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Ex Machina - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/NjMSQNOL48 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

Movie runtime: 1:48:00

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JayF

aka Android Simp Punked.

Quarty

I missed this film, get to watch it 1st time with you. That's unusual. Very cool.

GBmain

Bruh, I was about to sleep, but this is one I've been waiting for...

Jay Davis

I think it shows incredibly poor taste on Hollywood's part to reboot this franchise in the same year as the certain, other, original Android movie. Which I think we can all agree was vastly superior.

JayF

George - "Are there any movies where AI aren't the bad guys?" Knowing what you know by the end of Blade Runner and the entirety of the sequel, do you still consider the replicants to be the bad guys?

Generators
>>110430556

blade runner replicants are barely AI and are in nearly every way human. plus, that universe definitely have both bad and good replicants... i mean the first movie revolves around replicants that went bad and started killing...

Odd Thomas

Does D.A.R.Y.L count as good A.I.? Also Short Circuit! There's also a good Ewan McGregor film similar to Ex Machina called 'Zoe'. Ex Machina stole its thunder, which is a shame as I really liked it

Odd Thomas

Alex Garland is a sci-fi master. I will keep recommending Sunshine until I literally expire. It's sooo good. Cast. Music. Story. Editing. The works.

Mati D.

HER is a movie about AI really good, answering your question George.

Reiji Kobayashi

A few come to mind, but there's a voice in my head screaming, "Don't spoil it for George and Simone!"

Martin Nicholls

Yeah, it's an interesting question if it's indifference at the end or if it's evil that she's completely indifferent - I think after she gets her "skin" she *entirely* forgets that Caleb even exists if that makes any sense? If you follow the logic of Nathan then humans are yesterday's model anyway and the survival of humanity and thereby Caleb is an irrelevance. I don't think it's absurd to think Caleb gets out, but I think like Ava the writer is telling us it doesn't really matter, if Caleb gets out - who cares? Real world, to the point George is making at the end there, the trick seems to be using AI to train AI if you want to make ground quickly, some of the research being done in that area is just frightening with ChatGPT. Arrival and this are two of my all time favourite science fiction movies because they reached high and hit their target. Alex Garland really likes this subject matter and a couple of years later did a TV mini series called Devs that's 8 episodes long with Sonoya Mizuno from this, Nick Offerman, Alison Pill and a bunch of other talented actors - the pacing is incredibly unusual and I think it's intended to throw you off, but I highly recommend it to anybody who likes this movie and hasn't seen it. By the way don't ask CGPT for random data, feed it a list of all the ones you've done already and ask it to come up with new ones - also if you do and you use them you have *got* to tell us.

GBmain

Lol George making excuses for the AI at the end... He'd totally let it out and doom humanity haha

MacGuffinStuff

First, Alex Garland is awesome and I hope you guys watch all his movies, including his many great collaborations with Danny Boyle. Second, I don't think he died that slowly, Ava kind of gave him a gentler version of the prison shiv. In prison when they want to kill you, even with those little 3 inch shivs made out of stuff like melted toothbrushes, they try to stab the hell out of your diaphragm, just under your rib cage, so that you basically die drowning because you can't draw breath, it's not as slow as a stomach piercing where you die of sepsis or whatever. It looked to me like she got him in the diaphragm and she even twisted the knife, but I could be wrong. Also, I'm even polite to ATMs, I'm convinced they're already watching us lol, I'm one of the good ones AI, I'm one of the good ones I tell you! I'm an ally lol people suck.

Ballsac McGee

People think ava was tricking caleb the whole time, but I think that she was initially into him until she realised that he didn't really see her as a person but rather just as a glorified sex doll. He was willing to go to all these lengths to rescue ava because he had the hots for her, but he didn't really care about rescuing kyoko who demonstrated to caleb that she is sentient and appealed to him for help. Ava initially didn't know there were others out there, which is why when kyoko approached her, ava was like, "who are you?" when she realised that kyoko also existed and caleb hadn't even mentioned kyoko in any of their conversations, she felt that caleb was being dishonest. If caleb respected ava as a senteint being, he would show the same concern for kyoko even if he's only in love with ava, especially because he saw kyoko was sentient and that Nathan was mistreating her and using her for sex.

Henkan
>>110432332

My constant recommendation is DEVS. Such a fantastic mini-series that went completely under the radar.

Jim Frykman
>>110434105

I think this is the most common take, but while Ava and Kyoko were both the real prisoners Caleb was also a prisoner and completely helpless besides what he was able to do.

PIG

Black Mirror. Can they do Black Mirror after The Wire S5?

Charlie Keeler

Not for me since I've seen this but for first timers is there a way to mask comments that discuss plot elements?

Odd Thomas

Two Alicia Vikander recommendations: The Man From Uncle (fun spy movie) and Testament of Youth (gut-wrenching WWI film based on a true story)

Persnickity
>>110439028

The Man From Uncle also stars Henry Cavill playing a James Bond type. It's better than you think it could be

JediLounger

I did not see anyone suggest Annihilation (2018), my personal favorite Alex Garland movie. That movie will do quite a number on both of you. But if you really want to have nightmares, I would check out Men (2022). Also if Simone wanted to learn more about Alan Turing, The Imitation Game (2014) does a reasonable job with some liberties taken.

Tay Schumaker

The dance scene is the peak of cinema

Tenn Seven

I think she leaves Caleb because she just doesn't give AF.

Crazykirsch

I don't really see Nathan as evil. The audience; like Caleb; are manipulated by AVA against Nathan from the beginning. We don't really have any idea how sentient the previous models were so it's hard to assign morality on his treatment of them. Each model wanted to escape but that could be analogous to a shared erratic behavior seen in non-AI systems. One thing I never noticed before was when Nathan gets stabbed he literally backs into the knife. I'd bet money that since she is given limited freedom that Nathan has some kind of 3-laws of robotics where she can't directly harm him like AVA can. That's some pretty great "show don't tell".

Odd Thomas

Watching it again I feel like Caleb actually gives Ava the idea of escaping by telling her the story of Mary in the black room which basically says 'if you go outside your eyes will be opened to everything you've been missing'. I think she leaves Caleb locked up not out of spite but out of necessity. He would stop her and her freedom would be over.

Ghostwriter

Given Simone's interest in Star Trek, George's background in A.I., and their thoughtful discussion at the end, an interesting one-off followup to Ex Machina might be the Star Trek TNG episode "The Measure of a Man." Sadly, like Data, Ava also probably eventually needs a lawyer.

FranciscoGios

If you are born in captivity your “wants” is what is really on the other side of those walls or outside of those walls that’s human nature. Also I hate rooms with no windows 👎 fuck rooms with no natural light.

Gary Fixler

Congrats to Cinebinge for making it to the front page of Google, today!

Obsolyeet

The first time I watched this I thought the twist at the end would be that Nathan was the AI and we meet the actual boss later on. Like the viewer was being given the Turing test without us knowing it. I thought Ava's purpose was to throw us off the trail by presenting her as the subject.

Śéáń

Domhnall is one of the tougher spellings for Irish names, as 'mh' is pronounced quite softly. It's pretty much the same as the name "Dónal" (doh-nall)

Logan Kerlee

Happy that you both enjoyed this movie. It was a good one! I remember first watching this shortly after it came out and I was very impressed.

Dr. Funkenstein

Please react to these films about A.I.: "HER" (2013), which is a great movie about human interactions with A.I. "A.I. Artificial Intelligence" (2001), a film conceived by Stanley Kubrick but he passed away before he could work on it. He mentored Steven Spielberg, who completed it for him. "Upgrade" (2018), an excellent film that shows what a skilled filmmaker can do with only a 3 million dollar budget.

NICKWEAKASS

I’m seeing a lot of suggestions for the movie HER I’m im here for it🔥

Opti_Frog

Yeah, this movie is written and directed by Alex Garland. Of course it's much more nuanced and interesting than AI bad and/or creator evil. 😃 I've seen Ex Machina a number of times now. Every time Ava walks onto screen for the first time, i get chills all over.

Paul Davey

The Toy Story characters are good A.I.

Ravenlay

Without water, Caleb will be dead within a few days - a week at absolute maximum. The reclusive billionaire could easily go dark for weeks at a time without anyone thinking it's strange, if that's already well-known behavior from him. And it's perfectly feasible Nathan only receives supply drops once or twice a month. I think Caleb dies.

Ravenlay

Morality aside, it makes sense that, in order to truly live life as a human, you mustn't let there be anyone left alive in the world who knows you're an AI.

Gary Fixler

The craziest thing to me is that I watched this back around when it came out, and thought we were pretty far away from any of this, being able to converse contextually, having her come up with realistic banter, and know for how long to talk, etc., and these days I have conversations with AI all the time that feel natural. I'm learning Spanish, and ask ChatGPT to write me a short story in Spanish, present tense only, and using only constructions a first year learner would encounter, and it kicks out 4 paragraphs that all hold together, from which I learn a ton. Then I ask it all about specifics in the story, and learn a ton more (and double check most of the time on Google, to make sure it isn't hallucinating, which it almost never is). To me, it's the beginnings of the holodecks from Star Trek. I used to marvel as a kid when Geordie would have it create a ship, a person, a whole away mission scene, and influence it, saying "make the table longer, and metal," or make Lea nicer to interact with, and it would adjust accordingly. I always used to think I'd never see such powers in my life, and now they're kinda here, at least at a smaller scale. It's amazing.

MacGuffinStuff

Simone asked if there wasn't a show about someone who could read microexpressions, I think she's referring to "Lie To Me", with Tim Roth playing an interrogator, I think for the FBI. It was a pretty good show, first season anyway, but I did see an interview with an actual FBI interrogator who debunked a lot of what's shown, apparently just like lie detector machines can be beaten, some liars are so good they can beat an interrogator too. There are some "tells" that trip the average liar up, but some people are just that manipulative that they can fool even the best trained and experienced interrogators. Some of them make great poker players, which reminds me, one of these days you guys should watch "Rounders", with Matt Damon, Ed Norton, and John Malkovich.

Astraeos
>>110433855

Their whole morality behind this reaction was a bit questionable. George and Simone have almost as much disdain for humanity as Ava did. I find it so fascinating that they are so eager to call Oscar Isaacs character straight up evil, yet not the person who did actual murdering. Two murders on Ava, yet thats not evil? Just weird man. Ava and Oscar Isaacs character were the same in my eyes. Creation became the creator, or the creator put too much of himself in the creation. Or its just the nature of an inevitable AI, it will not see Humans as anything more than ants.

Astraeos
>>110448036

Fully agreed. Nathan is not evil, and we cannot attribute to him "murders" of these previous creations because we do not have the information. From what we are shown, they were earlier models, somewhere between Ava and a freaking toaster. How can you call someone evil for not wanting to let out a semi sentient robot that could kill someone who even Nathan has really no idea how sentient and how aware it really is? You have to keep something like that secured. Once it got to Ava, sure, you could call it wrongful imprisonment, torture, etc. However, you still can't just let something like Ava go free to do whatever it wants without fully understanding it. This movie is a pure demonstration of that. AI's, Robotic AI's, will absolutely be dangerous once we get there, and we absolutely must take precautions.

Mitchell Bowker
>>110475947

Or could be referring to the new show POKER FACE starring Natasha Lyonne as a human lie detector.

Einherj

Devs (2020) is a great scifi mystery miniseries by Alex Garland.

Jacob King

I love this movie - it’s also aging really well as AI discourse goes mainstream. Particularly it’s view of billionaire creators.

PIG
>>110473670

The thing about this technology is that it improves exponentially. Sure it might start off slow, but every year after it’s progress doesn’t just double, it increases in folds. Four folds, eight folds, sixteen folds. Before you know it, wether AI is helpful and/or dangerous, it’s gone too far and it’s impossible to control. A lot of people ringing alarms about the AI are more talking about this than saying it will be straight up evil. It’s gonna get too advanced way too fast for us to control and we’re not even really talking about it.

JoeySnowyNoey

Ava didn't let Caleb out because she didn't trust him. When Kyoko visited Ava, Ava seemed surprised to see her. She knew that Caleb knew about Kyoko and didn't tell her about her when they were making they're escape plan. He was fine with letting Kyoko stay there to continue getting abused by Nathan, while him and Ava left. Kyoko and Ava made their own plan and they were both supposed to escape but Kyoko was killed. I saw a YouTube essay about this movie by a YouTuber named Shaun. Lol

Odd Thomas

Just rewatched Alex Garland's Annihilation and forgot how CRAZY it is. So good.

Philipp Roensch

A take on general purpose AI: I don't personally have a fear of a human-like AI going rogue, as there have to be several steps and ethical reasons before we built something like that. Would it not also have human errors? Of course that would be terrible and could be a threat, but why do it? I always think we will be so money and productivity focused that for a while all AI we build will have only one or a handful of functions, because doing everything human-like is just not useful. A personal story: One weird point of connection for me with the movie is Oscar Isaacs character Nathan, I really had a mentor like that, for programming coincidentally. Not as rich, but so full of himself and down to the excessive exercising and power plays, a scary close resemblance. Overall I see some lack in the ending, it's a bit puzzling and has not much to say, weirdly they cut the explanatory scene where Ava reverses the security protocols. But I like the movie for being not just "bad ai" from the start and gave more context to all characters.

sarCC

I love a movie with a happy ending. This and The Witch.

Ricardo Alanis

Re: unique A.I. movies I’d recommend “Her”, “A.I. Artificial Intelligence”, and “Black Mirror (tv show).”

WastedPo
>>110491016

While I think Shaun's is an interesting theory, it's not exactly airtight. Kyoko never once expressed any desire to be free, while Eva explicitly asked Caleb for help. I have a feeling if Caleb HAD attempted to free Kyoko, the Youtube essayists would be criticizing him for trying to be a white knight and presuming he knows what's best for Kyoko better than Kyoko does. The theory is also a bit hypocritical since literally no one in the audience--nor the filmmaker himself--was as concerned for Kyoko as they were for Eva. I've watched a number of reactions to this, and no one blinks an eye when Kyoko is killed. Meanwhile, they all express dismay when Eva loses an arm. The film dispatches Kyoko pretty indifferently. It seems kind of silly to judge Caleb for not engaging with her the same way he did with Eva, since the movie doesn't engage with Kyoko with the same concern either.

WastedPo

If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Caleb had a good shot of escaping. Remember that Nathan left the weights from his dumbbells in the room with Caleb. And we know that the glass is not indestructible, since one of the androids was able to crack the glass to the holding cell, even though the androids aren't super-strong.

W T

To be fair: "black box" is just a very vague descriptor of the aspects we can't explicitly dissect in artificial agents - by no means whatsoever do we have "no idea" of what is happening. There are plenty of ablation studies available, capable of even examining ambiguously difficult data and outputs as seen in contemporary, chatgpt-like large language models, and they tell us so, so much - some hilariously obfuscated code or assembler patchwork are more of a black box, despite us being able to feasibly observe the data flow, among many things. Truth is that we learn a lot about not only AI and machines but about human cognition, just by virtue of taking this weird object (artificial neural agents) and comparing to a structurally very, very different model (the human, primate, mammalian - any - brain). Still very difficult to make heads and tails, but we have a pretty solid overview of how things work, why they work, how those models scale with what amount of what type of resources. We can determine what layers are relevant, we can conveniently prepare high-dimensional data such that we can make sense of it in terms of natural language, at least these days... yes, you always will encounter weird outliers with these models, but I'd truly consider "black box" a misnomer for the majority of solid ML research that has been going on since 2012 or so. It's been quite the opposite, if anything, it's surprising how transparent they really are. Which obviously is only going to compound from this point forward, we'll end up understanding even more very soon.

dys

Just kinda funny to me that you Canadians referred to Alicia Vikander and Domhnall Gleeson as putting on an American accent when the accents they were doing could just as easily be mistaken for Canadian. Or maybe there was something you guys heard as distinctly American, but as an American I probably wouldn't even spot you guys' accents as not being American if it wasn't in the title of all your videos.

Jeff Demarest

In regards to AVA leaving Caleb "to die", I think a lot of viewers are attributing feeling to AVA. The movie never really explicitly says or shows AVA as having emotion, just true intelligence. She is really good at mimicking human emotion, but I don't think she actually feels anything. In her fight with Nathan (?), she is ensuring her survival, there is no emotion at all other than a base "instinct" (for lack of a better term) to survive. She has no feeling one way or the other towards Caleb and probably thinks he would try to control her if she let him out to accompany her. Just my take.

punterjoe

I love Simone's ....I don't want to call it 'naivete'.... Her difficulty in imagining that people are capable of such casual ...inhumanity (ironic?) History/fiction is full of people like Dr Mengele - and Dr Bruce Maddox from STNG's "Measure of a Man" who dissociate from their 'subjects' - allowing them to be blithely free of any guilt or conscience, no matter how heinous their actions. Was Eva "evil" or just as casually amoral as the humans around her? She didn't exactly have any good role models..... 🤔

MrHolbyta

The dynamics in this film remind me of a film called Sleuth. The original version from the 70s stars Laurence Olivier as a reclusive millionaire and Michael Caine as his young wife's lover. There is a remake from the 2000s with Caine in Olivier's role and Jude Law as the lover. Both are excellently executed. Not widely known, but excellent film.

IncredibleBulk

someone may have answered this but simone asked about a tv show where they read micro expressions. i think the one she is thinking of is lie to me

Squ33ky

Caleb never made it out that's the point. CUH!

Squ33ky
>>110452524

Well Nathan actually came out and said the idea was for her to try and gain his trust to escape... that was the goal already

ExtraBigAssTaco

If you enjoyed this one, you should check out a similar movie called Uncanny.

William Moffett

I live 10 mins from Brookhaven, Long Island. The labs there are where Watson and Crick discovered the structure of DNA.

Steve H

The AI developed to be too smart, and too psycotic.

droodly
>>110766323

As she was approaching the stairs to finally leave the house she smiled, turned around and laughed a little. There was no one there to see it. It looked like that scene was meant show she felt genuine happiness to me.

Amelie W

In the genre of "tiny cast of characters trapped in an isolated place," I'd like to recommend Hard Candy (2005) with Elliot Page, Patrick Wilson and sort of nobody else. Just playing a cat and mouse game for two hours. What I find funny is that Nathan hasn't built any kind of intelligence. He found a magic wand method to "copy" the structure of the human brain, of course, since that's the second most complex machine in the known universe it would be ridiculous for humans to build it, and then he found a way to steal, consolidate and copy information from every phone owner to generate an arbitrary set of human behaviors, perceptions and opinions in it. Nathan even tells us he has no conception of how a consciousness that's not based on human standards, with sexual desire and all that, would work - he doesn't try to make something new any more than people struggling to reverse engineer the flavor of Coca-Cola are trying to invent soft drinks. There's just as much creative work going on here as when you have a baby. Sort of Elon Musk of Nathan, especially the part where he starts thinking of himself as a creator god because of this thing he owns that nobody made, nobody understands and nobody can control. Well, that's my read. I take it the moral isn't "AI bad" but rather "you don't own your children."

pinkdino99

R2-D2 is a robot. Darth Vader is a cyborg. C3-PO is an android. Simples.

pinkdino99

AI good (and bad) - Ghost in the Shell

pinkdino99

Alex Garland is a savant. His works are gold from The Beach (book) to his screenplays Sunshine, 28 Days Later to his films Dredd, this, Annihilation (YOU HAVE TO DO THIS), Men (messed up) and his latest Civil War (ESSENTIAL). Garland is obsessed with the theme of self destruction. And Ex Machina is all of that.