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Vinland Saga 1 x 20 (Patreon)

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2025-12-03 21:29:12
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Leo Perez

after season one ended, attack on titan went on a 4 year hiatus from 2013 to 2017, it finally ended after 10 years, 7 months.

Username123

Vinland saga Season 1 came out in 2019 and season 2 came out 4 years later in 2023 so it’s been nearly 3 years with no announcement of a season 3, which sucks because jjk s2 came out in 2023 and s3 is already coming in jan 2026, not to hate on jjk but imo Vinland is way better, wish mappa would prioritize it.

Adam

Flashy superpower shonens for teens will always get the budget

Adam

you recognized ragnar’s brother by his head shape alone, made me laugh

ML Snow

That prejudice against shonen... well, it's not even related to the fact that Vinland Saga doesn't have a season 3 announced. They're different teams and producers.

Vivasvan Gautam

Well, the lead artist for vinland saga anime, Takahiko Abiru, has started to post Thorfinn arts on his instagram account lately. I don't know if he is conveying to fans that they've started to work on season 3. We can only speculate as there is no official announcement. I will only suggest you to check those out after you're done watching season 2. They look really amazing. He's a huge fan of Vinland Saga and is incredibly passionate about working on it as well. He regards working on Vinland Saga Season 2 as is his all-time favorite project. Same goes for director of Vinland Saga, Shuhei Yabuta. I think now Yabuta is a high ranking executive in Mappa, board of directors or something, so he may be able to convince others to work on Vinland Saga. Mappa has lots of projects lined up, jujutsu kaisen, chainsawman are two examples. These are extremely popular intellectual properties and also bring in lot of revenue. Vinland although is really well written, but is not as popular. Nonetheless, I do feel hopeful that we will hear announcement in 2026 and get to watch season 3 in 2027.

Mickael Landry

I am a believer, but I don't practice much. That said, to build on your thought, Sophie, I would like to add a clarification. 😀 The fruit eaten by Adam and Eve was not just a fruit of knowledge, but specifically the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil. ⚖️ According to theologians, God was not against humans gaining knowledge, but rather against this particular type of knowledge, which gives the ability to judge what is good or bad. The idea that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" illustrates how contemporary evils, such as climate change, pollution, and threats of war, often arise from a misguided desire to avoid evil. For example, policies aimed at economic growth may prioritize short-term gains over long-term environmental sustainability, leading to pollution and climate degradation. Similarly, efforts to promote peace may sometimes result in unintended escalations of conflict. Some Church Fathers believed that God would have shared this fruit with Adam and Eve when they were ready. Theologians argue that God intended to guide us in our role as moral agents on Earth, but sin obstructed this path, leading us to disobey. This highlights the significance of divine timing and understanding what is best for us. Like a parent who does not immediately reveal the dangers of the world to a young child, God knew that Adam and Eve needed time to learn how to live rightly. A lived and experiential understanding of what is right is crucial. Over time, they could have developed enough maturity to discern good from evil and make informed choices, understanding why those choices were good, rather than just obeying a "no." After all, every child often asks "why" when faced with a restriction. Punishment is often seen as a result of rejecting God or pride in the pursuit of knowledge. The pursuit of knowledge becomes problematic when it opposes divine will, as seen in the case of the Tower of Babel. True wisdom, according to religious thought, is connected to a respectful fear of God, which involves honoring His authority and commandments, rather than an independent quest for knowledge.

Mickael Landry

The idea isn't that God intended for us to be unaware of the distinction between good and evil; rather, He wished for us to understand it without having to learn through personal experience. For instance, consider the gravity of actions like murder—God desires us to recognize it as wrong without needing to commit such acts to grasp their immorality. In the story of Adam and Eve, they possessed an innate sense that eating the forbidden fruit was wrong, which is evident in Eve's response to the serpent: "But God said we shouldn't." This indicates that God endowed her with a conscience that recognized disobedience as wrong. Unfortunately, she chose to ignore that inner voice and ultimately learned through experience the consequences of defying God. In this context, we can see that we are meant to be innocent, not ignorant. God intended for us to understand right from wrong through His guidance, rather than through the painful lessons of sin.

DrSophieDarlingReacts

Innocence can also be ignorance because who is God to decide whether humanity has the right to learn and to what capacity? I understand the comparison to children but in appointing them caretakers of paradise implies a level of authority. So why does God get to dictate and punish if they would receive such knowledge eventually? Why did it take a singular mistake to punish all humanity? I respect your perspective but it still feels less like love and more the need for control. I have conflicted emotions with religion. I believe in something but I'm not sure I believe in a sole divinity especially one cold and callous enough to damn humanity to suffer.

Erjon Sejdijaj

I appreciate the perspective on religion you gave this episode. For me, I'm way too STEM-pilled to be able to rationalise any sort of creator or divine power. Consciousness is just the way our brains happen to interpret the vast variety of senses it gets, and is manipulated in predictable ways when neurological pathways get damaged. There's nothing special about us other than that our carbon sacks harbour a slightly more sophisticated brain to think things through more. When it dies, we die with it, and that's all she wrote. I think of religion as a sort of personification of ignorance. Ignorance in the sense that mankind uses it to fill in the blanks of our understanding - adapting that religious view as our understanding of the world grew. Whereas we now laugh at the silly myths the ancient greeks cooked up to explain the tides of the water, in 1000 years we may laugh at the stories the bible would have us believe. I have no doubt the contemporary religions will of course be taken absolutely serious. Religion is also ignorance in the sense that it enforces our behavior, concluding the best ways to live as if they were some a priori facet of reality. It promotes a kind of death of curiosity, where any kind of rational thought or consideration against the Lord is frowned upon, or at best seen as a hurdle being crossed to reassert one's faith. To me, this is ludicrous by definition. There is no such thing as an inherent good, it's subjective to one's experience. Being good to anything and everything is fallacious, and to promote a way of living as subscribing to that idea I think is also wrong. To me, being good necessitates curiosity; it's always looking for a better way, always thinking through how you could have done things better. Take away that thought, and you're only left with mindless obedience. In a sense, religion is also ignorance to struggle. It's a way for people to cope with the fact that we'll all die one day, or to cope with the sins they have committed in the past, thinking it a way of finding absolution in the end. It's a bit of a meme, but I really like the phrase "rapist to papist pipeline." So many criminals who have done heinous deeds suddenly find God when forced to reflect upon themselves. Now I'm not saying these people can't turn their lives around to become good, nor am I saying finding religion is a bad thing inherently. Just that being religious doesn't suddenly make you a good person, and equally good people aren't inherently religious. Much of the bible, by today's standards, is describing horrible deeds we all collective frown upon. Punishments we consider indiscriminate, unjust, or disproportionate. Thing we now consider awful to be deemed as just or rightous. Sure, there's wisdom in the bible, and even Vinland Saga often quotes from it to enhance certain themes and ideas. Yet, I maintain that if are able to separate the "good" pages from the "bad" pages, you don't need the book in the first place.

Mickael Landry

🗣 "I think of religion as a sort of personification of ignorance. Ignorance in the sense that mankind uses it to fill in the blanks of our understanding - adapting that religious view as our understanding of the world grew." I think the argument that religion was created to fill gaps in our understanding greatly oversimplifies his existence. Religion is not really about explaining natural events like lightning or earthquakes; it also addresses questions of meaning, purpose, morality, and community. If religion were merely an explanatory tool, it likely would have faded away with scientific progress. In fact, religion aims mainly to provide answers to existential questions about life, death, and the universe, areas that science cannot always fully grasp. As our knowledge advances, religions can adjust their interpretations and teachings to align with these new insights. For instance, figures like Galileo viewed science as a way to deepen their understanding of biblical principles. Religious experiences can give individuals a sense of meaning and purpose, helping them make sense of their lives and experiences. Additionally, religion can be seen as a tool for social cohesion, acting as a survival strategy that helps societies adapt and navigate changing circumstances.

Mickael Landry

🗣"It's a way for people to cope with the fact that we'll all die one day, or to cope with the sins they have committed in the past, thinking it a way of finding absolution in the end." The understanding of religion is quite complex and multifaceted. 🤓 While some perspectives highlight its function as a psychological mechanism as you stated —helping individuals cope with mortality, guilt, and existential fears—others emphasize its broader cultural and social roles. Many see religion as a source of meaning, offering narratives that help individuals make sense of their lives and the universe. It often fosters a sense of community and shared identity, creating social bonds that sustain societies and promote cooperation. Additionally, religion can serve as a framework for moral guidance, shaping principles and behaviors that uphold social order. Beyond these functions, some interpret religious experiences as profound encounters with the sacred or transcendent, suggesting that religion arises from genuine spiritual insights. Conversely, skeptics and critics may view religion as a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of natural phenomena or psychological processes, rather than a reflection of ultimate reality. Overall, religion's role and origin are and will likely be always subjects of ongoing philosophical, theological, and anthropological debate, reflecting its significance across human history and cultures.

Mickael Landry

🗣"It promotes a kind of death of curiosity, where any kind of rational thought or consideration against the Lord is frowned upon, or at best seen as a hurdle being crossed to reassert one's faith." Many evangelical groups advocate for a literal interpretation of the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, which often conflicts with scientific understandings like evolution and cosmology. This creates a perception that faith and reason are incompatible, despite the fact that many historical Christian traditions have embraced more nuanced interpretations of scripture, including allegorical and metaphorical readings. The compatibility of the Big Bang theory with Christian theology is a notable example of this coexistence. Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest, proposed the Big Bang theory, demonstrating that science and faith can inform each other. Many Christians see God as the ultimate source of energy and matter, fostering a harmonious relationship between scientific discoveries and their beliefs about creation. This perspective promotes a faith that values inquiry and exploration, encouraging dialogue between science and religion and suggesting that both can enhance our understanding of existence.

Erjon Sejdijaj

Okay so you said a lot so forgive me for only selecting the bits I thought were important. To be honest, you didn't really say that much though, moreso just descriptions. "Religion is not really about explaining natural events like lightning or earthquakes; it also addresses questions of meaning, purpose, morality, and community." Nowadays it isn't, yet 2000 years ago it was. Earthquakes meant Poseidon was mad, a bad harvest meant Demeter was displeased, et cetera. I'm using greek gods as an example cause I know most about them, yet this was the case all over the world, just look at greek gods, or mayan gods. Each had their own pantheon dedicated to, as you rightly say, speak of their existence and their purpose, but also very much to explain the world around them. In fact, it was the case even before that; there is solid linguistic evidence that Zeus shares his name with the proto-indo-european god of the sun. "In fact, religion aims mainly to provide answers to existential questions about life, death, and the universe, areas that science cannot always fully grasp. As our knowledge advances, religions can adjust their interpretations and teachings to align with these new insights." Yes, this is what I said. Religion is, more than anything, a descriptor of the time it exists in. The moral teachings reflect the will of the people in that particular time more than any inherent good per se. And besides, the things you describe as existential questions - who knows, maybe in 1000 years we'll have an objective understanding of them. At that point, what becomes religion's use-case then? Though I admit that's not too fair of an argument to make. "It often fosters a sense of community and shared identity, creating social bonds that sustain societies and promote cooperation. Additionally, religion can serve as a framework for moral guidance, shaping principles and behaviors that uphold social order." So it does, just like any other culture in the world. I think of it as no different to patriotism, only the in-group is defined differently. And just like patriotism, I think much of the world's evil can be attributed to it. Community inherently calls for people *not* in that community. Most often, this leads to at worst ignoring of the out-group, yet in rare cases severe conflicts beget from it. Look no further than the middle east right fucking now. If not for religion, perhaps the people there could see how similar they all actually are. "Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest, proposed the Big Bang theory, demonstrating that science and faith can inform each other." What I personally think it signifies is that the idea of a God has become so malleable throughout the millennia that nothing will be able to dispel it; like I said, religion will always find a way to bend around the straps of scientific theory. Should a time ever come where the beginning of the universe is completely understood with hard, undeniable evidence, religious people will just say "God did that," despite having nothing to back it up. Gods used to be much like people, and as our understanding grew, that role of an omniscience struggled more and more to fit with that description. So, people adapted. Old testament God is described much like a regular old man taking a stroll in a garden, yet nowadays he's this unknowable figure of mystique and intrigue, who's somehow embedded into the very fabric of reality. Look, I'm not saying religion doesn't have any good in it. What I'm saying is that the good in religion doesn't come from the religion itself, but the humanity of the people practicing it.

Mickael Landry

I usually steer clear of talking about religion, even though I find it an intriguing subject. So, I appreciate you and Sophie for starting this discussion in a friendly and open way, especially since the context of Vinland Saga fits well with it. 🤗 🤝 I'll wrap up with that. Faith can be seen as trust, which can be shaped by personal experiences and evidence instead of being completely without it. This is in stark contrast to the idea that faith should be blind or uncritical. The interpretation of Hebrews chapter 11 in the Bible is also important. The context of that passage indeed indicates that faith is not merely about believing without evidence, but about trusting in what one has experienced or understood, even when it is not visible. This nuanced perspective on faith allows for a more dynamic relationship with belief, one that includes doubt and struggle as part of the human experience. I want to emphasize again that some evangelical groups may stress a strict interpretation of faith, which reflects a larger discussion about how various communities within Christianity deal with doubt, questioning, and personal experience. However, many traditions within Christianity encourage believers to confront their doubts and pursue a deeper understanding of their faith, rather than pushing those doubts aside (Sophie did elaborate on that in a previous episode if I remember). I do not oppose religion and critical thinking. 🙂

Mickael Landry

No problem, I respect your viewpoint even though we have different perspectives. 😀 I believe that at its core, religion teaches tolerance, love for others, respect for human dignity, and the fulfillment of duties towards God and others, as well as a sense of community and responsibility. However, religion can also be misused to commit wrongdoings and persecute groups of people. This happens to my view when political and ideological motivations overlap with religious rhetoric, justifying acts of discrimination and violence, including against those seen as different or as a threat.

Brunch

An arguement people often overlook is that if god is a creator, all rules/concepts/ understanding must have been developed by him. To me, that would include good, evil, death, life, balance, fairness, unfairness, logic etc. It becomes really hard to believe that if he is part of one of his own concepts of "all benevolent" that he would create evil, wrong doings and also destine humans to do those actions (since he is "all knowing" he knows and creates humans and their wrong doings) for him to be able to punish humans for that, and then behave like all humans should act in his will, even though he intentionally gave them free will. Even the concept of free will, ethics, reason, punishment, life are all things he "willingly" created, and the universe couldve existed without such concepts in the first place. Its makes no sense that he creates the problem, and then acts like the solution. TLDR: God created the potentially bad actions in this world, created concepts of good and evil, and planned all the wrong doings. None of these concepts had to be created, and any logic we use to justify their existence is also under concept that he had to create (you really have to question everything you know and make sense with because those are all the logic we base from THIS universe). Why would any god as described in texts intentionally create others intentionally lesser and force them on paths of his own logic. The existence of god is something we cannot describe in our own understandings, and all the attempts done are clearly done by humans in their own understanding and bias. Looking at this from an outside view, his actions all are pointless and humans waste their time trying to understand something incoprehensible to us. Then again, the concept of something "making sense" is also... a created concept. Apologies for the long comment, just a viewpoint from someone agnostic. 😁

Booty

free will created the hellscape that is thorfinns world and life. and that era in general, unfettered free will. granted by god. we miss the religious message a lot these days because people are born into this modern moral structure and belive it to be their own creation.

Cephas

As a former religious person, I can confirm that blindly following is a huge part of it. One of the bible verses that kept getting brought up was Proverbs 3:5 which says "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding", and if that's not brainwashing, I dont know what is.

Jobbe Smit

My one complaint here is your limited definition of religion that excludes those without gods. Religion is just a set of rituals to interact with the supernatural. From the theistic gods that lord over our daily lives that we must appease with daily rituals to finding closure over the loss of the soul of a dead lost one with funerary rites to giving a prayer to the sun for good weather. They're all just rituals, personal or communal.

Jobbe Smit

@Mickael Landry, that primarily sounds a very Christian centric view of religion. I can easily find quite a few intolerant religious believes. Really anything that's monotheistic over henotheistic tends to become quite intolerant of others.

Erjon Sejdijaj

If I came across as defining religion merely within theistic confines, then I apologise as that wasn't at all my intention. I stuck with religious systems I'm most familiar with - ie christianity, greek pantheon, et cetera. These indeed happen to be theistic in nature. Religion does not necessitate gods, although they go together is the vast majority of cases. Religion is nothing more than a tradition of thought, more than anything a testament of the age and culture in arose in. Taoism centres not around a divine creator, but around the metaphysical concept of the Tao, almost like the flow of the world. In a way this is analogous to a God anyway, a being or thing that transcends our understanding and shaping the world as we know it. I feel obliged to add that Taoism later developed its own theistic pantheon, although by this point we're really stepping into territories of concepts I don't properly understand. From what I know, Taoist gods were inferior to the Tao anyway. Buddhism is of course another popular non-theistic belief system. Despite it featuring divine beings, these are not held to the same standard as for instance Yahweh is, and are stuck in their own cycles of Samsara. The universe's creation is of no concern, as it cycles endlessly anyway. Breaking from that cycle is what is central in this religion. I think that despite its differences with a religion like christianity, the points I brought up still apply here. It still elevates another being, in this case Buddha, as some truely good figure who is to be worshipped. It still teaches an objectively correct way of life that is to be followed should you want to achieve nirvana. The religious practises you mention are the core to every religion ever. This is why they're a testament to the culture they were created in; it's humanity finding coincidental patterns because our brains are pattern finding machines, some people recreate the circumstances to find the same coincidental result, this superstition gets more popular and eventually becomes the basis to a religion. This religion then travels, and as it gets farther and farther away from its origin, the practises change with the new culture; now, suddenly, a new branch is starting to form, based on the same religious principles, yet shaped with new superstitions. This is of course oversimplifying, but it just goes to show how human this entire process is. Everything I find beautiful in religion is not because of the belief system itself, but rather the humanity that forms its foundation. In the end, the point still stands. I'm sure loads of people find fulfillment in their religious practises, and something like Buddhism has certainly aged better than the abrahamic religions in terms of cultural zeitgeist. Nonetheless, a truly good person should not be held to contrain themselves to such a preordained system. Once again, if you can pick out only the good parts of a book, you don't need to book to be good.

Rokkettdog

On "positive" merits: Religion is security. It's peace of mind that something "greater" is out there with a personal interest in *you* and that the world humanity was born into isn't just an indifferent void. That there is truly some meaning in our existence bigger than existence itself and whatever *we* make of it. That kind of "comfort" than helps one preserve thru life is the part I can at least understand and, to a small extent, respect. However...it's really nothing more than a binding chain or contract. I grew up in a heavily christian environment and, similarly, become disenfranchised to the belief (luckly) quite early on. How can a truly benevolent, omnipotent, almighty entity rule with fear? I've seen and spoken with countless believers who, in the end, frankly use their "god" as an excuse and coddling tool for their every action. They just willingly give away their own agency; For their every *good* deed and responsibility of their every bad act. I've remained an open mind for possibilities my entire life and I could accept the existence of an entity outside our own. Yet, if such an entity does exist...they aren't like any record describes. They must be so lonely...to have made other life, let alone life that could resemble themselves. If such a being that created me exists...I only empathize with them.