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Moneyball - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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No Sync Required Version: https://cinebingers.ca/1Aw7y4zhr0 - For Patreon tier "Bingers on The Wall" or higher.

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Jay Davis

As much as I wish Field of Dreams had fared better, I will enjoy this as well.

JediLounger

Alright, let’s see if you guys can gel with what Billy Beane was up to. Side note, George have you watched the episode where Bart learns French in France (Episode is The Crepes of Wrath.)? How is that episode handled in French? lol. Edit: I totally forgot Kotick was in this lmao. Hopefully as of January 1st he’s gone for good (doubtful but one can dream). He’s a multi billionaire now so please just go away lol. Second Edit: finished it with you guys, you did gel with Billy and his ideas. Figured you would. If you want to check out another movie that weaves baseball and life together, Fever Pitch (2005) would be something I think you would enjoy. That movie has multiple interesting stories behind it. For the others on the board here, I am deliberately being vague. Spoilers, etc.

Jon

eum Georges.... I'm French, and we don' do that... "Zap" is "Zap"... period. :) that's so weird.... maybe it's a Canadian French thing I don't now, or a bad translation...

GBmain

I've been looking forward to this one... been a bit of a drought for me with regards to movies I'm interested in (except for It 2 and Fury)...

Elder Lyons

i agree, fuck Bobby Ko-dick. that guy is the absolute worst, and really unfortunately for everyone else, he 'won' capitalism

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

Truman Capote was the author of “In Cold Blood” and the movie was made by the same director as this film. It won PSH his Oscar and is a crazy good performance. Definitely worth checking out too :D

Tay Schumaker

All of the stock footage is real games with the real players. You can see the actual Hatteberg home run here https://youtu.be/nP29Ig9nPNs?si=mx9AueSNocj1QS0E And he wasn’t scared of the ball, he was scared of the ball being hit to him when he played first because he wasn’t confident playing there.

Tay Schumaker

And the :05 starts are to allow for all the pregame stuff. National anthem, roster announcement, etc

Odd Thomas

It's basically an underdog story, which naturally make for the most satisfying sports movies. Other iconic baseball movies: The Natural The Rookie (Dennis Quaid) A League of their Own Field of Dreams

JayF

Even though I'm not a fan of baseball I've always enjoyed this one because it's about a fight against the orthodoxy. I'm sad that Field of Dreams didn't win but similarly the larger themes in it aren't exactly about baseball. Hopefully you'll pick it for a reaction sometime because it's a really special movie.

dieselbeast

Is this the most exciting sports movie? Absolutely Not lol is it entertaining? Yes, is it worth watching? Abosulety!

Odd Thomas

You want another Philip Seymour Hoffman villain? Watch Punch Drunk Love. Then watch the other great Paul Thomas Anderson movie with Hoffman: Magnolia.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

All that spitting is chewing tobacco, it's not as popular nowadays but baseball players and managers were known for it back in the day. Baseball is a weird sport, confidence matters in all sports obviously but it's so easy to get into slumps in baseball, it's freakish. So baseball players are arguably the most superstitious of any sport. It's also odd because there is no time limit, you play at least 9 innings but there are no ties in baseball so they keep playing until there's a winner, and the thing is, home team always gets the last at bat, the last chance to score. Another weird thing about baseball is the field dimensions are not standardized, the infield is but because often in the past ball parks were built in irregular spaces the outfield dimensions vary, making it easier to hit home runs in certain parks. Too much to explain but one more thing, hitting a major league pitch is one of the most difficult things to do in all of sports, they throw so fast most people can't even see the ball coming at them, and that's just fast balls, there are also breaking balls that curve and fool the eye, change ups that throw off the batters rhythm, and more, don't even get me started on knuckle balls that appear to defy the laws of physics. All that makes baseball an absolute nightmare to bet on. For instance, my Dodgers just lost the damn division series this week, three games to nothing, after a great year they choked, AGAIN.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

Btw that player on the Kansas City Royals who hit the 3 run homer that made the game 11-10 was Mike Sweeney, he went to my high school, before my time but when he played our baseball team won the state championship multiple years. He grew up a few blocks from me and his mom used to babysit my little sister.

Tay Schumaker

The sequence with the 20 game streak is one of my all time favorite moments in film. I’ve watched it so many times and it still gives me goosebumps. The real footage with Costas talking over it and other real world announcers. It’s so well done

Tay Schumaker
>>119793469

Magnolia would be great. Not sure it would get a lot of views so I don’t know if they’ll watch it. But since they did Boogie Nights I’m hoping.

Grand Moff Slackin'

So glad y’all enjoyed this one! And yes the flag unrolling happens every game. The guitar shredded anthem is only for special occasions.

beefjerkywizard

You've watched at least on Sorkin before (A Few Good Men). Great review as always!

J.R.
>>119790945

I would throw in a shout for 'The Master'. Directed by Paul Thomas Anderson with a phenomenal PSH performance where he and Joaquin Phoenix have some really brilliant scenes.

Samuel Bruce

Hard not to be romantic about baseball.

Dr Ozzy
>>119794045

That's awesome. He and his wife lived in my neighborhood in KC. Nicest people on Earth.

Dioskur

George I did exactly the same when learning english: I watched the Simpsons in the original version after allways watching it translated to German. Some jokes just don't translate very well. Like there is an episode in a very early season where Bart is thrown out of the Flanders' home for bad language and the joke is that he says "but but but..!". In German the two words the joke relies on (but/butt) are not the same (aber/Hintern) but they STILL translated it literally and it makes zero sense for Bart so say "Hintern Hintern Hintern..!". But in other instances they translate jokes that would work well, mainly when it is about religion or politics or celebrities related to the USA. My suggestion is listening to a reading of LOTR. That works perfect afaik because the guys that translate THAT are insanely dedicated! How many languages will you be able to speak after learing the tongue of the frogs? :)

dieselbeast

till this day the Oakland athletics still suck lol brad pitts character method of winning was very short term sighted lol

Trevor S Bright

Philip Seymour Hoffman has played good guys before. Twister for example. Truman Capote was an author. He mostly wrote short stories or full fiction novels, his most famous being "Breakfast at Tiffany's" which was adapted (& changed) by Hollywood. Truman was a somewhat eccentric writer who was best friends with Nelle Harper Lee, as in author Harper Lee who wrote "To Kill a Mockingbird"......the movie "Capote" covers Truman's inspiration to write his greatest novel "In Cold Blood", the novel which coined the phrase "non fiction novel"...and probably was 1 of the 1st instances of "true crime" in mainstream media....Philip got an Oscar for playing Truman.

Jay Davis

I've not made it to the movie part of the reaction yet. Simone's description of baseball sounds like a 6 year old's explanation. Also, "The Accountant"!!! THAT'S a movie they should watch!

Martin
>>119798446

Incorrect. Billy Beane ushered in the age of analytics in regards to team-building, and although there has been an ongoing debate of analytics vs. old school scouting, it cannot be argued that the teams that include analytics into their philosophy have outperformed those that don’t. This isn’t just baseball, either. This reliance on statistical and data-driven team-building permeates all major team sports. Look at the success of the New England Patriots in football and the Golden State Warriors in basketball as proof. Those two franchises built the foundation of their success on the use of analytics, and they’ve got ten championships between them to prove it.

Logan Kerlee

Seriously enjoyed watching this with you both! It was such a fun watchalong! Very happy that this won the poll. :) I'm divorced and I quit wearing the ring once things ended on paper. I don't know or understand his actual reasons for him choosing the stay with his team. I'm not a baseball fan. May've been a romantic feeling but I've got no clue. My actual response to the reaction of the movie itself will be below this, like usual. :)

Logan Kerlee
>>119801701

This is the first baseball movie that you two've watched on here? Wow! xD Most of what Simone while it's COMPLETELY disjointed was kinda sorta pretty darn accurate. Wowww... I felt like I knew very little about baseball but you two, WHOA! xD lol, good job reigning in the reaction before the reaction began George. :P lol, then you mention reigning it in! hahahaha I really hope that you both enjoy this movie. Pretty sure that I voted for this one. If a team trades or doesn't pay a player, they can no longer play for whatever team they were on. So, if a team doesn't pay a player they won't want to play for whichever team. Right, George! This movie's about numbers. It's a math person's dream sports movie. Huh, Scott's from or is in Seattle when he was introduced at least. Just realized that. Saw on his tv that it was a Seattle channel. :) They don't do the flag thing every game, no. This is the first game of the season though - so it's a big one. I love that - bullet to the head or five to the chest. hahahaha, you're not alone George! I forgot that he was in this. Baseball players, coaches and fans are VERY superstitious. This is something that's always been a thing. lmao, wow George. Okay - there are nine innings in full game of baseball. The top is one side and the bottom is the other. In baseball each team plays until they have three outs, once that happens sides are changed, from the top to the bottom.

Logan Kerlee
>>119787682

While I voted for this and am happy that it won, I too would've enjoyed Field of Dreams.

Logan Kerlee
>>119794309

An absolute FeelsGoodMan moment! Watching that always puts a smile on my face. :)

W T

Big Short, do Big Short!

Logan Kerlee
>>119794822

I've been to a couple MLB games and I totally spaced that they did the flag unrolling each game. Pretty darn cool. :)

Odd Thomas

There hasn't been an Aaron Sorkin script that I didn't love. The Social Network is the obvious one but Molly's Game is great too - both are based on true stories.

Jay Davis
>>119802166

Such a fantastic movie. I wasn't a homeowner back then, and I have a career where the jobs were safe. I really didn't even know much about the housing crash to be honest. I just lucked out and was ready to buy after the crash happened. The Big Short tells the story SO well, and it's funny/entertaining along the way.

Onno Smits

Hey George! Your comment of enjoying watching competent people do things competently made me think of this recommendation: The TV show Flashpoint (2008). You'd really like it I think! I doubt you'll do it for reaction content (though having Simone cry every episode would be highly exploitable 😂) as it's not really available very well. Paramount+ and Amazon have it, and I believe AppleTV+ may do too. It's a Canadian TV show, so that's why it's not as freely available to stream anywhere.

Ian Forbes

Doing some Googling, Billy was making $1 million per year when he turned down the Red Sox and he is now the Exec VP for the A’s, making $3 million per year.

JP11

It is so painful how clueless you guys are about sports 😂😂 thanks for doing this one. One of my favourite movies ever

Brandy Sawyer

Billy Beane is actually remarried. They just didnt show his wife at all. Thats why he is wearing a wedding ring.

JP11

Heres some explanations to your many questions. 1. Players usually dont have a say in if theyre traded or where to as theyre under contract. Some players (usually the better ones) have clauses in their contracts that limit if and where they can be traded to and if they have a say in it 2. The money totals at the start of the movie were the player payrolls for each team, not that value of the franchise. 3. It wasnt “all of a sudden” that the As lost and they forgot about the 20 game winning streak. The streak happened during the regular season, the loss at the end was them losing in the playoffs and getting eliminated.

Mati D.

If you like this type of movie, watch Tetris, is amazing and based on a true story.

dave

Regarding Billy Beane's salary with the Oakland A's: during the timeframe of the movie, he was making $1 million per season and is currently making $3 million per season. So yeah, turning down $12.5 million was a pretty big deal.

David Martin

Aaron Sorkin co-wrote the script, and any time you see his name it's going to be good. A look at his filmography will give you a good idea of his talent.

Jiawei

George, your comment that "if it was a movie from one of the older guys' point of view, Jonah Hill would be the bad guy" almost perfectly matched the plot of another baseball movie released around the same time - "Trouble with the Curve" starring Clint Eastwood. Btw, that was a terrible movie.

Logan Kerlee
>>119800918

Holy shit, I'm seriously grateful that you posted about that movie! I've never watched it before and it just finished playing less than five minutes ago. It's SUCH A GREAT WATCH! Yeah, it's violent and a bit unrealistic but whatever, the story is solid, the writing is strong and the characters are moving. I'm right there with you in requesting that they watch The Accountant! Fuck, amazing movie.

akaTheBARON

🖤Per Google regarding what degree players have a say on being traded to another team: According to MLB, players can refuse a trade if they have "accrued 10 years of Major League service time and spent the past five consecutive years with the same team". I imagine there are a few more factors that may come into play but it seems that if you have enough seniority on a team and within the league you definitely have a say. I'm not a big sports guy so I always assumed it was a no negotiation thing for all players.

Martin Nicholls

My favourite Philip Seymour Hoffman role is actually also another biopic written by Sorkin where he is not a bad guy, starring Tom Hanks - Charlie Wilson's War - he's really great in that. I think him and Sorkin were really good friends, they had similar problems with drug addiction and whatnot, Sorkin has talked about it a few times. The problem with the strategy is twofold, one of them is explored here which you need coaching and player buy-in to the strategy otherwise it fails - but the other problem with it is you can get in early and do well but per the ending other big sports can do the same thing with more money and you end up at square one where you're in the same boat you started in: all that has happened is a top to bottom player revaluation and coaches/scouts etc more the same. Also I don't get the whole argument about statistics at all - I don't like baseball, but one thing I know about baseball and fans of baseball is they're *obsessed* with statistics and numbers, always have been, to an extent the sport is engineered in a way that makes that a thing; the question is how you evaluate the data. Like I said in the poll it's a movie that works on a lot of levels and you can take away what you want from the movie and still enjoy it, you don't need to like or understand baseball to do that at all, and that is why it is a great sports movie.

Khalayx

I got 25% of the way through the Youtube version and had to switch to the Patreon for this one, glad I did. I always really enjoy this movie although I can't always put my finger on why.

ChickensAreRacist

I’m getting the feeling you two and your dynamic are pretty good at this reacting thing. Even without knowing much about baseball and how trades/deadlines work, it was a great reaction. Nicely done.

Jesse Coombs

Even though he's only a side-character, Phillip Seymour Hoffman steals the show in "The Talented Mr. Ripley", which is a wonderful film also starring Matt Damon, Jude Law, and Cate Blanchett.

John

Thanks as always for the great context. If you want to know about trades and player rights look up Curt Flood, he is an important and underrated figure in baseball. It's too long for a reaction but the definitive baseball series is Ken Burn's Baseball. It's hard to watch that and not find something to love about the game.

REDR58
>>119793810

These days they seem to spit sunflower seed shells more than anything else.

Jenargo

When players first enter the league they are under the control (contract) of the team that drafted them for 6 years. They can be traded to any other team in the league or contract sold outright and have no say in the matter. After that they become free agents and can choose whatever team and usually comes down to who pays them the most and these later contracts can give the player more control over being traded etc.

hurryupmode

"The Mighty Rio Grande" by This Will Destroy You. That's the name of the music that plays during that scene with the empty stadium. And also the trailer

FranciscoGios

As both fan of MLB & NFL this movie was excellent even though I knew this movie existed I wanna say thanks for the Patreons who voted for this movie, good shit guys 👍. For Simone & George I can imagine Billy Beane’s wage can be half of the Boston offer which was probably between 5 to 7 Million Dollars, I might be wrong because I suck at math.

Lyle Morgan

This is a very good movie but you'd enjoy Field of Dreams much more, because it's really about relationships more than it's about baseball. I've seen enough of George and his dad to know it will grab him.

Bill Campbell

Baseball season starts the beginning of April and the regular season ends at the end of September. It is 162 games in about 180 days. A baseball player does not get 2 contiguous days off for 6 months, except the All-Star break, which is 3 or 4 days depending on your team schedule. It is a merciless grind that no other major sport can compare to, and if your team is good you get to play baseball in October as well. The trade deadline is end of July.

Travis

So, a lot to explain—in fact so much that writing it all would be a waste because it would never be fully read — what I will say is that the reason I have always thought this was a truly special sports movie is that it is able to tell a story about truly complicated insider sports related content yet make it understandable and relatable to everyone. A couple helpful baseball items. 1) Scott Hatteberg (Chris Pratts character) was a catcher (the player that receives the ball from the pitcher) prior to joining the A’s. That position requires you to have a strong arm because you have to try and throw out runners stealing second base. The reason he was able to (attempt to) play 1st base for the As is that that position requires minimal throwing. You only occasionally have to make throws from first to second for double plays (get out two runners) which is a short throw. On that same note he said he was afraid of having “the ball hit in his general direction” which meant only on defense because he had such little experience at first base. He was not afraid to hit as you seemed to perceive. 2) general transactional knowledge. Players are drafted or signed anywhere from 18-24 years old. Each time has roughly 4 minor league teams assigned to them that these players play for until they are called up to the major league. Once they are called up the clock on their service time starts. This means that the team that drafted them owns their rights for 6 seasons. The team can trade them, send them up and down the minors during that time, but aside from throwing a fit and saying they don’t want to play baseball at all—the player has no power over where they play (unless their team cuts them). After those 6 seasons the player becomes a free agent (usually around 28-30 yrs old) where they can choose which team they want to play for amongst the teams that offer them deals. 3) trade deadline: To prevent scenarios where the good teams unfairly stock up on bad teams players right before the playoffs there is a trade deadline with about two months of the season left (end of July/early aug). Teams have to make all trades with one another before that date. 4) all the in game footage in this movie was real (aside from the obvious stuff with the black background).

Travis

Also, Billy Beane’s salary in 2002 was 1 mill. That’s a lot of soda money.

Crunkljack

I cry every time I hear her sing that song. Honestly, no one else I'd rather cry along with while a movie. Thanks a bunch guys.

Jacob King

My favourite Philip Seymour Hoffman movies are, Almost Famous, Talented Mr Ripley and Punch Drunk Love. I enjoy Moneyball but it’s very much a movie of it’s time. The competence porn and Sorkin dialogue kind of distract from the feeling that maybe it’s a bad thing that sport can be reduced to math. The best bit is when they offer Chris Pratt a job.

Dr Ozzy

George… your hatred of Bobby Kotick in this video worked. He just announced he is resigning at the end of the year. Way to go man haha.

Patrick

It's amazing how many fantastic sports movies there are considering not everyone is into sports, but can still enjoy the movie.

Patrick
>>119788084

But it wasn't even Billy's ideas, it was Jonah Hill's character.

geoffeep
>>119854542

Ok now we need George to drop comments about the Unity board of directors for a year or so. Let's get this done!!! ;)

Brad Lowry

Yes! Capote! he Won the Oscar for that in the titular role. Another that you guys in particular might be interested in watching is "Owing Mahowny" based on a True Story where Philip Seymour Hoffman is the lead playing a man, Dan Mahowny, from Toronto. Very juicy PSH role... suffice to say, "Hilarity does NOT ensue!"

Brad Lowry

Love you guys! So many fun things in your discussion. I am heartened by how little you knew about baseball, but really, truly got the essence! A few things: 1. All the spitting, well, um, that is because Chewing Tobacco is a big part of Baseball Culture and you can assume that all the spitting was depicting a person in the middle of enjoying a big wad of Chewing Tobacco in his mouth 2. I've seen this movie maybe 5 times and I finally got something that bothered me and bothered you guys too. Like you I love PSH, and I didn't even recognize him being all macho and salty, but he's that good of an actor... But the redeeming moment for Art Howe's character is that in the 20th game where they blew the lead and seemingly the streak, where realist pragmatist Billy Beane thought that he jinxed the streak by turning around to see the game... that it was Art Howe in the Bottom of the 9th that had good old Mark Hatteberg go to the plate for the final chance to win, where he hit the winning Home Run that extended the streak to 20 wins! And the conversations you were having with compassion for that character (IMHO) was validated and resolved by him believing in jittery Mark Hatteberg to win the game for the A's on a "non analitical" hunch.

David Gallegos

Michael Lewis needs to write a sequel to Moneyball about the death of the Oakland A’s. Granted, that would kill any notion of romanticism in baseball. I will miss sneaking beers into “Baseball’s Last Great Dive Bar.”

8bitAndy

You're a good egg George. You're a good egg Simone. ;-) I did not think this movie would land with you two, tbh. It's pretty dense with baseball lingo after all. I'm glad you seemed to enjoy it though. I hope we get more baseball movies on the channel down the line.

Grandalf

God Damn, I love this movie! George, you're so right, this isn't a baseball movie, it's a movie about thinking outside the box and what it takes to break the status quo. Bennett Miller is a great director, his other two films are Foxcatcher, another true-life sports movie starring Steve Carrell, Channing Tatum, and Mark Ruffalo. Also, George mentioned the movie Capote and it was also directed by Bennett Miller. Whether you follow baseball or not, it's very hard to find a bad baseball movie. My first recommendation has to be Field of Dreams, starring Kevin Costner, James Earle Jones and Ray Liotta. You guys will absolutely love it, just have a box of tissues ready.

Noe Ramirez

This movie is great! My cousin is a really big fan of baseball and it a cool movie between us because he gave so much context when me and him were watching the movie for the first time.

Poddington

George "I appreciate the math". Simone "He stackeh the paper :D" this made me laugh out loud. Don't change! I thought I had seen this film, but I realised I knew the poster from a quiz and hadn't actually seen it. What an amazing film. I'm really happy that this was chosen or I'd never have seen it.

Gary Fixler
>>119803664

I loved that show, but I remember by the 3rd(?) episode where they ended up in a hockey rink, I thought "What the heck is with all the hockey rinks?" and then one of them said something like "PRŌ-cess," and I said "Wait a minute... is this in Canada?" :-D Also, pink Power Ranger! <3

Gabriel Garza

Have you all reacted to Draft Day? If not, i would highly recommend that movie. Same kind of feel to it, a movie about sports that’s not about sports.

Harry Fieldson

The way it tends to work is the general managers talk to one another in transfer seasons and discuss selling and swapping players as commodities ("I'll give you 6 million for this guy and then you give me 4 million for this other guy"). Then if they shake hands the player and their agent has a meeting with their potential new owner to work out a wage and contract length, along with any extra clauses and details. If they agree too then the player moves - often within days of the agreement. It's actually so interesting and strategic sometimes that plenty of sports have management games alongside the actual simulation ones. I spent more time in Fifa career mode trading players as a manager than I did actually playing matches. The last day of the transfer window is legitimately chaos.

p0sthum4n
>>135289184

This comment is mostly inaccurate. MLB teams do not usually trade players for cash, though it does happen. Most often, they trade players for other players. Also, generally, MLB players have no say in when or if they're traded. If the team trades a player who is under contract, their contract generally transfers to the new team without renegotiation. MLB players have almost no control over their careers for the first 6 full years of MLB service they play (which can be longer than 6 actual years, as time spent in the minors doesn't count). Trades do not require player consent unless they have a specific contractual right.

p0sthum4n

The first six years of an MLB players career, they have pretty much no say in whether or not they're traded. Once they've got 6 full years of major league service (which may take longer than 6 actual years, since time in the minor leagues doesn't count and players can be sent up and down during the season) then they enter free agency which is when they can demand contracts for big bucks if their talent permits it.