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The Shape of Water (Patreon)

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The Shape of Water | Canadian First Time Watching | Movie Reaction | Movie Review | Movie Commentary

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Robert Cooper

It's still funny to me. Del Toro pitches a "Creature from the Black Lagoon" movie for Dark Universe. Universal say no, so he just makes it anyway. The keeps making Universal monster movies.... Not for Universal.

Marko T.

I recommend Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954). That and the sequel Revenge of the Creature are big inspirations for this. Del Toro did offer this to Universal first but they didn't like the idea.

Jay Johnson

now I'm curious if Simone's intro is a "Water Boy" reference. I'm also curious what position she played in high school basketball (or perhaps in small town basketball, kids didn't really specialize in positions as much. I'm by no means a basketball expert)

Emptysea93

Love this movie, such a great unexpected romance. However I would really love to see you guys react to a queer focused romance or comedy sometime though. I don’t think I have seen y’all ever react to a movie that is specifically queer and LGBTQ focused in your entire time reacting. It would be nice to see from you.

maikeru

not even half an hour into the movie and there's already short shaming, for no reason whatsoever.

JBK405

What an amazing, fantastic movie. This is close behind "Pan's Labyrinth" as my favorite of all Guillermo del Toro's catalogue. The basic idea for this film came from when he saw "The Creature From the Black Lagoon" and hoped that the Creature would end up with the girl. When everybody else saw the Creature as a Monster, he saw the romance and beauty that everybody else missed. Regarding the ambiguity of the ending, after my father saw this film I tried to go into “How much of the very ending was real, and how much might have been Elisa’s dying dream?” since I enjoy having those discussions. He just shook his head and said that it was all real. They lived happily ever after. There was no question or doubt. They lived happily ever after. Also, this film and "Hairspray" both take place in circa 1962 Baltimore and I absolutely think of the events of the two happening simultaneously.

Jay Johnson

Zelda said something about how short men always had bad attitudes. Maybe not getting enough oxygen down there or something. (paraphrasing from my not-so-sharp memory, so I might be off a bit)

Forsythe

Have George & Simone watched "Splash" ever?

Logan Nelson

I thought this was the M Night movie... Nope, that's Lady in the Water... Lol

Jay Johnson

I seem to remember a line earlier in the film that said that Elisa was found orphaned as a child by the water, with those scars on her neck (and unable to speak). Perhaps implying that she was actually born an aquatic creature with gills, and at the end of the movie, the creature just restored her gills similar to how he restored Giles' hair. (could also explain her habit of the fun bath times.... ) or maybe my mind just ties the plot of Aquaman into this one Also, I think Elisa was drawn to the creature after seeing how well he ate pussy.... [/bad joke]

blerbaberpaterb

oh in the movie, right. thought he meant something S&G said, was very confused.

GAB

There's a 1994 movie about Dr John Harvey Kellogg and his wacky beliefs called "The Road to Wellville".

REDR58

Yes with Anthony Hopkins!

Pam Nail

That was my interpretation as well. That she always had gills and the creature just enabled her to use them again.

jmundt33a

That would be fun.

Monica Alarcon

Yes, we have a Mariah Carey here in México, he's called Luis Miguel... as soon as december starts you hear his christmas album EVERYWHERE...

Matt Blanchette

I keep wondering if either of you were in the GTA while they were filming this... :-D

Juan Sanchez

Any chance you guys check out Marty supreme it’s worth a watch

Major Peril

When I first saw this Del Toro movie when it came out, I halfway expected the creature to be Abe Sapien from Hellboy (2004) or some such. Alas, this guy is no conversationalist, more like Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954). You know… the strong silent type. 😄 Great movie anyway.

Jpsynergy

I am extremely glad you guys didn't think this was connected in a meaningful way to Hellboy. Thought we might have another 10 Cloverfield Lane situation on our hands. Anyway, I love this movie. Looking forward to the reaction :)

Inkpendude

I've heard If you like fish sticks you are gonna love this movie

Stephanie Bedworth

I actually like that damn movie. I think I might be the only one though.

zak

I think Strickland's death works well because it might not have been as violent as you hoped, but ny read on it is in getting his throat cut he's being silenced, which based on everything we've seen about that with him is such an insult to him

Hasan Ahmad

One of the most overrated Oscar movies of all time . You guys will Make me enjoy it though

Max

I liked this movie when I watched it years ago, so I was interested to see if I would still like it. I did, but this time around I felt that the bad guy was a bit over the top, a little too cartoony.

Jose Robles

I like this movie but is the Del Toro movie that like the least

Holy Squire

Lovely movie and a lovely reaction. You'll notice that Michael Shannon's wife and kids are similar aesthetically to the advertisement pictures Giles (Richard Jenkins) paints or the pie shop Elisa and Giles go into. It is an advertising aesthetic from the 1950's to the early 1960's and the time the movie is set in.

Major Peril

Anyone else notice actor David Hewlett (Dr. Rodney McKay from Stargate SG-1, Stargate: Atlantis, Stargate Universe) introduced as Mr. Fleming, the head of Security, as the creature was being wheeled into the lab. It’s good to see him playing yet another annoying character as he seems to be well suited for those roles. 😁

Jeff Smith

I ditched critic reviews, talk shows and award shows years ago. I still exchange opinions with everyday people. Award shows are the worst. Winners are picked by panel of unknowns, even more reason to ignore them lol. It’s a so so movie, I usually only watch it with someone that hasn’t seen it. I wanted more from it though.

REDR58

Yep, just the same actor in a different but similar role, like how Bruce Spence played the Gyro Captain in The Road Warrior / Mad Max 2 and Jedidiah the Airtruk / The Flying Jalopy pilot in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. And that was the same series!

Marcus Hicks

Indeed, this and Pan's Labyrinth are also my 2 favourite Del Toro films.

Marcus Hicks

What's funnier is that, based on the timing, Universal turned down this film in favour of that atrocious "The Mummy" film with Tom Cruise.

Marcus Hicks

If you want to see more movies with this actress, I highly recommend you watch the Paddington films.

Philipp Roensch

In many respects, the wettest movie. Happy Valentines! This is the one GDT finally one the Direction Oscar for and was nominated for Best and Original screenplay. Honestly, I do like others a good bit more, but this is his best romance. I would also say, this is GDTs prototype for Frankenstein, he has always been building up creatures are also full persons and worthy of love. This creature is inspired by "The creature of the Black Lagoon" and a bit of other Swamp Thing stories. Another good movie with Sally Hawkings: The Lost King. A great movie with Michael Stuhlbarg: A Serious Man.

Philipp Roensch

Horrible Villains, with subject to change: Hans Landa, Amon Göth, Richard Strickland (this movie), Joffrey Lannister, Baron Harkonnen, White people in Get Out, Bill (later killed), (Some others, redacted for spoilers)

Ari Ramirez

I always thought the antagonist characters on this were just FAR too cartoonish, it really took me out of enjoying this movie more, especially given how good of a track record Del Toro had with villains in general. I know there's a lot of the aesthetic that is also exaggerated, and that adds so much charm to everything, but still. Killer performance by Sally Field though.

FranciscoGios

Yeah with 4 Oscars in his winning of making this movie Del Toro has this imagination that it wants you to actually feel the whole movie, it’s very unique. I do feel this creature did had the power to make a human into an amphibian like himself if they wanted to, what I’m saying I agree with Simone that they live happily ever after The End.

Jonathan Eaton

It's funny that he says to Octavia Spencer "What am I doing questioning The Help?". The Help (2011) is a Drama/Comedy starring Octavia Spencer.

Jonathan Eaton

They said Elisa was found in the water and has had those scars since she was a baby. I think she was born with gills and that's why her vocal cords don't work.

MacGuffinStuff

First time watch, somehow this one slipped past me. I don't know why I am always surprised by how good Guillermo Del Toro movies are, he somehow always blows my mind and with this, I guess a perfect movie for Saint Valentine's Day when you're a lone sci fi nerd lol. Seriously I loved this, definitely watching this again and again. Love that Richard Jenkins was cast too, he's so great I everything, just a small movie, late 90s, he was in, with Ben Stiller, Patricia Arquette, Josh Brolin, FLIRTING WITH DISASTER. Just a funny, quirky little movie, good for a hangover, so I'll probably watch it tomorrow.

MacGuffinStuff

Also, I chose to believe she was like a reverse Little Mermaid, or NO, maybe actuall Little Mermaid, she was one of them, they found her next to a river, she got Little Mermaided, and was lost. She even said, everything brought her to this moment, and she was a princess. I think Del Toro was doing his version of the Little Mermaid, the Hans Christian Andersen one, like he did with Frankenstein.

Jacob King

I love this movie. It got a lot of hype and then some backlash after it won the Oscar. Sincerity makes folks uncomfortable. Elisa’s backstory is that she was found by the river as a child and could never speak. I don’t think the happy ending is anywhere near as ambiguous as Pan’s Labyrinth. I choose to read it as she was also a water creature. There’s a Poe story, Hop-Frog, which has a similar romance plot. The Book of Ruth is another clue. It’s about a woman moving to a foreign country and finding a new home.

Jacob King

A Serious Man is my favourite Coen Brothers movie. It’s one of those rare movies that keeps getting better the more you watch and discuss it.

Jacob King

Post Epstein files I think we’re all going to have to recalibrate what we consider “realistic” in terms of villains

REDR58

Not on this channel, but it would be a great reaction.

REDR58

The General says he's known Strickland 13 years (since) the Battle of Pusan which was in 1950.

REDR58

Doug Jones is listed as “Amphibian Man” in the credits! Sally Hawkins gives a wonderful performance here. When this movie first came out it was somewhat disparaged as the movie where the woman fucks a fish. It is, of course, so much more than that. The first movie we see played in The Orpheum (the Elgin) is “The Story of Ruth” (1960). The tap-dance with Bill “Bojangles” Robinson and the young Shirly Temple on the stairs is from “The Little Colonel” (1935) which featured the first interracial dance in US cinema. Here are all the other movies seen in the movie: https://moviesinothermovies.com/2019/07/09/the-story-of-ruth-the-little-colonel-etc-in-the-shape-of-water/ Octavia Spencer was in another movie with a wind tunnel that you guys saw which was in “Hidden Figures.” In the "Hellboy" movie, Abe Sapien as played by Doug Jones eats rotten eggs! The box that Hoffstetler took out from under his floorboard was a safety deposit box from a bank. Hoffstetler is played by Michael Stuhlbarg who was in “Arrival,” the first “Doctor Strange” movie and “The Multiverse of Madness.” Nick Searcy plays General Hoyt and you saw him in “The Fugitive,” “Cast Away” and “Moneyball.” Speaking of Hoyt, this movie is set in 1962/1963 and the five-star ranking of US Air Force General Hoyt as mentioned in the movie is a little odd. In reality, there has only been one US Air Force general who ever attained that rank, and that was Henry “Hap” Arnold who became a five-star general while part of the US Army Air Forces in 1944. He was able to keep that ranking after the US Army Air Forces became the separate branch of the US Air Force in 1947 and there has not been another five-star USAF general since his death in 1950. Including Arnold, there have been a total of 5, five-star generals in the US Army starting in WW2 and for the Navy (other than Admiral George Dewey who was awarded a 5-star “Admiral of the Navy” for his actions during the Spanish-American War of 1898), 4 equivalent US five-star Navy admirals were awarded the rank during or shortly after WW2 and all of those men kept the rank until their deaths. The 1961 “Mister Ed” TV show with the talking horse, Mister Ed, is seen at one point. I almost wish they did not explain how Elisa and Amphibian Man sex and that Elisa just gave Zelda a wry smile. I mean, what do we learn? He’s got a penis? Or some sort of similar organ? Wow, intriguing. I think leaving it to our imagination is the better way to go. I am so glad they did not film "dry for wet" like in the Lord of the Rings movies for the underwater scenes because dry for wet *always* looks fake. That's really Hawkins underwater and it looks amazing. Baltimore’s water access is the Patapsco River which leads to the Chesapeake Bay and out to the Atlantic Ocean. Baltimore doesn’t have the canals or locks as seen in this movie, as that scene was filmed in Toronto. Don't you guys remember the entire season of "The Wire" set near the water at the port?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PZkuSNtQ1c You can see that photo of Shannon at a bar while watching the Oscars at this link: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/6/18348860/michael-shannon-shape-of-water-villain-watches-oscars-at-chicago-dive-bar Beautiful film. I hadn't seen it since it came out on disc in 2018.

OddThomas

Crimson Peak! For more Sally Hawkins: Paddington. Michael Shannon: Take Shelter

James W.

I am pretty sure the symmetrical neck "scars" and her origin as being found by a river as a child, and being unable to speak is all pointing to her being some sort so sea being from mythology. Some flavor of mer-folk. That is how I chose to take it. GDT makes beautiful strange, and horny films, Simone is on the money with how this film has Amelie vibes, To be a bit more specific, it has a very similar look to the early films of Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro. This film has many visual and tonal elements in common with 'Delicatessen', 'City of Lost Children', and 'Amelie' all of which I highly recommend, but may not be an easy sell as reacts because they are subtitled. Juenet et Caro had a wonderful collaborations that I never felt wasted my time or insulted my intelligence.

Thall

I think George had a bad influence on me, because near the end of the movie all I could think of was "Free Willy" and the logical conclusion "She certainly freed his willy".

Ashton Lewis

For more Sally Hawkins, you should watch Bring Her Back

OddThomas

Lady in the Water is great

OddThomas

Starman might be my favourite John Carpenter movie. It's such a 180 from his horror stuff

GAB

She also played Mrs Brown in Paddington and Paddington 2. In the latter one, the character was training to swim the English Channel, which I did wonder was a nod to her role in The Shape of Water. Probably not... For some reason, she was replaced by Emily Mortimer in Paddington in Peru.

elle

Wonderful film and reaction. I agree with the commenter above that suggested movie watchers are sadly growing ever-more uncomfortable with sincerity on film. BTW, this film presents a reverse version of the Orpheus and Eurydice myth (the movie theatre beneath the apartment is called the Orpheum) and tackles many themes related to creativity and art (Orpheus was the son of a Muse). 🦋

teem

Simone asking what if the creature is offended by eating an egg cause it might lay eggs took me out lmao

teem

I like to think Strickland’s reattached fingies rotted away because he doesn’t wash his hands after using the bathroom

paul rai

Most hate-worthy, despicable characters, my top 10: 1. Percy Wetmore - The Green Mile 2. Dolores Umbridge - Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix 3. Judge Frollo - The Hunchback of Notre Dame 4. Amon Goeth - Schindler’s List 5. Captain Vidal - Pan’s Labyrinth 6. Edwin Epps - 12 Years a Slave 7. Nurse Ratchet - One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest 8. Briony Tallis - Atonement 9. William Hale - Killers of the Flower Moon 10. Carl Hockley - Titanic

bdennis2004

I never thought I'd see the day where Simone is rooting for a character who killed the cat. I guess it was not curiosity.

Dan Holmes

I saw Michael Shannon in Chicago at a presentation with Tracy Letts for their film BUG, check it out it's crazy And please check out Blue jasmine which has a smaller role for the mute girl in this film, i don't remember her name, but she's definitely not mute in that one and is a totally different character lol Great films :)

Jesse Coombs

Sally Hawkins! She's also great in "Happy-Go-Lucky".

Jennifer Tremblay

Yes! This has always been my interpretation. She always had gills. I remember when this movie first came out, I had a discussion with some co-workers. They were surprised I loved it and found it beautiful because to them, the movie had a "human falling in love with a monster". My co-worker was disgusted by the movie. I explained to him that she was more like the creature than people thought because she was found in the river as a baby, the scars were meant to be gills, and the creature was also found in a river. She wasn't completely human.

Angela D. Mitchell

George, people can be voiceless due to physical damage to or loss of the voicebox or larynx. My sweet stepdad had laryngeal cancer for instance and lost his voice the final 2 years of his life. I love the movie, although it's flawed for me. The performances are wonderful -- Sally Hawkins, the great Richard Jenkins, Doug Jones, and Michael Shannon. And it's one of my favorite roles for the wonderful Michael Stuhlbarg, who's almost unrecognizable here as the young scientist from so many of his other superb roles -- as the father in Call Me By Your Name or the bad guy in Arrival, etc. He can do anything. And the entire thing is a work of art, from the practical effects to the production, creature, costumes, etc. As far as the villain, I felt like it was weird that there was no sign of the abuser at home, and I don't buy that. Why was his wife so cheery and in love with him? Why were the kids all happy and loving with him, with no signs of fear at home? I just don't buy that this guy wouldn't be abusive at home. And the core romance doesn't work for me. It's not Beauty and the Beast because the Amphibian Man just seems too primitive. Inside the "beast" isn't a prince, just another beast. He seems too animalistic and not sentient enough -- look at the horrible thing with he does to her friend Giles's cat (a scene I wish Del Toro had left out). Not the act of a sentient "man" but a visiting crocodile. I also felt like it was unnatural for Giles not to react with any grief at all for his cat. This is a lonely man. I hated that he just shrugged off the cat's death. To me it was artificial -- he isn't mad because it's easier to shrug off the creature doing this animalistic thing. So Eliza having sex with the Amphibian Man -- it creeps me out that she's so very into him so fast when he is undeniably super primitive and more like a wild animal than a thinking being. So her big monologue is lovely and Sally Hawkins sells the hell out of it -- except that what she describes as "seeing her as she is" wouldn't be much different if she were describing a beloved pet. There is no mind to mind connection there for me. So Eliza & Amphibian Man is just kind of icky to me. I do get a glimpse of potential sentience in the Amphibian Man and those deeper echoes of what I wanted in that very last scene, but for me it was a little bit too late. Still, it's a lovely film, with some haunting gorgeous moments.

Kenny Klook

Exactly right, James W. When she says “he sees me as I am” it is further evidence that her origins are from the water. She even dreams in water.