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🖖Star Trek TNG S06E23 Full Length Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-04-07 01:57:41
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S06E23 Rightful Heir

Ooooh this one was interesting! Wasn't expecting another Worf story so soon but this one made my wheels turn! Curious to hear what you guys think. Engage! 🖖** See THIS COLLECTION for episodes posted in airdate order!** We're following this watch order: STAR TREK EPISODE GUIDE BY AIRDATEDirect link*Note: You can change the quality of the video by clicking the settings icon (little cog) and making it a higher resolution!*

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Geoff S.

This episode opens the door to a lot of Klingon religious beliefs that become canon in Star Trek lore if I remember. I'd always wondered how it could be called the Klingon Empire with no emperor. Next week's TNG is pretty wild!

William Rosmer

Sto-vo-kor is a lot closer to the Norse afterlife in Valhala than the Christian concept of Heaven.

Ian

Sounds intriguing currently sleeping well meant to be so will check this out when I'm able , cheers Jen 🖖 oh and a massive happy birthday to you Jen have an amazing day 🥳🎂🎁🎈💙

Stephen Kronfeld

We still donn't really know anything definitive about the historical Kahless. Yeah, somebody's blood was on an old knife. Doesn't necessarily mean that it was Kahless's blood. Even if it was Kahless's blood, that doesn't prove that the historical Kahless did any of the great deeds attributed to him. It still all comes back to faith.

Summer

Next week is a big TNG

Dylan

I love when a new Star Trek reaction drops. Also Happy Birthday Jen I hope you have a wonderful day 🥳🎂🎉

RSK1995

Happy Birthday Jen!

john reed

ya good week next week

Rob Nichols

Happiest of Birthdays to you JennyPenny! So sorry you didn't make 100k by today, but by the end of April is still doable.

Opti_Frog

Ouch. It's painful to see Data perpetuate the myth that you can choose what to believe. Belief is not a choice, it is an involuntary response to being convinced that a claim is true. An interesting premise is utterly wasted as the writers have to walk on eggshells to avoid angry letters being sent to Paramount, and the end result is damp squib.

Dominic Smith

This is my fav TNG episode, which is surprising to most when Rightful Heir never even makes it onto top 10 lists when some kind of voting is used to get a fan consensus. For me this is one of those Trek episodes that feel more relevant than when it first aired, although ironically not for the reasons the writers ever intended. First and foremost, admission must be recognised that as an examination of faith this simply falls flat on it's face, fellow pateron supporter Opti_Frog did a superb job in their comment of highlighting the writers clear misunderstanding of the issue and the kid gloves they used. The biggest misstep in the story is that in spite of Worf's insistence that he for a time "found his faith" this is not what happened. While the writers, correctly in my view, did not try to go too deeply in the weeds regarding the social, political and economic nature of the Federation to remain a broad show and not totally alienate the audience a couple of keys things can be said, 1. The Federation is a post-scarcity society thanks to technological automation of production and replicators. 2. From this, a state ideology emergences, that I would describe crudely as techno-humanism, that is belief in the inherent good of scientific advancement and understanding and it's ability to solve social problems and the scientific method of enquiry being elevated to the default way society conditions it's population, though it's education and cultural intuitions, to think and understand issues. Worf, while embracing the Klingon mono-cultural traditions, in growing up and being raised in the Federation, was unable to escape internalising those values, hence his skepticism and inability to except Kahless on faith alone and it was only after he was shown imperial evidence in the form of the DNA test that embraced his belief. If the episode fails then as an examination of faith, where do I see it's value? For me it is the examination of religious intuitions as a social good and should be seen as the counter-argument to the excellent Who Watches the Watchers, which looked at the negative aspects of religious institutions. I like many others because the economically advanced countries that are often referred to collectively as The West are in a state of social and cultural decline that while it is not the primary cause, as aspect of this has been, the decline of traditional religion cultural traditions and it's replacement by what I can only describe as extreme cultural-hedonism as people are instead told to find meaning in their lives though endless consumerism and manufactured identity though social-media, we have seen a rise in widespread alienation and atomisation of society. In response to this has been the phenomena of atheists seeking meaning, connection and community in religious institutions and choosing to obey aspects of their social rules of conduct in spite of lacking the faith that for 99% of those involved, is an essential underpinning to justify their participation in them. So-called "cultural-Christians" are but one example of this. The reactions of religious people to this are of course varied, some highly amused at the non-religious seeming to be coming back with their tail between their legs, others highly offended that they seek the social benefits of their religion without the faith that sustains it etc. It does raise the obvious question of course, if the non-religious want to be part of institutions that gives their lives meaning and provide some kind of guidance, why not simply event their own? Attempts have been made of course, humanist societies for example. The problem however is that, the central ideas that are the basis of them, being man made without any divinity about them, means they hold no kind of real authority over a person and so can be fundamentally challenged in a way that faith based scripture can't so they are inherently less stable and lack the ritual aspect and submission to the divine authority of religious of religious organisations that people take comfort in etc. I say all of this as an outside observer, while I am an atheist, I have no personal desire to embrace a religious organisation to give my life a sense of purpose or meaning but rather except this feeling of my life being meaningless as a price worth paying to be free from religious enslavement. This short, episode of Star Trek in no way attempts to give definitive answers to one of the challenges of the modern age, however it does address them and open the door to think about such issues further and for that it is an episode I very much enjoy an appreciate.

Opti_Frog

I have neither the time nor inclination to unpack your post, despite some pretty bold claims you make. There's just too much. But i have a hard time believing that you are, in fact, an atheist. You don't have to address this point. I just have never met an atheist who calls his/her life "meaningless," or talks about humanist societies lacking divine authority. Anyway, i was hoping you could answer a question regarding "religious intuitions as a social good". Can you give any example of a religious institution that provides care or help that CAN NOT be provided by a secular institution that doesn't try to sneak god or faith in as part of the care?

Jeff Seely

If Kahless is only a clone, then there's one thing about this episode that doesn't make sense to me: the scene where he tells Worf about the vision Worf had as a child where he met Kahless and Kahless told him that he would do something no Klingon has ever done. Worf doesn't refute it, which implies that Kahless was correct. Kahless was implanted with memories of his predecessor's supposed deeds, but there's no way he would've been implanted with a memory of meeting Worf as a child. Does this suggest that Kahless might be a reincarnation of the original Kahless with the original's essence or spirit -- making him MORE than just a clone? I don't know. If there's something in the episode that I missed that answers this question, please let me know.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

The thing that Worf was to do that no Klingon had done was to join Starfleet. It's not a prediction of the current future but rather a past prediction that has already come true ie further proof at the time that Kahless was the real deal.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Given how short and sweet most fight scenes in Trek are these bat'leth and d'k tagh faceoffs are both gratifyingly in-depth and well done. I often think this is a core feature of Star Trek, the action and fight scenes come along so sparingly that they are more rewarding when they do. A lot of other modern sci-fi I often find myself getting burnt out on the constant hand-to-hand and laser battles.

Dean

Qapla!

Dean

It introduces an interesting question involving clones generally with the idea of inheritance and bloodline rights and whatnot. When familial ties are of such importance to the Klingons, does any clone have the rights to the original’s title or belongings and where would that right fall in the line of descendants? In our world, imagine if like a clone of King Henry VIII popped up; would he have rights to the British throne? Would such a claim mess with the order of succession?

Bobby Coolbreeze

I always love the Klingon episodes. We dive deeper into their culture and history. Gowron is great in this episode, he does his famous gowron eyes lol. As for Worf we see his struggle to find who he is as he tests his Klingon faith. To me this is another classic episode.

Charles

This sort of thing can get out of hand: "The Taiping Rebellion (1850-1864) was a devastating Chinese civil war, considered the bloodiest in history, with estimates of 20 to 30 million deaths, led by Hong Xiuquan, who claimed to be the younger brother of Jesus."

Over50Gamer

Making one's wheels turn is what good Trek episodes do best. When I first saw this episode, I was head-deep in Christianity. Fast-forward so many years later and I'm now an agnostic, so you can just imagine how my thoughts are on this one. I know faith can be a very powerful thing and some people really feel the need to believe in something greater than themselves, but faith can also be devastating to oneself and others if we're not careful to balance it out with reason. My faith is in science and I appreciate that Worf kept his head and picked up a tricorder. Faith is a great thing to have but we should also, at some point, question everything we can because it's necessary.

Slate

Not to start anything, but you do know there's a difference between science and naturalism, right? And also, science is fluid, as theories and hypotheses are always changing, and their interpretations can be colored by one's biases. Results can be skewed, experiments done badly or for the wrong reasons, etc. Don't be too quick to trust it. When done right and done honestly, it's fine and a useful thing, but it shouldn't be seen as the be all end all, either, or uses to advance an agenda. One should be willing to accept scientific findings that contradict one's views, if one is truly open. Lastly, believe it or not, God is far more comfortable with our doubts than we are. That's all I wanted to say, and I wish you well.

Slate

You do know that the vast majority of giving to the needy, to charities, etc. is done by religious people, people of faith, don't you? Atheism violates its own precepts by being completely reliant on an assumption it can never empirically measure or verify - the supposed absence of God. There are literally hundreds of different factors in astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, etc. that had ALL be exactly right for life to be possible here - things such as distance from the sun, size of the Earth, age of the sun, position of our solar system relative to the center of the galaxy, position of our galaxy in relation to others, the existence of plate tectonics, a stable water system, and hundreds more. The odds of all of that happening completely by chance are so infinitesimally small as to be basically impossible. Which leads to the necessity of a Creator. The big bang that formed the universe was basically an explosion, but the catalyst for an explosion never comes from what is exploding. It's always an outside factor - temperature, heat, etc. Which means that what caused the big bang had to have come from outside it. Outside the universe. Again, this requires a Creator to ignite the singularity. And it's been mathematically and scientifically proven that millions of dimensions exist. If quantum physics tells us that a subatomic particle can be in two places at once and move at two different velocities at the same time, is it really so hard to believe in a higher being capable of existing in a similar state but on an exponentially greater level? I don't think so.

Slate

You sound like a bitter atheist. I don't understand the appeal of wearing a label describing what you are not.

Over50Gamer

You kinda misread me, I think. I didn't say one should completely trust science; i did say one should question things and that includes scientific results, but that is what peer-review is for. I've always been a skeptic, and that's served me well. Anyways, thank you.

The Star Treker (aka Michael)

Oh dang, I didn't realize it was your birthday—happy birthday, Jen! 🎉 Hope it was a great one. Mine's coming up soon too, on the 18th—April birthdays for the win! 😄 I always love a good Klingon episode, especially when Worf's in the thick of it, and watching your reactions just makes it even better. Qapla' and much love! 😊🖖❤

Opti_Frog

Like non-profit, nondescript, non-binary or any of a hundred words that describes what something is not? "Atheist" is not really a label for me, simply a descriptor, and not even the exact one. I'm not surprised you read my text with a bitter voice in your head, because you're probably likely to think that's the default for non-believers. There isn't much i can do about that.

Opti_Frog

Slate, that is a long post of obfuscations and lies that have been refuted time and time again, and not an answer to my question. I don't play that game. You are welcome to try again.

scott osborne

happy birthday jen In Klingon mythology, Sto'Vo'Kor, the afterlife is for honored warriors, is more akin to a hall of eternal battle and honor