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Star Trek: The Original Series 117-118 (Patreon)

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2024-09-11 12:00:04
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2026-01-08 03:08:13
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Episodes: The Squire of Gothos & Arena

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Keith Brown

Theory has it this character was the version on a Q that The Next Generation ran into several times.

Alan Pownall

The 900 years from the early 1800s doesn't line up with eventual time period the show/films settle on.

WayneC

Yes, Q is a character in the James Bond books and films. He is the head of the research division. Q basically is short for Quartermaster. And there was a recurring character Q in Star Trek: The Next Generation. Deep Space 9, etc.

WayneC

Alexander Hamilton died in 1804. The same year that Napolean became emperor of France.

Adam Barry

Star Trek TOS takes place in the mid 2200's. The era depicted in The Squire of Gothos is the early 1800's. But I'm guessing at this early point in the series they hadn't settled on the exact year it took place in. Or the writers didn't check their history and thought Napoleon was around in the 1300's.

Amos T Fairchild

The Arena episode is referenced in Paul and Bill and Ted Bogus Journey. Amongst others...

Alan Pownall

The Gorn are in some of the other shows but not the TNG era ones. Jadzia Dax (assuming that is who Simone was talking about) is a Trill.

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

And the same year Haiti became a free republic out of French overlordship too :)

dc

Arena is one of my favorite TOS episodes, just because it's so campy but fun and clever. The Cestus III bombardment, giant lizards, mysterious aliens, Captain Kirk making gunpowder and a cannon—it has it all.

Monica Alarcon

The first season takes place in 2267.

Wayne Rasmussen

Transporter is crude. He knows about transporters.

Da Big Appa

George talking about doing two forward rolls makes me want to see an Elden Ring Mod with Kirk just rolling around.

punterjoe

Arena always makes me think of Ben Stiller/Tugg Speedman in Tropic Thunder watching this on his iPod before he's attacked by the cuddly wildlife. FWIW - Trek has revisited the Gorn in later series, and thanks to CGI, they're MUCH scarier.

Actuarial Lurker

Trelane- the antagonist of the Squire of Gothos appears as a Klingon in The Trouble with Tribbles and in Deep Space 9 Blood Oath as an elderly former Klingon from Kirk's time

Actuarial Lurker

As others mentioned tOS takes place in 2266-2269 so there is a time continuity error with the references of Earth history

Monica Alarcon

Maximum warp is about 9.9. You COULD go to warp 10 but then you'd have a problem. Just ask Janeway and Tom Paris but we usually don't talk about it...

Monica Alarcon

Oh damn! In the remastered version the Gorn blinks!

Actuarial Lurker

The Gorn reappears in Enterprise but in TOS its just the cheapest ass Halloween costume

Patrick

Strange New Worlds too!

Bill

Someone break the news to them about Yeoman Rand lol.

dc

Yeoman Rand doesn't appear in any more TOS episodes, but does appear in the TOS movies.

D. T. Nelson (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-09 01:00 Simone, I don't remember a Jax, but if you meant Dax from DS9 then you are talking about the Trill.
2024-09-11 19:30

Paul Peavler

In the TOS era the maximum warp is supposed to be about warp 7. But they didn't have very set rules back then and the warp scale changed between TOS and TNG.

Paul Peavler

I explained the whole thing in a comment last week but I guess they didn't read it.

Monica Alarcon

Oh yeah. You're right. I forgot they were up to warp 5 in Enterprise.

August King

The Gorn make a cameo in the Star Trek: Enterprise series and are heavily featured in the Star Trek: Strange New Worlds series. The Strange New Worlds series finally had access to better CGI, so it was able to depict Gorn as a truly frightening reptilian species.

August King

In the semi-canon book "Q-Squared", it is revealed that Trelane was a young member of Q continuum who was "Special". Any more would be spoilers.

Cinebinge

haha yup I mean Jadzia Dax and my forgetful brain came up with Jax

Paul Peavler

Arena is a classic TOS episode. But imagine being Kirk and being captured by a femboy and forced to fight a slow-moving reptile man in the California desert.

Bruce Woodcock

The date for when Star Trek takes place is inconsistent in the TOS era. If you take this episode at face value, it would have to be the 27th century (based on Hamilton's death in 1804) or the 28th century (based on the Strauss musical composition from 1880). The canonical timeline of Star Trek didn't really get firmed up until the TNG era, and while some contradictions still remains, the current canonical dates for when TOS takes place is 2265 - 2269.

Young Blood Priest

The enterprise had to go back to the outpost to pick up their crew members. Before they left Kirk sent a 30 member medical team down to the planet to search for survivors.

Duke Running

Random question ……. If Simone does love the show “Friends”. What is Chandler Bing’s job ? Just a random question

Thomas Yanez

"Look around you. Can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?" One of my favorite TOS references in "Galaxy Quest" that most reactors completely miss.

AC10

13 hours and 37 comments... I should watch this show huh...

Alan Kobb

in Arena, why did Kirk order Sulu to return to the outpost? Just before When they left the the outpost to pursue the Gorn ship, Kirk ordered a team of "20 medical personnel" to beam down to the planet to search for survivors. They need to pick them up.

Dee Aitch

It made a young kid think he could go out and craft a gunpowder canon at will.

Daniel Goldberg

Also, Simone, if memory serves none of the alien species that you mentioned were introduced in TOS. I think they were first mentioned in TNG. Except for Vulcans, Romulans, and Klingons, of course. If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me.

JFC

Ben Stiller is a huge TOS fan, and he owns the Gorn head from the Gorn costume in Arena.

REDR58

I quite enjoyed “The Squire of Gothos” and had never seen it before but I was aware of the ending. I didn’t find Trelane especially annoying but I think that comes from knowing he is apparently a Q.

Robert Evans

George: Janice Rand will not be back in the series. Her contact was terminated and there is a very sad horrid story behind it. (

Andrew Roach

Despite the cheesyness or hokyness of this episode the overriding concept that these are not just big monsters to kill but that the humans may be in the wrong is part of why Trek transcended normal sci fi of the time and become iconic. There is an official Trek chronology book that went up to Voyager that laid all all the events in order, I highly enjoyed that book but you must avoid it at all costs until you are finished as it obviously is the sheer definition of spoilers. I remember a fan had made an even bigger chronology that included books as well but I can't find that anymore. Yes Paul referenced the Gorn fight and was also located at that famous rock formation location. Speaking of Paul, the end location in that movie was also a famous mountain location from an iconic Spielberg movie you have not yet watched. Yes, I am aware that cheesyness and hokyness are not real words, but frak it.

G Lam

Species completely abandoned after TOS: Erm... Nearly all of them. Stop reading to save minor spoilers, but I don't think it matters really, since I'm only telling you species who have an appearance in some form or another in other ST shows. Obviously Romulans and Klingons survive the cut. Andorians, Gorn, and Tholians make an appearance in ST: Enterprise. Actually, Enterprise and Lower Decks do quite a lot of mentions/appearances of ST:TOS aliens. Enterprise because it's a prequel series, and Lower Decks because it's animated, so there's no practical costumes needed, and well, because they just do whatever they want! If you actually work your way all the way though, I picture George losing his shit with Lower Decks

John Zelinka

Not to belittle a truly sad situation but Robert's presumable typo had me laughing. I'm sure he meant to type "contRact" but "her CONTACT was terminated" is even better!

Crystal

hey Robert! small world 🌎

Robert Evans

yes I am notorious for my typos. My Buffy role playing friends will never let me forget their encounter with Hello Hounds.

Stuart Sutcliffe

Trelane's recollection of Napoleon Bonaparte appears ot be a continuity error or evidence of a retcon with later Trek. However, it has a scientific basis with time paradoxes that are consistent with faster than light travel. Napoleon lived in the late 1700s, early 1800s, and Star Trek: The Original Series is later established to be set in the 2200s. Meaning, the 900 light year difference between Trelane's perception of Earth would be incorrect. But theories of relativity predict that events occurring after faster than light speed would actually allow the traveler to observe future events, return to their starting position before the observed time, and actually change observed future events. This is why theoretical faster than light travel literally is time travel. If you apply this to the episode though, it does not necessarily mean that Star Trek would have to be set in the 2600s-2700s. All it would really mean is that the Enterprise traveled to a location in the galaxy at a rate faster than light such that observable time would be beyond that the 400+ year differential. It would follow from this, then, that telemetry of Earth would allow the crew of the Enterprise to view events on earth that occurred after they left the solar system. But it also means that Kirk and Jaeger really f'd up, that they didn't think to do the calculus regarding the speed of their travel to this point in space when determining observable time.

Perry Campbell

Is there something wrong with me. I don’t find the Gron creature funny🥲🥲🥲🥲

Funny That

This is a randomly inspired random show suggestion. If you are both unfamiliar with the Napoleonic war era then you are two huge Lord of the Rings fans that are possibly missing out on 'Sharpe'. Sean Bean is the titular Sharpe in a brief run of tv movies co-starring a murders row of British acting talent, many of whom where just starting out. Tales of cunning battles, daring raids, chest heaving romance, swashbuckling, chivalry, and Mr Bean getting his top off almost as much as Shatner in Star Trek. (And all practical special effects and sets to recreate the time/place and the action).

Theadora

I think it's the Gorn costume that Simone & George are laughing at, not the concept. (and to be clear, only because it's a professional costume; if a non-professional costumer made it, it would be considered AWESOME!)

Perry Campbell

Arena was my favorite episode as a kid. When I got older Balance of Terror & Amok Time became my favorites.

zzhe

Arena, the episode we meet space twink and they're as expected the superior species:)

Stevtrek

I joined your Patreon a few weeks ago for the Star Trek reacts, and have been getting caught up. Wouldn't have guessed Simone was a TNG fan... Hope George will be watching those as well. You might look into some key episodes of the animated series. The original cast does voices and original writers pen some of the episodes.

Justin Fries

I hope that once you finish the original Star Trek series, you will do a one-off reaction to Where No Fan Has Gone Before, the Futurama episode George enjoyed so much. You will be surprised how very many references it makes to the original series episodes, whether The Menagerie, Arena, The Gamesters of Triskelion, and others you haven't seen yet. Not to mention Melllvar's Mary Sue fan script, with George Takei and Walter Koenig sharing a copy. I wager 1000 quatloos you will fall of out your chairs laughing!

JBK405

To answer your "Do the aliens return or get written out?" question: Trek has an official policy that NOTHING aired is ever de-canonized. So, no matter how bad the episode may be (And you still haven't gotten to the worst episodes of TOS) it officially still happened. The things that don't make sense are generally just ignored instead of being decreed "That episode wasn't canon". Most alien species don't return on-screen, but they are included in things like background announcements, props, etc. For example, in a shuttleport you will see a sign "Ship departing for Planet X leaving in one hour..." This is how they kept a lot of more obscure events 'alive', even if they didn't want to bother actually bringing them back for a full story. Multiple comments have already pointed out that TOS takes place in the 2260s, but they hadn't yet decided that when writing "The Squire of Gothos". While making that episode they thought the setting would be a few centuries further, hence the idea that a 900-year lightspeed delay would show the 1800s. It wasn't until later in the series that they settled on the 23rd century instead of the 28th century. Like I said, this time error is just ignored, so the episode is still canon.

Opti_Frog

Trelane really feels like a proto-Q, and i like villains with this kind of charisma and attitude. The Gorn is rather the opposite. Arena is quite dreadful. 😅

Bradley Shafer

The Gorn do return In Enterprise in the early 2000's