last of Us (HBO) Review Discussion and Spoilercast (Season 2, Episode 3) (Video) (Patreon)

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The Last of Us (HBO) Review Discussion and Spoilercast (S2, E3) | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 449

If last week's episode was a gut-punch, Episode 3 of The Last of Us' second HBO season allows for audiences to breathe, even if just a little. As several months ultimately pass, the citizenry of Jackson is able to dwell on and deal with not only Joel's death, but the Infected attack that nearly wiped them off the map for good. Yet, The Last of Us: Part II is a game all about revenge and the cyclical violence that's required to pursue it, and as we already know well enough, nothing is going to stop Ellie from pursuing her adopted father's killers. There are changes galore between game and TV show (including some ill-advised ones), but overall, we remain impressed with and engaged by what we've seen so far this season, and suspect you all feel the same way. So let's begin our journey towards and to Seattle, shall we?

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Kazden Risk

Did NOT like this episode … eager to hear the discussion here. Let’s go!

NotSam Blake R

Ellie better be lying about not talking to Joel on the porch. It’s one of the best scenes in the game. If they get rid of that this show sucks

Beef Burka

IMO they are ruining the story with these changes

Beef Burka

Like, why are they trying to make us think the Seraphites are complete victims and trying to avoid conflict? We first meet them in the game attacking anyone who isn't one of them and disemboweling people. They've kind of already ruined the tension of meeting the Seraphites for the first time and the feeling that everything about Seattle is screwed up.

Deemac

Of course she's lying about it, they wouldn't have made such a thing of her being asked about this in the show, if they weren't gonna come back to it later and show it in a flashback. That's the thing, for viewers who haven't played the game, they've no idea we'll see some flashbacks of Joel, so it will have more impact when we do. The show isn't catered for gamers, many seem to be missing that point. We need to see how the whole story is shown before declaring all these changes make no sense imo

Clitoris

There has been a clear philosophy shift this season. In season one, Neil said something like "if a change is the same or worse than the game, we wont make that change," and you could feel it. I wouldn't necessarily say that every change was better, but I could see an argument being made for each of them. This season however, there is so much being jumbled around that it can't possibly be the same philosophy. I'm enjoying the show, just curious why it changed.

Deemac

I'm thinking this scene was just a way of us being introduced to this other group which is also in Seattle - how they're in some sort of a cult, are somewhat primitive with melee weapons etc. When playing the game, we see little hints of them in Seattle as Ellie, murals of the prophet when exploring etc. - they don't have that luxury in the show as time is limited, so they have to show us some stuff which we'd otherwise find out gradually And maybe it's aiming to lure us into a false sense of security with them, which will then backfire when we see Ellie encounter them in that park in a couple episodes, and she's fighting for her life against them.

Mike D

I understand when a story is interpreted for a different medium and different writers and directors have a go at the source material, there will be changes. But Neil Druckman is creating this too.

Gerard Quinn

Starting to think Colin can’t see the forest for the trees with this show. Maybe too close to the source material? Wish someone on the panel would actually listen to the HBO companion podcast with Neil, Troy and Craig. They literally break down every change they made and why. Which are the answers it seems like Colin is looking for.

Joe B

If the changes were all making the story better, i would agree. But there not. They have zero way to make Tommy have the same drive for revenge as Ellie. Now the end is completely different. Dina will understand her drive to never stop until getting revenge and likely not leave when she returns and Tommy wont have the drive to guilt trip her and make her feel truly alone. They can tell the story different and Colin acknowledged that, but it doesnt mean were getting a better than the source adaptation.

Joe B

Dustin thinking Seth has a bad leg from Joel pushing him down is hysterical

Shaun Wilkinson

This show just keeps getting better. It’s amazing how much better season 2 is compared to season 1. I’m not listening to this podcast because it’s just too complainy for my taste. Peace!

Deemac

See I don't understand this viewpoint on Tommy at all, and haven't since I seen some bring it up last week. Tommy is Joel's brother - he doesn't need any further motivation for revenge, regardless of him being in the lodge or not. I know we've seen a softer and more balanced side to Tommy in the show thus far, but I think that will make a greater impact when we realize he's also gone to Seattle. We prob won't see it in the show (similar to the game), but I think he'll head off to Seattle also

Mark Davis

Sorry to hear about your dog, I hope she’s all better soon. Do you mind if I ask which pet insurance you use? I have Nationwide and I’m not happy with it.

Mark Davis

Yeah that's great. We have Nationwide and it hasn't been that great and I was considering a switch. I have a French bulldog and they can have many issues.

Aaron B Vick

I want to piggy back off of what you said about Tommy and I think they wrote it into the show to let the fans of the game know he will have his moment (fucking bye Manny!!) when he confront Ellie about BEING Joel's brother. I think a breaking point will happen where someone will flippantly discuss Joel compared to the rest of the town, and Tommy will break and Maria will be upset. Something to that ilk.

Misanthropic_Altruist

"...the delight of encountering these weird, whistling groups", made me think of a band of gay dudes hanging around the woods in assless chaps, hitting on men who wander into their territory. Lol!

Misanthropic_Altruist

This is such a powerful moment in the game. I'm sure it won't be omitted in the show, but instead used as an emotional gut punch at the right time.

Joe B

Tommy is also a dad and part of the impact of his decision in the game is he is so blinded by rage like Ellie that he is willing to race off after Abby even at the risk of his wife and child. Whether he follows abby now or not, its clear it wont be the same blind rage that is a core theme of the game

Alec Barcelos

I couldn’t even finish this episode. These changes are just so strange. Maybe I’ll pick it up again but the show has lost all steam for me

Lou Sassle

That image is on you.

Lou Sassle

Haven't started S2 yet but MAN that thumbnail makes Ellie and Dina look like freaking 12 year olds. Terrible casting.

YaBoyStevieJay

Once again, you people have 0 idea what a 12 year old looks like.

Lou Sassle

Ok you win. 14 year olds. Either way, and recognize that I’m only speaking on this thumbnail, they look young as heck.

YaBoyStevieJay

Colin straight up admitted he’s judging the show for NOT being what he wants it to be rather than judging it for what it actually is. This is a massive problem among all media discourse. People need to stop writing tv/movies as they watch them and then being pissed off for being incorrect. Just judge what is actually being given.

Chris

The thing that makes TLOU part 2 a masterpiece is the way the narrative leverages the strength of the medium. It’s the environmental storytelling, and most importantly it’s the ego melding that occurs between the player and the character you play as. Actions are justified, criticism feels more personal, and the player feels a more intense connection to the character. And, part of that is perspective, and specifically how it’s typically more limited. And so when it comes to TV and film, I think it’s very in the spirit of the technical aspects of the narrative to lean into the strengths of that medium: it’s the opportunity to cut to different groups, get different perspectives. I think the thing a TV adaptation was always going to struggle with is just the ability to generate an immensely visceral, emotional reaction to Joel’s death. At best, it could be a Ned Stark moment—impactful, crazy, but incapable of reaching those same heights. But this time you don’t have to be Ellie—you are watching her. I like seeing how they take advantage of TVs strengths to broaden the overall story—in that sense, changes don’t feel like they are overwriting the narrative, but it feels like expansion in ways a game can’t (just as the game does things the TV show can’t).

southish

They do seem much younger than usual in this thumbnail ill give him that