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Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (Patreon)

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JoeMama47

Are you there, God? It's me, Sybok.

TomGas2025

Honestly...except for some Special Effects I had no problem with that movie. I was entertained and thats it. Of course it is my leats liked movie in the movie franchised bit still goes before Nemesis and JJVERSE'S Into Darkness.

TomGas2025

Me too...not the movement but curiosity. Ples people don't mix it up. 😉

Matt O'Keefe

Shatner made a disappointing movie. I feel sorry for him for making this. The last movie is great though.

Kris

I can't stand this movie so I'll be skipping it and waiting for The Undiscovered Country. My personal favorite.

Nick

For what it’s worth, this movie wasn’t released between the two seasons, it was released between episodes 18 and 19 of season 2. While this doesn’t really matter for this movie or TNG, the 6th movie’s release in the middle of season 5 does matter. You’d be well served to watch it when it was actually released (between episodes 9 and 10 of season 5) rather than between seasons 5 and 6. The alternating pattern of release order becomes even more important when you get to DS9. This has a list of every episode in actual release order, with the date of release: https://startreklist.blogspot.com/2011/04/list-of-all-star-trek-episodes-sorted_05.html?m=1

Matthew Wabals

I’ve only gotten to the camp fire scene and the awkward look of pain on your faces … is making me uncomfortable ;)

Michael Bauer

You know - I've always liked TV-Trek more than movie-Trek. The plot of this movie is very classic Trek. Could have been great -I wonder how it would have worked without the production-issues.

Richard Z Herrera

I was going to suggest this after I finished watching

RJ MacReady

Star Trek VI Thr Undiscovered Country is much much better on par or better than II.

R_Van_S

Yeah I rank this movie near the bottom of the TOS movies but, true to the pattern, Undiscovered Country is my favorite and I'd consider it better than than Wrath of Khan.

M.C.G

Honestly this one worked a lot better when I was five, heh

Ben Linus

Space. Nailed it on my end.

Spacedone

I'm laughing so much at the expressions on your faces as you watch this. Now you know why this one is so highly rated by Star Trek fans... It's a terrible movie that weirdly had one really great scene in it. There's a TNG episode that you haven't reached yet that has what could only be considered a delberate callback to this movie/attempt to retroactively correct this mess.

Lintrinsic

Not the greatest Trek movie (not the worst IMO) but I'm enjoying the reaction so far. But I feel I must say one thing. The subtitling on the version you're watching sucks. Everything is paraphrased.

TheLeftPecOfTheLord

I think the biggest problem with the movie for me is the directing from Shatner. All the blocking scene to scene is so slow and unmotivated that it affects the way the movie can be edited, resulting in shots that go too long and seem boring. Stretch that over the whole movie with weak tonal consistency and it’s just a mess. The give me your pain scene and Laurence Luckinbill as Sybok are great though

Darren Harrison

The first free climb ascent of El Capitan's Freerider route (the most dangerous) is covered in the documentary Free Solo (2018), which follows Alex Honnold's historic free solo ascent (without ropes or safety gear) of the 3,200-foot rock face. He made the historic climb on June 3, 2017.

Perry Campbell

I really loved this movie 😍😍😍😍yeah it’s little goofy at times but you can’t the guys chemistry together it’s magical ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Alexander Gumprich

Look on the bright side, the worst is behind you now... With TNG S3 coming up and then ST6 and eventually the TNG movies, it's gonna be really great! Promised!

Joseph Schiller

This is definitely the weakest one. The next one is great, on par with the second movie

Richard Z Herrera

For me, VI is first, with II and IV constantly fighting for 2nd. Sad I have to wait basically 3 season for its release

WayneC

I think she has said that she hasn't seen Enterprise.

WayneC

Nice of them to use the myth of Columbus proving that the Earth is round!

Mike W

Now the long wait until my personal favourite, VI. Got some really good TNG between now and then though 🖖

Richard Z Herrera

That's sad and I hope they eventually watch it...like...3 years from now when they finish TNG...and DS9...and Voyager. I look forward to hearing that theme song get reacted to

Lintrinsic

They pushed out Roddenberry after TMP because he kept persisting in rewriting scripts despite Harold Livingston getting written into his contract that wouldn't happen. Then the studio complained they didn't like the scripts, then they found out Sackett was rerouting them to Roddenberry and it wasn't Livingston's work, which they did like. Eventually Livingston quit because he had enough of Roddenberry's shit and they were left in the middle of filming with no ending. They hired a special effects company that couldn't do the job then had to get another company in to finish the job under crunch. The film was delivered wet to the premiere and had to dry going through the projector they cut It so fine. It was a total mess and way over budget. And then the audience and critics dubbed it "The Slow Motion Picture" It wasn't just a question of it being slow and too ambitious.

Matthew Wabals

Don’t worry 6 should take the tase of 5 out your mouths.

Dioskur

...and I allready suggested to watch it here and I do so again: WATCH IT!

Dioskur

The books mentioned in the trivia, the q-continuum series, are the only ST-books I have read. They are pure fan service but not entirely bad. *If* they are realy canon, they are by far the most impactful piece of startrek that I know about. No spoilers but as the trivia said: Its about several q-level beings and what they do is wild²!

Brandon

I got my picture taken with Shatner at a convention and took the chance to ask him if he thought he'd get to do a director's cut for this movie. He basically said he'd like to, but didn't think Paramount would be willing to spend the money to do it. That was 11 years ago and it looks like he was right.

Lintrinsic

The novels, comics and other licensed media sort of are canon, but also aren't. Alpha canon is what appears on the shows or movies, other media is termed Beta canon. Beta canon is messy, often conflicts and frequently gets superceded. Alpha canon is really what's considered canon. There is an alpha canon fan theory who "God" is but - spoilers. More on that later.

dc

Star Trek V is well-known as the weakest of the bunch. There are some scenes in it that I like—the scene with Sybok in the observation lounge is great!—and scenes that are terrible. I don't think it's an awful film, but it's certainly not good. Fortunately, Star Trek VI is a return to form and then some—it's my favorite TOS movie, even over Wrath of Khan.

Ca$hWednesday

Sybok is one of my favourite Trek characters. He's so well written and acted. Unfortunately the actual movie is a mess in just about every area.

DasBigUn

I was reading this...and was wondering where you where goin, it is good statment.

JD Nevesytrof

Sybok was an excellent character by an excellent actor, in a better presentation he could have been a total breath of fresh air for the original series continuity.

Jay Davis

I almost forgot about this little marshmellon of a motion picture today. Well... despite the issues that most will have with this film, it DOES get us to The Undiscovered Country.

DasBigUn

Not going to lie here, but I am going to be really happy when they get too the next movie AND when they finally meet {REDACTED} in TNG agian. He wasnt a MAIN character, but he also was very important to the overall dynamic of the Enterprise in TOS. ALSO, I hope they have a fun time in the first TNG movie cause we get too see {REDACTED} and it is a fun time

Ca$hWednesday

I believe this movie could be re-edited into something much better. The concept was interesting, but the execution did not land.

Superpotroast

"What does God need with a Starship?", best line of the movie.. This one and a future odd number movie, and people not really liking 1 or 3 very much is why people usually say the even Trek films are better..Which is true for all the TOS films..Sadly they break the pattern in the TNG movies.. (VI is the best)

GAB

We're lucky that this was only one hour 46 minutes long. I doubt any scenes that were cut would have saved it. This is the worst TOS movie in my opinion - for what that's worth. The next movie is much better, but I expect it'll be next March before that gets watched as it was released two seasons of TNG after this one.

Ciarra Jade

I’ll be honest , the only thing I love about you guys watching Star Trek 5: the Final Frontier is that it’s now done and out of the way 😅.. Now onto the more fun episodes and movies 🥳🥳

G P

I completely forgot about this one, now I remember why

Darren Harrison

Confused by Simone's comments. In the time this movie was set, the Klingons and the Federation were at war. Isn't the next movie when they make peace with each other?

Ginger

Oh, this is a rough one.

Bruce Woodcock

To answer Simone's questions about the timeline, Star Trek V takes place in 2287. The Federation and the Klingons do not yet have an alliance at this point, but are also not at war due to the treaty enforced by the Organians, as seen in the TOS episode "Errand of Mercy". As for the Romulans, they were very active with both the Federation and the Klingons at this time. The Romulans would enter a 50+ year period of isolation beginning in 2311, during which they had very little contact with the Federation or Klingons until 2364, as mentioned in the TNG episode "The Neutral Zone". There were however incidents of contact in-between. You will learn more details as you continue on your TNG and movie journeys! Also, the Star Trek books (and comics, games, etc.) are NOT canonical -- indeed, many of the are completely contradictory, especially the early ones. Beginning in the 1990s the novels began to become more consistent with their chronology, and many fans would consider some books that are set post-TNG as canonical, until they are ever contradicted on screen. However, officially, only material that appears on screen (movies and tv shows) are considered canonical. For many years The Animated Series was not considered canonical, but now they are (although perhaps not exactly as depicted on-screen). Star Trek also involves A LOT of time travel and alternate timelines, so it may be impossible to say precisely what is canon at any given time since something that was established as true in an earlier episode may have since been changed by someone or something messing around with history. Gene Roddenberry also did not consider Star Trek V canonical, but by this time he was no longer involved with the making of Star Trek and was thus hostile to any new material. Despite this personal grudge, many other fans and writers questioned the canonicity of Star Trek V due to its numerous problems, and references to it since have been few and far between.

CappyZed

I was worried about this one...if you're not warned going in that this is "the bad one", you're going to be very confused and disappointed. The right expectations can at least allow surface-level enjoyment.

Darren Harrison

This is the first time I have managed to sit through this one, after several attempts over the years. It's pretty much an unwatchable mess, and I am glad to hear that it is not canon.

StonyD

LOL It was made before 2005, so it's canon.

StonyD

Star Trek V is fine. It's a box office love letter to TOS in the way that Shatner remembers it. It hits all the check boxes of a TOS series. Not the worst of Trek.

DasBigUn

Yet again you two, I am open to deep talkin about Star Trek. I am a massive lore/cannon nerd for the show as well as other nerdy topics. You two want too talk about "cannon" stuff or therios, you got me and couple others here in chat BUT you also have youtube channels that DEEPLY explore Star Trek. Certifiably Ingame for instance

Curse These Metal Hands!

While this is the worst of the TOS Trek films, it's got some of my favourite quality character moments between Kirk, Spock and Bones.

Opti_Frog

It's kind of distressing to see a Star Trek movie become a vanity project. And yet, here we are. An ego project for the writer/director, shoddy effects, awkward/unfunny comedy, ill-conceived themes and story and tonal whiplash. If this was a stand-alone movie, not part of a huge franchise, it could almost have appeared on Best Of The Worst.

Data Cable

Ok, here's some trivia for this flick: After the jailbreak, they're going through that access tunnel where they have to keep stepping over those yellow pipes near the floor... but the camera is moving smoothly past them. That's because they rigged up the set to have those pipes slid into place after the camera passed, before they came into frame.

Jean-Dominic Lapointe

Completely useless trivia: “I expect that’s Klingon for hello”. Klingons do not have a word for hello. It is considered disrespectful to waste someone’s time with chit-chat and small talk. The closest thing to hello they have is nuqneH, which means “what do you want?” There’s also Qapla' which denotes the concept of success and is usually used as a conversation end. So either “good luck”, or “congratulations” or “let’s do this” But strictly speaking, hello and goodbye do not exist in Klingon

Darren Harrison

I refer you to Bruce Woodcock's comment below where he said: "Gene Roddenberry also did not consider Star Trek V canonical, but by this time he was no longer involved with the making of Star Trek and was thus hostile to any new material. Despite this personal grudge, many other fans and writers questioned the canonicity of Star Trek V due to its numerous problems, and references to it since have been few and far between."

Leigh P

After you finish the TOS era movies, you need to react to the Futurama Star Trek episode.

Patrick47

To each their own, of course, but I've always quite enjoyed this film while still recognizing its flaws. As I have no desire to watch a negative reaction to it, though, I'll simply skip this week's Star Trek Day and look forward eagerly to the beginning of TNG season 3, which I hope you'll find more satisfying 🖖

Robert Durant

I will always defend this movie. I get it’s not the classic that Wrath Of Khan is or the comedic adventure that The Voyage Home is or the suspenseful Undiscovered Country. But I love this movie for what it is, it’s more character driven than anything else and I think Bones having to relive his dad’s death is probably the best moment in DeForest Kelley’s career.

TomGas2025

This is the prime example what happens to a movie when the budget gets constantly slashed and the screenplay gets rewritten numerous times. the original screenplay was quite different if I remember correctly. the realy good scenes like the first appearance of Sybok or the scenes where sybok confronts bones and spock with their pain were remnants of the original screenplay. Giving Shatner alls the blame for it is pure scapegoating from the producers.

TomGas2025

they do exist...these are reserved only for family and close friends. We see in DS9 that they greet each other

TomGas2025

cscreenplay was rewritten numerous times during production ordered by the producers, budget slashing, ILM was fully booked and they had to contact a different VFX Studio that had no experience with SciFi...

Phil

Really?👀 Which moments even get close to their best TOS moments? I personally find every moment between them in this movie to be incredibly forced, awkward and cringe. Even painful to watch at times. And nonsensical😅

StonyD

Roddenberry didn't like a lot of things, the next movie included. Doesn't mean it's removed from canon just because some writers or fans might have a problem with it. Otherwise we could decide to get rid of season one and two of TNG, Spock's Brain, and pretty much anything else we don't personally enjoy LOL I'm totally down with people not liking Star Trek V. But I've watched Trek since the early 80s and at no point have ever heard a single fan or person involved in the franchise mention that Star Trek V was "not canon". Silly, cheesy, ridiculous, dumb, etc.? Yes. But I've never heard anyone say it doesn't "exist". 🤷🏼‍♂️

Robert Cooper

I don't think anything needs to be said about this movie. I will say, David Warner's reading of, "Our new age died a quick death," has been rattling around in my head for 30 years. Just perfect.

photos_by_geoff

Subtitles brought to us by Wish or Temu! I try not to watch subtitles, since they usually spoil the next line, but I saw a few lines that were off, so I started to get distracted by how changed they were becoming. It was almost like someone had sent it thru a translator to one language and then back to English. To make the middle part of this movie better, it could be a fun drinking game to find every inaccuracy. LOL

John Smith

George, at least, has already seen it enough times to be able to reference it while watching TOS.

John Smith

So, what does Riker say in 2x20 - The Emissary, when he greets K'Ehleyr on the transporter pad?

Thall

I swear to god, when the Klingons shoot the glowy face they used the Tie-Fighter Blaster Soundeffect RIGHT out of Star Wars

DanTurismo

The worst of the TOS movies, imo. Don’t worry, the next one is one of, if not THE best.

David N

This whole movie feels like shatner had a bunch of bullet points that he wanted to get into the movie but put very little thought into stitching them together. It also seemed like sybok is supposed to be important because hes spoks brother rather than a magic being that can take away all your emotional pain in minutes? He helped an entire planet including 3 jaded government officials improve their life immensely and its just kind of brushed away with 'yeah but you SEEMED really suspicious so its not that special'. Kirk deems it to be wrong to explore your pain and then when sybok tries to take away the pain of 'god' he just dies and no one seems that broken up about it.

4drewk

6 is the last to focus on tos crew, then 7 is a passing of the torch to tng, and then 8-10 focus on tng

Jef Etters

I would just like to stick up for one aspect of this movie. Sybok suddenly being revealed as Spock’s brother is perfectly in character for Spock being private. Remember in Journey to Babel, Kirk and McCoy weren’t even aware that Ambassador Sarek and his wife were Spock’s parents. There is precedent here. Also the fact that Sybok’s mother was a Vulcan princess. Remember in Amok time that Spock is such a big deal that T’Pau, the only person to turn down a seat on the Federation council, and a super big deal, is officiating Spock’s wedding.

Ron

* Not my favorite movie by a long shot, but I don't hate it nearly as much as I once did. * Production problems: The 1988 Writers Guild strike prevented rewrites and polishing. So, as you put it, George, the script was "not fully baked". * Gene Roddenberry came close to suing William Shatner over the story ideas behind Star Trek V. Roddenberry wrote a script for Phase II, The God Thing, which involved God who is a starship from another dimension. It travels throughout the galaxy, sending probes to other races, taking different forms. One such probe appears on the Enterprise, taking the appearance of Jesus. (Sounds like V'ger to me.) * The studio insisted on the addition of comedic elements. * The budget was significantly cut for the climax which forced major changes in that scene. ILM wasn't available, and because of budget cuts, another (cheaper) company was hired. This work was, of course, much worse than ILM and, because of the volume of work, some effects were noticeably poor or simply not finished. * Teamsters Strike: A truck driver strike began at the start of production which forced the use of non-union drivers led to the destruction of a camera truck. * The Enterprise model had been featured in Star Trek Adventure, a joint project between Universal Studios and Paramount Pictures. In the spring of 1988, an effects staffer had sprayed painted matte grey on the model to avoid blue-screen issues. So, when it came time to film Star Trek V, the ship had to be completely restored. * Gene Roddenberry had decades of health issues which didn't become acute until his stroke in 9/89 (3 months after ST5's 6/89 release). After this, he was largely confined to a wheelchair. 2 years later, he had a second stroke in early 9/89 and passed away weeks later (10/24/91). ST6 was released 12/6/91. * Sean Connery and Last Crusade over ST5: He chose wisely.

Darth Fatass

The thumbnail is perfect Halloween costume for Simone!

Cinebinge

a matter of time. here is my schedule on recording days. 7:30 am - wake up, coffee, breakfast, answer emails/comments/messages accumulated over night. 8 am - editing / deal with any new copy right claims, re-edits, bug reports. 8 am - if no editing to be done then grocery/laundry/dishes 11 am - turn on camera begin recording 6 pm - finish recording. in between each movie/tv there is usually time for a bathroom break and thats about it. as throughout the day messages/emails/comments need to be answered. 6:30 pm - cook/eat dinner. 7:30 pm - editing. midnight - sleep. there is rarely any time to eat between 8 am to 6pm, and inevitably hunger will happen. but if it actually bothers you this much i will simply stop mentioning it.

p0sthum4n

Please keep mentioning it

Jaaahn

what even is the point of this comment. like did you actually think it just never occurred to George that eating solves hunger? and that you telling him to eat before recording is in any actual way useful??? like in your mind, do you actually imagine George sitting there going "ooooh fuck food is for hunger!!! why didnt i know that!!" if someone is hungry then theres probably a reason aside from just "why didnt you eat before". pretty simple stuff.

dasgrove

Hadn’t seen this one in years and I started to have the belief that I might had misjudged it. I had not. Worst of the bunch by far, but still love a lot of the little moments. I know all the issues can’t be laid at Shatner’s feet, but his sluggish direction didn’t help. Looking forward to saying goodbye to TOS with my favorite (neck and neck with the whales).

JH

Tbh… this film had its problems, but overall, it very vintage TOS Crew fair. However also, tbh, this film directed by Shatner, makes you even more glad for how the next/6th film gets done. Lots of the plot and writing elements that make it seem like the Final Frontier was a solid film were because of interventions by Leonard Nimoy and others… lots of elements that fell flat, were in part, Shatner’s.; in some of his interviews and memoirs he actually admitted his shortcomings as a director of the 5th film. The 6th film is done by a different director(Nicolas Meyer who directed films 2 & 4) and sets a completely different tone, which turns out to the great!

Angela's invisible airfryer (corey)

Yea this is the worst of the TOS movies. Shatner just can not direct, lol. It's still our old buddies but it's pretty rough.

Ron

Oh, yes, the writer's strike was in 88 not 98. Typo. Fixed. Thanks!

Flerb

had no idea a reactor's life was SO busy! Appreciate all the dedicated work.

Tony Johnson

I suspect the subtitle were based off a different draft of the script, or there was a lot of ad-libbing going on.

FranciscoGios

So after watching this movie who plays Saddam Hussein? George do you know? 😂

MacGuffinStuff

Okay, I intend to take issue lol. Just the Row Row Row thing, come on George what did you expect them to sing? (I'm not mad I just thought it was a funny observation) I imagine them singing Mr. Brightside 😆. But I mean, Shatner was born in 1931 dude. When Spock was about to say another camping tradition I was expecting ghost stories, or just funny stories, all at least as true as Fargo, that's what we did, not always, depending on who I went camping with. Camping is crazy though, let's pretend we're hobos but in the woods for a week, most people who have to live like that don't do it by choice but we do it for fun, that's just funny to me.

Happy Hanukkah

"The horses are an absolute nonsense." Guess who's a big horseman? :-)

MacGuffinStuff

What's crazy is I saw this, it was just on TV, when I was probably 13 ish, and I would say it probably contributed to my rebellious philosophical era. I was raised religious and since I think 9, I already had questions bordering on doubts about stuff. Not to offend anyone who is religious, I'm very open minded and I don't know shit about fuck*(Ozark, Julia Garner). But yeah I remember I wanted to read the entire Bible when I was 8 or 9, got well into the Old Testament but I kept going back to Genesis and being like "This sounds kind of made up". Then I kept reading, Jesus was awesome, but then you get to Revelations and then "Okay, what the fuck is this Lord of the Rings nonsense now?" Just kidding I didn't say that, I hadn't read Lord of the Rings, although I had seen and loved The Hobbit, man, them damn eagles are show offs, they only show up when they get to be the heroes in a huge scene.

Happy Hanukkah

Further in Shatner's defense: George Takei (Sulu) is famously not Shatner's biggest fan. And yet: "Takei said that, despite studio pressure to complete the film on time, Shatner maintained a creative and enthusiastic atmosphere on set. 'I have enormous admiration for his ability to block that kind of pressure from seeping on to the set.' ... Moreover, Takei acknowledged, 'despite our sometimes strained personal history, I found working with Bill [Shatner] as a director to be surprisingly pleasant.'"

MacGuffinStuff

Okay one more thing, do you think they leaned into the campiness a bit more because TNG was on and that had a more, I'll say it has more gravitas (because I never get to use that word)? Picard IS Gravitas.

Will Sofer

@Happy Hanukkah Yep, those are actually Shatner’s horses. That he apparently forced the studio to rent; I believe he even threatened to quit if they didn’t use the horses that he had bred.

Will Sofer

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what it is.

Happy Hanukkah

Nimbus III, "The Planet of Galactic Peace." Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant. :-) But I was glad to see Gorr was relieved of his pain.

Happy Hanukkah

Quote: Another thing that makes canon a little confusing. Gene R. himself had a habit of decanonizing things. He didn't like the way the animated series turned out, so he proclaimed that it was not canon. He also didn't like a lot of the movies. So he didn't much consider them canon either. And – okay, I'm really going to scare you with this one – after he got TNG [Star Trek: The Next Generation] going, he ... well ... he sort of decided that some of The Original Series wasn't canon either. I had a discussion with him once, where I cited a couple things that were very clearly canon in The Original Series, and he told me he didn't think that way anymore, and that he now thought of TNG as canon wherever there was conflict between the two. He admitted it was revisionist thinking, but so be it.

Will Sofer

They still have the Organian Truce going. So yes, while they’re technically still at war, it’s more of a “cold war” than a “hot” one.

Happy Hanukkah

Rocky V. Star Trek V. No wonder Lethal Weapon had the good sense to stop at IV. :-)

MacGuffinStuff

Oh shit I forgot about this! What a deep cut. That is awesome

Will Sofer

Yep. The idea of a “flat earth” comes from the description of the universe in the book of Genesis, which also describes the sky as a bronze dome with holes in it (these are the stars; their light is supposedly being emitted by God, who lives above the firmament). This is a tiny minority opinion throughout history, only held by the most zealous of biblical literalists. Everyone, throughout all periods of history from the classical era on, knew that the earth was a globe. Not only is this constant in the work of all classical philosophers and cosmologists, Ptolemy’s work on cosmology literally only makes sense if you assume that the earth is a globe. Christians were still reading these texts, and the earth is regularly depicted as a globe in Christian iconography. The icon of “Christ Pantokrator” is an image of Jesus holding the earth, as a globe (with a cross on top), in his hand. So almost no Christians throughout history, until fairly recently, believed in a flat earth either. With a few exceptions.

DonkyDave

You tell him George, love you

doe555

stay tuned for VI, it will be much better. You made it through the worst one in my opinion :'D

McShades

Yeah Star Trek V is known to be the worst Star Trek movie out of all of them, but Star Trek VI is a lot better.

Simon Pegged Me

Klingon Simone is the best thing to come out of this movie.

Simon Pegged Me

I enjoy hearing what you're craving, especially when it's movie related. It's like Babbish without the boring cooking.

Drake

this movie was always rated the "worst" of the classic star trek movies i think the rating is 5,5 and thats a huge gap to the 6,4 that the next "bad" Star Trek movies 1, 9 and 10 have. it follows the classical "bad/good/bad/good/bad/good/bad/good" star trek movie rating from 1-8 (sadly 10 was the only "even" numbered star trek movie that wasnt that good and probably killed the whole thing xD

Drake

dont worry, star trek 6 has an even number and these are the good ones xD i even argue 6 is my favorite of them all

Simon Pegged Me

I think you're right, George. Bones's accent is thicker in this movie than it is in previous ones. It's not as thick as it was in Episode 1 of TNG, but that's a high bar of drawl to surpass.

Opti_Frog

Yes, a total mess. Are you saying that this was at some point a brilliant movie that became a compromised vision?

Hugh Jass

Spoilers! Don't tell them who will be in it, or it will ruin the surprise.

SnabbKassa

but will they watch the [imho superior] extended version of it?

Marcus Hicks

What is fascinating is that, here in Australia, the "extended version" is what we got in both the cinema and on VHS. It was only when it moved to DVD that we suddenly got the cut-down version.

Doug

I'm one of the rare people that like this movie, it's definitely not my favorite but it's above TMP for me. I actually really love the "Row Row Row Your Boat" scenes

Marcus Hicks

Ouch, that clunky exposition on Nimbus III was painful to watch. You can so easily tell it was written by Shatner-and even an amazing actor like David Warner can't save that dialogue.

Doug

I'm sure this has been said before but the Star Trek books are considered "Beta Canon", in that they aren't official canon with the shows and movies

Jason

The reaction vs movie audio levels are often a source of frustration for me in the watch-without-a-copy Cinebinge reactions but this one was particularly problematic as in quite a few places I just couldn't hear George or Simone at all. If I could make a suggestion: the film audio would benefit from heavy compression (a good 10dB of gain reduction at least), re-leveled, and then EQ and possibly further compression with side chain from George/Simone's vocal tracks to improve clarity.

Marcus Hicks

Its up there with Wrath of Khan as my all-time favourite Star Trek film.

Marcus Hicks

He can't write either, as can be seen in the awful novels he has written. There is a reason why almost nobody knows that TekWar exists 😉

Marcus Hicks

One of the bigger sins of this movie is that it repeats the myth that Columbus proved the Earth was round.....when it had been fairly common knowledge in Europe since around the 3rd century BC. Heck, he wasn't even the first European to discover "The New World".

Logan Kerlee

Enjoyed watching this with you both as much as I could, but this movie was not my jam. :/ A good portion of it was cool but the rest was only bearable to just plain bad. Yeah - this film was not for me.

Logan Kerlee

That's a fair take Doug but it definitely isn't how I see it. Happy that you enjoyed the movie! :)

Logan Kerlee

lol, and why Empire was lucky enough to be the second film made! :P

Chris Davies

I always liked this one because of the synergy between the three main characters, and the character growth with them

RJ MacReady

Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country was far better and arguably the best of the TOS movies.

JoeNotCharles

I like this one better on a re-watch, now that I've seen more TOS and know that "they meet a being that claims to be God" is such a common plot. But it still ain't good!

JoeNotCharles

I figured it was because IV was such a hit that they decided the comedy was working, so they added more of it.

JBK405

There's 161 comments so I'll assume that people have already given most of the obligatory trivia comments. But yeah....this is The Bad One. There are disagreements over which movie is The Worst, but this one is always in contention. SF Debris summed it up very succinctly in his review: There are a lot of REASONS why this movie failed (Budget shortfalls, studio meddling, technological limitations, etc.), but it STILL failed. Knowing why doesn't make it a better film. The next film is leagues better and is in the running for BEST Star Trek film.

Jomero

I think Sybok is one of the more interesting Trek antagonists. He was just extremely underutilized and underwritten, and placed into a bad movie. I love villains who we can sympathize with and have a motive where they believe they are doing good and aren't in it for power. Some call this next statement blasphemy, but I personally think the next (and final) TOS movie is the best out of all of them. And yes, that includes Wrath of Kahn.

Ben Schwartz

The sound was A LOT better on this movie, as far as balancing you guys with the movie. The movie should be louder than you two, but of course you both need to be loud enough to hear as well. I'm probably a sound snob for even posting this, I apologize lol

Ben Schwartz

Yeah, it's not bad, but it is easily the worst of the TOS/TNG movies. Shatner wasn't a very good director... when it came to Star Trek at least. But I can still enjoy it for what it is.

Ben Schwartz

It's the best movie in that it's the newest and most closely approaching in style and setting to the modern Starfleet and Federation that we eventually get to know via TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. Everything is just sleeker. But I think Wrath of Khan is the best overall, followed by The Voyage home. Best storylines. Those are my two favorite TOS movies, so I may be hugely biased lol

Ben Schwartz

Yeah, I can tolerate this one... but I almost refuse to watch TMP. I find it that awful lol

Ben Schwartz

I think VI is the overall best-produced TOS movie. The storyline is okay, but not quite on the same level as, say, Wrath of Khan or The Voyage Home. But I think VI best-approaches how we've come to know the Federation/Starfleet, and the whole TNG/DS9/Voyager universe of Star Trek. Anyway, that's what I think VI's strength is.

Ben Schwartz

I'm just glad it wasn't the final sendoff for the TOS crew... they were able to get in one final movie before hanging it all up for good, and the movie is good enough to be worthy of the honor and significance of the final TOS movie... the series didn't end with a dud.

Ben Schwartz

I *loved* the mountain-climbing and campfire sequences... it was fun to see just the three of them interacting on a personal level like that, in a more familiar and contemporary setting.

Patrick - Excelsior

This movie had all the components for a good Trek movie but the execution was badly done.