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Minority Report - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/nWrA8Udem8 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

Movie runtime: 2:25:09

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Prof. Writhms

This is hands-down the best sci-fi movie of that decade-- with "District 9" a close second place. I'm hyped for this one! 🔴

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

Firstly, big fist bump and welcome back for healthy George 👊 Secondly, it’s awesome when Spielberg tackles stories with a real grit and moral complexity. Philip K Dick’s short stories are also widely adapted and are worth exploring too. The Adjustment Bureau with Matt Damon (adapted from one of Dick’s stories) is also another recommendation for some similar themes :)

JediLounger

Sounds like you need to get an air fryer George. I got one a few weeks ago, it is a magical device.

Astraeos
>>143515403

You have good taste, sir. District 9 is soo good. I'm still waiting for that sequel that was promised.

djKENTO

It's 5:41am... I am very high. I've been up all night. Do I throw in this blu-ray or getting sleep... Okay we all know the answer to this... I don't even really like this movie but I wanna hang with George and Simone.

imperial

SO excited to rewatch this with you guys, and to hear your opinions on the pros/cons of this technology. (I've been enjoying your Black Mirror discussions recently, and this movie fits right in with that genre).

jmundt33a
>>143515989

Adjustment Bureau is awesome Impostor is another really good similar choice.

Odd Thomas

Yasss. The sister movie to this is Spielberg's 'A.I. Artificial Intelligence' which I think George especially will love. And there's Jude Law for Simone ;)

Odd Thomas

Theory: George has been replaced in an Avril Lavigne style corporate conspiracy scenario. Or maybe I've just been watching too much Severence.

J.R.

If you want a really mindbendy sci fi sort of horror I think you should check out Coherence (2013), it's low budget but the concept is so intriguing it doesn't need to be anything else!

Ph4ZeD

I really like this movie but I hate the cinematography that Spielberg used for this and the War of the Worlds, no wonder it died out!

Tenwyn

I get what George is saying, but personally I like when movies put in quick humorous scenes during an intense part, as long as they're not overdone. Those scenes in this movie didn't bother me because there were only a couple of them and they really didn't take away from the urgency of the scenes IMO. They eyes rolling away actually made the scene more intense for me.

E. D.

I liked the humor here and there in the movie (I expect it in a Spielberg film), without it something would be missing. And there are a ton of movies (especially action films) where the humor elements are in the middle of tense scenes, like in Bad Boys or any Jackie Chan movie etc. But since Minority Report is not an action comedy and the actors are not famous for being comedians or are funny per se, I get why it can feel like a bit unnecessary or distracting, but I like it though, Anderton is not a perfect human/hero, he‘s "allowed“ to be clumsy for a bit or make stupid decisions. And here is why: Anderton is competent (just like Ferrel is) but then not anymore as much and he‘s stressed like hell and at times befogged and this is good opportunity for Spielberg to implement comedy elements, like the weird swedish lady singing and touching Cruise‘s ass while making sounds or Anderton eating shit from the fridge or ppl doing all kind of shit while being scanned. And George maybe forgot that Anderton‘s face was not normal and probably in pain when he dropped the eye balls and him looking like a freak kinda „justifies“ the random waddling after the eye balls like he‘s chasing chickens.

maxthesilent

sorry george but sean didn't get the happy-ish ending - agatha shares with them things that would/could have happened if he had gotten away from the kidnapper (we know this is an alternate future because john and lara are a part of it )

Piep
>>143530249

yeah i agree, agatha just saw an alternate future of sean

Allen Pass

Simone: Isn't adultery a crime. George: "sweats profusely" No! That was funny. But I do get what Simone was saying, it is a crime of morality and a betrayal, and it would be great if in that sci-fi future, they could prevent infidelity with "preemptive counseling".

Odd Thomas

I've seen this movie many times but this is the first time I've considered if (SPOILER) Lamar was behind the kidnapping/death of Sean because he needed the best cop and this would guarantee a personal investment on Anderton's part. Maybe Anderton was thinking of taking a different job for example. Just a thought.

Michael Robayo

Yes, Agatha was seeing the alternate future of Sean.

Marco

Love you guys but the constant espousing of your theories of the movie plot kinda kills some of the enjoyment. It’s ok to the let the movie breathe. Not a criticism; just an observation.

miniature
>>143537654

Eeeh to eachs own. I prefer to know what they're thinking. And if they're thinking about theories then that's fine. I much prefer that then just 2 ppl silently watching. At least this way I know they're paying attention and are actually engaged. Ppl who are passively watching and not engaged don't have theories.

Tay Schumaker
>>143521361

He’s used Kaminski for almost everything. He’s a genius, but sometimes he does a lot of stuff that pisses me off

Tay Schumaker

Enjoy this movie, but why Anderton’s ball isn’t a last minute red ball still makes no sense, other than the plot of the movie demands it.

Tay Schumaker

Also for some reason I thought you all had seen this when I mentioned this after Her. The actress that plays Agatha was the actress that was the original voice of the OS in Her that was later replaced by Scarlett Johansson

E. D.

I thought George has seen TWD for some reason but seems like he didn‘t otherwise he‘d know Samantha Morton. But I assume he knows Norman Reedus if he played Death Stranding.

REDR58

Samantha Morton who plays “Agatha” is the actor who originally provided the voice for the AI “Samantha” (yes, same name) in the movie “Her” you recently watched. As you recall when discussing that movie, you talked about how Scarlett Johansson was brought in to re-record all of Samantha’s dialogue. So now you have a face to put to the previous voice! The contortionists scene was funny time and didn’t pull me out of the drama of the moment and I didn’t think it went on too long, it was fine. Bizarre things can happen during tense moments. That’s life.

Alex Ch

I always thought the precognitives were possibly limited by distance, since they were only solving murders in D.C. So presumably in the house they were given far away from others, they could dream peacefully because there were no other futures locally. This was a lot of fun. Glad to see you’re doing well, George!

D. T. Nelson

Since Agatha was talking about his son in college seeing his father in the stands at a race it seemed to me she was describing an alternate future where Anderton's son was not kidnapped. It was also suggested that the precogs only see murders accurring close to where they are since they only saw murders in Washington DC, not all over the country or the world. So, if they were taken to a remote location at the end they wouldn't get visions of murders (or it would be a rare occurance or perhaps of lesser intensity). There are so many great movies based on Philip K Dick stories (Total Recall, Blade Runner, The Adjustment Bureau, Paycheck, Man in the High Castle, A Scanner Darkly, etc), but this one is my favorite.

Tim T—

If you're interested in another cyberpunkesque crime movie in a comparable vine, I'd recommend Strange Days (1995).

W T

Colin's character isn't saying John lost his son out of his sight, he is saying John, like so many people involved in accidents and otherwise tragic situations, has been blaming himself nonstop for what he did. He was being a prick about it, but he's a hard-ass tasked with picking apart one of the most revolutionary societal instruments imaginable - as far as his methodology goes, kicking in John's wife's door with his bedside manner is exactly how he gets the results, quickly. Fair enough I suppose, just pointing out that he didn't necessarily believe John is some asshole who couldn't protect his kids. He just is empathetic enough to understand what the very obvious signs already prove, hence all the talk about his (also obvious) suicide attempt.

Tim T—

There is a massive plot hole there: They say the Precrime program will go national - but there are only three precogs. The nation-wide precognitions of murder must come from them. The organization has no control over what the precogs see – so the three precogs must in a way see all national (and international) murders and Precrime DC must have - until now - filter all those murder visions out to just concentrate on the murders in Washington DC. But the three precogs must permanently see murder, without a pause. Of the whole world. Maybe they see even the murder of Florgaztin Brrrrrz on Betelgeuse VI, because the murderer was envious of their flamboyant green skin.

W T

About great Cyberpunk-y movies: Strange Days 1995 is among my favorites, you will definitely understand its connection to CyPu. Kathryn Bigelow/James Cameron movie, both of its time and very much ahead of it, respectively. Upgrade 2018 is loaded with great Gibson/Neal Stephenson-tropes and some concepts that don't get explored enough in movies. It's also fairly low-key hilarious, intense, creepy... kind of does a lot of things well at a ridiculously tiny budget - Leigh Whannell of Saw fame was responsible and it's easily and by far my favorite of his offerings. Cloud Atlas is my last one, my favorite Wachowskis/Tom Tywker-branded movie. Kind of polarizing movie to this day in some corners (as polarizing as an IMDB 7.4 or so can be, I guess), so I will always just defer to Roger Ebert who said something to the effect of "if you end up liking it, you'll definitely know"... gorgeous soundtrack, great filmmaking, healthy injection of neo-futuristic ambiance without me trying to go into tagline-spoiler territory here. Probably my favorite movie hands down, it's got pretty much everything I want out of an experience of its sort. And I mean, you got Tom Hanks, among so many different great actors featured, lol. While we're at Dick, A Scanner Darkly is a trip and a half. If you want a wild RDJ-performance and some really bonkers visuals - or story - that'd be one to put in there. It's not a movie that'll make you feel comfortable, it's basically a nervous tick embodied by a film. I'm probably missing lots of low-hanging fruit here, but those just came to mind.

Simone's Coconut Squire

I was fully expecting "It's called 'Minority report' and the tag line is 'Everybody Runs'... is it about white people trying to eat ethnic food?"

Tay Schumaker
>>143545335

Yeah Sean 100% died. It was all alternative future. She was describing things when he was 23, he was only 6 when he was kidnapped and this is around 6 years later so Sean would only be 12ish. I think Agatha is just describing what could have been, but it was taken away

Alexrandom

Wonderful movie ! Seeing how you enjoyed this I'm sure you'd love strange days. It's a masterpiece too few people have seen. I personally like it even better than this one !

Sergio Meira

Predestination may well be the way this universe works (or so say some physicists), but the point is knowledge. Maybe Laplace was right when he said that, if he had the exact position and velocity of every particle in the universe, he could accurately predict the futre, he was right; but is such knowledge possible? The problem with the precogs to me is how do they know what they know. You can measure their accuracy and start trusting them as part of a system, but this system involves interpretations (that was part of Tom Cruise's job, too) -- and that means it's not 'perfect knowledge about all particles in the universe', but, in the end, just a statistical prediction -- there's 99.3% chance this will happen... assuming we're taking all relevant factors into account. Predictions can get very good. Hell, it's the predictive part of science that allows us to send probes all the way to the moons of Saturn, and they do get there and send us back wonderful photos. But they're never perfect -- not even in a 100% deterministic universe -- simply because we don't have (and never will) have enough knowledge to make full use of this determinism. Like a mirage, a fata morgana, it keeps eluding us, and leaves enough room... for unpredictable lives with with the best kind of free choices you can have in a determinisitic universe.

REDR58

The child Sean is still missing. One can speculate that like any number of missing child situations in real life that he was abducted by some unknown party and murdered and the body was never discovered. There is no resolution to that aspect of the story as such. In any case, I think it’s safe to call the Precogs “slaves” as they seem to have no say in what they are doing for the police or the government. How this isn’t addressed in the movie is beyond me.

David Lonewolf Wright

Next week George going to be sitting with a big bucket of KFC... I think they could have used the precog program to at least stop the murders and then put the parties into some sort of counselling, but the pre-cogs needed to get their peace. I also think their gift has a range, so them going out into the middle of nowhere gives them a break from their gifts. If you like the ideas of brain dances, you should check out the 1995 movie Strange Days.

Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary

It's kind of a Bootstrap Paradox. Set aside that John was being set up, he wouldn't have known about Crow had he not seen Agatha's precog vision. So the only reason he comes face to face with Crow is because he was shown the future. Otherwise, he probably never would have met the man. If he had just been detained until the time of the murder had passed, it wouldn't have happened and then they could have investigated the glitch and found the truth sooner.

FranciscoGios

Sean was definitely killed the alternative lives that Agatha was describing were if Sean were to survive. If you guys want more “Cyberpunk” films watch Johnny Mnemonic & Strange Days both are from 1995.

Chase Schleich

George, as a fellow gallbladderless person, you may be fine eating whatever, but be prepared, it may hit you all of a sudden out of nowhere. I compare it to IBS. You'll eat something greasy on Monday, no problem, then you eat something on Tuesday and 2 minutes after you eat it, you feel like the food is treating your bowels like a water slide and have already reached the bottom. Then there's the pain like you're digesting a golf ball or something. It's really weird how it doesn't bother you one day and then the next day it's suddenly a problem. I've gone weeks with no issues only to have it flare up all of a sudden.

BangDroid

Cyberpunk was originally a tabletop RPG from the 80's, with various versions having extensive artwork. Most of which CDPR used was based on it's lore.

Brian's Dog
>>143563480

Yeah there was a throwaway line about a 200 mile range in the middle of the movie. They are on an island in the middle of nowhere.

REDR58

Simone and George rewatching this now calls to mind “Three Days of the Condor” from 1975 with Robert Redford and Max von Sydow in a most excellent performance that aspects of Minority Report remind me of. Check it out!

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Agatha was played by Samantha Morton, I've been a huge fan of hers since I saw her in "The Libertine". Johnny Depp was the top billed star of that one but Samantha Morton absolutely stole the show, such an intense performance, completely dominated. I suggest that one if you're looking for something a little different. It's about John Wilmott, an English playwright during the reign of King Charles (2? Anyway he's played by John Malkovich), it's kind of sexy, pretty dark, but I'll watch it again just for Samantha Morton honestly.

REDR58

Sean is dead. Agatha, in foretelling his possible future to John and Lara says, “He sees his daddy. He want to run into him. But he's only six years old and he can't do it. And the other man is so fast.”

W T
>>143554566

If Laplace could capture velocity and position of subatomic particles at will without running against the wall that is Heisenbergian uncertainty, he'd mostly be called the God of Quantum Electrodynamics, I suppose Honestly, I think it's a bit of a fallacy. Yeah, it's built on crime, sure, the deterministic approach seems off... but you can't deny that there is a significant true hit rate on offenders. All you have to do is cook up some proper methodology for a statistical approach and then explain why those numbers are better than conventional crime-fighting - just preventing would-be cases and giving de facto innocent people some counseling or some such would far outclass the systemic issues law enforcement is dealing with globally. We get really, really hung up as humans on all-or-nothing sort of scenarios. Self-driving cars are only good in most of our minds (very much irrationally so) if we can ensure they're perfect, people literally dismiss it despite astonishing safety numbers at about one order of magnitude difference. It's a fallacy, of course, it shouldn't matter to us whether some arbitrary drunk driver killed our friend or whether it was a glitch in some complex, opaque, automated system doomsayers were warning against. But it's better and the moral thing is to advocate for its (proper) utilization. Now the whole "our precognitive substrate is traumatized cyber-heroin mutant babies living a sedated life outside of consciousness"-dilemma clearly is a bit fucked as far as trolley problems go, but apart from that? You definitely would see this evolve, and it'd be hard to argue against its efficacy in a world that can sensibly control and wield this power. Which is a huge if to be certain, but yeah.

W T
>>143551073

Surprised how many people recommend Strange Days, used to be it's one step below underappreciated - people just plain don't seem to know about it in my world, despite the big names attached. I will also never get over a young Ralph Fiennes looking like the spitting image of Bradley Cooper, so there's that. Really might be the movie that most closely captures certain elements from Cyberpunk 2077, and it does "it" very, very well.

W T
>>143540730

It makes sense if you appreciate that (and the entire resolution of this plot revolves around this) precognition is a statistical tool, not an infallible binary selector telling you a thing will or won't happen (plus us finding about choice being a possibility, too). Anderson was thinking about facing his killer all the time, where even is the threshold beyond which this turns into premeditation? It's already based on the precogs interpreting their inputs as murder, but for all we know, they, just like everyone else, are only discriminating based on the loose clues they see, paired with some serious empathy. Which I can totally believe changed everything about Anderton's deal; he was acutely disturbed and all, but he also clearly can manage his rage and sadness to not go through with it - he never was a killer, nor would he be. It's a technicality, just a bad glitch this sort of system could experience. Of course there are dozens of ways to pick this apart, but for me, if I can suspend my disbelief about the premise, I could probably come up with a new excuse for why the balls work within the confines of the fuzzy logic we're dealing with already.

Brendan Rafferty

Everything that happens after John (Tom cruise) is arrested and put into storage… …is a dream. A happy dream… giving John justice and a happy ending … if you notice it quickly works out and everything falls into place But this is all in his mind as he is in storage. The hint comes when Tim Blake Nelson’s character tells him, right before he lowers him into the storage unit that he will dream in storage… dream of a happy life These kinds of twists are common in Philip K Dick stories, but Spielberg doesn’t spell it out for the audience. The popcorn audience can enjoy the action packed happy good guy winning ending. The audience paying deeper attention can catch it Verhoven did a similar thing when he adapted another Philip k Dick story to make the film Total Recall… giving the popcorn audience the happy hero ending and giving the more analytical audience paying attention to the clues the deeper darker ending that Schwarzenegger’s character is a vegetable back on Earth, never having gone to Mars.

Chase Schleich

You're mocking the futurist for being so wrong, but you're forgetting this was filmed in 2001-2002. They nailed virtual assistants like Alexa, motion control, super thin TVs, clear TVs, holograms, electric cars (even the shape of the cars), auto navigation, transferring data from a computer screen to a TV wirelessly over a long distance, and targeted ads. Plus this future is still 30 years from now and we're already working on little robots, jet packs for the military and police, guns that shoot sound waves, ads that play over almost every surface and target you personally (although it will likely use your phone or brain implant to recognize you instead of an eye scanner) and it's not much of a stretch to think police will have things like the halo rings that paralyze people or calm them down. So multiple other things may end up being correct by the time we get to 2054. Cars that go up buildings is likely not happening though. That was a bit of a stretch on their part although Spielberg may have requested something like that in order for people to understand that it's the future.

djKENTO

Hey George, the Braindance was not taken from here, not even visually. There’s a movie written by James Cameron, directed by his ex wife, Academy Award winner Katheryn Bigelow calle STRANGE DAYS. It starts Ralph Fiennes as a memory peddling scum bag in a dystopian LA. I’d recommend it for a reaction because it’s legit one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made, but Cameron is the worst when it comes to re-releasing his movies in HD. HE doesn’t trust anyone else to restore them which is why we only just got True Lies and The Abyss in 4K. They skipped a media generation. But seriously… Strange Days. Cyberpunk owes SO MUCH to that movie.

REDR58
>>143581948

It's a shame he DNR'ed True Lies (And T2) to death as he did in their 4K releases.

Jeff I.

Great reaction! I had the same look as Simone when Agatha suddenly screams 'run!' in such a chilling way. As much I like this movie overall, it definitely has some flaws. I forgot how awkwardly written some of the dialogue/script is and how bad some of the line delivery is. Like Tom Cruise saying "You're talking about *very unnatural pause* the Precogs?" in the greenhouse scene with the old woman. Samantha Morton killed it as Agatha though! There's also a lot of little plot holes or lapses in logic that I caught in the moment while watching but had to kind of ignore to enjoy the movie.

Grandalf

Someone has probably already said it, but Samantha Morton, who played Agatha, also played Alpha in The Walking Dead. Definitely has dramatic range for sure.

REDR58
>>143583895

For me, the biggest flaw of the movie is the absolute horrendous color palette. I get what they are trying to do, but it’s just an ugly ugly looking film.

Jacob King

I love the zaniness of this movie, particularly the Buster Keaton fight in the car factory and the procession of mad scientists. It really feels like it’s pushing up against the limitations of what was accepted in sci-fi action blockbusters. Agatha is definitely giving an alternate future for Sean; part of the point was none of the predictions they’d made had to come to pass. Also, the reason the precogs are so isolated is because their visions are proximity based, no people means no visions. (Same screenwriter as Logan where Professor X also had to be kept isolated). Philip K Dick also wrote the stories Total Recall and Blade Runner were based on. I absolutely recommend checking out his actual work because it generally gets stoned down for the movies. Ubik is a good place to start. Minority Report and Memento are a really good pairing as movies that deconstruct the revenge genre.

Odd Thomas

Another Harry Potter link: Samantha Morton is in the HP prequel, Fantastic Beasts (which is great by the way; the sequels not so much)

simon brouillard

3 days of the condor, Network, All the President’s men, The Post, The Fabelmans, Close Encounters of the Third Kind🙂

Gary Fixler

Omg, Simone is so right about it being Harry Potter. You had the moving newspapers. Then herbology vines attacking him. There was the polyjuice potion that made his face all wonky and hid him from people chasing him. Agatha having the visions, like madame Trelawney. The guy in the VR pleasure booth thanking all of his supporters was Ron looking in the Mirror of Erised (I'm head boy!). The car assembly robots smashing parts down on him as he rolled back and forth out of the way was a combo of the Weasley's car and the Whomping Willow. Even the shot George said was so cool, where John and Agatha were hugging and facing opposite ways, with the cool lighting... that looked to me like Agatha sticking out the back of Quirell's head. All the creepy people in the movie were the inhabitants of Knockturn Alley. And the precogs ended up like Harry, Ron, and Hermione, when they went into hiding for all that time, living in a little shack in the middle of nowhere. It even looked like some of the places they went. It all fits.

Ph4ZeD

I thought you were bang on Simone about the similarities between some of the characters and themes with Cyberpunk 2077. The guy who replaced the eyes was similar to Fingers in CP2077.

Kevin Bartelen

I would imagine, since it seems like the precogs were only seeing murder in the city they were in, that being now in such a remote place they probably aren't as likely to see nearly as many murders now. Although there is a sequel TV show all about what the precogs are up to now.

Farbod

Loved the reaction! But thanks for ruining clam chowder for me forever... haha

Ginge Tomassi

George being less suspicious of a character being the villain because they were played by Max Von Sydow is so funny.

Thoko
>>143584917

I think she was awful in the Walking Dead. But thats probably more the fault of the writers. The problem is that in a world where a powerful woman does not have law enforcement to protect her, and where she does not have physical strength, fighting skills or an advantage in weaponry, she would need to do something VERY intelligent and unique to hold onto power. Like the way that Cleopatra seduced powerful Romans.

AJ Lynch

imagine if Fincher made this movie instead

sagesaria

Honestly, the most horrifying part ethically to me is the thought of what would have happened if they DID go national. The poor precogs were overstimulated and traumatized from just the DC area, how were they going to cope with the whole united states?

Zoran24

somebody come get heeeerrrrr