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I feel like I said nothing because my jaw was on the floor!

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Dillon leeming

Oh shit, another all timer. I have a fan title for this episode and it's "Remember, these people are monsters ". Just the level of casual sadism, bjorn punched that old lady , not a shove a slap no a closed fist to head . I agree he probably did kill her with that. Anne's story is tragic obviously. She saw a ring she thought was pretty and now she's thinks it her fault her families gone. The talk at the table is interesting. I don't like pushing this guilt on to your children by threading them with hell. But I imagine that's just how it was back then.

Sebas Tian

Ah yes, one of my favorite episodes of all times

DrSophieDarlingReacts

Yeah - it was a way to make sure children behaved by making it understandable by offering a consequence if one does something bad and a reward if one does something good. It's like how most fairytales are children's stories designed to teach a moral lesson. Religion is similar in that it also offers that structure of morality. But we also see the moral dilemma and guilt that occurs as children grow and they begin to feel the weight of that fear of being damned and going to hell. The younger you are - the less you really would perceive your acts as wrong but that shifts with age which is why we see the contrast between Anne's fear of being separated from her family because she stole a ring, and the younger children seeing it as merely a story they find entertainment in. The moral weight hasn't hit them yet because they aren't old enough to comprehend it the way Anne does. But yet seeing someone commit a more atrocious sin than theft without fear of consequence lightens the burden she feels because her act is so small in comparison to be barely a sin. It offers some perspective that she would never have seen before. In her small village life theft would seem severe because she has never witnessed the brutality of the world. Seeing the Danes kill her people and her family offers a wider perspective that in the grand scheme, the theft of a single ring can never compare to the magnitude of killing an entire village, and she's elated that she can let go of that guilt she's been harbouring. Of course she will still wrestle with the fear that she damned her family but I think there is some understanding that not even God could protect them from the evil of humanity and in accepting that sometimes God himself is powerless she can find a way to push forward and forgive herself. ^ I'm gonna have to include this in my intro for Ep 15 haha!!

Mickael Landry

This episode stands out because it delivers a harsh reality check, reminding viewers that, despite their complex characters like Askeladd, the Vikings were truly brutal. It shocks us into remembering the cruelty and violence they inflicted, preventing us from romanticizing them. The show doesn’t shy away from depicting these harsh truths, which is part of what makes it so compelling. Interestingly, this episode seems designed to temper any burgeoning sympathy for Askeladd by highlighting his ruthless nature, despite his tragic backstory. It emphasizes that he’s not a hero or a good person, just a multifaceted, often heartless character. I really get the sense that this episode is deliberately placed where it is to serve as a reality check for anyone beginning to feel too much empathy for Askalad and his crew. Interestingly, this comes right after the episode titled "Child of a Hero," which adds an extra layer of irony. Makoto Yukimura is truly brilliant. 💯👏

Mickael Landry

💍👩🏽 Anne's feelings and response can be understood in several ways. One possibility is that she ultimately perceives herself as unworthy of heaven, which is why her family was taken to paradise while she remains behind left to endure a kind of hell on Earth. 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦👿🗡🩸 Alternatively, she might have come to recognize the true nature of evil and realizes how insignificant her own wrongdoing is in comparison, leading her to believe she still has a chance to reach heaven. It's also possible that she holds a bit of both perspectives. Regardless of her specific thoughts, it's clear that she is in shock, just as any normal person would be in such a situation. Side note: Vinland Saga came to an end last summer after more than 20 years of publication, so, I hope you enjoy each episode until the end. After this episode, the show keeps getting better and better.

Sam

Definitely one of my favorites. To have such a tight, tragic narrative arc within a single episode is just chef's kiss for me. I love how, just as Askeladd grows on us, and basically right after we learn a bit about his backstory and empathize with him, we are hit with this reminder that, as much as you might like Askeladd, he is a bad, awful person, along with his men, and even though we don't really see Thorfinn in this episode, I'd argue that includes him too given how many he has killed. I feel like vinland saga overall has themes of being a product of a bad environment and the struggle to escape that. Even though Askeladd is the descendant of such a noble ruler, and even though he likely would've been a decent person had he been raised by his mother in Wales, he wasn't, and he was instead influenced by horrible circumstances, leading him to be the morally compromised man he is now. With Anna feeling "elated", I think part of that has to do with the "oh, so that's what true evil is" effect. She worries so much over whether she'll go to heaven or not from just having stolen a ring, that after seeing something so horrible and evil, everything else seem minor in contrast.

Mickael Landry

Honestly, I wasn't fully engaged with Vinland Saga until I saw this episode. It struck me deeply the first time I viewed it; I couldn't help but shed tears. 😭

Mickael Landry

Do you consider Askeladd like an anti-hero figure or a villain? He is such a morally gray character, one of the most ambiguous I've seen in my anime journey.

icyfire

Yeah this episode shook me to my core. Theres no romanticising in the cruelty of the Vikings. Also I wasn’t quite sure how to interpret the girl feeling elated, but your analysis really helped!

DrSophieDarlingReacts

So far I lean towards not quite villain but not really an anti hero either. More a nihilistic figure. He's a complex character so pinning him down is not easy without further perspective 😊

Damian Angelo

This episode is so great at displaying some of the themes of the series and so self contained that I feel like it is the perfect episode to show to someone that is hesitating on starting vinland saga. When this show was recommended to me I hesitated for quite a bit, but if someone had showed me this episode I would've jumped into it right away.

tonkatsu

Askeladd never grew on me. I hated him since he had Thors killed. That made me see his “kindness” to Thorfinn as manipulative. I’m watching this anime for the first time with you, Sophie, so I could be wrong in the next episodes. XD Anyway, all my feelings about Askeladd just confirm he’s a well-written character for making me feel this way. Edit: I’m a Christian and just want to share my perspective on the love that the priest was looking for.. I was just reminded that Jesus’ command was “Love your enemies.” Not just strangers. Romans 5:6-11 talks about Christ dying for sinners/God’s enemies to reconcile them to God. It’s how strange and great the love the priest was looking for.

DrSophieDarlingReacts

The way I was phrasing it was more to relate it back to Thors who mentions that we have no enemies hence why I said strangers :) but I agree with you!

Adam

Their violence is blown out of proportion. The only writing we have discussing them is by the very christian monks they raided. Raiders which were a small part of the population. They had a very rich trading and adventuring culture, and are the sister roots of democracy in europe alongside the greeks.

Adam

There are fourtypes of love to Christian philosophy, each with a different greek word. Eros - romantic love. Philia - friendship. Storge - familial love. Agapé - unconditional love. I believe the priest is trying to explain unconditional love, a very Christian concept.

DrSophieDarlingReacts

I wouldn't say it was blown out of proportion but it also wasn't uncommon either for that time period. The Norse / Danes were not the only cultures involved in pillaging and raiding or brutal violence BUT they were the best at it. No one is condemning a population or ignoring the positive aspects. What the writer is emphasising is that raids and invasions were incredibly brutal and how it fuelled the ongoing slave trade. We can celebrate aspects of a culture whilst highlighting the negative side too. It would be blown out of proportion ONLY IF the writer was not showing the other sides of the culture. After all - Vikings were a profession. Not a race. It was a job title. The writers focus is on that profession and the brutality that comes with it. Which is historically realistic. Viking raiders committed atrocities across the UK. It's realistic to show that side because it is often ignored in the over-romanticisation of Norse / Danish culture. If anything I would be critiquing the show heavily if they did not highlight the violence faced by the Anglo-Saxons.

Username123

The manga actually just finished back in July after 20 years, as for why season 3 hasn’t been announced if I had to guess it would be because mappa has been busy with jjk s3 and the new chainsawman movie. And after reading the manga I really want to see season 3, hopefully some sort of announcement comes soon😭

Mark Romero

Without any spoilers, how many more seasons does it look like there'll be?

Erjon Sejdijaj

Two more seasons. Season three has the potential to go over 24 eps depending on how much anime only content they add, but it'll be two more seasons for sure.

Jobbe Smit

On the religion tangent, have you looked into gnosticism? It might really resonate with your ideas of humanity being punished for acquiring knowledge.

Jobbe Smit

Askeladd is a true bastard but also a mirror to Thorfinn. He met a villain as a child and swore vengeance for his parent. He's a figure so consumed by vengeance and hating the enemy he forgoes his humanity. He's what Thorfinn will find if he continues his path of hatred.

Jobbe Smit

Except their raiding is also mentioned by other sources and we have evidence of their raids along the Baltics. It's unlikely that the Danes were significantly nicer than the Swedes and the Christian texts just happen to line up for both of them. The vikings were absolutely brutal but so were most other warriors and vikings were not all Norse, most Norse never involved themselves with this. There is nuance to the culture but viking raids were bloody affairs with slavery and sexual violence.