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Mistake in the video, George read the title of episode 4 during the start of episode 3, but we did watch the correct one, just wrong title read.

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dc

I'm still in the midst of watching, but I just finished watching Yesteryear (which was a great episode!) A couple tidbits: DC Fontana's full name was Dorothy Catherine Fontana. She went by her initials to avoid being prejudged as a writer on the basis of gender. She wrote some of the finest Star Trek episodes. You were correct that Majel Barrett voiced the historian and Amanda Grayson. But James Doohan was even busier in "Yesteryear": in addition to his usual Scotty, he also voiced the Guardian, the Andorian first officer, the redshirt historian that traveled with Kirk, the officer that spoke on the viewscreen to deliver the news of Spock's death as a young boy, the Vulcan Healer, AND the bird character! I really liked that they reused the Guardian of Forever from "City on the Edge of Forever" too!

Young Blood Priest

George the company that animated this series had a long run for over 20 years. From Batman and Robin in the 60s, Fat Albert in the 70s to He-Man in the 80s. They kept cost low by eliminating things like the whites of eyes and hair texture. They also reuse animations like talking, running and other action scenes. They’ll seem repetitive but these things were necessary for the budgets.

Young Blood Priest

Simone, wanting an introduction to the alien in the helmsman’s spot is valid but you have to remember this was a Saturday morning cartoon. I was 6 when this aired in 1973. While I can’t speak for every 6 year old I can tell you that I didn’t really notice the absence of Chekhov.

Actuarial Lurker

Simone and George: the show ran out of budget by the time they were negotiating with Walter Koenig who plays Chekov so they swapped in the alien in his place and had the other actors do several voices- you will hear Scottie and Nurse Chapel voicing lower level crew members and aliens

Actuarial Lurker

The animated Series WAS considered canon. Roddenberry himself tried to delegitimize it when the films and TNG came out and when he passed away the writers and fans restored TAS to canon. It is considered by MOST Trek fans to be the 4th season of TOS given the 22 episodes spread over two years are about the length of ONE season despite the shows bring only 20+ minutes long

Actuarial Lurker

Chekov's actor Walter Koenig is very shy and was reluctant to do the films

WayneC

Ship names often get reused. For example, there have been 11 Royal Navy Warships named Enterprise or Enterprize, the first being a French ship, L'Entreprise, captured in 1705, and 7 US Warships named Enterprise. The last two USS Enterprises were aircraft carriers - one from WW2 (CV-6), and the other the first nuclear carrier (CVN-65). CVN065 was decommissioned a few years ago, and a new USS Enterprise is under construction, due to be launched in 2028. There are several generations of starship Enterprise in Star Trek. The first was NX-01 from Star Trek: Enterprise. NCC-1701 is from TOS. NCC-1701-D is from TNG. Apparently up to -M now.

dc

Here's another interesting tidbit about the Animated Series: there was a Writers Guild strike in 1973, but the strike didn't extend to animated shows. DC Fontana recruited her network of sci-fi writers to write episodes of TAS, and that's why the show is so well-written. The show was low-budget, which accounts for the not-so-great quality of the animation as well as the reuse of voice actors. But I've been pleasantly surprised at how the stories overcome the budget restrictions. I agree about the faster pacing being a boon to the series—the TOS pacing can plod at times. This is my first watch of TAS as well, and it's definitely off to a good start. Also can we talk about the prodigious use of the wah-wah guitars in the three or four songs that the show apparently has? I love it.

Young Blood Priest

George I think your confusion comes by thinking there are several ships in the current fleet named Enterprise. TNG takes place some 70 years (someone correct me on the timeline cause I’m sure I’m wrong) after TOS. Also there have been other versions of Enterprise between the two series.

Mycenaeus

The Lorelei is actually a cliff at the river Rhine in Germany, that caused many a shipwreck. In 1802, writer Clemens Brentano published a poem about a witch that died falling from the cliff while yearning for a lost lover, taking three knights with her; in 1827, Heinrich Heine wrote another poem, that became very popular, depainting Lorelei as a siren-like maid sitting on the mountain top, luring crews into disaster with her singing.

Lintrinsic

Generally, if it appears on a TV show or movie it's considered Alpha Canon. If it appears in licenced media - books, comics, audiobooks, games etc it's considered Beta Canon. Beta canon is often superceded by Alpha, and contradicts even itself, but it is still considered secondary canon. It's like expanded universe for Trek Sometimes there's a push to decanonise stuff, IIRC I don't think it's ever been successful, certainly not permanently. (BTW, Alpha canon isn't exactly pristine) There's two websites - Memory Alpha and Memory Beta which are pretty much the definitive guides, but beware, full of spoilers.

REDR58

Whenever I see these characters with the whites of their eyes being flesh-colored, it reminds me of old action figures toys that were done this way, with the eyes painted on the flesh colored face, vintage Kenner Star Wars figures in particular!

Actuarial Lurker

Lincynity is correct about Alpha and Beta canon

Actuarial Lurker

Agreed the 48 minute TOS episodes had so much fluff that they really were 30-35 minutes shows so cutting back to 24 minutes wasn't that hard

Actuarial Lurker

TOS takes place in 2266-2269, TNG is in the late 2360s, DS9 and Voyager are 2360s to 2370s, the prequel Enterprise is 2150s and 2160s

Simone's Coconut Squire

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this but Majel Barrett (Nurse Chapel/Lwaxana Troi/Ships Computer) is in nearly everything Star Trek because she was Gene Roddenberry's wife.

Monica Alarcon

Yeah whenever you hear a male character who's not in the main cast it's most likely James Doohan (Scotty). This includes Arex. If you hear a female character including M'Ress it's most likely Majel Barrett (Nurse Chapel) and sometimes it's Nichelle Nichols (Uhura).

Monica Alarcon

Arex is an Edosian and yes, we see them again in Lower Decks.

Cory Garron

The only Star Trek I haven't seen... I'm most excited and apprehensive!

Bruce Woodcock

Gene Roddenberry said he did not consider TAS canon, and most of the fandom agreed for many decades. The only exception to this was "Yesteryear", which was written as a sequel to a TOS episode by DC Fontana. While not 100% canonical, the many elements of Spock's backstory and Vulcan's history were considered accurate. The animated series was expanded upon to represent years 4 and 5 of TOS in various non-canonical books and comics. Over the years, more and more references to places and events from TAS snuck into various live action Star Trek shows. Since Star Trek: Lower Decks came out, they have directly referenced events in TAS as canonical. Only then has more of the fandom started to accept the TAS as canonical, although there are still holdouts There are certainly some "wild" and "silly" episodes that are hard to explain in a way that is logical, but the same could be said for some TOS episodes as well. Basically, it's now broadly accepted that the TAS episodes did actually happen, but perhaps not quite as originally presented.

SpankTheMonk

I love how the integrity of the edit on Chekov vs Alien is off- animation is hard. Thanks to the below explanation- sorry for Walter missing out. Also they are still working out cannon and constancies. I believe others have mentioned that this and the syndication of ToS put Star Trek firmly in the consciousness of the greater society and led to the next series’s and movies (which Star Wars success helping the movies start). I really like the crew questioning the killing of the cloud. every cell (or most types) in our body may even be considered alive just no longer independent (like a sponge or siphonophore) needing the full organism to function in some degree so not just bacteria. Correct Lorelei, siren of Germanic mythology.

SpankTheMonk

I wonder if Majel Barrett got paid for each voice she did in addition to the computer and nurse chapel, same for James Doohan. I love how the women need to take over to help the crew and giving Uhura and Chapel more to do. I love this episode. Scotty’s enamored high look is great artistic work. Sirens don’t have great eyesight 🤷 Venus fly trap planet - nice George 🖖🫶. The pattern is just data so they keep a temp pattern in memory, also I love when they find many fountains of youth in the show by accident. They have an opportunity to try things in the animated series. To be fair many planets turn out to be problems the inverse of it is that the women planets are aligned and not the exception.

Thirty Year Old Mulberry Field

Permission to come aboard? Haven’t seen anything from the “Star Trek” franchise but how could I resist adding another watchalong to the week! And I never would’ve thought we’d get an animated show from the 70s into the collection! TV animation reached a whole new level of quality and production when Disney stepped into the game with “DuckTales” in ‘87, but I think there’s something incredibly charming about animated shows from the 60s and 70s. My personal favorite from that era being “Jonny Quest”. So it might get a little clunkly as you’ve seen so far (zoom outs/close ins during running, white of eyes being the same color as the face, etc.) but so far the background art was really cool and its very exciting to see the TOS team use the opportunity to explore crazy new worlds and character designs that wouldn’t have been possible with live action TV show budget limitations.

Eversharpe

Sentient sausage! Anyone else think of Red Dwarf?

overdev

cant wait for TNG and maybe the other shows

Skyruff Creative

I like how much you two have become attached to Chekov but don't forget ... he didn't join until season two of TOS. Even Sulu was just an on and off guest star in the first season. Although, you are touching on the fact that there is a lot of behind the scenes sh_tstorm that occurred to bring TAS to life. One being that Spock's and eventually Kirk's actors would not participate unless the supporting actors were allowed to join. Chekov was left off as a demand by the studio so they could add more alien crew to the bridge.

Skyruff Creative

Well said. Each story used in at least season one of TAS was a story or even script that was supposed to be used in the fourth season of TOS, thus TAS shows are used throughout the rest of star trek as cannon in concepts but not in execution/detail. For example, Gene Rodenberry was not directly part of the production.

Bruce Woodcock

This isn't entirely true. Roddenberry read all the scripts and "sometimes [added] touches of his own", but let DC Fontana make most of the decisions. Fontana is quoted as saying about Yesteryear specifically that she pitched the idea for the episode to Roddenberry for TAS, and he agreed.

Skyruff Creative

In the Star Trek history there are several ships called Enterprise. - - Pre-warp drive ships sea, air and space - - H.M.S. Enterprise, Enterprise-class frigate (sailing ship)- 1770s U.S.S Enterprise, (CV-6) Yorktown-class aircraft carrier - 1930s U.S.S. Enterprise (CVN-65), Enterprise-class aircraft carrier - 1960s Enterprise (OV-101), space shuttle orbiter - 1970s - - Starships (Starfleet : Pre-Federation) - - Enterprise (XCV-330) - pre-2150s Enterprise (NX-01), NX class - 2151 (Enterprise TV series) - - Starships (Starfleet : Federation) - - U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701), Constitution class - 2245 (TOS, TAS, movies) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-A), Constitution class - 2286 (movies) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-B), Excelsior class - 2293 (movie) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-C), Ambassador class - 2332 (book) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-D), Galaxy class - 2364 (NG, movie) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-E), Sovereign class - 2372 (movie) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-F), Odyssey class - 2409 (movie) U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701-J), Universe class - 26th Century (seen in Enterprise TV series)

REDR58

Episode 1 The Enterprise destroyed the derelict ship rather effortlessly given its much larger size compared to the Enterprise. But, I suppose they had to move things along quickly in this show… Episode 2 Of the 4 I enjoyed this one the most, due to the “moral” of the story. Episode 3 This reminds me of the movie “Fantastic Voyage” (1966). Episode 4 There is some nice-looking background and “set” artwork. The women were affected by something on the planet that changed them and allows them to consume the life energy of their men. It wasn’t something the women themselves did to them on purpose. The coolest thing about the episode is how all the Enterprise’s women took charge and saved the day. We will definitely see restoration by transporter again in a future series… I suppose that this is where that idea originated from. * * * * * Anyway, I understand the reasons for the cost-cutting and the relatively simple and recycled animation, but other than the details of the interior of the derelict alien ship in the first episode, and the look of the sets in the fourth episode, I find this show *very* boring to look at. The voice audio quality is also relatively poor and muffled. Majel Barrett, Nichelle Nichols and James Doohan are doing their best with the different characters (Nichols also voiced the Enterprise’s computer in the 4th episode) other than Chapel, Uhura and Scotty, but it’s very distracting to hear the same voices for so many characters. Again, I get the reasons why, but, ehhhh… The series was done rather cheaply and it looks it.

REDR58

It is a crying shame that Enterprise CV-6 was not saved and turned into a museum, given her amazing history in WW2. That was really wasted opportunity that will never come again. There are 5 preserved aircraft carriers used as museums in the US, 4 of which served during WW2 and none of them are in their then-wartime configuration, each having been heavily modified over the years. There will likely never be be another new aircraft carrier museum in the US, certainly no nuclear-powered ones. Unless the US somehow decides to preserve a retired amphibious assault ship, a sort of smaller aircraft carrier, what we have is all we will ever get. Large naval vessels are very expensive to maintain as museums and I suspect we will never see any new museum ships of significance again in general, other than the ships that already exist as museums. The requirements to do this as laid down by the US Navy are very onerous and the museum ships that do exist never have enough funding as it is. If a museum cannot maintain its ship, it can be repossessed by the Navy and disposed of. This has happened before. Enterprise CVN-65 was the world’s largest warship ever built and the world’s first nuclear-powered carrier in the US, but she will be scrapped. It’s too difficult to convert such large nuclear powered vessels to museums as cutting out the nuclear systems would basically destroy the ship, making it impractical to restore for the cost. She is the only ship of her class, the others to be built were cancelled.

Ginger

"Animation has come a long way, even handdrawn." As an animator, I have to object to that statement. ^^ Look at Disney films from the 30s-60s (Pinocchio, sleeping beauty etc.) This was the golden age of animation. On the contrary, these skills in classic handdrawn animation have sadly not sufficiently been passed on (as most of those Disney's famous "Nine Old Men" were somewhat shortsightedly reluctant to "create their own competition") and are more or less lost these days (adding to the ability to create 3D animation much cheaper.) What you're seeing here is very deliberately economically produced TV animation, like in saturday morning cartoons. These were still done by highly trained professionals who knew exactly what they were doing. But of course, you can't create Disney movie quality animation on a TV budget.