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Sunshine - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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For Patreon tier 'Bingers on the Wall' or higher: Uncovered Version - https://cinebingers.ca/XkxZjLIFo1

movie runtime: 1:47:28

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Big MCD

I thought the "touching the sun" moment really did happen because of the laws of physics completely changing. So before he was obliterated, spacetime distorted and he really did touch the sun.

Shibby

This is one of my favourite movies and I'm so glad you guys enjoyed it. Thank you for your excellent reaction :)

Maiki

Had some hope that this rewatch would change my mind, but nope, now i remember why i didn't like it at all back then. Visually impressive, yes. Great cast. But the second half, most notably the third act is just bonkers, storywise. Not to mention some really bad plotholes.

Adam Barry

I think the whole part at the end with Cillian Murphy touching the sun is half poetic licence, half an interpretation of the relativistic effects on time due to the payload travelling so fast into the sun.

JayF

Well Simone must be in this reaction because, "Ain't no sunshine when she's gonnnnne..."

Wulfric
>>154611583

Yeah, first 2/3 was okay. Little weird that sunlight makes people go insane but w/e. Then the third act turned into a slasher film with a superhuman killer. No way a person that badly burned should be able to function at all. Not to mention all the dust on the Icarus 1 was undisturbed despite him living on it for years. The third act was just down right bad imo.

Jay Davis

Thought I'd take this opportunity to make my Christmas wish list and give to ya. I've been a very good boy. Honest. Drive (2011) To Live And Die In L.A. (1985) Thief (1981) a Huffy Thunder Road bicycle (1980) world peace or whatever

HansD

"We've built this nuclear bomb the size of Manhattan Island and we want you to ride it into the Sun. If you don't, all life dies." -- Yeah, this was always a horror film. Also one of my favorite science-fiction films. Actual science-fiction rather than science-fantasy. Good science-fantasy is great, but good science fiction is sublime. Speaking of good science-fiction I'd like to suggest the equally amazing actual science-fiction film "Gravity" (2013) starring Sandra Bullock and George Clooney. Directed by Alfonso Cuarón whose masterpiece "Children of Men" you're already familiar with.

Grandalf

I LOVE this movie so much, and I'm really glad that you guys did too. First, to George's question early, the science in this movie isn't based on real physics, but IMO is written (by Alex Garland) this way intentionally. As for the changing perspective of time at the end, I attribute it to relativity. While it might not be 7 years per hour like in Interstellar, the center of the Sun is going to dilate time quite a bit more than the 9.8 m/s/s that we experience on Earth. I just like to think that the sudden creation of all that energy/mass/gravity (take your pick) allowed Cappa to experience his creation. In other words, a lot of artistic license like George said. One of my favorite things about Sunshine is the score. If any of you Cinephiles are also gym-nerds, like me, try adding Adagio in D Minor to your gym playlist. It's the main theme and plays numerous times in the film, most notably during Kanada's death. By the way, Captain Kanada is played by Hiroyuki Sanada who played Ujio in The Last Samurai and Lord Toranaga in SHOGUN. Yes, I side-trekked myself that whole way to recommend that you guys watch SHOGUN. It's a beautiful series. 9.9 / 10. Finally, if anyone wants to take a deep dive into Sunshine, I actually found the movie whaen I watched the video essay on it on the YouTube channel Like Stories of Old. Search LSOO Sunshine on YT and you'll find it. His videos are incredible, especially if you love cinema and philosophy. Speaking of LSOO, that brings me to my final point, with Sunshine being crossed off my Cinebinge bucket list, I can now start rcommending another film that I found through that channel, CLOUD ATLAS. I had seen the movie back when it came out and thought it was good, but after watching LSOO's essay on it, I rewatched it and it was instantly one of my favorites. Not sure if I can post links in chat, but the title is, How Beauty Will Save the World, The Philosophy of Cloud Atlas. Man, that was a lot! Take care everybody and let me know if anyone else is a fan of Like Stories of Old! TL/DR: Sunshine= LOVE IT! Recommend SHOGUN and CLOUD ATLAS.

Mastervodo

This is definitely a George movie I feel. Adagio in D minor is a song worth downloading and just listening to when you want to feel ..... feelings.

Odd Thomas

Yasss! One of my favourite films!

Funny That

If anyone goes for a re-watch it is worth getting a version with the commentary track from [Prof] Brian Cox as he was consulting on the "science" in the script. There is solid science in there, but he will admit to the handwavy bits. And I can get why some folk just bounce of this. For myself it has great characters that you get to know and get to like on their own terms, and it does finally end well. The space madness trope I can live with these days, as there needed to be a third act for it to be a movie. Still. Dammit. Civilization is something that is in all of us, comes from us, and doesn't get burned away by an extreme sun tan.

Funny That
>>154609904

It is a massive gravity well, and there could also be the pressure of a terrifyingly massive nuclear bomb escalating to criticality that is keeping the sun at bay a little.

Odd Thomas

They re-used Adagio in D Minor in Kick-Ass, which actually annoyed me in an otherwise great film. It was also used in a certain DC film we won't mention, but Sunshine did it first and better. I saw it twice in the cinema and Kaneda's death scene remains one of the most memorable moments in any film.

Ricardo Alanis

I love this movie. Definitely one of the most beautiful films out there. I know some people found the tone shift in the third act jarring but I agree that enough groundwork was laid out to make it justifiable. I hope you do Dark City soon!

p0sthum4n

Been a few years since I've seen this. Might rewatch it with you later. I remember being kind of put off by how it devolves into a kind of generic slasher film toward the end.

Nina Lenz

I know the third act is sloppy af, but this is truly one of my all time favs. Wouldn't be as into movies without this and Cillian Murphy's astounding beauty really holds up. Thanks for making me watch and enjoy it again after quite some time.

Odd Thomas

Another great Mark Strong film is Stardust (2007)

Joanthan Skidmore

I think you would really enjoy another Danny Boyle film 'Shallow Grave.'

Brandon

I hadn't seen this movie since it first came out so I'd forgotten nearly all of it. I think "For All Mankind" would be a series you guys would love. Somewhere down the line, once Better Call Saul is complete. Or at least get it on a poll if it hasn't been already. It's set in an alternate history of Earth where the Soviets landed on the moon before the US and the space race kept going strong for decades instead of effectively being over by the 70's. Four seasons (so far). One of my favourite shows that is still ongoing.

Steve Mercier

A lot of people aren't down with the third act in this one...personally, I love it. Flaws and all. Also, now with Oppenheimer, this kind of brings Cillian Murphy full circle--using an atomic device to provide life rather than to destroy it. Good shit.

darkmoobs

Glad ya'll enjoyed this one. This is written by Alex Garland, he did Ex Machina and Dredd from what you guys have reacted to so far. Annihilation is a wild movie and his mini series Devs would make for a solid "break show".

michael murray
>>154649160

Absolutely second the Devs recommendation. I've mentioned it in previous comments so unfortunately i don't think my response here will do anything to bump it up the likely list, but still, it's so good. In fact i might go rewatch it now anyway

Amar

I forgot about the 3rd act twist so was fun to re-watch this one. Brilliant reaction too!

Amelie W

What's funny is, the movie lets us know it's not actually science fiction just cause the characters are scientists but magical, heightened reality almost from the start. Capa has prophetic dreams of falling into the sun. The whole idea of using Earth's fissionable materials to have any kind of impact on the Sun - it wouldn't do a whole lot even if you threw the entire Earth in there - only makes sense as a ritual sacrifice to the gods. (And as a clever guy once said, the first mission fails because they only give half; the gods aren't fooled by half-hearted sacrifices.) And Searle's sunbaths and Kaneda's death scene portray the light basically as a liquid, there's nothing realistic there. And then we get the flashes of the Icarus 1 crew, apparently recorded in light, and Pinbacker distorting the light around him so much the film starts breaking apart. (My DVD has some scratches that makes the third act stutter even more but it's really hard to tell the difference.) Pretty bold direction, but I think it helps setting up the whole symbolic, poetic, metaphysical, not really tied to the laws of reality story that becomes clear in the third act. Fun fact: Mace especially dislikes Capa because Capa is the only one on the ship who's not a career astronaut, and Mace doesn't know how to relate to someone who stands outside of the military hierarchy. Don't ask how we're supposed to figure that out from what the movie shows us, but there's another juicy layer of character for you.

Steve Mercier

As for the ending, Capa touching the new sun, sure it's poetic license; but also, they're in the sun, where time and space begin to shift, blend, and break down. So, it's possible that for Capa that moment actually lasted as long as it did--just for him.

BangDroid

This is less science fiction than it is a fantasy horror. I was put off by the terrible plot point of the plant room having been damaged - something so critical for the station - and the AI said nothing and had to be asked a bunch of questions. No alarms or anything for it either.

Hal451
>>154647228

Ah man!! I barely ever hear anyone talking about For All Mankind!! Absolutely love that show

Michael LaPorte
>>154655255

By the rendezvous that was starting to become clear, but I wish they had pushed that direction a little more in the beginning, because the lack of verisimilitude was starting to annoy me when I was just trying to view it as a hard sci-fi drama. I feel like Annihilation and Apocalypse Now, for instance, do a better job at making you know from the start that you're viewing things through a poetic lens.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Glad you guys liked this one, Danny Boyle is one of my favorite directors, his movies are always unique (plus he uses a lot of music from Underworld in his films, one of my all time favorite electronic music artists). First time I saw it I wasn't sure, I loved the first part but then we got Dusk Till Dawned and I wasn't sure how I liked the sharp turn it took, but now I appreciate it, considering that I know (am related to) some wacky anti-science religious people. Anyway, "The Beach" is a Danny Boyle movie apparently a lot of people don't like, I do, admittedly it's not his best but I think it's worth a reaction some time in the future.

REDR58

George, I think you forgot Chris Evans’ dramatic performances in “Knives Out” and “Snowpiercer”! I thought he was quite good in those movies, along with this one. Anyway, plausibility or implausibility of the science in this movie aside, what I found rather laughable is the idea that Pinbacker is somehow still alive. The moment we see how burned he is and how easily his skin was pulled off during the “degloving,” that broke the suspension of disbelief for me, especially in a movie that is trying to be super “scientific” (if not necessarily “realistic”). He should have already been dead long before he ever got aboard the Icarus II. He certainly shouldn’t even have been able to walk around, given how his skin slougs off and infection would have killed him years prior, if nothing else did. Victims of such extensive, all-over body second-degree burns (nevermind third-degree burns) cannot possibly survive that long untreated. Not to mention that he should have been suffering from severely impaired vision, if not complete blindness. Therefore, he was magic. Meh. Speaking of, I didn’t particularly like the Pinbacker character. I thought Strong’s performance was just a bit too cartoonishly evil/crazy and frankly, goofy. Anyway, it was fine. I don’t think I enjoyed it nearly as much as everyone else seems to and it’s not something I’m likely to rewatch.

Amelie W
>>154655255

Yeah, I should have mentioned I don't think it's very successful at everything it's trying to do. Since probably nobody puts it together without repeated careful viewings.

SpankTheMonk

So this isn’t really mentioned in the final cut of the film but in some making of/behind the scenes that there was a different reason to their mission and it wasn’t to “re-light” the sun. And as mentioned below even if you threw the entire earth into the sun as a bomb to instigate an increase in solar activity it wouldn’t do much. There is a cut out bit of the narrative/story that something unknown has affected the sun, and their bomb is actually to attempt to disrupt this phenomena, which you covered in the de-gloving trivia 😃. I think like many movies the script changed a lot on their motivation and the third act?

Jonas Buckner
>>154655255

It makes so much sense now why they are so good looking. It's much more of a sacrifice for Earth to send so many smokeshows. The Sun god will be more impressed if they all look like Michelle Yeoh and Chris Evans. Icarus I crew probably wasn't hot enough.

SpankTheMonk

So there is the idea that you can possibly survive for a few seconds in space with out a suit before irreversible damage happens. I know you don’t/didn’t like the gloomy nature of the Expanse but there were some cool scientific takes on exposure to space. Mace ends up being the Captain America those in the USA hope to live up too. RIP MVP Artistic license and I like Simone’s take too. ☀️ If you had as much skin damage as Mark S had he may have permanently damage his nerves allowing him to still function in extreme events? I love the credits song/s! Like the credit song in The Prestige 🤘

Steve kephart

Now consider all the inferior movies Sunshine lost to in previous polls. I knew George especially would love this one.

Jacob King

When I first saw this it felt a bit over the top when Pinbacker came over to their ship. Still loved it. Watching it now as a global warming allegory the idea that doomer millenarians would sabotage efforts at saving the planet feels very 2024. My Danny Boyle rec is A Life Less Ordinary. My Alex Garland rec is Annihilation. Moon is the obvious next choice in the extended Benedict Wong cinematic universe but I’d also suggest Dirty Pretty Things for a non SF alternative. The Wandering Earth is great if you need another “the sun is dying” type movie My theory on him touching the sun at the end is at the moment of his death gravity had crushed time and space into one thing.

Mastervodo

This movie is to George like Rom-Coms are to Simone.

Odd Thomas

Event Horizon would be a good watch after Sunshine! And for more Alex Garland: Never Let Me Go & Annihilation

Tay Schumaker

Haven’t watched your reaction yet, but the third act is very divisive. To me it’s almost a perfect sci-fi movie up till that point. I still like the third act is great, it just takes it in a very different direction

SpankTheMonk
>>154697279

Life Less Ordinary! Mentioned it with the music suggestions since there is a fire 🔥 R.E.M. song in it.

PDP1472

Great movie; my only real quibbles are them not going with a more psychological horror with the captain instead of him being Jason in Space. And the fact that a spacecraft designed for a years-long voyage has less redundancy then the aircraft I used to work on was a little silly. As for the 'degloving'. They used to show us training videos of the aftermath of 'defingerings' from people not taking off their rings before working. The reality is worse.

Rav Low

Something to keep in mind about the ending: Time had broken down. Also people mentioning about the AI not saying anything about the plant room, do you not remember when they explicitly told the AI to cut off all alarms for that section of the ship? :3

Philipp Roensch

Yeah Alex Garland can be a bit hit-and-miss with his 3rd acts, but they are almost always surprising and bold. Danny Boyle of course directing the shit out of this. Very inspired choices to show the impact of the sunlight, wild distortions for the physical anomalies, epic stuff. And the framing, with faces and the depth of the suits, could praise this for ever. Even just the Searchlight logo going sun, then whoa, it's actually the ship. :D I would also like to add: this is a crew of scientists and astronauts, not like those morons on the Prometheus/Covenant.^^ For more Danny Boyle, you can see 'Trainspotting 2', it is good. From Alex you already seen a lot now, but I would recommend 'Men', 'Civil War' was just dissapointing.

E. D.

3rd act seems heavily inspired by event horizon

lespea

I've definitely been one of those campaigning to get this included in your watch list for what feels like forever now. Now I'll have to put more effort into Grandma's Boy and Spy Game. And in theory Requiem for a Dream but I'm not sure Simone could handle it and I'd feel bad having her even watch it lol.

Bbb K

Perhaps the touching the sun moment represents the breakdown of physics revealing the primacy of consciousness

PureGonzo
>>154791492

I mean, they did watch Trainspotting, so I think they could handle it.

JDV

Wow I haven't seen this since it came out in '07. I had forgotten how fucking good it was. I know the common refrain regarding the final act, but honestly, like George said, it built up to it progressively so if you were paying attention it's not jarring. And I love the crew. They're smart, but they're human and they fuck up. What a movie.

Boris Kopp

Event Horizon meets Oppenheimer. I'm so glad you finally got to see one of my favorite SciFi movies. It's really an underrated gem. The moment of Capa touching the sun is the moment of time and space bending so much that this might be possible if only for a splitsecond. And if course it's very poetic.

Christopher Runyon

If you want a video game with an outstanding sense of discovery and exploration then I highly recommend The Outer Wilds. Truly one of the best video games of the last decade, I wish I could play it again with no memory of it.

Mitch M

This isn't actually a movie about space. It's set in space, yes, but it's a movie about God and the relationship between faith, science, and madness. The YouTube channel FilmJoy did a brilliant breakdown of this film. You guys should watch it. (He did a Revisiting Sunshine video too, very recently, but you should watch the older video first. It's breathtaking in its own way).