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Sacred Symbols, Episode 366 | And If Anything, Then There's Your Sign of the Times (Patreon)

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2025-07-04 16:00:24
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2026-06
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For the first time ever, PlayStation is publishing one of its own games on Xbox. The new port comes in the form of 2024's smash-hit multiplayer game Helldivers 2 from second party studio Arrowhead, and though Sony has a long-but-silent history of bringing games to other consoles -- there was a Wipeout game on N64, after all, and the likes of Death Stranding and MLB: The Show have already migrated to Xbox via intermediaries -- never before have they acted as publisher. Is this a one-off, or a move that could signify a new strategy? Will Xbox players conditioned to Game Pass put their money where their mouth is? Are single-player exclusives next? Then: Neil Druckmann announces he's done with The Last of Us on HBO, instead turning his full attention back to Naughty Dog, while it sure does sound like Sony-owned team Firesprite is openly hiring for a PlayStation 6 project. After some other news, we get into what we're playing before ending the show as we always do, with six questions, comments, concerns, thoughts, and ideas from our audience. What are our ruminations concerning Xbox's recent layoffs and cancellations? Will the PS5 era be looked back upon as a generation of wasted potential? How do we feel about the Stop Killing Games initiative in Europe? Are some listeners intentionally exposing their wives to Sacred Symbols in order to facilitate a divorce?Timestamps:0:00:00 - Intro

0:23:03 - Patreon numbers

0:29:17 - Benji

0:36:16 - Don't show your wife Sacred

0:43:47 - This week's situation

0:47:51 - Happy Birthday Nick

0:52:23 - Defending the PlayStation concert

0:59:28 - Helldivers 2 coming to Xbox

1:31:18 - Neil Druckmann is no longer working on TLOU on HBO

1:40:45 - PSSR update in 2026

1:54:12 - Firesprite is hiring

1:59:29 - Is College Basketball returning?

2:02:56 - Street Fighter movie casting

2:06:49 - What We’ve Been Playing (Death Stranding, Death Stranding 2, Peak)

2:45:15 - Xbox's unraveling

3:04:57 - Supporting layoffs

3:15:19 - Studios moving to cheaper cities

3:18:57 - What is going on this generation?

3:30:10 - Journalism as a path into marketing or development

3:33:38 - Stop Killing Games

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BamAHamYum

I’m Hispanic, but I was adopted into a white family, so I never cared for Fanta. Is this the true horror of colonization?

Joe B

I have zero doubt many listeners are exposing their wives to SS to facilitate a divorce.

Jacob Lesperance

Coke made Fanta to get around trade embargos during WW2. Fanta was huge in Germany and you can find old cans in museums now that we're advertised with German families. Ansnin some of those advertised had Nazi uniforms on. Just some fun Fanta trivia, lol.

Boots!

Under 4 hours? Is this the revolution our forefathers fought for...we might as well remain with the Crown.

TheWubbz

Next thing you’ll say is you enjoy empanadas with chicken

C

Not even three minutes in and the pronunciation of ‘fawnta’ nearly made me crash the car.

PairOfShuse

15 minutes in and Dustin is called a little boy, told to play catch with his dad, and compared to a cave man in intellect indirectly because he enjoys fireworks lol. When Dustin and Brad own Last Stand, will they maybe also start an ice cream company up like Ben and Jerry’s?

PairOfShuse

Count yourself lucky. Those old Fanta commercials were cancer

Vonoran

Please get Matty on the Death Stranding Director’s Cut spoiler cast. He just played the game for the first time.

Deemac

Followed up with Jagwire too. Crazy stuff to kick off the show

Shadi Haddad

Legitimately though, Colin has been one of the more consistent things in my entire life. Since his first Beyond episode when I was 16 in high school to now at 33 as a doctor, husband, and father of 4.

Anthony

As a dutch listener: jeez absolute pussy behaviour with the fireworks. Look up dutch new years eve for shits and giggles. Great show like always!

Cai

Let me contribute to two of the opening conversations here. Last year my dog died of a heart attack during Guy Fawkes Night (Firework night in the UK). That is all.

Cousin Kenny

Your local USPS may be up to something. When I used to run our eBay store I would dump insane volumes on my local branch at random. Never had a license or an account or anything. Sometimes I’d have 150 boxes & padded envelopes to drop off. Printed off the labels through eBay, and just dropped off boxes full of packages. Of 5 or 6 locations I dropped off at, I only ever had one branch give me flack, but it was over like 20 packages & it was a young dude who just seemed lazy.

Deemac

The guy writing in about the tattoo is completely right. Shouldn't have said it out loud of course, only making problems for yourself - but you're right!

Phil

What if Arrowhead, whilst shopping to publishers for their next game said to Sony 'We will give you our next game, if you publish everywhere *and* we want HD2 on Xbox'?

Breno Bezerra Bluhm

Slowly but surely it seems like PlayStation is going the Xbox way. First the Lego Horizon game on Switch and now Helldivers 2 on Xbox. Colin you should ungraduate from Nintendo cause they are the last bastion of console makers that still understands the importance of great exclusives.

TheWubbz

As far as the last of us stuff, I don’t give a shit about last of us and will never play either, a simple google search will show you season 2 had more viewership overall than season 1. I see a lot of folks pushing the lie that it was a failure

Aram

To be clear I wasn’t blaming Neil for the negativity around TLOU HBO. Thanks for taking my inquiry.

TheWubbz

If you are going to start developing a game in 2025 and you are expecting a 3-5 year dev cycle, I think it’s fair to assume it’ll be next gen at this point

PairOfShuse

Honestly, I feel like console life cycles should just be longer. I think it would help keep costs under control for a little while, let everyone get the PS5 technicalities under their belt more (which in turn, theoretically, would make developers more prepared for the next consoles), and allow for some studios that have squeezed all the “juice” out, focus on other paths like art direction and creativity for their games. I will obviously buy the next console day one, I think console generations just move too quickly even at 8 years or so. Dan for some reason always reminded me of making fun of Steven Seagal

Dante B

Colin - I was worried about the racing based trophies in Director’s Cut because of all the commentary around them. But they were nothing at all, super simple.

Adam Barnes

The way Chris pronounced Fanta has ruined my day. It’s 8:21am here. Cheers

Cruz Ibarra

Bro, every mexican house smells like fabuloso & Suavitel Fabric Softener. 🤣

Susan B. Anthony Bourdain

MSFT should be dragged in front of congress to answer why they’re applying for thousands of new H1B visas while laying off thousands of developers. Engineerings skills aren’t 100% portable, but these companies need a radical wake-up call before society decides we’re over it and flip the table. It’s in their own self interest to not FAFO on this.

Conor Rafter

Thank you for your kind words for Benji, Colin ❤️ And Chris, I loved the insinuation that Benji could be some little terrorist 😂

Walk Forward Cutscene

Amen. Unfortunately, both parties support the H-1B scam and want to expand it even more

Guybrush Threepwood

Helldivers 2 - If they did plan to do this all along, I think it would have made more money for EVERYONE, if they just said, "Ok, we're giving xbox this game on day 1 along with ps5. Because its amultiplater game, we want EVERYONE to jump in right now!" and that would have made a huge pop on xbox that would be way bigger than it will be now, and that synergy could also prob end up making hte game pop off harder on PS and PC also. This "lets wait 18 months" strategy is not it, for live service games. And then, you make anohter anouncement saying, "don't worry, ps fans, your single player sad dad games will not be coming to xbox." b/c i know how sensitve those fans are.

LR INT Kid Buu

I get to celebrate the 4th with the Sacred boys? Hell yea

LR INT Kid Buu

It’s a Hispanic thing lmfao, when I learned that shit was German I felt like my whole life was a lie. Thought it was Hispanic this whole time.

Jordan Falduto

does EVERY fuckin write in have to be the "i'll hang up and listen" getting more annoying than "been listening since the beyond days" cut the fucking trite fluff and get to the point

AllTooEasy_

Colin is Wally from Always Sunny confirmed.

Nick

The thing about some people maybe not having inner monologues is so fucking crazy. Seriously, how could that be possible? Indeed though, a lot about the world would make sense all of a sudden if it was true.

Xbox's Sloppy Seconds

that bouncing package going to Poland is mine but Micah sorted it out and that sucker is on it's way through Atlantic! Meanwhile I got my Habroxia copy and oh boy it's a pretty little thing. Congrats Team!

Deemac

This is the part I'm confused at with the Firesprite story, is it a brand new game they're starting to work on now (in which case it's of course a PS6 game) - or is it the unannounced project they've already been working at for a few years. Or are they doing 2 at the same time? Because there has been rumours of them working on a new horror type game, for a few years at least. And I recall Jason Schreier mentioning a while back that it wasn't cancelled or anything, and is still on track. So I'd just assumed that would be a game we'd see in the last few years of the PS5. So seems to me maybe this story refers to the start of a new project they're working on at the same time, or maybe it's just very poorly worded job listing. Or maybe it's the same thing they've been working on for years, and development is just going longer than expected.

Baden Ronie

So Helldivers 2 launches on Xbox on the same day as Gears of War roadie runs onto PS5. Almost sounds like a swap deal xD

Ryan

Chris falling the apple visualization test in real time was great lmao

Ryan

After reading someone say how 95% of write ins are people trying to “write well” to impress Colin or something you can never unhear it lmao Wish people just talked like humans.

Michael Thew

I agree with Chris partially with the lay offs. Firstly, I do agree that management should be held accountable, but part of that accountability is hiring all these bums from 2019-2023, more bodies doesn’t alway mean success. Most of the time they just get in the way or your redoing their fuck ups. So at the core of that, yes, management should be canned because why would you think it would be different next time. But I differ on the second part. These workers shouldn’t have ever been in game development to start with. I think games can have whatever content in them as they want, if it’s not for me I don’t have to play it. But taking 6 years and not even having a product? Unacceptable, that shows me that people are, A, incompetents, B, lazy, C, worrying about everything besides the job or D, all of the above. The work ethic in this country in general kinda sucks. I’m pretty lucky, I work in a machine shop and at least on the floor, the people under you will take criticism as a learning experience and they can take and say a joke. I do got a front office full of children that act like they are 5 though.. layoffs happen, businesses go through times of growth and stagnation and so does that workforce in that business. These friends that Chris is wringing his hands for got to live their dream for at least awhile, I know it’s tough to start over especially in a new field. I was a printer from late 2000 until 2006, then I worked and went to school and became a journeyman machinist and have done that since. But hey, that is one man’s experience of seeing different personalities for 25 years.

Michael Thew

Don’t they have a commercial where they said the name?

The Comedian

Does he say Santa Claus the same way?

Big titty drinker

What is the point of putting helldivers 2 on Xbox and not in gamepass? Everyone knows the Xbox consoles are for broke boys who can’t afford to pay for anything 😂 ain’t nobody gonna buy it there , shit won’t even sell 500k. The Xbox fans are all talk , they don’t wanna pay for shit that’s why their platform is dying. But in all seriousness if your gonna put your live service stuff everywhere (which I agree with) you should have done it at the launch of the game.

Big titty drinker

In the case of helldivers 2 not being as valuable as an exclusive eroding the value of the platform I think it does . Only problem is Xbox is such a lifeless competitor at this point it doesn’t even matter. They literally have Microsoft’s balls clipped off and mounted on the wall as a display piece.

Benji_B2sick

I love when Dustin explains graphics shit to me.

Benji_B2sick

I’m totally with Chris on the ps6 shit

Alex

We need to start a running tally of every time Dustin mentions he has a 4090 😂 (all love)

C

Colin I am seriously concerned that your experience with DS2 is going to be hampered by impending burnout. Please, please take a break and play something else even just for a week!

Az

I totally agree - he’s a psychopath for doing a 100% run on DS1 before jumping straight into DS2 — I fear he’s not going to like DS2 for this reason

Az

DS2 is the likely to be the best game Kojima has released in the last 10 years, but I know it clearly wouldn’t exist without MGSV. Damn I love these games, it’s like the perfect love letter to the open world genre.

Eisley

That’s what I just did and I’m in love with ds2. Some of us are just built different

C

Really?! Did you not get burnt out at all?

Michael Thew

I want to say it’s an opt in program for the publisher, but the whole MLB the show being on it kinda defeats my arguement

Robbie Agnew

More Xbox talk is appreciated. Good insight.

Jet Jaguar

Lmao Chris can’t rotate shapes

PairOfShuse

One last comment - we don’t see the layoffs like this in eastern developers. Korean and Japanese developers are giving bonuses, raises, vacations, and gifts to their developers. It’s not just greed causing this to happen. It’s ideology as well, whether it’s from the companies, the heads of the studios, or the developers, putting extremist ideology into every facet of their games, turning off large swaths of gamers.

MethHaven

When are we getting the follow up to episode 460 of SS+ the summer games fest bets?

Mama Micah

Yeah I have been scolded for dropping off "too many" packages so we just stick to 50. They still complain sometimes but they don't try to stop me. Also, if a batch of packages were to have an issue (which has happened before at the local post offices) we'd rather it be limited to a batch of 50 than 100s of units at a time. It's also just a steady pace for me to work through while still doing the other job tasks I have as coordinator and co-host. :) -Micah

Tristan Kimball

The problem with the inquiries about people playing the show around their wives is that this shit is so funny i can’t help but tell me girlfriend to listen to this. She has been a victim to listening to the show on long car rides in the past but we are still together luckily. Those 2 back to back write ins had me fucking dying

Matt Wiles

As an Ops Manager who loves WFH, I can tell you fully remote doesn’t work as well as hybrid for teams working on projects. Yes you can achieve good things fully remote, but nothing beats F2F collaboration. Nothing.

Layth Al-Nadi

I did a replay of DS directors cut right before 2, albeit I didn’t 100% it cause I platinumed the original. But I got close to doing it again lol. Just my personal perspective, I have not experienced any burnout. I definitely have in the past with similar marathons I’ve done but this game is so exciting and different enough in the right ways that it worked so well. DS fever!!!

Joshua Whitehurst

Colin has said he cleans up the write ins that’s why they sound like him

Nicholai

Really depends on the industry. For games, face to face makes a lot of sense. There are cross-discipline teams working together on a common goal. Personally I'm a software engineer for a non creative project and it's mine bogglingly stupid they are making us come into office and hop on Microsoft team calls.

Matt Wiles

Yeah I’m only really talking about creative projects. It’s the only point I disagree with Colin on, in the whole MS debate. For your kind of thing I agree, there’s no need to. However, there is another point at stake; people are slacking off at home. You and I may not, but many do. They’ve got complacent and used to it now. During Covid and after it was a novelty, so they appreciated it and worked hard. Now it’s the norm, people do slack off. Shame because it’s ruining it for others.

Kojima Made Me Gay

I haven’t built a single road yet. Thanks for the roads, Dustin.

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

If this was true, they wouldn't have done this. They also wouldn't have whined and complained to everyone who would listen about the ABK acquisition.

Big titty drinker

That’s years ago now. Xbox as a brand is literally bleeding out on the ground at this point as a brand and no longer a threat to PlayStation.

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

This is a good insight. The overhiring was a major problem. These companies have also let a certain type of employee take over, injecting messages and not focusing on the actual gameplay. There clearly has been a shift in focus and that hen is coming home to roost. Whose fault is it? Leadership ultimately. Studio heads? Definitely them too. Line managers? Yup, probably them too. I do wonder how much of these were truly avoidable though. It's clear the macroeconomic factors are at play as well. It would be one thing if it was just Microsoft laying off workers, but that's not the case. Almost ever major player has laid off considerable amounts of their workforce, Sony 8 percent of it's PlayStation workforce in 2024. The industry seems like it's going through a major overhaul and are dealing with a reckoning from poor leadership direction from the past (ideological focused narratives, GAAS push, changing game directions multiple times, etc). Anyways, just my thoughts

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

TLOU season 2 underperformed because TLOU2 was a step down in narrative and character development quality. This was the way it was always going to be. People I work with who don't play games did not like this season at all. All for the same reasons the players didn't.

Notorious Meat Leaker

My son is currently infected with the Italian Brainrot pandemic. I know far more about Chimpanzini Bananini, Brr Brr Patapim and Cappucino Assassino than any grown man should.

Bailey Callis

Damn Dustin had enough of Colin's shenanigans 🤣

Bailey Callis

Precisely why I didn't do a replay prior. Still remember most of it anyhow

Bailey Callis

It's a bit of fun, not a big deal at all

Draven E.

Dustin: Im full grown man! Me:Full grown are strong words bruh….

NeO JD

S2 of the show had nothing on the game. You don’t get shit like I’m going to be a Dad. How Neil let it get that bad is beyond me.

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

I agree some of the changes the show made were cringe, but the game product it's based on was also extremely rote and overdone. Oh yeah, the casting on season 2 was awful. I liked Abby's character to play Ellie and they needed an actual imposing figure to play the badass from the Wolves

Kevin Cooper

I'm 20+ hours into DS2 and I don't find the combat encounters any different at all (other than being more frequent). Still my least favourite part of an otherwise fantastic game...

Michael Thew

We are a country of good enough, not the best we can be anymore.

Johnny Ronnie

Colin, as someone who hates racing sections in games. The death stranding directors cut races are pretty manageable for the platinum. Probably took me an hour to beat them.

Kladknee .

I love you fucking guys so dang much