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Near final version of next video (Patreon)

Published:
2024-11-01 20:26:38
Imported:
2026-06

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Thanks for the support guys, this won't even hit nebula for a week or so

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Final Draft Edgelords 2

Comments

Iris Monroe

Benefit of having Nebula and supporting here. *nudge*

Casual Fox

Thank you for your kindness. Much appreciated a week before the election.

Tracee Ford

"Eat a dick. Like, share and subscribe." Wrong! Hilarious. But WRONG! ...LOL

Kristina

Thank yoooooouuuu!

Philip Coulam-Jones

Interesting video, looking forward to the final version! I think the best reflection on this topic from a director comes from Scorsese himself. Killers of the Flower Moon is, like most of his films, about a guy/group of guys who suck, but lacks any of the glitz of Wolf of Wall Street, the pseudo-righteous violence of Taxi Driver or the cool of Goodfellas. The white men in the movie are rich and exploit women, but the film never makes it out to be cool, only ever destructive and ruinous to the lives of the Osage that they're destroying for their own personal gain, particularly their own wives and children. And their scheme isn't even particularly hard to foil- the FBI take them down by doing the absolute bare minimum (and don't look cool themselves doing it), it's just that nobody cared enough to try. The film even ends with Scorsese himself monologuing to camera to tell you the unfortunate, undignified end the victims came to in real life, as if imploring you to remember them instead of Deniro or DiCaprio's characters. The film feels like Martin reflecting on the fact that he made these terrible men look too cool in his earlier movies and trying his best to show what it looks like when they have an impact on the real world. Unfortunately, it's a three hour historical epic that was distributed by Apple, which probably limits its reach but (to answer your point at the end) it is a fantastic movie

TontoCorazon

Thank you FD, appreciate the work you do

Oh

I think that something that is missing from the analyses of Joker 2 and AoT is the complex effects of the kind of trauma both protagonists experienced. If these two characters are to be reflections of growing up within severely traumatic environments, and if they operate within some bounds of what we know that kind of trauma can do to someone, then it makes sense that it creates someone that wants others to feel it like they feel it. They have a righteous sense of what "justice" looks like, and it's retributive. I think that both pieces of media show two possible outcomes of taking retribution too far. But like you said, showing that reality is usually just a bummer to watch and can at times elicit a feeling of defensiveness because a) some (rightfully or not) feel like they've been done wrong and b) retributive justice is what a lot of people uncritically accept as "right." I think regarding the singing. Why wouldn't two comically absurd depictions of mental illness sing everywhere they went. It's funny and absurd. I think the appropriate reaction is to laugh for sure lol

Tracee Ford

I thought that you were going to talk about Billy Butcher as an example of the sigma imagery

Jacqui

Killers of the Flower Moon also makes Mollie Kyle (played by Lily Gladstone) an easy person to root for. Edgelord Cinema usually lacks a character like Mollie, a moral character to sympathize with who is at least as complex and interesting as the edgelord protagonist.

Riven

Damn, that makes me sad I stopped being in highschools to do security work. I agree it's easier and probably the most effective to catch it then or at the middle school level because that's where they see this Andrew Tate BS.

Quentin Walker

Hmm now I’m wondering. Is Scorpion an edgelord? I mean Mr. Hell Spectre would probably fit the mold, and I’m sure I’m not the only that noticed the backlash now that he’s human with actual emotions

Mobius Scarf

Excellent video! I'm glad it ended up being more than just a victory lap video about having good, politically-correct media literacy and more about how self-defeating a lot of this dialogue, both textually and critically, has ended up being, and more to the point, that it doesn't really make for good art. I did want to point out that you said Heath Ledger won a "Grammy" not an Oscar, so you might want to fix/annotate that in the final cut (assuming you hadn't already caught that one).

Mikhail Chin

This begs the question: does the left have any good myths to pull from to create great art? A different but similar spirited question: has the left started to take itself too seriously at the cost of being open to new members and imperfect ideologies? Watching this after Jawn Louis's recent video on the rigidity of leftist communities.

Rblast

Being right doesn’t always mean you’re correct

Luke Shannon

Great video with amazing perspectives. Thank you. When I saw Nightcrawler, I thought that character was the personification of the 24 hour news business model. I need to rewatch it after seeing this

TroyAllen

Oh god. The children of woodstock 99. I'm saving this for tomorrow after a few tokes

Emma

Hi F.D., I just wanted to say thank you for this video! As a newly 18-year-old, I’ve already seen a few friends of mine get caught up in incel ideologies, and your breakdown is really interesting. It’s wild to see how these ideas evolve, and your perspective on edgelord media is super helpful as I try to navigate it all. Dearest greetings from Germany :D!

Anton Mueller

You should end every video with, "Eat a dick. Like, share, and subscribe!" Top notch catchphrase.

Anton Mueller

My actually supportive comment: your videos have given me improved strategies and language to better communicate with my own teenage stepson with edgelord tendencies. It has been wildly successful, in my opinion. I really appreciate you and the resources you provide on this subject.

Lucas Ochs

Great vid! Love the analysis that being right isn't nearly enough most of the time. Hopefully this sentiment catches the right people and it takes root.

Esiban

Good vid. I hope aspiring writers will hear what you have to say. A small request: please consider taking the phrase "spirit animal" out of your vocabulary. Said with love from an Ojibwe person - someone with an actual totem animal, or more accurately - waawaaskeshi nindoodem. My clan is deer, and I didn't choose it. My membership in a clan is a responsibility and a form of kinship with other deer clan people. Clans are part of our traditional governance system and they help(ed) us take holistic care of our society. Many of us were also robbed of our clans by colonization. I didn't know my clan until my 30s. So it's a bit of a soft spot, ya know? When non-Indigenous folks talk about "spirit animals" like they're a thing you get from a buzzfeed quiz, it stings. Thanks for your consideration, Fiq. And thanks for what you do with your channel.

Esiban

Oh! And thank you for the encouragement to write like, positive futurism stuff. I'm working on something like that for my community and after the election I wondered... is this complete horseshit? Imagining a future where we have our sovereignty back and the land is healing... what purpose could such a narrative serve today? But what you said reminded me: I need things like Star Trek to keep going. I need to dream of better times. So do others. I'm gonna keep working on the futurism thing. Miigwech.

XoDandy

Fantastic video as always. Just need you to point your analytical mind towards the epidemic of young men deciding to take the red pill and be Jin mains in T8 But real talk these videos addressing masculinity and edgelord politics have been a wonderful supplement to bell hooks the will to change ❤️

Daniel Drexler

Really great video - I've been cooking on a couple of truths that I think are under-considered and this video really gets at. The first is basically that...we should consider the limits of factual critique on views that were necessarily formed while ignoring facts. Like...if someone believes something that has no basis in reality, they formed that belief while it wasn't true, so pointing out the false foundations of it probably are not going to be the most important part of getting them "out" of it because they weren't important to get them into it. We still need to talk to each other about what is and isn't true and, ofc, we should not pretend lies are true - but we should understand that emphasizing that aspect isn't a good persuasive technique. The other side of this is a Sartre quote I think of often (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity) where he points out that the most...intentional and malicious right wing'ers basically don't believe in objective reality. They have decided in a very intentional way that objective reality doesn't have to matter - that they can construct a world using rhetoric and lies and half truths that supports their world view. And that world will be "real enough" for their goals and also be contradictory enough that actually trying to engage it with facts will be rhetorically harmful. It will make the person bringing up facts look dumb or like they aren't with it. I think this video's conclusion really goes towards that kind of area - where media that always actually disagreed with its right wing fans, but they couldn't see it, is probably never going to be able to "reach" them in the way one would hope. Their blindness to the position of the media isn't an act (for most of them) it's real - they just can't see it right now - and so when you take away the aesthetics they enjoyed they won't see the truth. They will just think the media is an incomprehensible mess that is "bad on purpose." It's satisfying on some level, but it's not....going to change any minds that you would want to change. It's smug media for people who "get it" - which has a place - but it's not a piece of persuasion.

Captain Chaos

Rorschach from Watchmen is a peak example of what media says and what media does. Alan Moore has stated repeatedly he saw a real world Batman as a kind of fascist with psychosexual hangups and that's what he set out to create with Rorschach but the lasting legacy of the character (until the HBO series which I thought dealt with the legacy of Rorschach really well) is a sigma hero.

Victor

Overall, excellent content. However, I did not see you make a distinction between antisocial behavior and autism. Without the distinction, your dialogue comes across as autistic people are "bad". I love your content, but I would advise against accidentally dehumanizing autistic people. I really appreciate you taking the time to make content like this. Respectfully, Victor.