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I'm sure no one was surprised that Max wasn't for real murdered by this attack. But for the record, without ManaVore, Final Blade would have actually been able to pierce her armor, because of the crazy amount of magic behind the attack. It wouldn't have killed her outright, but it would have hurt. 

I read/listen to a lot of LitRPGs, and so many of them have abilities like "This Skill can block any single attack, but has a five minute cooldown." or "Activating this Skill makes you undetectable for 3 minutes, or until you interact with an object." The problem with a skill description with an absolute in it is either there's some fine text The System isn't telling you about, or those skills are wildly exploitable. I mean, really, ANY attack? You could block the Chaos Titan Gamemaster's Reality Schism?  Zeus's lightning bolt? The Death Star's main weapon? A stinging comment? Which is a sort of social attack, but still an attack!

I'm not suggesting using The System should require fine text or a 38 page user agreement or that the most common class should be "Lawyer" because everyone has to initial in triplicate every time they acquire a new skill and store a copy at The System Hall of Records. Just a little clearer wording would be immensely useful, like "This Skill can block any single attack up to three tiers higher than itself. Has a five minute cooldown." Something like that. 

Now, with all that said, "Final Blade" was genuinely supposed to be an unstoppable attack, because it was a skill Ryzyl got way back when he was Bronze Tier, and now he's S-Tier... or uh, I guess he's be Platinum tier if the lowest tier was a metal. The skill is also a Platinum Tier attack and is the sort of thing you'd use, pretty much exclusively, on other Platinum Tier adventurers, demi-gods, Armageddon level monsters, that sort of thing. 

Originally, I'd planned on Max catching the blade, (because she's ridiculously fast) but it would keep inching toward her sternum no matter how much strength she put against it, while Ryzyl explained how the attack is unstoppable. In that scenario, Max would have flown into space, dragging Ryzyl along, and wait for him to expire in the hard vacuum. While kind of a cool solution, it didn't really make sense, since the boundary of the arena is only 5 KM up, and it would take Ryzyl longer than the allowed 30 seconds to expire, since he's a high-level adventurer, and not a 3rd level Rogue rolling D6/level for his hit points. 

The only goofy thing about this result is that ManaVore doesn't have a fuller, which is the indent that runs down the center of some blades, usually from the cross-guard to halfway or 3/4 of the way up the blade. Supposedly it "reduces its weight and improves balance, handling, and flexibility." You can see one on Ryzyl's dagger in panel 6, though I'm not sure how helpful it would be on a ten inch blade. What that means for Ryzyl is that his knife is just pressed against the flat of Max's sword, and it seems like just a tiny readjustment of the angle or a little twist of the blade could cause it to skid off into her back. But I guess that's not how Final Blade works. Once activate, it's just straight in to the heart. (Final Blade has no effect on creatures without hearts.) <- See how easy that is, The System?

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3of4

As they....if you are not cheating you are not trying hard enough.

Michael Obert

Dude, one does not monologue about one's ultimate attack. It's just gauche.

Torabi

I, for one, am perfectly satisfied with this outcome. I laughed out loud. Hopefully the complainers will be satisfied with the information that the attack would have actually pierced her defenses, even if she had blocked with anything less than ManaVore.

Magraal

I feel the need to point out that Max owes Dabbler and/or Cora (whoever is the actual owner of the sword she's using) a HUGE thank you for not dying here. Even though they obviously want to equip Max with their best gear in order to win the enormous amounts of money on offer, if it wasn't that *specific* sword she would not have come out of that fight unharmed.

He Who Must Drink Some Coffee

Yep, that is indeed what a fuller is for. It can also make a stronger blade, which seems counterintuitive considering it's removing steel (or whatever, adamantine I guess?) from the blade, but the cross section down the blade reinforces it in several directions rather than just one. It's less often used on a smaller blade but not unheard of. If you're seriously curious about this stuff, check out Forged in Fire, but be prepared to lose hours of your life watching the back episodes. The smiths make at least two blades in most episodes, and then they're tested in really amazing ways, like shooting a pistol at the blade edge-on. They actually split bullets that way. They also test by attacking ballistic target dummies with artificial realistic organs and blood. They've cut goat and steer carcasses in half. It's really fascinating stuff for someone like me, who has a collection of real steel historical reproduction swords. I wish they were just half as beautiful as some of the blades they produced on that show.

Czarzhan

What would the blade have done when fighting someone with three hearts, like an octopus has? Would it strike all three at once, or would he have to do it multiple times? (Final strike. REALLY Final Strike! Okay, this time, Definitely.)

Simon Magid

But the monologue is necessary to explain to the audience why it fails!

astralFitz

One of the system apocalypse reads I enjoyed more than most had, in one of the later books, a protagonist's "unblockable attack" skill meet a villain's "absolute defense" skill. The consequences were rather loud, and they were both just kinda stuck there for a minute if memory serves.

Madcat6204

Dave, the "blocks ANY attack" abilities are actually intended to be broken like that. Those are supposed to be the special tools that a player character pulls out when the final boss uses his ultra perma mega supreme final armageddon universe deletion divide by zero attack, so that the party isn't just wiped by the unkillable godking and instead actually has a chance of victory. Players are SUPPOSED to be pulling out all the stops at that point and making use of every forgotten skill their characters have, in order to make the final battle feel suitably awesome. Trust me, most well made bosses can still be threatening enough that a once per battle invincibility skill is not going to stop them from killing the party in and of itself. It's just a tool.

Hogan

Gotta love the chibified ending XD

ciopo

You should read "edge cases" by SilverLinings, it's a litrpg that properly explore exactly that "this ability say somewhat ambigously -block any one attack-" and other stuff of that kind

Kevin Wright

NEW ACHIEVEMENT! - "What the fuck?" - Block an unblockable attack. You just took advantage of a loophole the System was unaware of. Well done.

Jon Gibson

So I've been tinkering away with a tabletop system of my own and it has a mechanic called priority. Any ability is only half as effective vs a priority 1 above it, quarter effective vs a priority 2 above it, and does nothing against something 3 or more. The inverse is also true with double, quad, and practically infinite effectiveness. The neat thing is that not only do individuals have their own priority, certain aspects of the game world can modify your priority, and certain abilities have an increased priority, though you can never have an ability with a priority more than 2 higher than your own, and you can lower an ability's priority freely.

Richard Riley

"I know something you do not know! I am not left-hearted!" -Dr Who, maybe

Greg Morrow

The switch to SD in the last two panels is very cute. Shows the change from ultra-serious to "all the serious is over", telling the story in a clear and distinct way.

Ebonbolt

Cheat with Both Hands (then beg, borrow, &/or steal more hands to cheat with).

Shremedy

Does the target have a spinal cord? "Central nervous system disconnect"

rhekke

My question to Max. If you have the speed and reflexes to get a massive, sharp piece of metal behind your back in time to stop a stab to the spine, why the heck did you not just step out of reach? Rule of cool, etc, but very bad habits to get into for a fight.

Raymond Dannelly

Gloves of Missel Snaring and Belt of Storm Giant Strength, means 5 foot elven cleric can catch the boulder thrown by the Stone Giant. This makes the DM sad.

TrixieTurner

Nah still anticlimactic, it just felt like more what’s the point wasting another page on this.

TrixieTurner

Wow the solution was anticlimactic and max is unharmed who could have seen that coming huh such a twist yay these fights are so unique and interesting. Oh well at least it’s an excuse to get a shot of Max’s ass in.

TrixieTurner

Lmao the serious has been over, it just took till now for the art to match the plot.

TrixieTurner

Ehh it’s all the same she speed tanked it instead of just tank tanking it not a bad habit when it doesn’t matter really.

Brett

The daggers fuller is probably a blood groove, that way it doesn’t plug the hole and prevent bleeding. And remember, “if you’re not cheating you’re not winning!

Town Crier

I bet you're actually sitting at the moment.

Thisguy

The fine text to any system is usually "DM says no". This sometimes seems unfair, like the DM is just forcing an action, but I believe this uis the intent behind a lot of unstated stuff in the rules. No designer is going to think of every possibility, especially when possibilities can be added over years by many designers who didn't think how this ability would interact with this one ability added in a supplement a few years ago. When it gets too crazy, when things are exploited too much in a way they were not designed to be, that's when the DM steps in and says "god says no". Besides, how realistic would b=it be that the creator of a magic weapon oversold its abilities?

tsukiouji

Nah, this was fun. Stop whinging just to whinge.

TexasTies

Hehe, it looks like Max's booty burped. Also, those are a couple of nice booty panels 👌

Anton Schleef

Honestly, I felt this was the perfect resolution to this fight. Now Max hasn't been forced to kill (or nearly kill) every competitor that she defeated. Not to mention, Assassin-types (even if they are an Arcane Trickster) don't normally fight to the last, just until it's obvious they can't win and then they do their best to retreat (which Arcane Tricksters are much better at), so this both fit the competitor better _and_ better fit the overall story-telling style of the comic. Now, all that said, the chibi art in the last few panels does feel like Dave saying "Okay, that's enough of this fight, I'm just wrapping it up _*now!*_"

Otoger

yeah, these absolutes are mostly only to give grandiose info, but then are suspectible to stats /lvl and have there a limit or if you query the skill for more info you get a X amount of power can be withstood for y point of int or so XD

Woodrobin

"No effect on a creature without a heart" -- so it's useless against Cheeto Golem Emperors. Disappointing. On a more serious note: the Vorpal Sword way back in 1st edition AD&D had that kind of caveat: on a natural 20 on the 1d20 roll to attack, it would slice off the target's head, resulting in death (unless the creature would not normally be killed by decapitation. It listed hydras (obviously), doppelgangers (they can shape change a new head), and golems (they're animated sculptures -- their heads are aesthetic choices, not anatomical features)) OR creatures that don't *have* a head (giant amoebas, slimes, molds, etc as well as creatures like lantern archons (low ranking celestials that are basically lawful good balls of light) or will-o-whisps (also balls of light, *not* lawful not good).

Playwars

And those problems is why I don't write litrpgs, or more accurately, litrpg adjacent novels anymore. That, and the psychotic threats you get from people from 'not being litrpg enough'. Freaking hell. That last bit of dialogue was hilarious though XD

eddi_TBH

I guess Max's blade had the bigger appetite of the two. The chibi panel ending is very appropriate.

eddi_TBH

The term "Rules Lawyer" was invented for players who exploit these loose ends to their advantage. And get very angry when GMs use words like "play balance", "not fun" and "banned" when they try a takeover.

eddi_TBH

The actual use of a fuller is to reduce a blades weight and the "W" type pattern actually stiffens the blade like an I beam is tougher bend than a straight piece of steel.

eddi_TBH

At least there's balance. A halfling thief can still backstab him and steal them. (fake) Roll for a 'random' encounter if needed.

eddi_TBH

The backstab power owuld not let that happen. So Max skipped right to Plan B.

eddi_TBH

He was shot/stabbed a couple time once the writers added the double heart.

eddi_TBH

I have a few too. I prefer solid finishes to decorative. Except for Damascus steel.

Eric Loken

Basil Exposition here to explain why this isn't going to work! Suppose that's an option, have the announcers do it instead, but someone had to explain it.

Eric Loken

"Can you pick the one word in that explanation that is going to be a problem?" ".... Mana. Your sword eats mana, and I'll I'm doing is giving it a buffet."

Diego Rossi

The more common class isn't Lawyer, it is Rule Lawyer. The specialization is important!

AlpineBob

"A fraction of a moment of reprieve", during which I shall monologue for 30 seconds... Also, this Final Blade sounds like less of a technique and more like an ability, since it seems tied to the dagger, and not the training? Or maybe I'm misinterpreting...

MewMew!

Well, if Max don't keep the dagger....pretty sure Dabbler will get a smile out of it?