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12 Monkeys Full Length Reaction (Patreon)

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2026-02-10 14:00:10
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2026-02-20 16:05:59
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K, Zachary

So if you are looking for Romcoms my gf her favorite is The Mexican Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts. Anyway 12 Monkeys excellent movie, I will watch this afternoon. Got to go to the IC (Iowa City)

LaserLamb

Hey Kat! I LOVE that you've branched out & are watching non-horror specific movies! Thank you for watching this one. First, Terry Gilliam is one of our contemporary director geniuses. His other films include Time Bandits, Brazil, The Fisher King, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, The Brothers Grimm, among others. All brilliant. He started as the animator/troupe member of Monty Python's Flying Circus. 🎪 I've seen this movie at least 5 times, & I think I caught just about everything this time. About the end, he leaves that voice mail saying it wasn't the 12 Monkeys, it was someone else (did he mention Goines?), so they send the guy to give him a gun to kill the lab worker before he gets on the plane. Ostensibly, this would change the events & create another timeline where there is no global virus, but he fails & gets killed, with the 8-year old James Cole witnessing his future self get murdered. But, you missed the next part. The lady who sits next to the lab worker with the virus vials on the plane is one of, if not THE main doctor from the future. She says to him, "I'm in insurance". After they figured giving the gun to James didn't change anything, they sent her to "ensure" that the lab worker was stopped. Hypothetically, she could've stopped him somehow. Of course, that begs the old time travel question: if the future is changed, where did the future that the travelers came from go? Anyway, she may have failed as well since the calamity already happened. So the doctors were focused on getting samples of the virus from life on the surface, so they could study it & create a vaccine for it. Perhaps Cole was supposed to get those vials & bring them back with him to the future so they could study it. Patrons, am I right? Or did I misunderstand anything? Kat, much love to you ✨️💖✨️

Dave_Dot_Executable

If it makes you feel any better I've watched that movie two dozen times and I'm not sure I understand the whole thing.

Sven Lekberg

Jimmy Stewart, not Cary Grant. And the film is "Vertigo", arguably the best film Hitchcock ever made. Be forewarned, though. Might induce a serious headache. ;)) (...one of those "I've got to see that again" pieces..., like the "12 Monkeys", or "Mullholland Drive"...Naomi Watts absolutely blows it out of the water!!!! Lynch knows EXACTLY what he's doing, not Terry Gilliaming around, and it's quite a tour de force...if you pardon my Canadian...;)) [2:11:50] And you think Terry Gilliam DOES??????? ;))))))))) It feels like the narrative is coalescing towards a final reveal, but even then we are sooooo much left to our own devices grappling with unanswered questions. I like to think, Terry Gilliam being Terry Gilliam, he was very much aware of the ambiguity he was creating and he tried to lean into it. Even the "insurance" lady at the end. It was the lady from the future (or at least the same actress), or was she (FROM the future, I mean)? She seemed quite younger for one thing. How do we know for sure she didn't share the flight with the waco in the first place as a young woman...originally, and over and over again, purely by accident. The nudge, nudge is definitely there. But if you're looking for certainty, this ain't the movie, I'm afraid. P.S. Speaking of monkeys, ever seen the modern "Planet of the Apes" trilogy, Kat? The one with Andy Serkis? Truly epic story with a heart and brains to spare. (If you ever feel like trying out the best mainstream Hollywood had to offer not so long ago, these pictures were made with love and care for sharp viewers endowed with a beating heart. Keep on keeping on, madam, and viva la cinema!

Kris Jensen

James explained the time travel rules for this movie early on: You can't change the past. He can't save anyone from the virus because it has already happened. They are already dead. His mission is to find a source of the original pure virus - so the scientists in the future can study it and fight it in the future - so humanity once again can live on the surface. James succeeded with his mission. That's why the scientist lady appeared on the plane at the end - the one saying she was in insurance - the one getting the original virus all over herself to bring back. There's a lot of "tricks" in the movie that's there to keep us, the viewers, confused and second guessing ourselves. For instance, the old guy without teeth only ever calls James "Bob" solely so when Kathryn asks about "James" he can say "who's James?" and WE can go "huh?". Another one is that James actually does suffer from audio/visual hallucinations - we're explained why, because the human-mind can't deal with the whole time travel ordeal - So when James sees the very distinctive scarred guard from the future in the asylum or the airport - or hears the old guy in the bathroom even though he's not there - WE again can go "huh?". The same again when Kathryn develops Stockholm syndrome (which they also explains to us) and starts saying stuff like "This is how I remember you" - again WE go "huh?". The time travel animation looks like quickly moving through a dark forest solely so when James is running through a dark forest right after the guards say "he can't just disappear" WE think he has. The real bear doing the pose and standing still is there solely to make US start doubting everything when the stuffed bear appears at the same location. It's all a lot of clever things to keep us confused and intrigued - and while typing this I'm making mad gestures like Jeffrey and yelling at people to get out of my chair.

LaserLamb

Well okay then. I guess I DIDN'T catch everything this time 😅 Just remember to keep the games locked up, unless you wanna sedate yourself. 🤨

K.N.

Great reaction, Kat! One of my favorite sci-fi films, and one of my favorite Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt performances. Just a couple things you may have missed: the reason Kathryn had blood on her face wasn't because she took her tooth out, it was because that pimp punched her in the previous scene and her nose was bleeding. The woman in the airplane at the end sitting next to the scientist with the virus was from the future (she was one of the scientists talking to Cole in the future scenes). She says she's in "insurance" because she's either going to grab a sample of his virus to develop a cure, or maybe kill him and change the past. Finally, I believe they gave Cole the gun at the end because they knew how he was supposed to die, at the airport aiming a gun at some guy. They were creating the circumstances of his death so that the timeline wasn't changed.

K, Zachary

So I watched this with you. I had to get some clarification on this years ago but you were right Kat about the loop thing. Next week we are going to see Scream 7 for a special showing. Did you hear the voice at the end of the Super Bowl Spot? Could it be?

Flounder

Please, PLEASE consider watching JACOBS LADDER (1990). It directly inspired the horror video game Silent Hill. It’s deeply emotional, not just scary. Under the horror, it’s a tragic human story about, loss, regret, trauma, and acceptance. Which is what makes the final act hit so hard. It’s up on my MUST WATCH list alongside 12 MONKEYS. You’ll love it. If you ever do another movie with Cassie this would be a perfect choice. Thank you.

Vak

Apologies for getting here late, but... I'm glad to see this one here. It's one of my all-time favorite warped films, and NOBODY does "warped" quite like Terry Gilliam. So, Kat, when you were asking several times "Can someone explain?" the short answer is "because Terry Gilliam." His movies, like say Kubrick's, are designed to make you think while either being unclear, or providing several plausible explanations, so that what you take away from it in large part depends on what you brought to it. One key bit, as a couple of others have mentioned - the passenger "in insurance" sitting next to Goines' assistant on the plane is one of the doctors who interviewed Cole and assigned him missions. Their entire plan, as stated, was to track down a pure sample of the virus, before it became mutated - so when Cole's final phone call finally gave them that info, she showed up to get a sample. But...enter Terry Gilliam. You could read this as "hey, the plan finally worked." But it's a totally valid read that the assistant has already opened the virus sample at the security checkpoint - it's pretty clear based on his body language and actions. So...he's a carrier. And the doctor has now been unwittingly exposed, and will take that original strain back not in a sealed jar, but having been exposed herself. So, yeah, there's a time loop for Cole and Railly, but time moves on for the doctor - so, she'll be bringing what she thinks is what her society needs to research a cure for the future...but will ALSO trigger a fresh outbreak that might well mean the deaths of the SURVIVING 1% of humanity. (Yeah, Terry Gilliam.) I really liked your reaction to Brad Pitt. He absolutely earned the Best Supporting Actor nomination that he got for this film, and acting nods from this kind of film are rare as hell. It's also kind of fun that you bear more than a passing resemblance to Mid-90s Madeleine Stowe, whose name in the movie was literally Kat. She had several prominent roles around this time, so it's not surprising if she looks familiar. She backed off significantly from acting to focus on her family, and because she was annoyed with the traditional roles she was being offered - her work here shows that she was GREAT at playing unusual roles. She's popped up very occasionally since.