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Star Trek: The Original Series 221-222 (Patreon)

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2025-01-01 13:00:05
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Emily G

Would you consider reacting to the show Pen15 it’s short and funny or the movie The Producers (2005 version). I really think you guys would like them. ❤️ Happy New Years.

John M.

The crushed pod scared the hell out of me when I was little.

Young Blood Priest

George, according to the cast TOS was written as the cast stood around. If Roddenberry didn’t like what he read he would rewrite someone else’s script and have everyone waiting and then filming each page as the got copied.

Actuarial Lurker

Space Nazis....if you can have space Chicago gangsters then why not? Actually an interesting episode. In "A Piece of the Action" the outside contamination was the book left behind, here its a historian thinking he can use totalitarianism for good by learning from history and finding out your can't...

Actuarial Lurker

The writer of Patterns of Force, John Lucas, worked on several episodes as a writer, director or producer including: The Changeling (the little robot probe that was reprogrammed to destroy imperfection), Journey to Babel (with Spock's father the Ambassador needing a transfusion and Kirk getting stabbed),The Gamesters of Triskelian, A Piece of the Action (space mob bosses) and a few more you haven't seen yet. He did a lot of 1950s-1970s TV shows and was still active for decades after

Actuarial Lurker

This episode was NOT aired in Germany for decades due to post WWII laws forbidding ANY depiction of Nazi regalia regardless of the context or the message being delivered and only recently shown since it DOES portray the planet emulating them under Prof Gill's direction as EVIL

Actuarial Lurker

The irony is that Leonard Nimoy who played Spock was Jewish and he is the one who wears the uniform and presents Kirk as a captured "Zeon" rebel

John M.

Shatner is Jewish.

Lintrinsic

Not only was Nimoy Jewish, Shatner is too.

ExquisiteCapybara

thats not entirely true. Nazi symbols can be used for educational or artistic purposes and in artistic works, this is not a recent thing. The Episode wasnt shown on TV for a long time, but that was a decision of the broadcaster. Probably because the episode walks kind of a thin line at times by complimenting Nazi efficency (a complete myth btw) which could be construed as downplaying Nazi-Germanys crimes, which is in fact illegal. Also, its a silly SciFi show and probably nobody was interested in making an argument for including the episode in broadcasts.

Brandon

Patterns of Force... not a great episode. Nimoy refused to be photographed in his uniform for any production stills for the episode. It doesn't celebrate the Nazi party or anything, but it doesn't do a good job as criticism of it either. A character argues that Nazi Germany was the most efficient government ever and Leonard Nimoy had to deliver lines that confirm this fallacy that mythologizes the nazi party. Normally Spock would jump in and correct such a bullshit statement. It was a military dictatorship and it's not like the people of Germany all prospered when they took power. A handful of corrupt wealthy people prospered and that's about it. But at least the trains ran on time, right? There isn't even any kind of message in the episode, which is what Trek was good at. How hard would it be to have Spock or someone else say that we need to be better at how we view history and the pitfalls that come from poorly interpreting the past? In 1968, WW2 was still very recent in the minds of a lot of people in the way that 9/11 is still recent to New Yorkers. Like others have already said, Shatner and Nimoy are both Jewish and George Takei would have had pretty fresh memories of living in a Japanese internment camp. They treated this like another "dress up" episode and missed the opportunity to critique the rise of fascism in an intelligent way.

Actuarial Lurker

I would have liked to see Scotty more in the Nazi episode- he was an actual WWII hero who was badly wounded as part of the actual D-DAY invasion. He was a Lieutenant in the Canadian military and was part of the second wave landing at Juno beach- he took out 2 snipers and led his squad through a field full of anti-tank mines- before being shot SIX times by friendly fire and surviving- 4 in the leg, one in the chest and one through his hand- he was saved because the chest shot was deflected by his cigarette case

Lintrinsic

Why am I not surprised Scotty has booze stashed in hiding places all around his quarters. 🤔

Owen Lange

Looks like the compressed crew members are 14-sided

Badger

The Patterns of Force -Due to the post-war German ban on Nazi-related imagery and paraphernalia, this was the only Star Trek episode that was not shown on German TV until mid-1990s, when these restrictions were gradually relaxed to allow for artistic expression. The headquarters of the Nazi Party in this episode are the redecorated offices of Paramount Pictures during the 60s, including the building where Lucille Ball ran Desilu. By Any Other Name The original script was much darker than the filmed episode. The Kelvans executed ten Enterprise crew members by opening the shuttlebay doors and letting them get sucked out into space. Kirk was put through "hellish torture". Also, crew members were chosen to mate with each other -Kirk was paired with pre-crushed Yeoman Leslie Thompson to eventually breed slaves to the Kelvans. Thank goodness Rojan didn't reform the red shirt girl after he powderized her. Kelinda - Barbara Bouchet had quite a career, mostly without clothes it seems...

mky

I'm totally speculating, but it's possible TOS borrowed Nazi uniforms from "Hogan's Heroes", which was also filmed at Desilu Studios during this period. "Hogan's Heroes" was a sitcom set in a German POW camp where the Allied prisoners based their sabotage and spy operations, under the noses of their Nazi captors, who were depicted as buffoons.

Simone's Coconut Squire

I'm pretty sure the whole "being written as it was being filmed" is more or less an entertainment urban legend. I remember hearing the exact same thing about the original Douglas Adams and the original Hitchhikers Guide radio show, and I heard this back in '95. So yeah, I'll put dollars to donuts that "being written as it's being filmed" is a bit of an exaggeration.

Kurt Hockenbury

Alternate Earth, Earth clones, and time travel episodes have the advantage of being cheaper to film, as they can use sets, props, and costumes the studio already owns.

Kurt Hockenbury

The energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy that Kirk says "we've been there" is the one that gave Gary Mitchell silver eyes and godlike powers.

Eddy V Ruiz II

For Season 3 you should do the remastered ones. They went out of their way to not change the cheesiness but just upgrade the graphics i.e. orbiting a planet and not a marble, upgrading the exterior shot so there are more than just 3

Darin Foat

Rewriting episodes during production isn't ideal, but it certainly happens. David Milch was notorious for rewriting episodes of Deadwood on the fly during production. Several members of the cast have related stories of working all night to memorize their lines, only to be handed new pages when they got to set in the morning. Milch would even improvise new lines during scenes, sometimes giving lines of dialogue to background actors. A couple of these actors even became recurring characters after Milch liked their performance. It was a chaotic process that produced some really outstanding stories. But it also caused delays and cost overruns, and contributed to the show's cancellation.

simon brouillard

1961 Judgment at Nuremberg, 1968 Planet of the Apes

Sergio Meira

'Space nazis'... Will you be surprised if I tell you this is not the last time you'll see space nazis in Star Trek?

Sergio Meira

Wow. What would Captain Picard say.

MacGuffinStuff

Every time Kirk does that neck chop I hear Austin Powers "Judo chop!" I knew I recognized the red skirt from "By Any Other Name", but couldn't remember from where, turns out her name is Julie Cobb and she's had mostly small parts in too many TV shows to count in every decade since the 60s, up to 2020. But what I really remembered her from was a small but funny part in Albert Brooks' "Defending Your Life", which is one of my favorites you guys gotta watch some day. Oh yeah and I hear SNL is pretty chaotic with changes being made right before actual recording. And I heard that sometimes on Seinfeld they'd make quick changes to the story, and once Jason Alexander (George) learned an impressive amount of new dialogue, perfectly, within a half hour. Also, I wonder who would be worse, Space Nazis or Aqua Nazis?

Astraeos

Chat folks, have the duo talked about rolling this Star Trek momentum straight into The Next Generation so George can finally see that too? Just curious if that has been talked about at all, I haven't been following this TOS run.

Sergio Meira

I just love episode 22. Not Sophie Turner kissing Kirk, and then Rojan asking her what she wants, and she's like, well, he is interesting, but I think I owe you an apology, and kiss-kiss-kiss. Damn, Rojan is one lucky fellow. and Not Sophie Turner is the sassiest I'm-just-doing-research lady in all space operas. Scotty, as any self-respecting Scot, hides booze all over his quarters. And he talks to the bottle: 'yes, we did it!' Jesus, I laughed so hard the first time I saw that. George saying 'are there any other parts we can press together?' really made me wish Not Sophie Turner had said that. Can you imagine Kirk's face, or Spock's, or Bones'? :-)

Simon Pegged Me

I agree with you. This episode mythologized the lore surrounding Nazi Germany and failed to criticize it properly. In that sense, Pattern of Force is very un-Trek. It's seems unlikely that one of the most lauded historians of 23rd century would conclude hat the Nazis presented the most successful and efficient model for organizing a diverse society, that all it needed to perfect society was a better Führer. It seems even more unlikely that a Vulcan, viewing Earth history as an outsider, would draw the same conclusion. Accepting the premise, you have to ask if the Nazi government was the best in Earth's history and a person driven by logic and stoicism concludes that that is objectively the case, why isn't Earth presently a Nazi dictatorship? why isn't Vulcan? the Federation? It's simply a bad premise, poorly executed. I can see why the writers would want to have a Nazi-based society episode. After WWII, fascism and Nazism were hot research subjects in the Western universities. When Hannah Arendt's covered the trial of captured Nazi Adolf Eichmann for the The New Yorker in 1961, the question really popped into the cultural discussion of the general public. Stanley Milgram's experiments on obedience found inspiration in the portrayal of Eichmann as the average person serving the Reich and the Führer, and his work was so thought-provoking that it remains a part of pop culture today. That was the early 60s, so I can see why artists in the late 60s would want to explore the subject. This was just the wrong take.

Simon Pegged Me

Bones's face would be unchanged. It would have the same lecherous smirk it always has when there's a woman in the room. I'm just sorry he wasn't sent to the bridge to stimulate Drea, the navigator/helms woman instead of Hanar, the engineer. Now, we may never know what a 23rd century smoking jacket looks like (because if anyone in the 23rd century has one, Bones does, along with a Horga'hn, he picked up on Risa).

gfixler

Maybe not straight into, but yes, they are planning to keep going. George was surprised (more like flabbergasted) by how many episodes there are of TNG (178, IIRC), but I think a fair number of us, myself included, hope they do all of them anyway, even if it requires some good breaks between seasons.

StonyD

The Nazis were still your standard bad guys in the 1960's but the world was still close enough to the events of WWII to be able to parse them without hysterics or a hyper-sensitive media/audience freaking out because they dared to show actual history without some type of controlling commentary. People still had no problem seeing the Nazi symbols or footage, in as much as they knew they were the bad guys and bad guys lose. There was no agenda to this episode, no absurd attempts at comparing it to "modern America", etc. They were people who subbed to a bad ideology and they are shown to be wrong/evil/defeated in the end. And the entire reason for their use is only because it was readily available on the studio lot. That's it. I find many modern viewers attempt to find some "good" or "bad" for them using Nazis at all, when that's all projection. This episode is exactly what you see and nothing more.

punterjoe

Simone; Some folks have postulated that Trelane from season 1 exhibited Q-like behaviours and could have been a member of the continuum. I suspect he's really just a proto-Q and inspired TNG writers - consciously or subconsciously to develop the character for that series.

Astraeos

Heck, I'd be fine if they just did it like Popcorn in Bed, and only watched the top of highlights of TNG. But this is great news. Almost since the beginning of this channel I have wanted George to see TNG. I can't wait for whatever comes of it.

Astraeos

Some more classics on the channel would be great. I'll throw in The Great Escape, Logan's Run and Soylent Green.

gfixler

I got to see that rewriting things on the fly thing, because my college buddy ended up a writing consultant on The Wizards of Waverly Place, and he eventually got to write an episode, so I went with his wife to sit in the audience and watch the filming, which takes like 3-4 hours for the 30 minute show, possibly longer if things aren't working out. In the restaurant set, they redid several lines. After they cut, writers would chat with the director, and quickly scribble out things on clipboards, and walk them over to Selena Gomez, and/or David Henrie, who'd read through the changes, walk around talking to themselves, committing things to memory, then hand back the clipboards, get back into position, as hair & and makeup, and other random people left the set, and we'd watch the same little 30 second shot or scene play out again, with new dialogue.

gfixler

I also used to work for a game company in the same little building as South Park. I lost my keys once, and was looking in all my car windows, trying to see if they were in there, and a guy who was outside smoking asked if everything was okay, and it was Adrien Beard, voice of Tolkien Black. We would see their whole writing team, like 15 people, all outside around the building's fire pit lounge area sometimes, all with notebooks, talking and writing. When they had that person threaten them over their depiction of Muhammad, we ended up with two MIBs at the front gate for something like a year. I had to check in with them every morning, until they got to know me well enough to just wave me through. Living and working in LA is weird.

gfixler

And the Vulcan hand sign is an old Jewish symbol, too, suggested by Nimoy in the episode where they went to Vulcan and met the most important Vulcan woman. He saw it in a temple service as a boy.

Lintrinsic

T'Pau. Who later had a pop band named after her in the 80's

Thomas Larsen

I cant wait for tng and ds9 and voyager and enterprise and lower decks.... hmm guess you have some work to do *whipping the content creators* faster! faster!

Nicholas Bielik

In response to George's question about what show was being written as it was being shot--one possibility is Babylon 5. The show was created by J. Michael Straczynski. From season three, Straczynski essentially started writing almost every episode due to the fact that he didn't have time to work with other writers to develop their scripts. It was just easier for him to do write the scripts himself. This occasionally led to a situation where he was writing literally feet away from where the same episode he was writing was already being shot. Interestingly while far from ideal, the pressure cooker of that situation sometimes yielded some amazing writing (though there's a few clunkers in there too). Babylon 5 has janky effects, a limited budget, and some odd creative choices, but its expansive vision has rarely been equaled in science fiction television. Those pressure cooker seasons were probably the best of the entire show largely due to the fact that the show was a very personal vision of one person--something that Star Trek, for example, could never really be.

Nabikon

There's this Canadian band I love called The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets, that uses bits of 'By Any Other Name" in one of their songs. They mostly do Lovecraftian songs and their live shows are awesome from what I've seen online.

Geoff Richards

The comment of "It's uh... green" is referenced in a certain TNG episode. I had no idea it was a reference to TOS.