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Better Call Saul 309-310 (Patreon)

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Maiki

Perfect way to end 2024. Thank you, George and Simone. And thanks for all the joy, laughs, tears and silly moments throughout the year. Happy New Year to everyone. All in all good bunch of people in here. Sometimes you guys vote for weird stuff, but that's ok :)

Redrum Ritual

Next is Squid Game season 2. I'm already five episodes in. I hate it's only 7 episodes in season 2

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

Happy New Year from the Aussie future as it hits midnight in 15 mins from now haha. Keep being awesome everybody!

Tiago Ferreira

George called Kim's accident perfectly.

neez duts

so my opinion really is that both jimmy and the lawyers are playing the elderly folks off against eachother. Jimmy gets his money now if they settle, and the lawyers get more money the longer THEY wait. it's disturbing how theyre all taking advantage of the elderly but i feel like settling earlier would be more beneficial to them in the long run but jimmy absolutely went the wrong way about it. edit: im not versed in american law so i could be wrong altogether.

Helly R

George, yes, you are right it is the same bottle that Gus used to poison the cartel, and it's also the same one that Viktor and Giselle used for the scam in S2E01.

Dragonhunter

I love how that crash was executed with that Jumpcut.

Jeff K.

Can you confirm, from the future, that the world does not explode as the clock strikes midnight?

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

I can indeed but perhaps this is an alternate timeline I’m responding from…

Stephen Stone

The show primarily takes place in 2002 - 2004, 4 - 6 years before Breaking Bad. With the acceptance of flashbacks and future scenes (black and white stuff). There's a store called "Krazy 8" in the mall when Jimmy gives Irene the shoes. I think I read somewhere that that's the same Mall they used to film the Gene scenes. Season 3 episode 8 was titled "Slip". Season 3 episode 9 is titled "Fall". So together, it's Slip and Fall.

Dan

Lmao your faces as they roll credits! Yeah, we were all there! Classic Breaking Bad, cut to black when your brain can't comprehend the audacity to do so.

BangDroid

Starting to think George has some psychic abilities the way he can predict things almost perfectly well in advance

Olli

Sandpiper had only given their first offer. Hamlin said that if given time to negotiate they can get way more money. Even Kim was surprised when Jimmy told her about the settlement because she expected the back and forward to reach an agreeable sum to take way more time.

neez duts

That makes much more sense thank you!

8bitAndy

Unfortunately, no one was ever going to visit Chuck to see all the holes he put in the walls and have him committed. The only people to look in on him the entire show (without being asked/paid to do so) were Howard and Jimmy. Once he severed both those relationships, he had no one left.

Jon Johns

Happy new year Simone & George! (And the entire Patreon community!)

Superpotroast

Chuck's power was his mind and that's what ultimately destroyed him.. After his whole frenzy, I feel like he sorta came back to his own mind and realized what he'd done and that there was no hope for him, especially considering he had burned all his bridges and was alone..A sad end to a character that we kinda viewed as an antagonist to Jimmy but even in our dislike or disdain for him, we didn't want that sort of end for him..The whole scene of him descending into madness is always so chilling to watch..RIP Chuck.. I feel like Jimmy actually liked the seniors but he knew he'd gone too far and had to bite that bullet..But it's mostly a reminder that Jimmy isn't a good guy just because he's the main character..We still root for him, even though we know that in the background, people do get hurt from his antics.. And Howard actually gains some points for the end of this season, he's just done with the McGill brothers and he's doing what he can to protect his firm, even if he has to go into debt for it.. And poor, Kim..That breakaway cut to her accident made me jump so hard the first time I saw it..

TGrimace

Halfway through the series. And it keeps getting better and better. I can't wait for Season 4 to start!

ShadowStunts

Vince Gilligan is great but Better Call Saul was more Peter Gould's work. Especially after season three I believe it was all done by Gould and Gilligan only came back to direct an episode here and there.

Ben from Tenn

I think Jimmy did something to the electrical meter. Rigged it or something after Chuck said he never cared. Makes no sense why the meter kept running. Arggg I just wanna keep watching, great channel guys!

PIG

I've seen this several times but never looked up who's doing the horn with Chuck's demise. It really sells the scene and never realized that the musician might be improvising with the shots. I never even thought to look it up.

myinniemademedoit

Kim’s crash is one of the most terrifyingly realistic things I’ve seen on TV. I had a very similar experience driving on I-75 through Ohio at like 1am. I drifted off and woke up striking the median. Literally felt like I was awake 5 secs before

myinniemademedoit

They both can be spot on with their predictions sometimes. Makes the times when they’re insanely far off that much funnier.

Sergio Meira

From "Fall": Simone: "We knew this. Jimmy's not good, but this episode he was so annoying..." To quote his brother Chuck, Jimmy doesn't have malice; he pulls his tricks, and then there are bad consequences, and he feels regret. "He cries sincerely..." and he does. And I think you're right that there's a parallel with Chuck: again, you might say, the two brothers are more similar than either of them would like to admit. The scene between Nacho and his dad always breaks my heart. It's so poignant. This guy loves his son, and his son loves him back; and yet... look at how they end up hurting each other. And make no mistake, most of the guilt is Nacho's. But, like Jimmy (or perhaps Mike), I'm sure Nacho regretted so much the moment he became involved with cartel business when his father went "get out of my house" on him... And then Kim crashes into a rock. Damn. I was just as scared as Simone the first time I watched it, and I had the same suspicion as George: they're gonna kill her off, right? And the effect will be that Jimmy turns wholeheartedly into Saul?...

Sergio Meira

Again, whatever you can say about Jimmy... he was there for Kim, and he gave her all his time -- to the extent of collecting all her documents from the crash site. At night. Damn, I think he really loves her.

Sergio Meira

Again, whatever you think about Howard... this time he stood up to Chuck. To the point of possibly ruining himself financially to save the firm, to save HHM. And thinking about similarities between Nacho and Mike... Nacho got his father to take the bribe against his will, just like Mike did with his son Matty.

matan ron

I'm exited for this video. This season's finale is one of my favorites TV episodes ever!

myinniemademedoit

George, for timeline clarity, Kim’s movie binge fest was titled Relax-a-thon 2003 by Jimmy. So Fellowship was out for 2 years, and Hamlin’s Gollum reference is accurate.

Actuarial Lurker

Chuck was such a self righteous a$$hole- it was a relief to see him written off the show to move the story along....the only bad part of BCS was them belaboring the Chuck is jealous of Jimmy story for 3 seasons

Hunterrim

I knew you guys wouldn’t like the Jimmy and Irene subplot. Borderline elder abuse is painful to watch

s0rd3z

It's good to see that Patience retired from her little moon and took up mall walking after Captain Reynolds shot her horse.

Alan Pownall

Chuck's advice to Jimmy to embrace all his worst instincts only makes sense if you don't think he is capable of change or even moderating his behaviour. Saul would never have burnt himself to make an old lady feel better, so I think that idea is false.

Sergio Meira

George: "I didn't think he'd do it... I thought it'd be like an accident or something..." My thoughts exactly when I first saw Chuck's final scene. Again, whatever you may think about Chuck... that it was all his fault for focusing on his vendetta, or burning all bridges -- telling Jimmy, who even at this point was still like, "I can try [to be better]" (but Chuck just says, no, you'll never change, you just hurt people...) that he never really mattered that much to him...; making Howard, who had taken bullets for him and was still a loyal friend, end up being as fed up with Chuck as Jimmy pretends to be... -- and maybe it was Chuck's fault to a large extent... but... but... And how is he dying? Alone, having pushed away all the people who cared about him -- Rebecca, Howard, Jimmy --; all alone in the dark, he, who a couple of episodes ago was optimistic and wanted to have a dinner party with music and lots and lots of people at his house, and good food, and conversations... I guess at some level Chuck is aware that he, also, is 'bad.' Or has some evil in himself that he never had the courage to look at, so fascinated he was with the evil in his brother. Which means that Jimmy's prophecy from the first episode of this season came (partially) true: there is Chuck, dying alone, feeling all the symptoms of his Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity back, knowing that it is all in his mind, and his mind was his greatest asset, his greatest weapon, the thing he was most proud of, and now his own mind is failing him, betraying him, leaving him alone, too, in a sense... No Rebecca... No children, no future, and even the law, which he so much respected, written all over those books that ended up just being fuel for the flames that consumed him and his house... Damn, at that moment, I wished I could have given Chuck a hug. Maybe that would have been enough. But, mostly through his own doing, Chuck was now all alone. Alone in the darkness, lost in his mind that he himself no longer could trust, he looked as naked and vulnerable as a man could be. I wished he could have had the help he deserved. Jimmy, be it said in his defense, tried one last time to give him this help. He went there and apologized. And that wasn't enough. Chucked lived in a world of absolutes, so if he now lost his place at HHM -- while all Jimmy got was a one-year suspension, meaning he will be a lawyer again after it... then let's stick the knife a little deeper and twirl it around a bit, shall we? No Jimmy, you never mattered to me. All you do is hurt people, and then you feel regrets, but it's too late. And you'll never change, and there's nothing I can or could have done, because it's just in your heart, in your DNA, the evil streak is there, nothing I can do, nada, zilch. Jimmy doesn't even answer. He just leaves. And he tries to make amends. He corrects what he can, to the point of destroying his chances of ever working in elder law again. After his 'involuntary' confession, what old people would ever trust him? (That's when you can see that even if Jimmy was Slippin' Jimmy, there was something in him people could have worked with. He cares about people, in his own way. Look how he took care of Chuck, and is now taking care of Kim, to the point of simply giving up the office he had dreamed about for her, and even wanting to ease her burden by accepting responsibility for her accident. But with Chuck dead... how can Jimmy undo this? If he blames himself even a little for Chucks demise, how can he ever escape this guilt?) I'm no big fan of Charles Lindbergh McGill, Jr. But this episode... brought tears to my eyes, and in the last scene I was almost begging him to stop, there are other ways, there are other things he can do, he doesn't have to go under just because the symptoms are back, Dr. Cruz had told him this could happen, surely there is some other... Ah Chuck, damn, I'm so sorry...

Noel Valdez

Don hector said, “fuck Elideo, AND Bolsa AND whatever the last guys name is. Lol” it wasn’t a direct translation “con” means “and.” “Puta, or puto is fuck.” “Also, Jimmy is a bad guy, idk if this makes me seem bad I felt bad for the old lady but thought the scene was so funny the first time I saw it. The whole scheming not when she cries. Lol”

Rob Bob

This it it. Chuck's death breaks one of Jimmy's last major connection to the professional, proper legal world. All he has left is Kim. Knowing how he is in breaking bad, this event marks a big step forwards in that direction.

Noel Valdez

What Jimmy did is bad and shitty and selfish, but honestly I end up being more upset at her caddy friends than him even though he’s the one who brought it on. Lol

Noel Valdez

Chuck to me is such a cool character that its hard for me to let him go. Lol I hate the guy but I like how he perfectly calls out Jimmy but cause we like Jimmy we don't want to believe it. But I think the whole show sort of has him as a background force from here on out. He's a dick but overall hes 100% right. (I just love this show so much sorry. Lol)

Justin Leone

Yeah, I'm sure Jimmy assumed that they'd get upset and then talk it out with her so she'd do right by them, LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE! But NO! WISHFUL THINKING!

Jay S

Happy new year Simone and George! Thanks for all the hard work and looking forward to all shows/movies coming this year!

Justin Leone

The conversation between Jimmy and Howard in the parking garage always frustrates me. Howard is absolutely right about Jimmy's motives, but that doesn't change the fact that Jimmy is 100% right. It's just wrong to make elderly people hold out for years for a higher settlement. Meanwhile, Howard, a relatively young and wealthy man, has the luxury to hold out for more. Jimmy is transparently desperate, but Howard is just as transparently greedy. Neither one has selfless motives, but at least Jimmy's best interests align with those of the class action members, and Jimmy should have been able to make that case better.

Justin Leone

I doubt that was the implication. I think it's either all in Chuck's head, or if we really want to assume that what we're shown is actually happening exactly as we're shown it, it could be a bug that Mike planted drawing power. Jimmy screwing with the meter would probably be beyond his capabilities, and not entirely in character for him. His schemes always have a very deliberate intention. Just screwing with Chuck out of petty revenge isn't really his style. And there's also no reason to think Chuck would even notice. When Jimmy sees him, his electricity is back on.

Villa Lobos

Happy new Year Simone and George and all the paterons! 🎉🥳 I really hope you enjoy Shogun but ugh this next season of BCS is my favorite especially when you’re introduced to the best character on the show. No spoilers

Homestar

You aren't wrong, but considering the position Howard is in, I can understand feeling an amount of responsibility to hold out in the interests of keeping HHM afloat as well. I don't think it's as simple as just greed, even if it is a morally questionable decision. That's just my read on it though.

Redrum Ritual

You two are lucky you only wait a month to see the next season. We all had to wait a year for the new season. AMC had two shows like Talking Dead and Talking Saul where actors and at times the creators of the show meet up and talk about either the season premiere, Mid season, and season finale in front of an audience . No spoilers, but they would discuss what they think would happen next after watching the season premiere, another episode mid season, and then after the season finale. Does Chuck snap out of it and runs out of the house? Maybe Howard or a neighbor runs into the house and saves Chuck? What happens next with Nacho and Gus, etc. All different guesses including live messages from fans. Talking Saul shows were a lot of fun. You get to see the actors as themselves and not their character. Happy New Year everyone

Josh

The final episode was the one that really made me hate chuck. That line about never cared much for jimmy always gets me. Hits a little close to home but to say that to your brother who’s idolized you and took care of you was just one of the lowest things you could say. Jimmy is a good person. He never intends to hurt anyone but they end up hurt. Jimmy isn’t even close to being compared to Walter white. They go about things very differently

Ste Rawlings

Jimmy is absolutely not a good person. "He never intends to hurt anyone" is fine for like once or twice but when a good person sees that their actions have hurt people, they change. It's our actions, not our intentions that define what kind of people we are.

Ste Rawlings

George's ability to pick up on smaller details and make really good guesses about the plot is otherworldly. His sense of what year shows and movies take place is hilariously bad.

Deadly Ramon
>>159909708

Spoiler alert: Superman flies in at the beginning of Season 4 to rescue Chuck from the flames. He's accompanied by Batman and Wolverine.

Deadly Ramon (edited)

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2026-09-05 05:00 I still think Howard's a piece of shit. The scene where he is confronted by Jimmy and treats him like a panhandler shows how little regard he has for Jimmy's elderly former clients. Prolonging the legal proceedings to increase the total compensation might increase the payout per patient by a few hundred dollars but would benefit the law firm by millions, meanwhile at least some of the patients will die of old age before they even have a chance to enjoy the money to which they're entitled. I was glad to see him fighting with Chuck and having to make great financial sacrifices to forcibly evict him from HHM.
2025-01-01 01:00

Adam Vialpando

I love how much Howard is just sick of both Chuck and Jimmy's crap. Howard always grew on me as the show went on. Especially once he starts letting down his lawyer face.

Josh

That’s one interpretation. I actually know someone like jimmy who’s very close to me. She’s always tried to do what’s best for people but ends up backfiring even when she knows it ends up hurting people she tries to fix it and makes it worse. That’s jimmy. He’s not trying to hurt people but when he does he try’s and fixes it but it backfires. On top of that he doesn’t expect people to get so hurt with some of the things he does like manipulating the old ladies or switching chucks numbers. He knows it’s wrong but he’s not intending on them getting hurt or for things to go so bad. Then when he finds out how bad things got he try’s fixing them. Basically he’s got good intentions but he does the wrong things. He’s not at all like Walt who’s just evil

james repka
>>159909708

In real life S3E10 aired on June 19th 2017. S4E01 premiered almost 14 months later on August 6th, 2018.

james repka

In episode 8 you both noted the abrupt cut when Kim took a nap in her car. It was a brilliant cut, and foreshadowed the cut when she has her accident in 9. I was anxious before that moment, but then again I'm always anxious when people are driving in movies or tv shows -- no matter what the scene is about, if the camera stays on the driver's face for more than a few seconds I'm anticipating and accident or collision. ----------------------------- In the Jimmy -v- Chuck discussion. I'm more sympathetic toward Jimmy. Chuck is right that his brother took money from the till at his father's store, but he's wrong that Jimmy took $14k. It's clear that his dad was a bad businessman and practically gave money away to scammers all the time. Chuck's treatment of Jimmy did as much to push him toward becoming Saul as anything else -- you can say "Chuck was right" but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy IMHO. He did everything he could to stop Jimmy from practicing law, and did it always in a deceitful way. I kind of knew Chuck wasn't going to get better when he told the Doctor that he wanted to have parties and celebrations at his house with his friends and colleagues. It's quite clear that Chuck never had the time or inclination to make friends, nor did he have the knack for it -- That Jimmy could make friends easily and was comfortable in social situations, that was the main source of Chuck's animosity. Howard reminds Chuck at the end that he has been motivated of late only by personal vendettas, against Jimmy, against the Insurance company, and finally against HHM and Howard. Illness or no, Chuck finally drives away everyone that could have helped him in the end, finally succumbing to his personal demons. And as we saw in Breaking Bad, Gilligan and Crew are strong believers in Karmic Justice.

Robinson vs. Parkinson's

I would like to use this forum to publicly apologize to Howard for all of the times I thought he was an asshole. You sir, have some integrity my man. This show writes some amazingly lifelike characters.

Guy-on-Couch

I totally forgot about Howards Gollum line...fucking hysterical and spot on description of Jimmy....I love Howard...man there are some amazing episodes coming and I can't wait for you to see whats coming, and Who,....best villain in BB/BCS universe incoming :)

Angzarr

I always thought she looked familiar but could never place her!

REDR58

Better Call Saul occurs roughly be between 2002 and 2004. The Lord of the Rings movies came out in 2001, 2002 and 2003 so there is a good chance Howard already saw The Fellowship of the Ring when he mentioned Gollum.

Khan1001

HAPPY NEW YEAR SIMONE & GEORGE & TO ALL PATRONS! Loved watching this 3rd season again! the show really hits its peak in S4 but really looking forward to Shogun next week, you guys are gonna love it! oh boy oh boy! Also, wondering if you will do Squid Game 2?, its only 7 episodes this time.

Silver Linings Starman

Kim's forms said "2005". So it would be pretty fresh off "The Return of the King" setting Oscar records

Deadly Ramon
>>159892935

I understand "puta" and "puto" to mean female and male prostitute, respectively. "Chingar" means to fuck.

Dan Holmes

Been dreading your reaction to this episode since you started Breaking Bad lol :)

Noel Valdez

That’s true but also curse words don’t have a direct translation. So puta has been used in place of fuck often but you’re more close. Lol

SpankTheMonk

Jimmy I don’t believe is a bad guy like Walt became. He did break completely into slipping jimmy or Saul by the end. But as his brother said he often does bad things for the best reasons and like Mike said to the pharmacy dunce, “I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves-you can be on one side of the law or the other”. We all want to easily place people into clear definitions of good or bad but often in life it isn’t that easy.

Sergio Meira

But I don't think his motivation was any kind of contempt for the clients -- but for Jimmy. Howard simply thought, Jimmy is doing this just to speed up his own payment. That's what Erin also believed, in the scene in which she could (maybe should) have noticed he was destroying himself for them. So I think Howards words can be entirely understood as he despising a lawyer who just wants his money faster. Jimmy has a different belief, of course: as he said with the peanuts scene, you're going to get more, but just a little, while HHM will make much more money. Is that true, though? (I'm actually curious -- if any lawyers among the patrons would like to opine, is Jimmy right? Was HHM thinking more of itself than of the clients?)

Sergio Meira

I'm in the middle. My idea is, Jimmy could be a good person. He has all the necessary pre-requisites. But like an alcoholic, he's addicted to his con game, and to bending the law slightly so things work out 'well'. I think he didn't have to end up turning into Saul Goodman. He could have been someone a lot better, someone like season 1 Kim even. But his life put him on the wrong path... Maybe that's the difference. I don't think people are "inherently" something, like they can never change fundamentally. I think they enter paths. Paths they can leave, but that they can also follow till they get to the final logical consequences.

Sergio Meira
>>159909708

Oh! I thought it was Homelander, who wanted to use the situation as pro-Vought propaganda.

Sergio Meira

I'm a little confused, not being a lawyer myself. Is it really a bad thing? Is Jimmy telling the truth here, or just exaggerating a bit for self-serving purposes? Would the clients really get just peanuts for waiting another year or two, or would their rewards increase substantially? If there are any lawyers reading this who know the law in this case, I'd love to hear their opinions.

Philipp Roensch

These episodes hurt, but they are also among the very best. I would not call ist just desserts, but more a reckoning for everyone, their actions, both selfish and well intended, bringing quite a few characters to their low points.

Philipp Roensch

A very happy new year and very much thanks for your engaged reaction to you guys!

Vwlss Nvwls

I have always lived in the southwest area of America, and I can tell you that the accident scene is very realistic. The roads are so serene that if you are already fatigued it is real easy to doze off, and I have many times. Luckily I never got into an accident, but I have dozed off a few times and waking was always a shock, and I am lost not sure how I got to where I was.

Tenn Seven

It's criminal that Rhea Seahorn never one an Emmy for this show.

Justin Leone

I don't think your assessment of Jimmy is entirely fair. What he did to Irene was unconscionable, but as is so often the case with him, the fallout was far worse than he anticipated. Just like when he sabotaged Chuck in season 2. He probably thought that Irene's friends would sit down with her and talk it out (like NORMAL people! Wishful thinking!), that she'd see reason and settle, and that everyone would get their payout. Jimmy is careless, like a chimp with a machine gun, and he can't help hurting people. Chuck is right about that much. But where Chuck is wrong about Jimmy is in the shallowness of Jimmy's remorse. He genuinely doesn't want to hurt people. He stole Mesa Verde for Kim. And when he saw how much he hurt Chuck, he risked his law license, his relationship with his brother, and his freedom, to try to help Chuck. We saw the lengths he went to in Season 1 to keep Craig Kettleman from spending 30 years in prison when he could have taken their money (either as payment for representing them or via theft). And in this last episode, he knowingly sacrificed his career, and put off getting a 1.2 million dollar payout that he sorely needed, to undo the damage he did to Irene's friendships. The bad things he does are often far worse than he realizes at the time, but the personal sacrifices he makes to undo them shows that his remorse and empathy are genuine. At least for now. He still has a ways to go before he becomes the Saul that we know from Breaking Bad.

Justin Leone

I don't think Ramon implied that Howard had any contempt for the clients, and clearly he has contempt for Jimmy. And he's not entirely wrong about Jimmy's motives. But ultimately, Jimmy's motives shouldn't be relevant because he's right, regardless. Meanwhile, Howard's being motivated by greed himself. Perhaps it's a selfless greed, made on the firm's behalf rather than his own (a greedy man wouldn't pay millions of his own money to protect HHM), but the way he doesn't even try to argue against the point Jimmy is making, that settling sooner rather than later is better for his elderly clients, and instead goes right in to attack Jimmy's motives, is extremely shitty.

Dan Holmes

they had the same issue understanding Walt throughout the entirety of BrBa not that Jimmy is the same, but the nuance of the characters is easy to overlook i guess

Justin Leone

Ginge, I think you're taking an overly cynical view of Jimmy. You seem to assume he can anticipate the extent of the fallout from his actions. And realistically, most of the bad things we've seen him do would NOT have such dire consequences. If Chuck acted like a "normal person", his "mistake" would have been an embarrassing inconvenience that lost him a client (that he didn't really deserve in the first place). If Irene's friends had acted like adults, rather than catty school children, they'd have talked to Irene and told her to think about their needs and the situation would have been easily resolved (to all of their benefit). Obviously what Jimmy did was terrible, but it's not because he's a bad person, it's because he's an irrepressible optimist who envisions positive outcomes for the people he thinks deserves them, and is blind to the extent of the collateral damage he might cause (and of course that collateral damage is amplified to ridiculous degrees because that's what makes for more interesting drama). And the kicker is that when that collateral damage is laid out before him, he is repeatedly shown to be willing to sacrifice huge amounts of money, his reputation, his career, and potentially his freedom, to undo the damage he's caused. He could have walked away with the Kettleman's money, but turned it all in to keep Craig from spending 30 years in prison. He could have gotten away with sabotaging Chuck but came clean for the sake of Chuck's sanity. And in Lantern he deliberately threw away his career and his client base, publicly humiliated himself, and put off getting 1.2 million dollars that he sorely needed, to undo the damage he did. If Jimmy deserves all the negative credit for the unintended consequences of every bad thing he does, why would he not also deserve the positive credit for the self-sacrificial things he does?

Deadly Ramon

The song played at the mall when Jimmy is first seen mall-walking is by Boz Skaggs, called "Lowdown." Boz Scaggs was revealed in Breaking Bad to be Walter White's favorite musician. Skyler never heard of him, though.

RabidMango

I've seen murders, deaths, all terrible things imaginable if film and TV. I am NOT okay with what Jimmy did to Irine. it's the worst thing I've ever seen.

MarisoL

Doesn't it seem like Chuck could be neighbor with Jesse? The neighborhood looks familiar.

RabidMango

She's the best. (period). I'll watch anything she does from here on out no question.

RabidMango

Just as a suggestion, no spoilers. The Villigang (creators of BB and BCS) have a two season deal with Apple TV+ at a budget of 14m per episode staring Rhea Seahorn coming out next year. The most info I found is Villigan said he's over the anti-hero and might explore his X-Files roots.

shaneth138

Not sure why you guys were so appalled by Jimmy trying to celebrate with Kim. He was trying to get her to relax and unwind like you guys also were wanting her to do. Obviously the stuff with Irene was reprehensible but just don't feel like he did anything wrong with Kim idk.

Wrencher86

Is there a date for when Shogun will be premiering on the channel? Looking forward to it and was just wondering if anyone knew. Would also like to take an opportunity to shill for Andor, if they haven't seen it already.

Mantis

Good catch.....the filming locations are a couple blocks from one another.

Joe Lazarus

I couldn't have said it better. If I say the toilet is clogged I’m right but only because I jammed a roll’s worth of paper towels into it. Telling someone who admires you that they are a piece of shit and will never change will probably result in them believing they are a piece of shit and as a result won’t change. If they don’t change you weren’t right, you were a contributing reason to why they didn’t change. All it would have taken for jimmy to change was for chuck to believe in him for once. his refusal to accept his growth was in part based on Jimmy's history and Chuck's experience, but also in part out of simple jealousy. He couldn't let Jimmy have the one thing he had that he felt put him above jimmy. His jealousy, resentment and hate twisted him to destroy Jimmy and set the entire path of the show in action.

Joe Lazarus

Yeah, except Howard should've shown some of that integrity in the beginning when Chuck was sabotaging his brother. Instead he decided to play along with Chuck UNTIL it started affecting him. Sorry, i'm not so easily sold on Howard.

Adam Vialpando

True, Howard's no saint. Nobody is in this show. Howard took Chuck's side because he knows and respects Chuck. Although he liked Jimmy he wasn't as attached to him. So he went along with it. It was a shitty thing to do. Howard's biggest flaw is that he is easily led by those he is close to. He wanted to go out on his own, but his dad convinced him to join the firm. He had no personal beef with Jimmy, but stood in his way because it's what Chuck wanted. He tried to make amends by vouching for Jimmy with David and Main, but it doesn't absolve him. All season long he constantly tried to talk Chuck down from his personal beef with Jimmy, even telling him not to testify because it was too personal. This season is where Howard snaps. He stops being a yes man that defers to Chuck for answers. He knows he screwed Jimmy over but also finally sees what Chuck saw in him, how low he would stoop. He also finally sees Chuck for the miserable asshole he is. He finally sees how much the Mcgill brothers suck and finally takes a stand instead of being a dumbass asshole. He is neither a saint nor an evil villain. He is Howard Hamlin.

Adam Vialpando

Forgot to mention how much of a petty asshole Howard was with Kim. Total douchebag energy there.

SpankTheMonk
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I think it is more about not getting a hint that Kim is under enormous pressure. The “selfishness” which Jimmy thinks and in some ways is beneficial for them both is a bit attention seeking. I get and understand the feeling the show pressed. If Jimmy was a bit more attentive he may have pressed to drive her as he often wants to help

shaneth138

Yeah I understand that but I just don't think it was THAT bad. In his mind he just made 1.6 million dollars so I don't think it's that crazy to want to celebrate with the one he loves. And he even said to her that it's a win for both of them and basically that she can now relax because she doesn't have to hold the weight of their office. Simone and George were acting like he was being a monster to her or something (which is fine, they're usually pretty spot on with their interpretations) Kim was just being self destructive. She was being far worse to herself than Jimmy was in that scene.

Maiki

First episode(s) should be released on tuesday the 7th.

Die Vernon

This show gets epic from here on!! Bring on the next 3 seasons

Ste Rawlings

" If Chuck acted like a "normal person", his "mistake" would have been an embarrassing inconvenience that lost him a client " See, this is what I hate. Jimmy went out of his way to commit an incredibly serious crime that proves he should absolutely not be a lawyer, yet people want to focus on Chuck's reaction. "If Jimmy deserves all the negative credit for the unintended consequences of every bad thing he does, why would he not also deserve the positive credit for the self-sacrificial things he does?" If I repeatedly drive whilst under the influence and eventually end up hitting a person but stop and hand myself in do I really deserve any credit for doing so?

sarCC

I remember you asking earlier about anything else starring Patrick Fabian ("Howard Hammlin") and just wanted to recommend the found-footage movie The Last Exorcism. He's very good in the main role as a preacher who performs exorcisms, or at least pretends. He brings along a camera crew to show what he does because he's decided to quit, but finds a "possessed" girl in a real bad situation and tries to help her. It's my secon-favorite exorcism movie!

Martin

You can tell by hes Beard chuck had been up for several days unable to sleep and always feeling électricity even tho he destroyed the meter and no électricity was coming in , in the end its hes refusal to understand that hes problèm is with jimmy and not electricity. Also when Jimmy first came to abq chuck was stil married meaning that thé fact that people loved jimmy more that him in hes own firm/Life probably Made him bitter and cause hes divorce . And thé final blow was jimmy passing thé bar …. Hes l’astuce World to jimmy "youve never really mattered that much to me" is thé ultimate state of denial…

Jeff K.

Another show, although he's not on it until the third season, that I'd recommend (though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Simone has already seen it), is Veronica Mars. He plays a pretty big role in the third season of that one.

sarCC

That's probably the first thing I saw him in, and yeah, he's good in that, too. That was a pretty mixed-bag season, though, unfortunately. Alot of missteps and miscalculations. Still loved everyone in it(except Piz).

JBK405

As many have no doubt already pointed out in many different comments, Chuck (for all his faults) predicted Jimmy's actions exactly. He does something self-centered, doesn't predict the extent of the fallout, and feels honest guilt and regret afterwards. Chuck points out that nobody cried longer or harder at their father's funeral, and Jimmy was desperate to fix Kim's exile in season two after the commercial fiasco, and now he's wracked with guilt over Irene. That regret isn't an act. But no matter how bad he feels each time, no matter how much honest atonement he tries for, it's never enough to keep him from doing it again the next time. The reason I prefer this series to "Breaking Bad" is not because Jimmy is a better person than Walt, it's that Jimmy TRIES to be a better person. He spends almost the entirety of season one TRYING not to fall back into his past. He fails, and since this is a prequel it was inevitable that he always going to fail, but he TRIES. It's only around here that we see him stop trying, and really embrace the darkness. Even though he still feels that same guilt.

JBK405

A comment I saw elsewhere online that really nailed how this show makes you feel empathy for specific circumstances, is that in a franchise with countless murders and drug dealing and bodies being dissolved in acid, it is a woman not being cheered when she wins at bingo that is the most heartbreaking event. Because the show SELLS the heartbreak.

David Caine

I don't think it's true, what Chuck said to Jimmy. "You've never mattered all that much to me" after every single thing Jimmy ever did for Chuck, as we saw at the beginning. If you rewatch the first episode of the show, it is extremely painful knowing what happens here, there is too much foreshadowing, from the brother's relationship, how it would all go down, to Chuck causing a fire here. Chuck knew that they were toxic to each other, Chuck knew that he resented his brother, Chuck knew Jimmy's nature and calls him out here, and it all proves to be true in Breaking Bad. Jimmy was given all the opportunities to go the straight and narrow path in life, we saw it, and he still failed. Why? Jimmy will always break the rules, he will always try to help Kim, and Chuck also tried to sabotage him at every turn. They are at fault for their own paths and each other's lives. "You've never mattered all that much to me" was Chuck's last attempt at severing all ties, and cutting off the ties of karma, at making the clean break so that they all would stop hurting each other. It was as much in a subconscious way as it was intentional. But it bothered Chuck, he knew he was an asshole to Jimmy, deep down, and it all manifested as it did, as we saw, Chuck cannot help himself either, like Jimmy and his actions, Chuck's resentment toward Jimmy is intrinsic to Chuck's self righteous nature. In the first season we see and are told Jimmy knows that his behavior triggers Chuck's responses, perhaps Chuck cannot cope with Jimmy's imperfection, with his "lowly" status of criminality, or cutting corners, of being "lesser." Chuck knows it's wrong not to love his brother, deep down in his mind, that it is wrong to hate Jimmy. And the guilt over that manifests as the mental illness that caused Chuck's downfall. There is a lot to analyze, a lot to interpret, this part of the show is extremely deep and ripe for discussion. Great television.

Marylou inProgress

God the stuff with Irene sucks so bad 😭 Even though he mostly puts it right in the end, it just leaves such an awful taste in my mouth. It's really unsettling how casually he stepped over such a big line. And obviously it's good that he feels bad enough to throw himself under the bus trying to fix it... I just really wish he was doing some reflecting on how he let himself do it in the first place. I don't just want him to be sorry; I want him to reconcile with his own capacity to pull something like that on a total innocent. And it sucks that he's really not doing that.

Marylou inProgress

I'm not sure either. I just assumed yt was somehow giving them trouble with that video but I'm not sure 🤷‍♀️ Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.