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Andor 104-106 (Patreon)

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2025-08-12 12:00:10
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Matt

And Or

AdmiralZhou

Yess one of my favorite arcs! This show just has such great dialogue. And man ep 6 is just a masterclass in building tension 😂

Jef Etters

I love Star Wars. I love Rogue One. I recognize how well done this show is. But it’s boring AF.

JOEDATOR

The opposite of Science Fiction is Gym Fact

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

These three episodes are truly fantastic - especially the Aldhani stuff which is some of the best Star Wars out there (keeping it vague for those who haven’t watched, I hope). The next 3-ep arc is… well, wait and find out 😉

lalaland

yeah well... you know. thats just like... your opinion, man.

BellaBlue

TV Series request for future consideration - The OA (2 seasons)

dudewheresmycar

You mentioned early on you only recognise Stellan Skarsgård as an older man, and you would be interested in seeing him in roles as a younger man. Most of his early roles are in Swedish language movies that no outside of Sweden would have heard of. His first recognisable role was in The Hunt for Red October as the Commander of the Russian sub sent to destroy Red October, but I don't think you recognised him in that role. 😋

Deserana12

This is where the episode order is a bit screwed. There's now a loose single episode after this before the next 3 episode arc so I'm hoping they squeeze out 4 episodes next week

JOEDATOR

Gen X grew up watching young Morgan Freeman, on “The Electric Company” on PBS.

Jef Etters

Yeah I know I’m in the minority. I just like my Star Wars to be about space wizards, not bureaucracy. Which is weird because I love when Trek is about bureaucracy.

Jef Etters

The OA season one is incredible.

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

It’s the outlier in the flow, too true. Some fun along the way in that ep as well. That said, as long as it’s enjoyed no matter the approach that’s all I hope for 😀

Popsmcgraw

George if you guys watch 3 episodes next week it's gonna break up the arc, I recommend watching 1x3x2 or 4x2 depending on your schedule

Jon Johns

I'm not surprised, but a little sad that neither recognized Senator Mon Mothma from her 3 minutes of screen time in Return of the Jedi, or from Rogue One...

Jon Johns

This episode really kicks off the series of the powerful women of Andor.

Jon Johns

Vincent, the vegetable Vampire!!!!

Mastervodo

Not the best Star Wars, I agree. I like space battles. I like light sabres. I like Force chokes and aliens and Jungle Teddy Bears. But, it's a different kind of story in a Star Wars universe. Which if you take it as that, it's not bad.

Jon Johns

Jef, I'm curious, are you watching / rewatching this with Simone & George? I wonder if you're picking up on anything new with their perspective? I don't expect you to change your mind, your opinion is very valid, and shared by many, I just wonder if seeing something you don't care for much with someone enjoying it changes it for you?

Jacob

So why don't you also find Star Trek boring AF? This is always such a weird take to me to admit you don't have the ability to separate the two. But hey, at least you are honest.

Jeff K.

Watching this through for the first time and wait, is Vel the same actress as The Waif from GOT?! Also, holy shit! I had no idea that Ebon Moss-Bachrach was in this show. And here I was when they were talking about what the next big show would be thinking “Man I hope it’s The Bear” and suddenly Cousin Richie pops up. And now I’m also looking forward to when they watch Fantastic Four, seeing Ben Grimm, and being like “Hey it’s the guy from Andor!”

Jon Johns

To Simone's point that "Empire Bad" could never be shaken. I believe Palpatine is a master manipulator. In the films, we see him fight a few times, but his greatest unlimited power is manipulating others to do his bidding. Palpy=Bad; Empire=manipulated people free to do bad things. If Palpatine / Vader are black hats, and Luke / Oni-wan are white hats... Everyone else wears gray. 🤷🏻 Just my opinion.

Jef Etters

Thanks for asking, Jon. I am rewatching it with them. I never leave shows on and play with my phone. I’m finding myself do that now with this. When I first watched it alone, I found every episode to be good, honestly, but it felt like a chore. After an ep, I was glad I experienced it, but each week I had to pysch myself up and force myself to watch as if it were homework. Then I hear my friends and everyone online raving about Andor. To me The Obi-Wan show, or Mandalorian, is more my speed. I just don’t find the magic universe of Star Wars, with the magic sucked out of it, to be that compelling. I can watch a hundred normal shows. If I felt like watching spycraft or rebellion joining, this would’nt be my firsr choice. Am I experiencing something new watching it through George and Simone’s eyes? Nah. I definitely have experienced that. But not here. For example, I was Danny Zuko in Grease in High School, and I don’t care about the Grease movie…but watching it through their eyes made me realize how good the music is. Simone’s joy and George’s appreciation made me LIKE Grease. So much so that I watched their reaction TWICE because they were having so much fun. Season Two of Severance is another example. I loved Season One on my own, and attempted Season Two but bailed after the first episode because it just didn’t hook me. But after trying season 2 with G and S, I love it. I wish G and S could make me excited about Andor. But it’s not working. I know where Cassian ends up, and this whole thing is just slowly moving pieces around. I get it, the guy becomes a rebel. Yawn.

Jef Etters

Thanks for asking Jacob. I don’t find Trek boring (minus Discovery) because going in, it is about themes, issues, morals, etc within a backdrop of sci-fi. This is what I signed up for going in. So Kirk and crew in the briefing room having conversations, or Picard making speeches, I know that’s what it is. Star Wars though is at its heart, about hope. But it takes place in a universe of magic. This show has no magic elements. No force, etc. and while it is technically about the hope of a rebellion getting going, it is a struggle, and dour and down. It’s…not super about hope. I just find it hard to care.

Nate Gavin

I grew up watching and liking TOS, TNG, DS9 etc thinking that was cutting edge sci-fi writing. Star Wars 4,5,6 scripts were considered juvenile by comparison. But watching Andor now - it's next level, and beats the stretchy pants off the TNG crew, season 1. No one's fault, just saying.

Jon Johns

Lol, Cyrill has Clone action figures in his bedroom. I do love how this show and rogue one includes toys for the kids. Rogue one had little stormtrooper dolls.

Jacob

Thanks for the response Jef. I think you would find the very core theme of Andor is about hope if you gave it a chance. And the strongest version of it It's just a very different type of show from normal Star Wars lately, admittedly you are very right about that. Personally as a lifelong fan at 37 years old I find it the most well made Star Wars property and the one with the most depth. Yes, it's very different. My favorite game as a kid was Rogue Squadron. Zero Star Wars "Magic" whatsoever. Just an extremely well made product in a Universe I love. But it fit perfectly into the lore and enhanced the overall Universe. That's all that matters to me, great storytelling that enhances a universe I love. If you only want to see one specific aspect, that's ok. I just find that an extremely limiting viewpoint. Especially when you enjoy it in other products.

Skyruff Creative

I once heard Science Fiction is for Men as Romance/Rom Coms are for women. They are the candy coating which is used to swallow a philosophical point. Both are bad when they forget the philosophy and just try to give you the candy or not enough candy to cover the philosophical point. Star Trek and Star Wars have been guilty of both over the years, but in general are vastly above average given the times they were made.

Kyle Baker

You already seen Stellan Skarsgård in the youngest role in a Hollywood movie in The Hunt for Red October 1990. That said if you were to somehow ever watch The Unbearable Lightness of Being someday that would be incredible.

Jon Johns

On this 10th rewatch of Andor 😂 I just realized, 'Clem' correcting the guy on how they should march, must have stung him a lot more than I realized, since a later scene reveals he was a stormtrooper? Yikes.

Jon Johns

I agree Nate. This series is phenomenal; layered, deep, clever, rich... I know some see it as boring, but it's magic to me.

Jon Johns

Yes! A few GOT alums in this! The only actress with no real performances in her history is Kleya, Luthens ship assistant. This is her first major performance. Jeff, I know G&C are waiting to watch season two, I hope you don't! Season two is top-tier TV!

Chris

This came out pretty close to season one of The Bear too. It was like, who the f!&$ is this guy and where the hell has he been before now????

rictus grin

this and Rouge One is by far the best of the new Star Wars

Jon Johns

I feel like a commentary that "Star Wars" in general says, is, that rebellions have both wealthy folks, and criminals, and everyone in between, but the criminals are the hardest to manage, and the earliest adopters to 'get things done'? Han Solo was a smuggler 🤷🏻.

Allan

Yeah, I just can't understand the idea that this show is boring. I mean, in a general sense I do understand it might not be everyone's speed, different tastes and all that. It is a very patient show. It takes its time, rewards paying close attention, and I find it absolutely riveting even on rewatch. I've seen people supporting the show saying you need to stick with it through the slow parts to get to the good stuff, but I really don't agree with that either. To me the "slow parts" are as much part of the good stuff as the action. And the action is only made better because of how well set up it is.

BellaBlue

Agreed..one of best seasons of TV...I loved both seasons but s1 def off the chain... there is some talk of revival...which would be amazing w what they were setting up...

Lemons

A nice non sci-fi short mini animated series, Over the Garden Wall, would be a great one to react to. It has Elijah Wood voice acting in it.

PDP1472

The 'opposite' of a sci-fi I'd say would be a period drama or a comedy. Or...a period comedy? Black Adder would fit the bill(not a long-form show, though).

RogueRN

My only disappointment with the reaction to Andor is that I have to wait another week for the next episodes :)

The Real Andrew Kim

I just wanted to make a clear distinction between "Satire" and "Parody". Simone refers to Spaceballs as a satire, but I would say Spaceballs is a parody or even an homage of Star Wars. Its clearly making fun of it but I don't feel it is is criticizing it and it is made with a sense of appreciative sarcasm IMO. When your satirizing something it is when you are making a comedic criticism of the source material usually to highlight a moral, ethical or philosophical stance that should be ridiculed and the satire usually reflects the creators disapproval or disagreement with the messaging of the source material. I do think parodies can be satire, but not all satire has to be a parody.

WayneC

I agree Red, for the most part Kenobi was crap. The whole premise for the "adventure" was that he abandon his sworn duty.

Urbanform

Suggestions for some shows: 1. Counterpart(still 100% on Rotten Tom) with JK Simmons is a great scifi show with just 2 seasons and fits into the bracket of non Star Warsy. No space travels just a future version of our planet. 2. Deadwood is a Western, 3 seasons and has Timothy Olyphant and Ian Mcshane. 3. Fargo the first two seasons are great. 4. Midnight Mass(1 season) by Mike Flanagan is a fantastic show and in my opinion his best work. 5. The Night Of is another great one season show with Riz Ahmed(bodhi from Rogue One), John Turturo & Kenneth Williams(Omar from The Wire) 6. A long format show I would recommend is The Shield(not Marvel), 7 seasons long with Michael Chiklis and Walton goggins. 7. The Americans ,6 seasons, its a spy thriller set during the cold war.

D.A.V.E.

Just put your medicines in the Eggnog and your wish is granted. 😉

Lars G

TBF to Tariman, he's mostly concerned about making sure they all look and act the part, while Cassian is interested in them being able to actually shoot a split second faster. If they did have to start shooting in formation the plan would have been screwed and they would have likely been overwhelmed quickly. That part was less to show Tariman not knowing what he's doing and more to show how observant Cassian is.

Jacob

Oh look, Deadwood comment. Upvote

Hanno

Nemik being crushed by capital is so poignant

D.A.V.E.

One thing I love about Andor (despite being the best Star wars has ever been) they made Tie Fighters fucking scary.

Hanno

Andor brought back stakes to Star Wars. Out of the 7 who were part of the Aldhani heist, only Cassian, Vel and Cinta survive. Plot armor doesn't exist here unlike other Star Wars projects.

Mike W

Some police/detective shows to react to. 1. Bones. 2. Castle 3. Elementary

cincassette

My favourite type of science fiction is Kurt Vonnegut's brand of sci-fi, which unfortunately hasn't really made it to the big screen in any meaningful way. But he's by far one of my favourite science fiction writers. Another kind of sci-fi I love, quite different from the sprawling space voyages or far-future societies, is the grounded variety where the world is mostly normal except for one unusual invention or phenomenon. Like Back to the Future, The Time Machine, The Invisible Man, The Man in the White Suit and Primer to name a few... even Memento and a lot of Christopher Nolan’s work fit that mould. Films like Being John Malkovich and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind by Charlie Kaufmann too.

Jeff K.

I haven't finished this batch of episodes yet (only the first of the three), and I'll just say, I am fully expecting him to both call Cassian "Cousin" and announce that it is, in fact, clobberin' time before they hit the garrison.

Golandaz

Also they were probably drilling with three before Cassian arrived

Kevin

Succession would be a great next show. A nice break from all the excellent Sci-fi of late. Expertly written, won every award, super funny.

Charles

I am still watching with you guys so ignore if you picked up on it. There is a certain actress in this show that was the voice actress for Yennefer in Witcher 3 :)

GAB

Not going to lie - I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't pick up on the name of Mon Mothma from "Return of the Jedi" and "Rogue One". She also featured in two of the animated series and the "Ahsoka" series. Two actors have played her in live action: Caroline Blakiston originally in ROTJ and Genevieve O'Reilly more recently.

Inkpendude

I cannot stop imagining yennefer speaking, she has such a good voice

Jon Johns

Thanks Jef!!! I watched season one of white lotus, because my son raved about it. I "got" it, but, it just wasn't for me? I mean, I don't think *I* am the target audience? I tried season 2 and couldn't get through 1 episode. I know it's "great" and I'm sure the performances are award winning, but, I just can't. I'm saying, I get you, man. I hear you, and you're not alone, I've heard it from others. I'm glad you're here though. 🥰

Purple Dragon Knight

The reason the opening sequence is only of robots or masked characters is so they don't have to pay the actors to use their likeness. I think

Purple Dragon Knight

You both said that the intro was plain. It is but have you noticed that the music is different each time?

QuoteO

First ever Comment here and its a nooby question: Are they gonna do Season 2 right after or is it gonna be a vote for something else instead?

Anndra

The Aldhani scenes were filmed in Scotland. The dam is real (though CGI-augmented), the Cruachan Dam. A lot of the stuff about the people of Aldhani being cleared off the land and moved to enterprise zones is inspired by the clearances that took place in areas like the one where it was filmed.

Gee

If you want a show opposite to sci fi black sails would be an excellent choice.

lalaland

they always zig zag between a small show (less than 4 seasons) and a big show (4 season or more). so they will do andor s1, then we vote on a big show and they do season 1 of that, then after a few weeks they resume s2 of andor, then back to s2 of the big show and so on. reason being not everyone will be a fan of any show, so its better to keep things changing every few weeks so no one has to wait too long till the thing they want is available again. imagine if you dont care about Better call saul and then had to wait like 7 straight months of nothing but that before another show starts.

michael denny

you saw Stellan Skarsgard in hunt for the red October. he was the Russian sub captain sent to stop them.

Inkpendude

Whaddya mean normal men?

M.C.G

Skeen's actor is fantastic; rewatch the part where he answers what sort of crops his brother grew, pay attention to his eyes, the very slight hesitation. Just wonderful stuff.

Justin Leone

Really hoping that The Good Place is on your long shows poll. Though I'd hesitate to call it a long show. Its 4 seasons have a run time only a few hours longer than Andor.

Justin Leone

I think the opposite of sci fi would be, for lack of a better term, the "Hallmark" genre. No heroes journeys or calls to adventure. No thoughtful explorations of philosophical or intellectual concepts whatsoever. Absolutely NO faffing about in space, and if time travel is ever involved, it's never more than a narrative device meant to show someone the error of leaving the small town they grew up in.

QuoteO

thanks for the good explanation! although id lov S2 of Andor right away :(

Martin

Succession is probably the 2nd best show HBO has ever made, right behind The Sopranos. It’s brilliant.

Justin Leone

It is a direct prequel, so some characters certainly do have plot armor. But yeah, apart from the few characters we know about from stories that take place later (Cassian and Mon Mothma specifically), it's the kind of show that doesn't undermine its own story just for the sake of making sure your favorite characters survive.

Philipp Roensch

'Good Will Hunting' and 'Ronin' have a cool young Stellen, and are excellent. 'In Order of Disappearance' is a bit later, but great lead performance from him (also remade with Liam Neeson as 'Cold Pursuit'). Back to this, keeps building finally to some good tension, with good payoffs and consequences, this quarter is already looking up. It's still a few too many abrasive characters for me, but I see the scruffiness of the rebels and fumbling of the empire ones is the point. Fine so far, the show is cooking with the attention to detail.

Steve Mercier

Vel (Faye Marsay) is also from Game of Thrones. She played the Waif, Arya's not so friendly trainer (and later would-be killer) from the House of Black and White.

Robert Cooper

..in which Simone decides these Empire characters might not be the greatest.

Tay Schumaker

He was 46 in Good Will Hunting, not sure I'd call that young per se.

Tay Schumaker

It's better than some reactors (*cough* Natalie Gold *cough*) that does one season and then if the second season isn't voted on the show just gets dropped

Michael Johnson

Ok, I'll be that guy ... Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy

Steve

The complete opposite of this show. A western. Maybe Deadwood. It is a classic show.

Lex Kuzma

Deadwood is so great and I'm really eager to see George's reaction to Wu.

Jesse Coombs

Deadwood would be amazing. Another show that's right up there with The Wire. I'd PayPal them $100 to do that next. Of course, I'm an independently wealthy billionaire, so that's not saying much.

Jesse Coombs

The Good Place is so good, especially if they like Parks & Rec (or Community).

Jesse Coombs

Succession is so good. Corporate Game of Thrones.

Jesse Coombs

Seconding Deadwood (of course), Fargo (I think all the seasons are brilliant, but I get you), and Midnight Mass (the best Mike Flanagan thing!)

Jesse Coombs

Fantastic show. Right up there with Adventure Time.

John

Ronin is so good

John

There is a movie version of Harrison Bergeron

John

I would add Luther and Psych

FranciscoGios

Skeen’s tattoos is what Simone catch they are prison tattoos, the one with a hexagon with Aurebesh letters of KH is for the Krayt Heads a prison gang from Tatooine (Krayt Dragons are from Tatooine one of few big beast natives) with prison bar numbers; the other one with the five fingers figure “By the Hand” suggests he was part of an incarceration group but we still don’t know a lot about it’s purpose. Take account of Nemik’s manisfesto it has a very personal meaning from his time fighting the Empire. Its too long I myself couldn’t memorize it 😅

Jesse Coombs

I really hope they watch "The Bear" someday. I love that show. As far as Ebon Moss-Bachrach goes, I first noticed him as that dim-witted songwriter that Marnie dates in "Girls". As far as I know, he's not in Black Mirror, but my research only takes me so far. He is in the new Fantastic Four movie, which I'm stoked about.

MacGuffinStuff

I don't know if it's opposite of sci-fi (temporally?), it's historical fiction, Pillars of the Earth, it's a miniseries about a town in late medieval England and it's awesome, also has a sequel miniseries that I think is equally awesome, World Without End. Someone else caught it but Vel is the Waif from GOT, I clocked her immediately by her voice, it hasn't really changed. And yeah that was Kyburn (probably misspelling his name). I had heard the writing in this show is the beating heart, plus great performances, so far I'm not disappointed in the least, so many great lines in these episodes.

Spencer

Dunkirk vibes for sure.

Green Nolan

I came here to comment that! They even mentioned gwent during the reaction 😂

Khan1001

Stellan Skarsgard is the best part of this show, hes sooooo good and George & Simone, who HAVE seen a younger Stellan when you did Good Wili Hunting (1997) remember?

dys

He was already in his mid-to-late 40s then, and now he's 74 but could still pass for 60, so he's kind of appeared middle-aged for most of his career in English-language film.

dys

Even though it's completely unrelated genre there's even some tonal similarity.

dys

I'd never placed where I knew her from before! Probably because she's the same age as me, and is actually playing an adult character here, but she looked like she was like 16 just 10 years ago in that GoT role so I would never have thought an actress who looks my age now could have been the Waif.

dys

Or because they like Ted Lasso, The Good Place has a similar mix of incredible comedy and real personal growth. And I think it's more consistently perfect the whole way through compared to them not liking the later seasons of Ted Lasso as much.

dys

I probably only know her name because I read some of the extended universe books as a kid, she's a really minor character barely even mentioned by name just going by the mainline movies even though in-universe she's important.

dys

Or hot take, do Arrested Development which is Succession before Succession but so much funnier

dys

Love all of these but so want them to do Midnight Mass with how much they loved Hill House

The Real Andrew Kim

This is not a spoiler and the show never explicitly makes this clear, but I feel it is implied that Cinta killed the remaining hostages before walking out of the control room, since they did see who she was and she could not leave any witnesses behind to just walk out of the garrison. Future episodes will show more of her character and suggest this would be a plausible action in line with how they portray her in the show later.

Mike W

I've not seen Psych but yeah Luther is really good

gfixler

That sheep breed is real! They're called Jacob sheep. They have demon horns. https://www.google.com/search?q=Jacob%27s+sheep&tbm=isch It's amazing how many sheep breeds there are, and how different they all are. I never really noticed until I got into fiber art stuff, and started following shepherdesses online, and learning how to turn wool into yarn. They're like dog breeds. Here are some crazy ones: Beltex sheep look like cow bulldog pigs: https://www.google.com/search?q=beltex+sheep&tbm=isch Fat tailed sheep have ridiculous badonkadonks: https://www.google.com/search?q=fat+tailed+sheep&tbm=isch Valais Blacknose Sheep look like Muppets! https://www.google.com/search?q=Valais+blacknose+sheep&tbm=isch (NOTE: Simone, don't look! They're too adorable)

DanTurismo

Waiting for the moment George realizes that Dedra is the voice of Yennifer.

Spacedone

I'm not sure if you were asking for recommendations for a long or short show but if it was for a short one then how about the 6-part UK political thriller 'State Of Play' from 2003, about a newspaper journalist investigating the death of a politician's research assistant. Starring among others David Morrissey, Kelly MacDonald, Bill Nighy, James McAvoy and Benedict Wong (in a smaller role). It also got adapted by Hollywood into a Russell Crowe film of the same name which was ok but not as good.

Davide

Dark

Scott CineRam

The masks/characters shown during the intro are: Vader, BB-8, C-3PO, Kylo Ren, R2-D2, Rebel Pilot, Endor Storm Trooper, regular Storm Trooper, Cassian's droid.

oldcdog

Just so you’re aware the next 3 episode arc is 8-10. Episode 7 is kind of a bridge episode. So if your next block is 7-9, don’t be surprised if it feels a little off at the end.

Urbanform

Maybe around Halloween. I personally like it more than Hill House.

Michael L.

For the opening question I'd put out Buck Rogers and Blade Runner.

Lex Kuzma

Simone, asking why the O in ANDOR is negative space is a really good question. It has really clever symbolism, much like how the Andor theme is in a minor key but has a brief ray of light in the form of a major D chord before fading back into a resolution.

Scott CineRam

Sure, but perhaps they weren't ALL trained for speeder bikes.

DDK

Here to say 1: Pretty sure the latest site update fixed the full screen problem I was having before? It was literally the only complaint I had, because otherwise your site is genuinely impressive and so useful. But now it feels perfect. Thank you all for taking the time to create it! But also 2: for next shows I’d love to see Succession or the Good Place after Andor Season 2.

DarthFatass

Simone the milk has been blue since 1977.

Evan

Another thing about Skeen betraying the team that’s easy to miss is he did basically let Taramyn the ExStormtrooper die during the shootout in the vault hanger with the freighter. at 33:44 Vel says “I’m pinned” down and taramyn looks at skeen says “Cover me” and nods Skeen kind of nods back but not really. so taramyn starts moving up in the open Skeen pokes out Shoots twice then goes immediately back to hiding. yes the second trooper took a shot at skeen but he already hid back before the trooper even shot and Skeen Didn’t do Any covering fire just poked out shot a guy and hid and kinda let taramyn get shot.

GoodManTheDan

Yeah. I’d nearly drop to two episodes a week at this point so you get 9&10 and 11&12 together.

Khan1001

Hunt for Red October? I need to watch this again, think I watched it but was to young to understand it.

Gary Poussard

Do Simone and George realize the senator is Mon Mothma who lead the rebels in Return Of The Jedi??

Doug the Movie Guy

I've been waiting for either of them to comment on the fact that the intro music changes on every episode

Ian Tellam

Interesting question at the beginning. So I've decided to spend the first 20 mins of this reaction creating a science fiction classification system: Time period: Historic - Present - Future - time travel - non-specific (e.g. in a fantasy setting). Primary location: Earth, another planet, space-only, space and multiple planets, 'other' (inc. other dimensions or fantastical places'). Population: Extra terrestrial - Human only - AI/robots - (any or all) Tech: Hard scifi (currently plausible tech only) - pseudo science (inc. speculative tech) - science fantasy (essentially magic) Settings might contain a mixture of these charateristics within each sub-theme. You can deal with similar themes within different sub-genres, but I think if you find something which fits none of these characteristics compared to something else, then it's about as 'opposite' as you can get in terms of science fiction - even if they cross over in other non SF-specific genres (e.g. action, horror, comedy etc). I think Star Wars and Jurassic Park are pretty far apart in terms of science fiction themes. They contain very little overlap in most categories, despite both featuring some big 'monsters' as Jurassic Park's are essentially just Earth animals.

James M

Interesting that you are comparing sci-fi and their differences. Maybe the question to ask is "What makes something sci-fi?" Here's where I lose most people. Sci-fi is a story genre where the essence of the conflict rests on new scientific knowledge and resulting technological and social changes. So what is scientific knowledge? Again I lose people here but, The Force is not scientific knowledge. They tried a little with the midichlorian invention but that was never mentioned in the first three films and basically basically like The Force Jr. (What is magic #1 about? Oh well you see it comes from magic #2 - yea that's not really science) It is pretty obvious the midichlorian idea was patched in because people were saying: The Force is just some sort of magic and Star Wars is not at all sci-fi. It's a space-based fantasy story and if it was set on a planet and everyone wore furs and leather and used steel swords and shields, it would be exactly the same story. No science needed. OTOH, you would be hard pressed to create Star Trek with no science. The problems they face and their resolutions generally rest with scientific ideas. Some slightly space-magic things might be Spock's ability to do the mind-meld or when they find a place with portals to other times. But the overall story pattern was weighted towards science and away from magical happenings. Obviously genres form a continuum, and Star Wars has a lot of sci-fi elements about it. But the essence of the story is The Force and how there's a struggle to keep it in balance. To me that story has always been about space fantasy, not science fiction... until "Andor". That's what makes this series especially interesting to me. It feels like all the conflicts and their resolutions in this series are based on science fiction. No one ever presses the magical The Force button to make this series work. So for me "Andor" is the only real sci-fi story I've seen in Star Wars land.

James M

Very different sci-fi films: "The Martian" and "The Thing From Another World" (1951)

James M

When Rael says "no matter what you tell me or tell yourself you'll ultimately die fighting these bastards." he has absolutely nailed the end of "Rogue One".

James M

Skarsgard is great in this role as per usual. I was pleased to see Anton Lesser in this. I really only knew him from "Game of Thrones" but he has this old classic acting background in Shakespeare and in "The Cherry Orchard" with British television in the 80s. Despite doing all that great work and a show as big as GoT he still said he was anxious doing "Andor" because it was a big Hollywood production.

James M

Five months of planning and they don't know the key elements of how to escape with the money. I think when Rael says he had come to shut down the operation he was serious. He saw Andor not as a super-spy but as a pilot desperate enough to do the job. With a pilot in hand he realized the operation could possibly work so he convinces Andor and the rebel squad leader to do it. This shows how desperate the rebels are and how everything depends on brilliant leadership like what Rael provides.

James M

What is the politician's husband's role in this story? He is part of the complacent and wealthy imperial population. He sees nothing positive in the work his wife is doing. He just wants to live a happy life with his family at home. I don't agree that he is using his daughter against his wife. Instead he's letting them fight it out while agreeing with the daughter silently. He wants his wife to stop her endless political work and spend more time with her family. Honestly he's not a bad person for wanting that. And yes I understand good partnerships work better than this, but every marriage is not a good partnership. This couple probably should be divorced. I think "Andor" (the show not the guy) is trying to show why an "evil empire" lasts. It isn't simply the essence of all evil which everyone sees and knows. If that were so it would collapse overnight.

James M

Since you are watching the story of a rebellion, you should check out "For Whom the Bell Tolls" (1943). It's a film version of Hemmingway's novel. If you are interested in something to read, the novel is even better than the film.

James M

I love the way you identify characters: "The blonde frowny-faced girl."

James M

"Build a theme park on it and let the locals do the work." This is a fairly apt description of American resorts and cruise ship ports in the Caribbean.

m

ironically, the only movies really trying to break with the tradition of character caricatures (which all the other ones definitely are), are the prequel/OT movies. You also got the Stormtrooper "breaking good"

m

Simone: "Is this the most basic TV show intro we've seen"

Fraser

They definitely don't realise

Fraser

I could be wrong but I believe a lot of the Aldhani stuff was based on the Highland clearances that took place in Scotland. What with all the Aldhani stuff being filmed at Cruachan Dam in Argyll it kind of makes sense. The English forcibly removed Highlanders from their lands and made them move to the lowlands, pretty much exactly the same as is shown in the show. Also the head of the Aldhani is played by Scottish actor David Heyman.

Usagi

I've watched this show so many times now, I finally understand they left the Alkenzi line open on purpose so that they'd know when they've been alerted of the vault breach and going to send TIE fighters. Once Cinta heard them saying we saw the vault breach light, she cut all lights outside, letting gorn know it's time to go, so then gorn could join the crew to hitch a ride, that's why he said he was surprised they're still loading and he was scared they'd already be leaving, but Vel swears there's 2 min left. But everything was running behind and that's why kimzi got there before they could take off.

Darren Harrison

Has George seen the newer "Star Wars" movies? He says he cannot think of a good person in the villains' ranks. Finn started as a stormtrooper in "The Force Awakens"

Guts

27:35 - That's Yennefer of Vengerberg from Witcher 3 😲