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Better Call Saul 608-609 (Patreon)

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lisa

just the most neurodivergent intro about communication trauma, lollll. i'm with ya, george!

robodong

George is who Nina Simone was singing about all those decades ago.

Sergei Tereshkin

well I think that Howard ending is very simple. It is just showing the unexpectedly brutal result of Sauls and Kims actions. Sometimes similar thngs happen in real life too, so it is kinda realistik. The whole pranks and games brought Howard to wrong place at the wrong time and nobody could have imagined that. And basically show should end somethow Howards arc... so kinda one plus another makes good ending for that character. Good in terms of the show and not fairnes as you mentioned, George hehe :)

Jeff K.

Agreed. It serves as a massive wake up call for Jimmy and Kim, but mostly Kim. It serves to underscore that they think they’re playing and having fun doing less than good things, only to realize there are very real consequences to those duplicitous actions.

Jeff K.

I read Howard’s death as serving the story in the sense of the writers telling you, “Hey, these two likable characters you’re rooting for? They’re BAD PEOPLE.” It’s a wake up call for both the characters as they understand that they’re punching waaaaaaay above their weight class and their fun and games weren’t such fun games, and to the audience to say, “Hey, you’ve been cheering on terrible people who hurt people.” (I love them both and Kim in particular is one of my favorite TV characters of all-time but they have clearly done awful, awful things and Howard’s death is their reckoning.)

newhastings

For the memorial scene they used real pictures from Patrick Fabian’s instagram, however they had to edit one of them because Tony Dalton was in one lol

Paul Davey

There's a reference to Lalo and Howard being buried under the laundry in Breaking Bad. After Walt and Jesse set the place on fire, Hank finds two buried bodies that will never be identified because their teeth did the "popcorn thing" from the heat of the fire.

Alex

Recommend checking out the book/audiobook "Saul Goodman v. Jimmy McGill: The Complete Critical Companion to Better Call Saul" by Alan Sepinwall -One chapter per episode so you don't have to wait until you've watched the whole season/series There is one called "Breaking Bad 101: The Complete Critical Companion" also by the same author.

Jeff K.

I’ll always upvote a Sepinwall recommendation. My favorite TV critic by a wide margin.

newhastings

Also fair warning: there’s gonna be a character that shows up that you will have seen before, but he had to be recast due to the original actor being unable to shoot because the show delayed with Bob’s heart attack

Philipp Roensch

Episode 8 man, truly f'ed fate for Howard. An impressive stunt from Gus though, and you are right, the music is truly dark in this episode. Now the bodies in the basement situation: you might get many comments like this - In BB the police find two bodies in the burned out lab, now this might be another plot loop back for BCS. BUT it more plausibly is just the two guards Walter shot there, and this grave stays hidden. There is no specific reason to dig in the unstable environment after the fire.

David

cant believe the bb universe is done in 2 weeks, will be interesting to see the next poll

Maiki

Simone, I think you're confusing Bolsa with the cartel boss in Sicario :) The latter got shot by Benicio del Toro at the dinner table after watching his family get killed. Bolsa was shot opening his front door while speaking on the phone with Gus.

ShōNuff3K

I don't know much about white people hair, but Simone's hair looks extra nice in this reaction.

Stugotz

Regarding the "realism" aspect, it's not binary is it? You can have fantastical and exagerrated characters in your story but also interweave it with realistic themes and story points. Sci-fi does it all the time. Just becuase there are certain "unrealistic" aspects to the show doesn't mean a character like Howard shouldnt get a "realistic" outcome to his story. The point of Howards fate is that it was supposed to be fucked up and it's supposed to make you feel horrible for him. His death is a direct a consequence of our main character's actions. Whether it's "earned" or not i feel is irrelevant. That's just my 2 cents. I understand why G and S feel this way though, it is a shocking thing that happened. Personally i thought Howards death was handled great, it was fucked up and shocking but to me it made perfect sense and fit in well with the events that were happening in the show.

Areokh

Gus was not really impressed by Jimmy talking out Lalo. Instead he just realized that, this is distraction, since it didn't matter for Lalo who does the shooting.

Stugotz

The bodies they find aren't Lalo and Howard, they are the two guys that Walt killed while he rescued Jesse after killing Gus.

Ira K.

So about that spinny thing with the can that Howard showed - I've actually developed a habit of always spinning the can before opening it after watching that episode! Howard and Chuck's wisdom lives on!

Paul Davey

After the lab was finished? Under already built hardened floor? Weren't't those guys put in a barrel?

StableVision

I think you misinterpreted the whole "Jimmy talked Lalo out of it" thing, Gus wasnt impressed with Jimmy, he just knew it was too simple for Lalo to be "talked out of it" by anyobody.

Sam C

I would suggest it’s not realism in the sense of “this is what happens in real life.” It is grounded in real life but the realism is more about “this is how these characters would actually act and respond based on the things happening.”

Vellu

The thick concrete floor would have survived the fire, so unless the officials had some reason to dig through it, Lalo and Howard are still resting in the soil under it with no one alive to tell about it. The two bodies (henchmen) inside the lab were part of Walts plan to fake his and Jesses deaths.

Inkpendude

Only Kim has that superpower. Although Jimmy talked Tuco out of killing someone one time, which is also insane

Chris B

Basically Gus realized it was just a smokescreen to distract them, as it didn't matter to Lalo who goes.

Stugotz

Paul Davey - No, right after Walt kills gus, he goes to the lab through the service elevator holding one of Gus's guys at gunpoint. The guy that was watching Jesse cook opens the elevator and Walt shoots them both. Jesse and Walt then destroy the lab. Those are the two guys the DEA find, all burned up and unrecognizable.

Paul Davey

Yeah, that makes sense. I assumed they were probing.

Phillyman!!

For the last 4 episodes they had to change the actor who play the cab driver who made Saul say the line. So if you’re think “who tf this supposed to be” it’s the cab driver

Stugotz

I've noticed that George also has an aversion to second hand embarrasemnt which I do too. It doesnt really bother me in movies and TV shows as those are scripted and I know the embarassment isn't real, but I cannot watch real life footage of people doing embarassing things, it makes me cringe so hard.

Ira K.

I love that they used this picture at his memorial lmao

Jonathan Eaton

George's "Nuke the Whales" really takes me back. In the 80's, my buddy had that for a bumper sticker. You see the weirdest things on a military base with nothing but thousands of programmers. One guy had a "Baby on Board" sign in his car window next to it a doll nailed through the head to a board. Military nerds are the best. 😂

Daniel Bjork

Episode 9, to me, is one of those episodes that really separates BCS from other shows. We get pretty much the wrap up to the Gus/Mike storyline, and its just so full of unspoken, subtle character moments its insane. One of my fav moments in the series is the scene between Mike and Nacho’s father. Two fathers who have lost their sons, literally standing on 2 sides of the same fence, and Nacho’s dad tells Mike “you’re all the same.” Mike’s whole journey is that yeah, he’s a “bad guy” but he’s not really a bad guy, he’s a moral criminal. And Nacho’s dad just takes a piss all over that.

lisa

all of the photos were him alone. it felt like such a sad statement

lisa

mike approaching nacho's dad at all--a callback to when he went to the support group, and the woman from SVU talked about how it fucked with her when they never found her husband or knew how he died. have to make good use of that abandoned plotline, lol

Thall

"It wasn't me, it was Ignazio!" First thing Saul Goodman said to Jesse and Walt once he realized he is being sat down in front of his own grave in the desert. Back when all he had to do was save Badger from jail. Edit: Lyle is a great employee, for the most part he got a boss that appreciates him and doesn't totally exploit him.. must feel nice!

K Murray

lmao Why are we debating the realism of the franchise to justify having a negative reaction to something you're supposed to have a negative reaction to?

Stugotz

I think for someone like Gus the money is incidental. He lives comfortably enough obviously, but I think for him it's being the boss and having that power is what drives him, not the money. He doesnt seem to care about having a large mansion with a pool and a bunch of cars and boats, all that shit is meaningless to him. Aside from revenge, his main ambition seems to be just running the drug game in the Southwest and maybe even expanding past that.

Stugotz

Honestly when i first watched this episode I didnt even realize they recast the role, i completely forgot what the guy looked like. I remembered his character but not his face.

Kevin

Not so fun fact: Bob Odenkirk nearly died of a heart attack while filming the scenes with Lalo and Kim in the apartment in this episode. Production was shut down for 5 weeks while he recovered.

Phillyman!!

True but just to be safe giving them a heads up. I saw other reactions on other channels get confused. But yeah they could forget about the actors face.

Actuarial Lurker

The two bodies found in the lab were the Gus henchmen that Walt killed. Recall, "What's the matter? Can't use the stairs?"

Actuarial Lurker

Don Eladio and the cartel ARE loosely based on real life...a mixture of Pablo Acosta Viareal and Amado Carillo Fuentes....

Actuarial Lurker

George is correct- they left of with Saul/Gene deciding not to run again. Simone- the cab driver is who Gene is thinking of running from- the driver who took him home FROM the hospital

Actuarial Lurker

We also see the human underneath Gus' facade- we get confirmation that he IS gay, that he is "flirting" with the male wine steward and then leaves when he realizes that he can't be tied to someone when he is a cartel boss. Gus also is obsessed with avenging Max and can't move on. We saw the same thing with Mike and Anita (the African American widow of the "Navy man") from the support group in season 5- he pushes her away since he can't be tied down and be in the life. Jesse tried and Jane and Andrea died as a result, Walter tried to hide his crimes from Skyler and it wrecked his marriage. Kim "gets it" and leaves- but Jimmy just resorts to prostitutes as we see in the flash-forward

Aaron

In the intro, Simone mentions wishing that there was a commentary with the showrunner, etc... With this show as well as Breaking Bad, AMC produced a companion podcast each week the day following the show airing. It's called the Better Call Saul Insider podcast. It's typically hosted by the editors and Vince Gilligan with the directors, actors and director of photography. I'd rush to that the next days after these episodes! Might be a fun listen for you. Especially for certain episodes.

Dragonhunter

What dou you mean done? There is still 6 episodes of Slippin' Jimmy!

Helly R

The end of Fun and Games breaks me. I love that Better Call Saul ended up being a love story. It wasn't planned or intended from the start, but somewhere along they realized that's what they were making. A frequently toxic and destructive one but there's real love there is well. It's great. It gives it a real different vibe to BB.

Helly R

Two really brilliant grace notes on the characters of Mike and Gus that really sum them up. Mike has a code but he's also a complete hypocrite - Nacho's Dad is right. And Gus deciding he can't let himself have a real relationship, or move on, and is instead consumed by his desire for revenge - and we all know where that ends up.

Helly R

The physical media has commentaries on every episode. They're on YT as well.

Helly R

Yeah, but it's also a device to motivate Kim to leave and thereby break Jimmy enough to turn into Saul. It's the "logical endpoint" of their actions, which is something that Breaking Bad does - actions have consequences. I still root for Kim in particular though, even if what she does in Fun and Games is absolutely despicable. I'm just glad she at least finally did learn something. Jimmy on the other hand, just can't deal with his emotions as always, and depressingly just backslides into Saul. We all knew it was coming, but what a gutpunch.

Chris DeLuca

Just watch the damn show and you'll understand why they did what they did with Howard

robodong

ya how dare they convey their feelings! what is this a reaction channel?? why dont they just sit and watch and not talk about their thoughts as its happening!

Jay Willis

not sure if someone else had mentioned it, but clarifying for George & Simone: in Breaking Bad, there was no actual connection between Saul and Gus. Saul worked with Mike who worked with Gus, Saul "knew a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy." (they removed that 3rd connection, lol). Saul never worked for Gus.

PrimitiveCruisingArtist

Somehow, I knew that. I think I saw it as a kid. That was a LONG time ago. Must've made an impact on me.

Adam Vialpando

There'a YouTube channel from a guy who watched BCS first and when he watched BB he made a note of how his viewing experience differed from others who watched it in release order.

Adam Vialpando

I've seen people forget the entire character before. The large gaps make people forget details from the Gene scenes.

Adam Vialpando

Gus was not impressed Jimmy talked Lalo out of his plan because he knows nobody talks Lalo out of anything. The fact Lalo so easily decided to use Kim instead showed that it didn't matter to him who went because it was just a distraction

Fipse

Jimmy asked Mike once when he would stop thinking about the ambush and all the horror her witnessed. Mike told him one day he would get up, go along his day and then realize he did not think about it. Jimmy never forgot about the horrible things he had done and witnessed. When Kim left him he tries everything to distract himself from his own thoughts. The second he wakes up he is on the phone. He never stops. Even when he is alone in his office for a few seconds he makes some random noises just so he has anything else to do but to deal with his own thoughts.

PrimitiveCruisingArtist

I get that, what George said. I find it very, very, very cringe when someone gets blamed for something incorrectly. They are victimized, while others only see the false claim. And I feel like I see it all the time. I've become so cynical, in fact, that I hardly believe anything anyone says about anyone. The one time I disagreed with George was in Breaking Bad when Walt, Jr., told the police dispatcher that Walt pulled a knife on Skyler. Of course, Walt didn't do that. The difference here is that Walt, Jr., isn't making an actual claim. He's not victimizing Walt. He is simply trying to paint a quick picture for the dispatcher, making the situation sound as bad as possible. "Our lives are threatened" is the message. That's how I took it. Walt, Jr., was shouting out whatever sounded the worst, for effect.

Brandon

These two episodes are so brutal. One thing to remember is that the super lab ended up having finished concrete flooring with colored tiles and a whole system of pipes and drainage. Lalo and Howard were buried deep beneath all of that. Walt and Jesse burn the lab down at the end of season 4, but the DEA would have had to dig through the floors with a jackhammer to expose the ground underneath and then dig down further to find more bodies. The DEA end up finding Tyrus and another Gus Goon, but nobody else. They had no reason to go digging for more corpses. They would have also had to know exactly where to dig and that place was huge. With Lalo, nobody cares. Knowing Howard will never be found is the show's biggest tragedy IMO. Another thing to remember from Breaking Bad is that Jimmy and Gus never met. If you're Gus and trying to present yourself to the world as an honest businessman, Saul Goodman is the last guy you would want to be seen around, even by accident. Jimmy is only aware of Gus' existence through Mike (and later Walt), by knowing he works for someone powerful.

Katie I

I’ll get to ep later but Simone!! Girl how did you get that massive bruise?? Looks painful as hell. And George, you do make sense. I hear you about being misunderstood though. And fully agree, I liked Howard and it wasn’t fun to see him subjected to so much awful in the end. That doesn’t mean you thought the season was bad at all

Jeff K.

I was wondering that too!

Jeff K.

And, if I'm not mistaken, Patrick Fabian (Howard) was the person who found him, and he and Rhea Seehorn (Kim - and G&S, in case you say her name in the future, Rhea is pronounced "Ray") are the two people Bob thanks for saving his life because they were the two people closest to him (literally and figuratively) when he had his heart attack, and found him because if they hadn't been nearby, no one would have seen/found him until it was too late.

Jeff K.

I think it's also interesting to see the contrast with the way Gus lives versus the way Jimmy lives. Jimmy has a big, opulent mansion that's essentially empty other than him and his clothes and "things" and feels just absurd. He doesn't have people there. There's nothing that makes it feel like home. Gus, meanwhile, has a very, very nice home that actually feels like someone lives there, without all of the opulence. Gus is content with his life, Jimmy definitely is not.

Jeff I.

She fell while hiking.

Adam Vialpando

And everyone who would know Howard is buried there are dead. They might dig it up to build something else, but in all likelihood they would fill it in instead since it would be easier.

Adam Vialpando

I think because of how many fandoms are today people find it hard to express when they dislike a character even if you are meant to dislike them.

Adam Vialpando

They would not have any reason to dig under a thick concrete floor, at least in just a few days.

MarisoL

"Keep telling the lie you've been telling" Mike lost respect for Jimmy for getting someone not in the game killed.

Gishgali

George thinks I'm too stupid to understand him?!? How dare he!

Brady Walton

Couple things, in ep 8 i interpreted Gus saying “lalo changed his mind” as realizing it wasn’t important to lalo and therefore it was a distraction. Also at Howard’s memorial I read those are Patrick Fabian (Howard’s actor)’s real vacation photos. So yes he does smile that way every time.

Brady Walton

They took the pictures from his Instagram, which also means Howard was an early adopter of the selfie with the show being set in 2004

Justin Leone

George, referring to the wine's "afterbirth" is a Michael Scott line from The Office.

Vwlss Nvwls

I think Gus was sexually attracted to the wine guy. The way he smiled when he saw the man was there makes me think he goes there just to see him, but knows that the age difference would never work.

CD

OAKY afterbirth!

CD

One of the most subtly savage Kim moments: when she tells Cheryl about catching Howard doing cola. Kim knew they were estranged, as Howard mentioned it when he was confronting them. That last dig…Cheryl, you were his wife; YOU would have noticed…surely played against Cheryl’s guilt of separating from her husband, right before he met his demise. Chef’s kiss…of f*cked up manipulation. Good on George, for remembering Mike’s comment: they sold it well…maybe even better than it needed. Not sure he was talking specifically about this moment (yes, Mike is a superhero…but I’m not sure how he would have been privy to this exchange); but I think it was definitely a nod. These two can really spin when they need to. As Lalo said…the mouths on them 😬

Michele

You really need to listen to the bcs podcast. It adds so much to every episode. It’s with the show runners and cast.

Jesse Coombs

George, the show isn't smarter than you. Both you and the show are smart and it's fun seeing you both intersect.

Angzarr

And the Lyle spinoff!

Angzarr

Maybe the Lyle spinoff should actually be Lyle and Ernie. A half hour sitcom kind of like The Odd Couple, except they're both kinda Felix Unger?

Pat. N

Since I think both Simone and George asked about commentary from the creators. There is in fact commentary from both creators and actors for every single Breaking Bad and BCS episode, it's really interesting to get their interpretations and reasoning. It can be found either with the DVD copies, or there's a YouTube channel that has uploaded all of them https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIdtDgoGJI34ZlSN_0oQ6kPWMkTCdYsDN

Ste Rawlings

Just on the point about the universe being heightened reality, that would also mean the outcomes and consequences are more extreme than real life which only makes Howard's death even more in keeping with the rest of the universe no?

Ste Rawlings

Howard's death was earned just like everyone else's; it wasn't a key point of his character's arc; instead, it was the inevitable and defining moment of Jimmy and Kim's arc.

sarCC

As to this universe, yes, it is heightened realism. Like Shakespeare's plays, this is a tragedy.

Zoran24

To me the Howard stuffs purpose is to finally give Jimmy and Kim their consequences for not choosing the right path. Also, I interpreted that gus talking to kim moment as him realising lalo is going to the laundry place, not respecting Jimmy's talking skills. But I could be wrong, maybe it was both.

Tyrian

I thought the reason he doesn't pursue him is that he believes getting involved with anyone would put that person at risk, due to his past experience with Max getting murdered by Hector

JenM

One of my favorite shows! Andre Braugher in particular was so good, although I think the whole cast shined. It’s actually available right now on Tubi. I’ve been rewatching it.

Helly R

It became available to stream recently.

Simon Pegged Me

I agree. I think when Gus heard that Lalo accepted Jimmy's offer to send Kim in his place, he knew that the assassination attempt was a feint. He knew Lalo would never send Kim or Jimmy to kill him: he'd want to kill him, himself, face to face. What he learned talking to Kim was that, one, she didn't know who her intended victim was, and, two, that Lalo didn't care which frightened lawyer he sent to breech the walls of Gus's well armed fortress by ringing the doorbell. The plot to kill him was so poorly planned that it could never be what Lalo truly had in mind for him. Hearing that Jimmy convinced him to alter a detail of what should have been a precise, intricate attack just confirmed his suspicions.

Ben from Tenn

I guess Kim ran off to Mexico with Lalo in the multiverse. I still uphold my theory

Dragonhunter

I'm talking about the cartoon Slippin' Jimmy

Ampersander7

Not only was Gus's crush on Homicide, SO WAS GUS! He played Lt. Giardello's son Mike. AND Rhea Seehorn got her first credit on that show in 1997.

Ampersander7

Howard and Lalo, together forever.

Angzarr

H:LotS is fantastic and I don't think I've seen anyone react to it. Ummined gold! For those unfamiliar, writer David Simon spent a year embedded with the Baltimore PD Homicide unit and wrote the nonfiction book "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets". H:LotS is a fictionalized version of that book, and is also the kind of the precursor to Simon's series "The Wire".

Helly R

I thought Huell ate her.

Christina Bee

I feel for you, George lol. I think season 6 is a bit divisive and I wonder if some people are quick to defend it because of that.

Carlos H

better fuel huell

Katie I

I’ll have to go watch it. It’s a hefty bruise! Someone else said it was during a hike. Glad she’s ok though.

MacGuffinStuff

Howard's End, not the movie, haven't actually seen that one, but yeah that was a bummer, it reminded me of The Counselor, a Ridley Scott movie that I don't think got a lot of praise despite an amazing cast including, Javier Bardem, Penelope Cruz, Brad Pitt, Cameron Diaz, and Michael Fassbender. Spoiler alert: you probably won't watch it but I won't describe it in detail, suffices to say, it's also about the drug business and the way it ended had me depressed over it for a like a week, especially at the thought that, this probably happens all the time, and it just left me feeling absolutely gutted.

MacGuffinStuff

That joke about wine "hints of after birth", I think that's from The Office (US), the episode Dinner Party, Michael (Steve Carrell) says something about wine like "it has an oaky afterbirth." And Jim is like "What was that?" But they move right on to the next joke, as they do. Also, Don Eladio making fun of Hector reminded me of some posts I've seen about how funny but utterly offensive and borderline cruel Latino nicknames are. Some examples: the uncle who just got an electric wheelchair, El Tesla; the uncle who never uses GPS when they're on vacation trying to find a new place and gets everyone lost, Cristobál Colón (Christopher Columbus), the uncle with vitligo, El Mapa (The Map), the uncle who lost a leg to diabetes, El Pixar, dad's big friend Benjamin, Benjamón (jamón is ham), a guy called Punto y coma (period and coma) because he had a limp where he would stomp one foot and drag the other.... It goes on, but if a Latino makes fun of you too your face, I mean if we know you, it usually means we really love you, if we don't we'll say it behind your back. Oh btw I was Pinnochio when I was a kid, a was skinny with a big nose. Then I told someone later in life that, and they said something like, no you don't have a big nose, it matches you, you do have huge ears though Dumbo.

James

what they do to Howard's wife is so sad

Ashton Lewis

I think you confused Bolsas death with a death from a certain film by Denis Villeneuve by the way haha. Bolsa dies in his home, surrounded by federales because Gus made the whole attack on Hank happen and it heightened tensions between the D.E.A and the cartel. Bolsa is assassinated during the raid on his home. ** Spoiler ** The death you were thinking of happens to someone in Sicario

gfixler

Okay, it drives me nuts. I read "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" a long time ago, which is a book by the editor of French Elle Magazine, Jean-Dominique Bauby, who randomly went into a waking coma. It's called "locked-in syndrome," where you're awake, but you can't move or speak. It's a living hell. They didn't know if he was even in there, until someone (a nurse?) figured out she could communicate with him through him blinking his left eye. That's all he had. She laboriously pointed to a board of letters every day, "letra por letra" as they said in the show here, and he'd blink at the right letter. The book is very thin, and very tragic. Now Hector is doing this, and it's so wasteful! I mean, I like that he can't say much, because he's evil, but at least sort the letters by frequency. Use the old "ETAOIN SHRDLU" thing ("e" is 13% of letters in most texts, "t" is 9%, "a" is 8%, "o" is 7.5%, etc.), or pick the Spanish equivalent. The way they do it, a word like "these" is 57 pointings by the nurse, starting from "A" and going forward. Sorted, it's 19. Over time, it adds up to a huge number, and would let him say so, so much more in the same amount of time. I just looked it up again, and it turns out Bauby's helpers did use a letter list that was in French frequency order, so that's a relief.

gfixler

BCS starts in 2002, which I think was the same year as the Dasher software came out. I tried it out some 20 years ago, and it's pretty easy. The only issue is you start to get a bit hypnotized. I think Hector could use his finger well enough for a little joystick. Get the man a laptop on his wheelchair, and he'd being able to write like you see in the animated GIF: https://www.inference.org.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html

Bill B.

Not accurate. In BB, when the DEA Mia investigating the lab they do note two corpses/skeletons. Tyrus could not be one of them. Tyrus was killed with Hector and Gus in the nursing home explosion. The two bodies could only be Howard and Lalo, but so decomposed/burned that no one would be able to identify them.

Brandon

Yeah, I was wrong about where Tyrus was when he died, but there were two other goons working for Gus that Walt had to kill to get Jesse out of the lab. There was a guy in the lab itself forcing Jesse to cook and a guy up above guarding the elevator. Those were the two bodies, not Howard and Lalo. In order for Lalo and Howard's bodies to be found, the fire would have had to dig up the earth itself to expose their bodies and fires don't do that.

Kaz5209

to comment on what George talked about at the beginning and about Howard's arc. obviously my own opinion and with respect to everyone's own opinion. the part i liked about Howard's arc is that it was used to show the real bad consequences of Jimmy and Kim's actions. because crime's consequences, like drugs and murder etc , are known and clear. however throughout the show even knowing what Jimmy does is illegal or gray area at best, he is still mainly lovable and can even be excused for some of his actions. i think the point here is to show that its all fun and games until someone loses an eye .

Lewis Ward

George you are 100% valid in your feelings towards Howards fate. His death is supposed to be tragic and abrupt and dirty and brutal because it is meant to show Jimmy and Kim's affect on the people around them. Him being such a nice and good person makes it even more tragic, and our reaction to it is the exact same as Jimmy and Kim's for a reason. Different deaths suit different story arcs, Mike's needed to be calm because he's been yearning for a quiet life with his family since he started his decent into the criminal underworld. He finally got his quiet moment but in a karmic way. Howard has been a kind person -- for the most part -- for his whole time on the show, and this makes his unceremonious death hit even harder. Jimmy and Kim didn't want him dead but because of how connected they've become to the criminal underworld, they can't keep the two disconnected anymore. His death feels like a punch to the gut in the worst way, and we're meant to feel like we didn't get enough time to see his character be redeemed and rise back up, because he himself did not get that opportunity. Howards story is so tragic.