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Early update for June 22, 2025 (Patreon)

Published:
2025-06-21 03:55:01
Imported:
2026-06

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it's true, all of it

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Minzoku Bokumetsu

"Joyce thinks sex is a thing that happens between people who hold hands" ... 🤔

Grace Serenity

No, see, she just did LAUNDRY with Dorothy... Yeah, definitely that and not mutual masturbation in the laundry room... I mean, what? Joyce and Dorothy? That'd be crazy!

P J Upton

Love that enthusiasm from Alice!

Megh

Ah yes, deflection Classic Walky

HenryVolt

Fair point, for the longest time I personally just thought crotches needed to touch long enough for it to count...it was pretty straight forward.

Maybeeus

OK i'm full team sickos now, Joyce break his back make him humble.

Jeremy AR

Before i even read the text Alice big Goofy grin killed me. Now that is how she was Jennifer beastie, girl love some gossip.

C

Joyce: ...For seemingly no reason, I feel like we should make love right here and now to spite Walky.

Kelly (they-them)

Joyce thinks she's had sex with Dorothy *according to certain definitions of sex* - and according to those definitions, she's right.

Kelly (they-them)

In this strip, Alice plays the role of the reader who just started Dumbing of Age like a week ago

TobyTura

every scene change is the illusion of a different plotline but actually no it all returns to this one

Dan Rabin

This strip continues the wonderful visual rhythm of solo-shots from the previous strip, with Billie turning her head to address Alice's question with a repeated fence around Joyce and Dorothy's privacy. If you put the strips together in order, you can see Alice's cheeks puff out as she sucks harder on her straw as she starts to understand. She's ecstatic at the insight, which belongs more to her high-school friendship with Billie than with New Billie. Walky making his Joyce-joke *is* the Walky joke in in this strip, but blunting Billie's curiosity may not be a bad thing. I like the fact that this is very much what these characters would say in this situation, as if David Willis didn't even *try* to get their written permission to write a story in which they all believe and prize the gossip. The gossip, nonetheless, is sorta true—but the situation is developing. Joyce has a clear hold on the situation, and on Dorothy.

Dan Rabin

I think part of the point is that Joyce worked her way to her own definition as it applies in her own life. Assessing disease transmission requires a more uniform and clinical definition, but that's not the issue here.

The25th

I love you Walky, but GOD you are in for a rude awakening

Dan Rabin

Walky may be straightforwardly expressing his habitual way of interpreting Joyce. At some point a changing Billie may re-assess a changing Joyce, but this hasn't happened as of this strip.

Harold

Jennifer: "Wait - Walky, did Dorothy send you a tidd-- oh, shit. Never mind." Walky: "What?" Alice: [munches from bag of popcorn that has suddenly appeared]

L2theBell

Honestly, the girls involved are really the last two to realize how long they've been pining...

Maybeeus

Give her a week and she'll cover every definition in the book plus a few entirely new ones.

Kelly (they-them)

You know, when you just outright call it mutual masturbation, yeah. It was definitely sex.

Maude Reads Things

This is a surprise conversation with a very large chance of making me sad later

Jeremy AR

Joyce and Dorothy inevitable banging absorbs all plotines unti itself, soon it will be unstoppable god have mercy of us.

Mariah

all your suffering brings you back to me (joycexdororthy drama)

Mariah

I since some bitterness...

Andrew

Billie gave her a set of books to catch up, after Alice has spent the last few years in the ‘I swear you’ll get a strip next week’ green room.

Maybeeus

I'm starting to think we're picking back up on the plotline from around book 9 or so about Joyce rediscovering herself and confronting how others perceive her. It was an arc that kinda crashed with... Kinda all of what happened in book 10 but it feels like it's been a longtime coming to return to it. Walky has kind of always been a huge prick to Joyce hasn't he? The only reason i can assume she puts up with it is because she's grown up with several siblings who were similar manner of beasts and she's grown a very thick skin to banter. But it highlights the recurring issue of everyone viewing Joyce as the same sheltered fundie christian she was at the start of the comic. The idea she's completely clueless and can't take care of herself. Most of what she's done post timeskip has been in service of disproving that and dismantling that image piece by piece but even with all of the effort she's put in none of it's stuck with others. I kinda need to dig up the old mummified corpse of Joyce x Walky for a minute to bring up the fact that, by this point isn't Joyce kinda Walky's type??? To a lesser extent i guess you could say she's also become Danny's type but i opened the coffin to that ship and there's just dust in there not even the mummy made it i think it mighta gotten pillaged by those freaks who ate most of the mummies? I remember reading about that? I think it was the french... Or ancient catholics... I think the french ate Roomie's Era-Danny's mummy but that doesn't really have anything to do with this comic anymore. Joyce is as now into the same cartoon that made him go gaga for Dorothy originally even, a turn he explicitly resisted. I feel like so much of their dynamic at that point interests me because it highlights so many of Walky's issues as a person and whatever keeps them from getting apart i feel at it's core IS Dumbing of Age. The idea of these two just being completely irreconcilable and that weird barrier that's formed between the both of them. It really contrasts how Sal and Danny managed to get back together and are actually thriving as a couple after everything and how sweet it is that the original pairing that started it all managed to get back together. My mind wanders back to the last Joyce & Walky page before DoA hit... "Do you think if we med under entirely different circumstances, like a college or something, we still would have ended up together?" *smash cuts to Joyce trying to fuck Dorothy * "I don't know, but i hope we never, ever find out."

Railway Series Book Club

Walky did date Lucy, who is Hetero Joyce. That relationship crashed and burned for reasons that probably wouldn't have come up for Joyce, but in terms of personalities meshing... I think you're on the money that without Walky's mental image of Joyce failing to update after all this time, they probably would do fine. But they won't, because Walky's gonna Walky. ...this is only barely related but since you brought up the ship, i will admit there is a sick, twisted part of me that wants to see a modern revisit to joyce and danny as a relationship... but that would require a lot of ships i'm ride-or-die for to explode, so i dunno if i want to see it *that much*

darklion

all the expressions of contempt

Maybeeus

I think when folks think "endgame" ships they think ships that will last forever or are the end pairing of a piece of media which for a story like dumbing of age that's supposed to last forever would probably be a very bad thing. There however, are a few ships in the comic i would consider endgame in the sense that if they happen the comic would just crumble in on itself and end. Joyce and Walky is one. Joyce and Danny would probably be another. Jorothy is a ship i truly believe to be endgame and came at a time where it runs in direct opposition of everything established in the most messy chaotic way possible while Walky and Danny as options for Joyce would probably lead straight into Smarting of Age territory... I think a lot of what would have theoretically happened with those relationships ended up happening with Joe and Joyce too is the thing which is an ancient pairing that came back from the dead swinging.

Smoochie

I would describe Walky and Joyce’s relationship as…Catty. Prickly. When asked about attraction to each other early on it wasn’t…Great responses. I do believe there was a strip where Joyce finally saw Walky’s hotness and was more perplexed by it than anything and we have Walky x Lucy briefly to go by his side… But Joyce is still Joyce. There’s always been a little bit of contempt with each other, that really started since Dorothy and Walky dated. Walky would tease Joyce of course but once he monopolized a lot of Dorothy’s time, Joyce made it clear in no uncertain terms that Walky was a catch for no one and didn’t deserve Dorothy—something Walky has continued to internalize up to Dorothy saying this new ‘ship’ they are in doesn’t really matter. Judging by Dorothy’s reaction to Booster once, she kinda thinks it too. I would actually go as far as saying neither of them have updated their opinions on each other because neither one knows what the other has been through. Walky has little idea Joyce has been on this crusade of self discovery, and in turn Joyce has little idea that Walky has been on this crusade of confronting his own head-in-sandness. (His mom, his relationship with Sal). Even both of them ironically trying do something (a comic strip for the paper) was contentious because it was against each other over the comic, like their relationship has prickled over Dorothy. Yes, Walky is for a rude awakening and this same bitterness towards Joyce is why I’ve felt like the one tinfoil person in so many comic comments. Walky is NOT going to handle this well no matter how many people think he’s going to wave a giant Pride flag when Dorothy and Joyce are finally together. We can all ship those two until the cows go home but he’s going to take it a LOT worse than Joe. Villain arc? I can dream but probably not. <.< The only way I imagine we may return to a Walky x Joyce endgame is growth and how the see each other finally follows (and Dorothy and Joyce end in a similar way to how Walky and Dorothy is about to end).

Smoochie

He does need to work on that—but I suspect realization that Dorothy gave him apology sex and never explained why is going to go off like a nuke.

Shane Wegner

IS Joyce even into women? It’s a given she admires Dorothy in particular.

T Campbell

This is a new and interesting side of Alice. Had she overheard this chat before forgiving Billie, she might've viewed it as just more Billie-adjacent drama to keep clear of. Now, though, she's invested in Billie and starting to get invested in Billie's friends, which means she's developing a thirst for the drama as long as she can view it from a safe distance. A bit like Booster without the analytical superiority complex. And honey, if you're getting thirsty for drama, have you ever come to the right place.

Mariah

Willis has joyce wear the colors of the bi flag Makes a joke about mary being the only straight one in the laundry room. Has Jokes about joyce thinking sal is cool and hot. I don't know its a real mystery.

Shane Wegner

There are plenty of things Joyce could do clinch being bi for me, but she hasn't done any of them yet. The comic creator tagging jokes (that could qualify as gentle trolls if it turns out to be teasing the audience) don't measure as in universe evidence for me. If they get serious about using washing machines as a really detached mutual masturbation method, I guess that would count. But giving up at the first sign of resistance doesn't scream committing to the bit. If Joyce had said "screw this busy laundry room, come back to my room right now and we'll (something sapohic)" that will be an immediate course change from me.

Andrea Andrew

Walky’s either in denial or a massive jerk. I think this is why Joyce isn’t worried about winning Dorothy’s heart at his expense.

Andrea Andrew

You think Joyce and Walky will end up together, and Joyce and Dorothy would collapse? 😅 Seriously though, outside of that, I agree.

Maybeeus

My take on current events is that unless this takes the polycule route Walky x Joyce will remain nothing by a bygone memory for a very long time. If we DO go down that route then that's the closest we'll have gotten to seeing them back together within our lifetimes. I think so much of what interests me about these two is how the ship sunk in the first place and if those differences will ever be reconciled. Joyce and Dorothy are already pretty heavily married at this point in the story and i really don't want to see that ship sink ever really. But then the thought of the strongest ship of yesterday and the strongest ship of the future merging together to form some kind of SuperShip like a super robot flows through my mind and i go "Damn that would be very funny". (i just woke up so this reply is probably a bit sloppy sorry lol)

Maybeeus

Joyce has been into girls since there were still two of those damn towers standing. The foreshadowing doesn't just extend to early DoA but goes all the way back to It's Walky! and how anti joyce was very weirdly super into the idea of trying to get Sal into an orgy. There are only so many times you can crack a joke before people start genuinely raising eyebrows but then there's also having two characters blushing while holding each others faces mere seconds away from a makeout. People will go through a thousand hoops to prove something isn't gay when it's way easier to just admit it, it's crazy.

Mariah

Spoiler Alert!!! reminds me of people that thought vi and caitlyn were just really good friends in arcane all the way into season 2 and then became shocked and horrified by the sex scene. We have run out of plausible deniability long ago.

zee

Walkys being consistent with how he's always been. These are the jokes he's always made about Joyce. Feel how you will about it, I'm just saying it's the norm. I don't think he knows anything about Joyce's journey of sexual liberation, cuz like. Why would he?

zee

@ Mariah Wait the make out scene in episode 1 didn't too them off?

zee

Yeah I guess walky's type is just cute smart and glasses huh. It'd never worth tho, her specific brand of autism and his specific brand of ADHD go together like flint on steel. And I don't mean it'll make the good kind of sparks. This version of them are best as annoying siblings

Mariah

sorry I don't know why in my brain I assume everyone in the world has already watched Arcane lol I will edit it.

Mariah

nope believe it or not some said that the kiss was a "trauma response" and caitlyn was "confused" very similar to dorothies reasoning others said the show "went woke" when the kiss was leaked before season 2 I had to get off the arcane subreddit the lack of media literacy was driving me nuts.

Astariel

As someone who read (and reread) Dumbing of Age before going back and reading the Walkyverse strips, I don't have any nostalgic reasons for wanting to see Walky/Joyce, and I definitely don't see any in-universe reasons for thinking they would make a good pair. My preference would be to stick with Dorothy and/or Joe as partners for Joyce, but barring them, I can't offhand think of anyone in the main cast who would be less compatible with her than Walky.

Jeremy AR

And consider how Jennifer agrees with that, it is how most of the characters think about Joyce (and thinking about how she was at the beginning, it is pretty reasonable. First impressions are hard to shake off)

Jeremy AR

@ Shane Willis has explicitly make fun of snd called out people who still think Joyce is straight. If Joyce showing her attraction towards Dorothy over snd over is not enough for you, you might just have some bias that you are not acknowledging.

Maybeeus

Pretty sure patron just ate a wall of text on my end so i'm going to beat glass with my fists but my point isn't that i want Joyce and Walky to fuck, i want them to fight. Verbally, 1 on 1. I want them to sort out whatever they have going on. Not to say i don't have some secret shipping agenda here, but i refuse to show my hand until i know it's a winning one.

Mariah

Willis even kicked out a patreon who was making homophobic and doragatory comments about joyce and dorothy shippers I remember it was about how they didn't care about their friendship and only wanted to see them bang. I saw the whole thing go down during the bar arc.

Ria

What I love so deeply about Joyce and Walky's dynamic is just like, how steeped they both are in their respective first impressions of one another, those impressions being as they are so intensely colored by each of their feelings about Dorothy. Like, Joyce cannot find grace in her heart for Walky to save her life, and it seems increasingly clear that this comes from her own passionate feelings about Dorothy affecting how "she's way too good for him". Meanwhile, Walky has always felt stung by this, and can see – consciously or not – how effortlessly devoted Dorothy is to Joyce. That she has also demonstrated devotion to him has shaken him, over and over, because he just doesn't feel like he could possibly deserve it. He thus has to keep Joyce in this surface level box understanding of her, so that his delusion that Dorothy is obsessed with lost causes can be preserved. This is kind of why I think him and Amber are kinda maybe perfect for each other, since they both hold themselves in such low regard and hold the other much higher. I think for them each to heal, they need to have a space where they can be garbage together: a rotten heap from which their newer better selves, seen only by the other, may bloom 🌼