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Hollywood6ix

One thing I find interesting is that is when Thorfinn has these posthumous conversations with Thors and Askenladd, he has more in depth conversations with Askenladd. Even back to season 1 all the vision of thors every really tells him is "you have no enemies". I think it reflects that is really all he really remembers of his father and it just fills in the gaps but with the vision of Askenladd his brain can create much more in depth conversations because he spent more formative years with him,knew him more and how Askenladd thought about things.

Vivasvan Gautam

Honestly, I cannot fathom in my tiny existence what goes through heads of people who are able to write stories such as Vinland saga. I have seen countless threads, discussion forums in which people say that this story Inspires them to do better. To be better. It changed the way they look at life. That they came out as different person after experiencing it. And my experience with it has also been same. I will just provide a paraphrased quotation by author on Thorfinn. "There are many stories where protagonists use violence to solve problems or 'do good.' I wanted to write a story where the protagonist’s mission fails if he uses it" - Makoto Yukimura

icyfire

Yeah, this one hit hard. But we got purpose now 😎

icyfire

'Take the people you killed with you' There's something so profound about this line that I can't quite put my finger on.

rusiani

OH YES I WAS JUST WATCHING 2X8 IM READY

Erjon Sejdijaj

"I'm not gonna cry" is actually one of things most frequently said before crying! This episode is basically a panel for panel remake of the manga. Storyboarded once again by the legendary Atsushi Kobayashi, same guy from ep4, his use of colour and timing was just astounding. Many people chose this episode as their favourite episode released in 2023 - personally I'm not sure if it's even the best of the arc, but it's certainly up there. That final shot of Thorfinn with the hoe is like top 5 most recognisable manga panels of the entire work I wanna say, certainly emblematic for this entire part of the narrative. There's frankly so much to say about this episode that I have to hold back from making an entire dissertation. The way Askeladd and Thorfinn both exist in the same "plane" of the dream world, that's to say the same elevation, yet Askeladd only has the choice of jumping back down whereas Thorfinn has the choice of climbing up. The confrontation of Thorfinn and his victims, one of the most intimate scenes of the entire story, crying as they beg him for answers. The way Thors nods in approval at the end of the episode despite us being unable to actually see his face. Truly one of those "every frame a painting" kind of episodes. A couple of things I want to discuss (I say as if this comment will in any way remain brief). I think there's a difference between Thorfinn punching the retainer and Thors punching Askeladd's men. Thorfinn's was a punch of anger, a snap impulse without thought. Thors' was deliberated, devoid of rage and rashness. If anything, he only felt shame he had to punch his way out of it. In his own words, he must rely on a sword as he was not yet a master. This idea of "just violence" is something the manga discusses basically for its entire runtime, and basically every nuance that I could think of and more have been thoroughly explored by the author, but I think this is the first example in Thorfinn's journey where it's really come to discussion. What I also wanted to point out Askeladd in this episode, particularly when Thorfinn started crying. He didn't look at him with any scorn, none of his usual veneer of sarcastic wit. He let Thorfinn cry, slightly wistful yet earnest and serious. Of course, it's a dream sequence and not the actual Askeladd, whatever - but it was deliberately written in a way where Askeladd remained in character, untainted. I think it highlights yet another layer of his character, one where he can truly act on his morals when he is unburdened by the social pressure he puts on himself. Another exchange I found poignant was the final exchange between Ketil and Pater. Following on from two episodes ago, Ketil is surprised at how Pater was able to handle the situation without any fear for repercussion or social injury. Pater's reply, in my opinion, was profound: "I've been through a lot." Having seen firsthand the other side of the fence, the side currently being chopped down by Thorfinn and Einar, he knows what it means to act justly. He does not care for power or might, and gladly stares the retainers in the eyes when he delivers them their due. It's a very deliberate parallel to Ketil's deliberation with the kid's punishment; a highlight of how backbone is required in order to do good deeds. Regardless of whether you think he had a choice or not, truth remains that not acting out the punishment would have been the "morally correct" choice. Lastly (I promise), the music at the end of the episode starting when Thors walks off over the hill is actually a stripped down arrangement of the music that played when Thors got killed. It's called "True Warrior" in the season 1 soundtrack, and I believe this is the only time it's been played since. What an episode huh. And we're not even halfway through the season yet... Much more to come yet.

Username123

Thors was the father that showed him the proper moral way to live his life, and Askeladd was the father that taught him what he needed to know in order to survive in the messed up world they live in, even if it was violent and cruel it kept him alive.

Adam

Iconic

Mickael Landry

Great reaction and discussion 👌 This episode was truly beautiful and likely one of the most awaited by the community members. Witnessing Thorfinn at his lowest is deeply moving, but even more uplifting is seeing him rise above his past. This is going to be a fascinating battle for Thorfinn. He has been instructed to climb out and continue on. You may wonder how much longer he can avoid or stay distant from violence. I also really valued how Askeladd is depicted. He is aware and positioned on a high pillar, not engaging in battle, symbolizing his role as a haunting memory who has come to terms with his sins. This stands in stark contrast to the mindless, zombie-like warriors below, who are still engulfed in their rage. This is undoubtedly one of the finest episodes in anime history. A perfect 10/10. The music, animation, and everything else were simply outstanding. Mappa has truly excelled in this adaptation.

Vivasvan Gautam

As much as I look forward to Dr Sophie's reactions, now I also look forward to your comments under them. Thank you for sharing all the wonderful things about Vinland. I have loved Vinland for a long time and your comments make me appreciate it in different light everytime.

Erjon Sejdijaj

Aw, thank you! I really enjoy making these write-ups, nice to see someone else enjoys them as well!

Mickael Landry

Yeah that's a iconic sentence.🔥 It implies that the weight of those he has hurt is a responsibility he must bear. A reflection on how he must carry his past with him and the importance of confronting it rather than running away.

Mickael Landry

Although I understood Thorfinn's journey, I wasn't his most ardent supporter in Season 1. But, in season 2, wow...he truly touched my heart and later became such an inspiration for me too. Because he shows that even in a life marked by violence or deep trauma, the opportunity for transformation and personal development is still accessible to all of us.❤️‍🩹

Dillon leeming

The blood river is very dante. There's a river of boiling blood in the circle of wrath, for the warmongers and conquerers. Attilla the huns there and I think Alexander the great too. Thors having his own corpse guilt pile is obvious but it's such a cool reveal. Thors apologising for leaving him is a point i didn't think of. "A true warrior doesn't need a sword " but I imagine he's thinking maybe it should have killed them. But too late now. Dreams of his 2 father figures. One on the surface one in hell

Leah Henderson

I was in tears throughout this one 🥲 I agree with the depression metaphor (also speaking from experience!). That was the first thing I thought going back to when Fox sliced at him and he didn’t react. Hearing the raw emotion in his voice in this episode hits so hard, too. 😭 The voice actor is astounding!

Leah Henderson

I loved that about Askeladd's depiction as well! When his eye opened and we saw it was normal, I made a sound out loud like "Ah ha!" on the first watch!

Leah Henderson

Your note about the musical arrangement made me actually choke up! Thank you for sharing!

Mickael Landry

I believe there are indeed many of us who appreciate your thorough explanations that give a complete understanding of each scene. I truly like when you provide insightful comparisons with the manga, especially since I haven't had the chance to read it. 📖

Mickael Landry

Damn I really miss Aslekadd a lot, especially his laughter, even though Einar's laugh is also quite contagious.

Cephas

Askeladd isn't a good person, but man is he a great character