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Sydney just has an inquisitive nature, is all. And she often thinks of obvious questions that no one has bothered asking, because they're obvious, but sometimes  thinks of advanced questions that no one has yet considered, but when she does that, it's even odds that she's skipping over intermediary understanding. 

Sydney's rough estimate of the station being "10 miles" from the "surface" of the star stem from her never having been 100,000 kilometers away from an object 12 million kilometers in diameter. The star "looked big" to her. Honestly, the scale of things in space would probably be very difficult to estimate to the untrained eyes. Heck, being in an environment without atmospheric haze would mess people up, and would also make for razor sharp shadows and the surface of that huge moon you're standing on look like a bad special effect. 

I've tried to picture what standing at the base of Olympus Mons would look like. Unlike most mountains on Earth, OM isn't surrounded by other mountains. There's no real "base" to Everest, just other mountain peaks smashed up against it. But OM more or less pops out of an endless plain, so you could stand at the base and look up to the top, which is ~3x as high as Everest. The other trick to visualizing it is to remember that Mars has a much thinner atmosphere than Earth, and no moisture, so there wouldn't be any obscuring clouds, and atmospheric has would be vastly reduced. The other other trick, though, is to remember that OM has roughly the same footprint as Texas. You can't stand at one end of Texas and see the middle, even assuming no atmospheric perspective, because the Earth curves away from you. The slope of OM does exceed the curvature of Mars's surface, so while I think you could see the peak while standing at the base, I don't think it would look as high as you might guess? I don't know, and I'm pretty sure no one has ever taken a photograph from the base, and I also don't think anyone has made an accurate 3D model of what it might look like. 

Imagine a planet the size of Jupiter, only it's a rocky world that a human could stand on without being crushed somehow. I don't know, maybe it's hollow. The Red Spot on Jupiter is larger than the Earth. If humanity had evolved on a planet like that, it's conceivable that civilization wouldn't have migrated, what, 4 or 5 times past that Red Spot size up until we invented airplanes, and that's assuming somewhat favorable environments to explore, and that the Red Spot "Eden Zone" we evolved in wasn't surrounded by 10,000 miles of desert on every side. It's a scale that's honestly really difficult to imagine. I think most people don't even appreciate how large the Earth is. 

Anyway, things in space are big and usually far away until you hop in a ship and then they're not far away, and then people would be like, "I can't tell how big that is. It could be a moon, it could be a space station. I need some sensor readings or at least one banana for scale."

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Forecaster

It would leave anyone with a very *very* thorough tan, fire resistance or not.

Steve Ronuken

That comment could apply to Dabbler too...

Martin Drkoš

Sidney: "Would a stake trough the heart kill you?" Vamp lady: "Just as much as it would kill you."

Nicholas Cordero

NGL, I love how she's not even upset about Sydney question once it's actually said, it's just like "Oh, she's just curious, a little annoying but adorable"

William Elliott

just wait till she runs into a Niven level Ringworld... [Makes your Jupiter example look tiny] Imagine a ring of material, just slightly wider than the star's diameter. The rings radius puts it right in the middle of the Goldilocks zone of the start [say about 1 AU for a star like Sol]. The ring IS the orbit. Now spin it up so that the internal surface has approximately 1 G of "artificial gravity" [yes you need some handwavium material to handle the stresses]. Now throw a few miles of dirt on the inside of the ring so you have various land types. Then add huge lakes [big enough to have 1:1 scale polar projection maps of planets like Earth in it like islands in the Pacific] with silt sumps that pump the inevitable erosion into pipes that poop it out at the top of the 1000 mile high walls at the edges that keep the air in. Oh and its got a secondary ring closer to the start held together with monomolecular cables of "shadow squares" to simulate a day/night cycle [also spun up so its "orbiting" but at a different rate]. And as a control system, the builders put a superconductor web in the floor of the ring to control the star's magnetic field and solar wind fueled ram jets on the rim of the ring for reaction control because as the MIT students pointed out to Mr. Niven, the ring is unstable... I could go on. I think you get the point TLDR: Niven Ringworld = Slice of a Dyson Sphere with a day night ring

Aclys

Wait a minute... so the light of any star counts as sunlight in this setting? Is there a size requirement, a proximity requirement before starlight becomes 'sunlight' and lethal to vampires? This feels like a very important question since, well, depending on the answer, space vamps basically need to do the Quarian thing and walk around in fully sealed environmental suits all the time lest they catch a flash of starlight through some window in a ship or station and get flash-fried.

Graeme Thorburn

"Space is Big. Really Big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it really is."

Edward Justice

I love how Sydney's personality come through that disguise.

Derek Leader

For thinking about Olympus Mons, could you start with Hawaii from the bottom of the ocean, take away everything that wouldn't be on Mars and then increase 250%?

Matthew Thompson

Being able to walk around at night implies that starlight is not an issue. I’d assume it’s just the local star, or possibly a light threshold that is above what you find indoors 🤷🏻‍♂️

Gelatinous Cube

"I am NOW!" Yeah, sums up my attitude this week.

Czarzhan

About the shadows being razor-sharp, it's not really the atmosphere that makes shadow edges fuzzy. It is the fact that the sun is close enough that it isn't a pinpoint in the sky. If we were in the habitable zone of, say, a blue supergiant, however...

Mark Magagna

It's tricky, the horizon on Mars is closer than on Earth. I haven't done the math myself (these numbers are AI-generated...), but I *think* the peak would be below the horizon if you're at the base. It has a 600 km diameter and a 22km height. Horizon on Mars is 3.2km for an average person looking out over a flat plain. I don't think that 22km height makes up for the 300km distance. On Earth someone at that height has a horizon of about 530 kilometers, but Mars is about half Earth's diameter. So naively I would expect the horizon to also be about half, i.e. 265 kilometers. So the peak probably ends up being slightly below. It would depend on where exactly you count as 'the base' since Mons Olympus isn't even close to perfectly circular.

Mark Magagna

"How ever did you suss that out?"

09Klr650

"The poison is in the dose". Otherwise . . . moonlight is an issue as well.

Mark Magagna

Yes the rules are important, and are almost never spelled out. Though the comic does make an important point: non-vampires also have a lot of things to be wary about in space.

Mark Magagna

Yes, pretty much all the Ringworld natives they met in the books thought of their world as flat, with an arch over it. Which basically it is, unless you're a space-faring species. And becoming space-faring again if you lost the capability would be impossible on your own. - There's no way to orbit the ring, it's moving far faster than that - There's nothing else in the system, everything becomes part of the ring - Anything you manage to get up there looks dangerous to the anti-meteor defenses and gets zapped

Town Crier

I'm pretty sure that, without technical assistance (other than protecting one's vision), that the view of a sun is pretty much the same from 100,000 kilometers as it is from 10 miles. SOOOO BIIIIG!!!

Town Crier

Sydney may have found herself a new handler, or a new bestie, or both. Cuz you know Max would be Sydney's bestie if there wasn't all that rank and responsibility on Max.

Thisguy

This implies that these people know enough about Sydney's personality to spot her, even in disguise.

Thisguy

I find it interesting that they even KNOW Sydney's personality. They've skipped over the "Earth has a Nth tech user, they must be really smart and serious" trope.

Stephen Gilberg

Recently, I found that many people have discussed a hypothetical fight between Vader and Dracula, without consensus on who would win. It occurred to me that depending on the circumstances, Vader could lure Dracula into a part of the Death Star that faces the nearest star. That got me wondering how close a star has to be before it affects a vampire.

Magraal

Most people don't even know what a googol is anymore despite google (which is named after the term) being one of the most common words in the modern world. Trying to explain galactic scale to your average modern terran is likely to be a pointless exercise.

Steve Brinich

Reminds me of the scene in Galytn (p1084) where she met Carrier: "No, I like 'Flotilla' better." "...well, now I do, too."

Steve Brinich

The distance to the horizon is proportional to the square root of height (it gets a bit more complicated if height is a significant percentage of the planet's radius, but that isn't an issue here). The full formula for a planet with radius R at height h is sqrt( 2Rh + h^2 ), which comes out to about 387km for 22km above the surface of Mars.

Steve Brinich

I'm guessing that they have the sense to do their research about anything that significant (which explains why Lapha's group is locked up or embarking upon a boxed-crook career and they aren't).

Steve Brinich

I suspect that part of that is that a googol (10^100) is actually too big to be useful for even cosmic-scale measurements. For instance, the number of Planck lengths in the diameter of the observable universe is about 5*10^61, which is thirty-eight and a half orders of magnitude smaller than a googol.

Teksura

Sydney's secret super power is the "Aura of Stupidity" she radiates which causes otherwise serious people to just sort of roll with whatever ridiculous thing she's talking about. The real danger is this can infect people over time and cause them to generally become less and less serious, which we can actually kind of see with how her presence on the team has caused other members to start being a bit more lightheaded. For a military operation, there is very little discipline, and I blame Sydney. And also kind of Max because it's her responsibility to enforce that discipline.

Sir Butcher

They are Cora's crew/allies, and Sydney made a LASTING impression on everybody on the ship. So more than likely they heard about her sheningans.

Richard Penner

That would largely depend if the anti-vampire component of sunlight was a segment of the physical spectrum or some particular mystical property like having millions of man-years of veneration or intrinsic holiness. So the safest stars for vampires are red dwarfs with no history of sentient-bearing planets which have been specially defiled by internet campaigns suggesting that this particular star WOULD indeed shine THERE.

Sir Butcher

On the other hand, this branch while military, can't really operate as a "regular" military. There are multiple members who are there for either the paycheck or for funsies - but most of them could get significantly fatter paycheck anywhere else, so you can't just use the "you have no choice but with us" mentality many millitaries uses. Nor the shiny gadget the millitary offers, as multiple supers own' powers leagues above what millitary has to offer. So enforcing strict discipline for them would mean most of the squad would leave in a heartbeat.

Hugh Eckert

"You summoned her." ROFLAMO! Also her reaction to the vampire's point.

Hugh Eckert

"I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

Autoskip

Weirdly, 38½ orders of magnitude smaller than a googol would be approximately 3.16×10^61 - 5×10^61 is actually closer to being 38⅓ orders of magnitude smaller.

Ian Brown

I always get a chuckle out of anyone mentioning Olympus Mons, because those conversations are so incredibly specific it almost hurts! My favorite graphic about it is this one (https://i.sstatic.net/7nohX.jpg) specifically where it mentions that if you stood at the peak, the slope would extend out so far that it exceeds the horizon-line s that you can't see the base from the top. When talking about distances at a Solar scale, visual and mindviews just stop making sense, never mind Galactic or Universal!

Rob Wright

Space Engine is very good for this. All the planets are accurately mapped so you can stand at the foot of OM and look at the summit

Eric Loken

So is it less that vampires have a vulnerability to sunlight (UV in some interpretations) that regular humans don't, and more that they are just far more vulnerable than regular humans? Or a magnified effect perhaps? Historically the sunlight thing is a recent addition to the myth, first occurring as a fatal weakness in Nosferatu (1922). During the day vampires were traditionally human, thus no stronger than regular people, only becoming the powerful vampire at night. So Dracula was weaker and perhaps more vulnerable during the day, but sunlight wouldn't harm him any more than any other person.

eddi_TBH

Sydney just can't help Sydneying all over the place.

eddi_TBH

She may have been featured in the film clips of Max as well.

eddi_TBH

When one hears some Sydney stories, that trope falls flat.

Aaron Mauthe

At this point “disguise” is being extremely generous

Steve Brinich

She was at the gun range and missed that incident.

William Elliott

unless you drop something over the side... or through a hole in the surface...

eddi_TBH

Max is more her frequently exasperated older sister than her commander.

eddi_TBH

Boring through scrith is in the impossible range. One meteor got past the defenses and the material stretched for miles before it punched through. Somewhere on the far side of the ring there is probably a horking deep hole that may be the weak point in the ring.

William Elliott

correct on the first point, wrong on the hole on the other side. The reason Fist Of God Mountain exists is because it came up from behind the ring, where the meteor defense couldn't intercept it. Once it punched through [above the atmosphere] if there was anything left, the meteor defense would have engaged. I was talking more like an engineered spaceport in the ring [like purposefully built tower with a hole in it], however the engineers for the Niven Ringworld had spaceport ledges built into the rim walls.