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AMA | the AI art video (Patreon)

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2025-06-30 14:18:57
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Comment below your questions about the AI art video and we’ll answer them in the aftershow!

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what is the future of art?

Get Airalo today, and use my code ANSWER3 for $3 USD OFF your data plan: https://try.airalo.com/AnswerinProgress @airalocom #eSIM #airalo In a world where generative AI and large language models (LLMs) can draw, write, and think, what is there left for us humans to do? In this video, Sabrina grapples with the role AI plays in her life; she interviews an art appraiser to figure out how the art market really works, speaks with a museum curator to understand why certain paintings make it onto walls, and talks with two artists on opposite ends of the debate. Okay, I'm going to stop speaking in the third person to say that I hope you like this video. I'm sorry in was 36 minutes of me realizing I still don't know how I really feel. SUPPORT US ON PATREON https://patreon.com/answerinprogress SUBSCRIBE TO OUR MONTHLY NEWSLETTER https://www.answerinprogress.com/newsletter SOCIAL MEDIA Sabrina Twitter: https://twitter.com/nerdyandquirky Instagram: http://instagram.com/nerdyandquirky Melissa Twitter: https://twitter.com/mehlizfern Instagram: http://instagram.com/mehlizfern Taha Twitter: https://twitter.com/khanstopme Instagram: http://instagram.com/khanstopme CREDITS Producer: Sabrina Cruz Video Editing: Joe Trickey Motion Design: Sabrina Cruz Production Coordinator: Ria Kapoor Camera Operators: Melissa Fernandes, Ria Kapoor Special Thanks to: Jessica Jackson https://www.instagram.com/jessicarossjackson.ai Adam Welch Rob Cowley Sam Yang https://www.youtube.com/samdoesarts https://www.instagram.com/samdoesarts Wendy So Andrea-Jo Wilson Amanda Rach Lee MUSIC Epidemic Sound. Get started today using our affiliate link. http://share.epidemicsound.com/answerinprogress RECOMMENDED READING If you're in Toronto, be sure to check out Moments in Modernism at the Art Gallery of Ontario (exhibition on until March 2026). TIMESTAMPS 00:00 mediocre woman has existential crisis 01:18 paying the bills - thanks airalo! 02:20 setting the bar low 03:30 the game plan 03:51 modern art - a paradox of value 04:41 the normies try to spot the fake 07:27 the expert tries to spot the fake 08:35 how do art experts value art 10:42 how do we value art 11:46 but is it tax evasion 12:11 this is not tax advice 13:10 sidequest - are experts just scamming us 13:34 tldr - no 15:37 wait modern art is actually awesome 17:00 video actually starts at this timestamp lol 17:24 you will never convince me that prompt engineering is a skill 18:34 i can't stress how conservative an estimate 15 billion is 18:42 RENT is the real work of art i should've analyzed 18:51 to understand AI art, we need to understand AI (derogatory) 19:38 the environmental harm of AI 20:43 how AI generates an image 21:23 i didn't say it was an original image, did i? 22:22 the real tax evasion was this shot to expense my lunch 22:27 can we fix AI plagiarism? 22:44 yes but that doesn't solve the problem 23:25 FOR LEGAL PURPOSES THAT IS A HAIRCUT NOT MOUSE EARS. 23:40 AI generated layoffs 23:45 video actually actually starts at this timestamp lol 24:59 bias reveal uwu 26:10 a personal look at the AI art debate 31:51 is it a revelation or is it cope 32:43 what is the point of art? 34:33 what is the future of art? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to the joke under the fold! Here's a corny one that I think we all need after this existential crisis of a video. What do you call Earth without art? Eh. Leave a comment with the word ART to let me know you were here ;-)

Comments

Alexanderhyperbeam

Do you think there is a concern with the use of AI for art and media in the sense that it degrades the quality of the industry over time due to scale? Like when it becomes too easy for content mills to produce slop in high quantities it drowns out legitimate good art similar to how often times low quality products will outsell genuine good products due to ease of access and availability?

Lyndsey L. Werner

I really loved your journey at the beginning! It was a great way to showcase how context has power in art history! Did you have a favorite piece at the museum? Or have you discovered a new artist that you really enjoy now? A really good overview and helpful understanding differences on value! I hope we get to see Melissa and Taha’s full reaction soon! While I enjoyed Jessica’s perspective and your context, I’m still pretty against AI Generated Art myself. But also… I feel like it’s a different kind of tool for you than the way I see it? But maybe that’s not me understanding how it obtains coding for its models. See, I’m a fanfic author… my work has almost certainly been fed into AI models, despite steps I’ve taken to try to prevent that. Unlike Sam, who has a very real bottom line that can be affected by AI Generated Artwork ripping him off, I will never see a dime from my fanfic… But the AI models that are trained on my fanfiction will. Every time someone types in “Write an Avatar the Last Airbender platonic soulmate fanfic.” I can almost guarantee that model is pulling from my work, which I have provided for free and could not monetize, even if I wanted to. But they are getting those subscription fees from people who want to get new content. And I take issue with my work being used for that. That said, did you hear about the legal case with the comic book that was written by a human but used AI art? The artists had to use Zendaya’s image (I suspect it was as a way to keep a consistent character design). It’s a really interesting look into copyright law’s interaction with AI Generated Artwork (I believe that they found that the writing and layout were copy written but the art could not be as it was created by something that isn’t human, the same ruling as the Monkey took a picture photograph, but that might have been overturned since I last looked into it). I will look for the specific information for you later if you are interested. But yeah… It’s not just the undercutting of the workforce, like I said, I get nothing for my writing except comments, there’s something really unpleasant about knowing you are being plagiarized and even worse knowing that someone is making money off the work that you aren’t making money off of.

Rob Langley

Is the GenAI debate the biggest in the seemingly unending push towards automation for profit / convenience / providing tools for those without the skills to do it themselves or is there something even bigger coming down the line?

V

This video was honestly hard for me to watch because the thought of AI art fills me with anger and sadness, but I did my best to put aside my bias and consider other viewpoints. Even if I put aside two of my main qualms with AI art (the extremely harmful environmental impact—genuinely don’t understand how this one doesn’t stop more people—and the fact that it’s built on plagiarism by nature of scraping the internet for training data), I still find myself questioning why people do it. Jessica expresses that she feels more comfort expressing herself with words, so why does she not do that? As someone who does writing as a hobby, I think that writing is also a beautiful form of art (that is also being negatively impacted by AI, quite honestly.) No one is born being good at a thing; I don’t think art is something that SHOULD be easy. I complain about how difficult writing is, but I continue to do it because I still find joy in it; I find joy in the process in spite of it not being easy, perhaps BECAUSE it isn’t easy. I am more proud of the final product when I know that I struggled to finish it and yet persevered anyway. I don’t think the value of AI art is necessarily zero—I recognize that some (though not all) people who engage in it may put heart into their work—but I still feel that this has inherently less merit than someone who has put their heart as well as more time and real physical effort into their art. However, I think that regardless of this value, anyone who values art at all is in danger of being exploited by corporations who care more about profits than people. I’m not saying that AI art is incapable of being good (though I personally am really not a fan), but looking at the objective fact, does the harm not outweigh the good by far? I think my biggest fear is that a large percent of people, especially those in higher positions, don’t really care about the real people whose art is being exploited and will use cheap AI images in favor of paying a real artist to do it. This saddens me immensely. I can give artists like Jessica the benefit of the doubt that they mean well, but I do think that any use of AI art or even complacency with it just tells large corporations that it’s okay to replace real humans with cheap AI slop. The people in power do not care for the nuanced difference between AI art that has good intentions and AI art produced by the slop machine; they care only for profit and thus real artists will suffer. I cannot be okay with that in any capacity. (Also, you can pry the em dash from my cold, dead hands. It’s only common in AI writing because it was stolen from real human writing. Each em dash that I use incorrectly comes straight from my heart and I am not giving it up.)

Sabrina Cavender

I really, really loved this video by the end. Especially in how the comparison of when photography was up and coming... That art is allowed to truly give depth and that won't change. With that- do you think art history will become a more prevalent class pushed in education for the future?

Christopher Agostino

really appreciated this video and all that you touched on here, showing both sides of how artists are feeling about AI art. as a fiction writer i often find other writers either wishing to totally reject anything which used AI at all or others just using AI to write whole stories with minimal to no oversight, with little in between. i use it a lot to help me break through writer's block and to just get random ideas to tweak with, and have even gone so far as to develop and fine-tune my own LLMs for this purpose : https://huggingface.co/npc-worldwide/TinyTim (fine-tuned on James Joyce's Finnegan's Wake to produce the most utterly insane content you can imagine). It was nice to see you wrestling as well with the actual issues wrt energy consumption and what the individual can really do in such situations. is it tenable for the average person to ignore and not use it when their competitors are using it to gain an edge on them? i think not and I very much agree with your ultimate take here. if your enemy starts fighting you with guns, are you going to continue showing up with swords to be decimated? no you will also go buy guns. it is an unfortunate consequence of the AI arms race that we find ourselves in this dilemma, and more blame should be thrown on openai for encouraging this by going closed with their models. but we can never go back and we will have to try to find ways to use these models sustainably and safely. i myself work on trying to make it easier for folks to use and build agent systems (https://github.com/npc-worldwide/npcpy) that make use of small local models that can run on your existing computer so you can keep your data private and not feel as much like your boiling the ocean every time you say "thank you" to the AI models. the main question i have for you though is this: assuming the AI systems can be built and managed sustainably, what is one interface or application that would check all your boxes as a creator yourself? for me, i have always loved reading manga and want to be able to tell stories through manga but i can't draw for shit so i would love to have a system for making in-panel drawings using character references and previous panels.

UmbreonLibris

How long before we get the Butlerian Jihad? (God I hope someone knows Dune) More seriously: What changed between the previous version of this video and now? I wasn't able to watch the old one. I wish I could say that generative AI is a tool and, as such, it is morally neutral; it's what people use the tool for that really matters. Just because a hammer can be used as a weapon, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have hammers. But in the case of AI, the tool isn't morally neutral. It worsens our environmental crisis and externalizes those effects to vulnerable communities. It degrades the value of human artwork not only by displacing demand but by directly copying their work. There are not many circumstances where my need for the help of an AI can outweigh all of that.

Igor Matkowski

How long after posting the AMA do you record the aftershow? and what AMA mean?

Lyndsey L. Werner

Okay, the comic book is called Zarya of the Dawn by Kris Kashtanova. The copyright for the images WAS revoked in 2023. Do you think that this ruling would curtail cooperations from using AI art whole cloth? Because there’s now a ruling on the books that says that AI Art can’t be copywritten so they would create an IP that is automatically in the public domain? I recommend looking into this particular case for AI Art work and writing. I think you’ll find it another interesting element at play in the AI debate! (I’m still very discouraged by Generative AI. Which I do still feel like is different than an AI centering a shot or doing data analysis. What can I say? It feels like two different things to me. I even, reluctantly, understand an indie writer who can’t find an artist… but there is just too much abuse by the developers, too much environmental damage, too much potential for damage by cooperate users… I’m going to be pretty strongly against Generative AI until there’s some strict safe guards in place… and I am still bummed that my own work has probably been used to train the things.)

Simon Law

AMA stands for Ask Me Anything.

Simon Law

What kind of societal transformations do you think AI-generated art will trigger? For instance, do you think that marketers will try bespoke AI-generated advertising that is individually targetted?

Lyndsey L. Werner

Do you think that if we called Generative AI something else that differentiated it from Analytical AI it would be a less controversial subject? (I feel like AI is grouped together in a way that is detrimental to AI as a tool and good for AI as something that generates art and writing. And they feel different to me.)

Anaxyrus

I'd be curious to hear about your creative process and how you decided to take the first video down and rework it after already putting so much work into it! That can't have been an easy decision.

Juan

Loved the video and I appreciate how hard it must've been to both make and post. Congrats on tackling difficult issues with some nuance. Now, my question is regarding the interviews, sometimes videos take a long time to make and an interview that was made weeks or months ago might feel stale or not relevant, does that ever happen to you? Do you keep those interviews or what do you do with them?

Lyndsey L. Werner

(Anyone else see the LegalEagle breakdown of Disney filing against one of the Generative AI companies?)

Some Ed

It specifically displaces the demand for people entering the field, so that when it's time to replace the people in the field, there's nobody to replace them with.