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Ted Lasso: Season 3 - Episode 3 - 4 - Patreon Version

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Joshua Couch

If you think Zava is ridiculous, wait til you hear about the person the character is based on, Zlatan Ibrahimović. For example, when he joined LA Galaxy, he put a full-page ad in the LA Times just saying, “Dear Los Angeles, You’re welcome.”

Tim T—

"Simone wearing a beanie" count: +1 It seems cold in Canada.

Jessi

Next set should have my favorite episode of the series! (Won't say which one!) Very excited to get there!

Chints' Miniature Mistakes

Oh dang, y'all just got into it on this one haha. I was getting ready to get a drink during the intro and had to rush back haha

Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary

Relationships are a two-way street. As crappy as the marriage counselor seems to be, Ted's ex-wife had to say yes to dating him, living with him, etc. They're both crappy people and I think it's showcasing the fact that good people fall in love with horrible people all the time and as much as it hurts, they're both better off splitting up and going their separate ways. The real victim is Ted's son who has to grow and learn from this new father figure. But yeah, looking forward to seeing where this goes.

Pam Nail

- In no way is Princess Diaries a deep cut Julie Andrews role. Probably the movie she's best known for nowadays. At least for younger folks. - With regard to the psychic, I very much think that - regardless of whether her predictions are correct, they only have as much meaning as Rebecca gives them. - Showing the team the video of Nate was such a spectacularly bad idea. All it does is make AFC take their anger out on the West Ham players -- who have done nothing to them. And it does absolutely nothing to Nate. - Michelle gets a lot of hate, but I kind of love that conversation she has with Ted. There's no way Ted would bring up the ethical thing with her, because she is not the one in the wrong there. But that smile at the end makes me think she's actually pleased that he's expressing something real to her instead of covering like he always does and acting like there's nothing wrong.

Elder Lyons

i dunno. i agree its a 2 way street and Michelle had to consent to the relationship to so to some degree shes at fault, but like George says the therapist is a professional. he literally had to have training in ethics and what is acceptable in the profession of literally knowing another persons deepest secrets and emotions. where as Teds ex is just a regular person, who may to some degree understand by isnt obligated to hold those ethics like a therapist is. hes def waaay more to blame than she is. but shes not guilt free.

Brad Lowry

I think, George, that the careful writers' room thought this Psychic thing through so as not to poo-poo either side of the issue. But mostly, it is a literary construct to help us follow a story and for them to get through finishing the show in a proscribed amount of time. Indeed, I think the key scene was where Rebecca searched through her drawer of matchbooks looking for a green one. That is how Psychics work, by helping us to focus on things in our lives that we might otherwise overlook... or conversely, that is how Psychics ply their hoax, by getting us to focus on things in our lives that might likely happen to all of us and get us to embue these things that we might otherwise overlook with a special self-fulfilling meaning. Thus, I think that the show is actually being coyly neutral on the issue. Like the show overall: It's just a comedy TV Show... and it is so much more...

Jeff K

Yeah, the green matchbook thing feels kind of (but obviously not exactly) like an example of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. If something gets in your head, you're going to subconsciously start looking for it, and then seeing it, everywhere, etc.

Bryce Lamkin

I recommend Son's of Anarchy as a show to watch please, it has 7 seasons

Dr Ozzy

The choice of Michelle dating the therapist is a furthering of the storyline from S2. Ted's skepticism to allow Dr Sharon to help him was partially drawn from his prior experiences with the marriage counselor that he felt was working against him. Having that therapist then end up having feelings for Michelle shows that Ted was actually feeling things correctly rather than the fact that therapy was not a good choice. Also it feels totally likely that there would be a person in place who does the actual meeting for different companies. Barbara, for example, would be someone I would envision actually going to meet with potential investments.

Terry Yelmene

Ep. 3 - Zava-WTF? It was GREEN! Oh ya, and Dr Jake is SCUM - GREEN POND SCUM! Ep. 4 - Fear not G & S... Ted... doesn't leave 'anything' just there - not, Dr. Jake... and not Shandy, not Jack, not Rupert, and definitely not Nate. George / Simone please know that the NEXT TWO EPISODES are... well Season 3 literately hinges on them! Everyone agrees, Ep. 6 is the GREATEST EVER, but Ep. 5 is the set up for everything that follows. Welcome to the absolute low point for AFC Richmond, yet somehow the very top of this magnificent series.

Alex Ch

There's a plan in the Baltimore newspapers today to dredge a deeper channel so larger cargo ships can dock at the Port of Baltimore, which would create more union jobs. Frank Sobotka would be so proud. https://t.co/CYLG0Ufjld

Max Krause

Haven't watched further yet but so far the green matchbook can be explained: 1. We know the "psychic" knows about Sam and Rebecca from Rebecca's mother. 2. Sam is very public about opening his restaurant. 3. Matchbooks are a common promotional giveaway. 4. Green is Nigeria's colour. My theory is that Rebecca's mother wants her to be with Sam and she has planned this with the "psychic". They either guessed about the green matchbooks or maybe even made them for Sam. Or they go full on supernatural. I guess we'll have to wait for the "shite in nining armour" to clear that up.

Guy-on-Couch

Ted's wife makes me sick...he was her therapist first before the counseling and they both teamed up on Ted with every session...Their feelings developed prior to them separating and she doesn't even have the balls to be honest with Ted and was hiding it from him...both of them are garbage

Zinphad

The relationship with the old marriage counselor may have been a way for the writers to give Ted a legitimate reason to be upset with his ex's new relationship, without putting the onus on her.

Terry Yelmene

Wow... Are we sure Couch Guy is just reacting to the show... or is there more to his rant?

JoeE

Was always a big James Randi fan

Chase Lonnergan

Finally! Next week I get to see the episode I have been waiting to get Simone's reaction to since they started the series: The whole Higgins subplot of Episode 6! Don't forget that before he was their marriage therapist, he was Ted's wife's therapist. So,,, Yeah. He 100% manipulated her into the divorce and the relationship.

Travis H

Doing a storyline where Michelle begins dating and Ted needing to deal with that is really interesting. But making it her personal therapist turned couples therapist and the way the show handles it from EVERY angle is awful! One of my favorite things about this show is that it didn’t make Michelle the villain, in my eyes this vilifies her. Obviously Dr.Jacobs is the true villain in this situation, but Michelle agreed to date her therapist and even worse she kept it from Ted. She is allowed her privacy but once she introduces him to Henry, Ted needs to know, but she actively kept it a secret for weeks (maybe months?). And then the show almost treats it like Ted is overreacting (with the exception of Sassy briefly). I completely agree with George’s “Is that it” at the end of episode 4. If they just made it Michelle is dating some random guy (or even a friend of Ted’s) and Ted has to deal that could be great. But the way they deal with this still makes me angry and is a permanent black spot on the series that I love for the most part! For some positivity I love everything that they do with Jamie and Colin these episodes. I also love Zavas speech about passion only to end it with “and sometimes it’s a fruit”.

Logan Kerlee

Zava is fantastic! xD I love him. hahahaha, George put it right - he's over the top, for sure! His ego is unmatched but as long as his play supports it, oh well. Zava's ego is crazy but his recognition for the lowest man on the totem pole is super kind. lol, I love Simone's optmism! That meal that George described sounded yummy. I'm looking forward to George's take on his creation. I love how Jaimy answered his door without any pants or undies on. lol, the confidence that man has is unreal. George NEVER make that sound again, please! xD lol, it drives me crazy. DAMN GEORGE!! Wishing that he'd get "American History Xed or something" is pretty fucked up. lol, wow! Hope that George enjoys his new foods! I'm really looking forward to hearing about how it was. :)

REDR58

The thing Ted said to Trent about “a young Robert Redford” portraying him someday and Trent saying “Dustin Hoffman” instead is a reference to the 1976 movie “All the President's Men” starring Redford and Hoffman about the journalists Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein who wrote a book of the same name that the movie is based on, about the Watergate scandal concerning former US president Nixon. It’s a great movie btw. Check it out sometime.

Jeff K

Your comment on George's cooking made me realize: I would not be opposed to a George cooking segment once in awhile, knowing his background in the culinary world. I'd totally be down to watch a video of him throwing together moi moi, for example.

Jeff K

It is positively WILD how similar the actor who plays Zava looks to the actual Zlatan. I know some of that was the hair/makeup department, but holy shit, they couldn't have found a better Zlatan actor in a million years.

The scent of film and TV is all over this RUM. Smells like freaking tee ah WANNA

🖤Before this episode I've been saying the phrase "pre Madonna" and really thought it implied the person was so full of themselves that if they keep it up they would become a Madonna level diva or something to that effect. Here's another embarrassing one. Up until about a few years ago, I thought when people said "struggling to make ends meet" I thought it was "meat" and figured it was an expression implying money was tight so they had to get the end cuts of meat and figured it was maybe cheap scrap meat or something. But yeah. It's "ends meet" referring to money in/money out, having trouble paying bills, budgeting, yada yada yada XD.

Alexander Brown

Don't second guess yourselves about being icked out by the therapist plotline, guys. As a counsellor, it really pissed me off, and reddit was full of us absolutely blasting the guy. It is 100% unethical, and depending on country, state etc., would still absolutely be cause for an ethics review even if the relationship started 1.5 years later. Here in Australia it's specifically prohibited by the ACA for a minimum of 2 years, and as far as I'm concerned it should be forever.

Patrick

Thinking that Ted's wife shouldn't have any accountability for the fact that she decided to date their marriage counselor is wild. Obviously most of the onus is on the Dr., and there are a bunch of other behind the scenes things that will probably never be explained...but there's no reason for them to ever remain in contact. Lets also keep in mind, Ted was always against therapy so you can bet your ass that deciding to go to marriage counseling was his wife's idea and probably took some convincing. To then go off and start dating the Dr. afterwards is a huge betrayal IMO. I don't think most people would be as calm and understanding. (and rightfully so) I'd really be interested to know who pursued who.

Alexander Brown

If the psychic thing is a coincidence, it's in no way a crazy one. People always say that about coincidences, really they're just things that occur at the same time, like things often do, that happen to stand out because of other things that happened. Did you see how many match books she had? Eventually one was going to be green. It's wild that it ended up being the one Sam gave her, but that's what coincidences are; weird things that stand out, but ultimately that happen all the time. The world is full of a seemingly infinite number of combinations of things that are happening all at the same time at any given moment; a very large number of those things are going to be weird.

Patrick

That's a hell of a reach IMO. The soft opening was a complete surprise. Rebecca's mom would also be smart enough to know that Rebecca is too old to have children, so for the psychic to say she's going to be a mom is just straight up cruel. It's gotta be some weird side plot that is psychic.

Patrick

Ah yes, because she doesn't have a brain and can't make decisions for herself. She's just a poor little girl who doesn't need to take responsibility for the fact that she agreed to date her therapist. How do we even know who initiated the relationship?

Patrick

Yeah, the ending annoyed me. She just sat there in silence, no apology, nothing. Then she smiled at the end when she saw that Ted was showing emotion.

Opti_Frog

I don't know much about international soccer, but as a Swede i of course know about Zlatan Ibrahimović. This makes Zava one of the funniest characters in the show for me. One of those assholes who says inane stuff every time they open their mouth, but think they are so profound. 😄

Villa Lobos

As a frequent rewatched of this series. I think George is wrong about the show introducing a psychic and her predictions as breaking the rules established by the show. From the very first episode it all about what you believe. Which is also why the sign means so much. During the tour in the first episode, Rebecca talked about ghosts and if he believes in them. They whole team believed that the training room was cursed and wouldn’t go in it. That was until they performed a ritual to cleanse it. After that it showed Roy getting treated in there. Even Higgin’s son, at the beginning of the episode he told Sam he know there was no Santa but after talking with Sam and having a amazing Christmas surrounded by pro footballers, a wish come true for any English kid, and Rebecca and Ted making kids believe Santa didn’t forget them. Believing in something is the center them of the show. It has power, read the Dresden Files for more stuff like this.

Elder Lyons

eeeh.. up to this episode, id say youre right. but do you recall what happens in the next one? where an encounter occurs at a coffee shop? thats a lot less "circumstantial and coincidence" or "believe" thats pretty much just straight up magical prediction...

Elder Lyons

eeeh.. up to this episode, id say youre right. but do you recall what happens in the next one? where an encounter occurs at a coffee shop? thats a lot less "circumstantial and coincidence" or "believe" thats pretty much just straight up magical prediction...

HeyHeyJK

George, just know - as comments have already alluded to, I'm guessing - that the psychic plot will have payoffs through multiple episodes, so make peace with that how you can. I fully believe that the clichéd 99.9% of people claiming to be psychics are frauds, and I'm a big believer in science, but I also know that science isn't infallible and that we just don't know everything, and that especially applies to most "supernatural" areas. But, I had one experience with a medium years ago that defied all logic and educated analysis, and there have been a few other moments that have added to my personal belief that led me to believe strongly in multiverse/many worlds theories, and that all those dimensions are all taking place simultaneously across all time and space. With that in mind, it doesn't seem out of the question that there are people who have access to that on some level. But, that's just me. Hopefully the through-line that continues on the psychic's predictions won't sour your experience with how they play out in the show.

Cubonemaker

George, I think you may need to loosen up a bit before watching Ted Lasso. I keep getting the feeling that you expect things to happen like they do in other shows. Just enjoy the ride, chill out, and BELIEVE.

Andi Herr

Rewatching this last episode with the knowledge of what we learn about Ted later, it shines a whole different light on that phone conversation at the end and what a huge deal it is for Ted's character development.

Michael Green

As a sci fi/fantasy fan I've heard versions of that "rules of the universe" idea a lot, and while I think it can be a decent rule of thumb for creating certain kinds of fiction, I think there's a tendency to overapply the idea in critique. It's the same problem as "show don't tell" or any of the dozens of basic writing advice percolating throughout the internet; the actual truth as far as I'm concerned is that you can literally do anything as long as it's interesting. Of course everyone can (and should) vary in their opinion of whether any particular element of a story works, but I worry that the network of rules we build up in our heads can interfere with full engagement. My own opinion of Ted Lasso is that it has far more in common with what we often term "magical realism" (an often misused/abused label freighted with decades of critical argument). Sorry for the mini-essay, love the reactions and how thoughtful you both are!

JBK405

I've never been a dedicated follower of the Premier League, but I was a fan of West Ham, and Rupert is SO skeezy that he poisoned my affections in the real world. He's like toxic sludge in human form. I like to think that when Rebecca saw Rupert with his assistant is the moment when she REALLY got over him. Because she'd already had the big public divorce and football rivalry, and we've seen her manifest her anger in different ways, but then it's such a small moment and she just tells him to stop fucking around. Combined with Ted pointing out that she already won by getting him out of her life, I think that is the comprehensive moment where the last string snapped. That doesn't mean all her anger and resentment goes away instantly, but it changes the form. For Keeley never meeting Jack before, it's definitely improbable, but not impossible. They described it as Jack heading a firm that represents a bunch of venture capitalists, so there was likely a bunch of mid-level managers and lawyers who personally met with Keeley for the document signings and such. I do think it's unlikely that Keeley never would have once googled Jack's name or looked at a picture (Keeley, as the show has demonstrated repeatedly, is quite clever despite her party girl image), but I'll accept that as a TV conceit. One bit of behind-the-scenes info (Not a spoiler, it was publicly revealed at the time of this airing), but the writers had actually gotten the legal restrictions on dating a former patient wrong. They researched it, found the timeline for when it's not a violation of ethics, and misunderstood it. The required gap is LONGER than a year-and-a-half, and there are other steps involved. So as presented here it's not just icky, it actually is a direct violation of Real World medical ethics.

Joe D. MacGuffinstuff

The soundtrack to this show is so awesome, I especially love that Kinks song, Wes Anderson movies made me a huge Kinks fan, beforehand I just knew of their earlier stuff, but their later, more acoustic stuff is so great.

VariantsWatchMovies

Another recommendation for a quirky fun show is Pushing Daisies. I loved Chi McBride’s role.

Jeff K

That, and Wonderfalls. Both featuring Lee Pace, created by Bryan Fuller, and were sadly killed off before their time because they were a little too quirky for the time.

MPH

Good show. Great band. Hate Wes Anderson movies, but to each his own.

Efrain Zavala

Could you all do "The Good Place" at some point? Thanks

Renee MeowMeow Beans

Another fun tv series is Only Murders in the Building - so fun and heartfelt!

Angela D. Mitchell

I hate the "wife dates their therapist" thing so much. Especially given Ted's own perception that he was being discounted and teamed up against in therapy -- which now appears accurate. And to make it even creepier, this guy was HER therapist before he was their couples therapist. The show is asking us to accept two pretty unethical things here and it's just shrugging them off. The wan Ted scene at the end is such a disappointment. First off, there is a reason personal therapists do not counsel the couple -- if the person they counsel needs couples therapy, there needs to be distance there and an impartial therapist for that. And secondly, and most importantly, this therapist dating the woman he counseled individually -- and THEN counseled to LEAVE HER HUSBAND -- has no business dating her within a century of that time period! Season 1 tells us that her therapist encouraged her to start the separation and end the marriage. Ugh. There is no aspect of this that is ethical and it's so gross that it is a major element of ruining the season for me (well, a major element of many).

Amelie W

There used to be a rule in the US that therapists can't date their clients for five years after they're cured, but just while the show was in production they changed that to lifetime. Doc Jacob is losing his medical license to be with Michelle, which I don't think is as romantic as the writers think.

Amelie W

So the psychic is pretty funny. She has apparently read the script - she knows everything that's going to happen to Rebecca in the season, including meeting the guy with a young child, which will presumably allow her to "become a mother" in season 4. (Did you know they're apparently trying to make a season 4?) But the entire focus of her predictions is the green matchbook, and it's a big nothing that only almost becomes anything because Rebecca obsesses about it to the point where she attaches magical significance to the green matchbooks she finds, in the fine tradition of the marks of real world psychics everywhere. I'm 92% sure Bill Lawrence is the kind of guy who would give money to a psychic on a regular basis and if people found out he'd explain it doesn't hurt just in case.