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🖖Star Trek DS9 2x8 Full + Watch-Along (Patreon)

Published:
2025-07-04 00:32:15
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2026-03-25 01:09:50
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2x8 Necessary Evil

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This week we get a thoughtful episode that looks back at the Cardassian occupation of DS9 and how Kira and Odo met. I am really enjoying the layers that are being added to these characters! Engage! 🖖

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Comments

Fanchman

Welcome back! Congratulations on your beautiful baby boy.

HeWhoLooksSkyward

Just before Kira admits to Odo that she killed him, she explained that the murder victim was a collaborator reporting directly to Gul Dukat. He was trying to distance himself from the investigation so as not to spook the other collaborators (who were busy passing him information about the Resistance). Hence, the reason he tapped Odo for the investigation was to keep his own hands clean.

Andrew Roach

Welcome back. So did you go with Kirk, Picard or Sisko for your new son's first name... While Rom is slow in many ways remember he did pick that lock in under 10 seconds and easily got that wall tile off. Even Quark was shocked by this. Yes the timeline does work well. It was just a little over a year when the series started and at that point the Cardassians had just left. When Sisko and Co. arrived the station was in shambles. I believe this is a well loved episode and seeing the past so well portrayed was great.

Sykonee

I've always felt this was the episode that truly started the expansion of the DS9 universe beyond whatever might be happening on the station (and sometimes Bajor) any given week. Yeah, we've heard stories and testimonies about what life was like during the Occupation, but this time we got a hefty serving of Show rather than Tell. Not only that, but seeing just how morally ambiguous the writers could potentially push these characters, should they be so bold.

Nathan Burgess

So happy to see you back Jen. This episode shows why Odo was allowed to stay in Security when Bajor took over from the Cardassians, Odo didn't work against the resistence he investigated murders. He could have easily turned Kira in for the crime she admitted (bombing) but he was only looking into the murder. With this act Kira trusted Odo as a man of his word, while she lied to Odo, at the time Odo didn't know this, and he kept his word, he would only report the murderer. As for the timeline, Kira lived her entire life in a brutual occuption, she will never fully recover from what she witnessed and the terrible acts she committed in opposing the regime. The best Bajorians can hope for is some happiness, especially for the next generation to make their past suffering a little more bearable. "It's complicated" is really the DS9 motto.

Banes

Welcome back and congrats again. Didn't expect to see you so soon. Delighted!

Curran Dobbs

Odo mentioned he hadn't been working for the Cardassians for over a year (which is roughly how long the Federation has been there). Also, welcome back. I enjoyed this.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

I can't tell you how much I appreciate that your first uploads back from your time off is Star Trek🖖Yay🖖 Congratulations, of course! And please do make sure you feel up to recording before jumping right back in, J. We appreciate your dedication. I like this one. A little noir-ish, some character development and backstory. Both Odo/RA and Kira/NV are starting to string together some really strong scenes, both individually as well as together. A very solid ep in my opinion.

John DiGiantomasso

So delighted to see you back! And as much as it pains me to say this, I want you to spend time getting to know your new little man. Even if that means spending less time with me, and all of us. Congratulations. Your life will never be the same.

Nate Gavin

Welcome back! And to one of the better episodes of this season (imho). The writing on this show sparkles - character and plot development is restrained yet revelatory, rather than hurried to fit in clumsily within the confines of a typical programmed episode on network tv.

William Rosmer

Generally unless a tv show makes a point of it a season is about a year.

Tom Evans

Welcome back mama Murray! I really like this episode's film noir vibe with Odo as the classic hard-boiled detective. They did a great job of making the DS9 sets look completely different in the flashbacks to its Terok Nor days.

Bammer

Welcome back Jen and congratulations!

Banes

I had the same reaction hearing the station was fully Cardassian occupied only a year ago. It seems like it should be longer. You seem a little different...more relaxed I'd say. It must be a relief to have the pregnancy over with and the little guy there to enjoy!

Kevin Sommerfield

It's been about a year since the Cardassian occupation ended, but FIVE years since the events of the flash back in this episode. It was stated in the flashback that Odo had been visited by Gul Dukat in the lab where he was kept two years earlier, which by my reckoning makes it seven years since Odo met Gul Dukat for the first time. Not trying to be a pedant, I just like to keep track of the time lines as best as I can, and I think you like to too. Thanks for the reaction!

Thegonagle

William, Geordi, Miles, Julian, Jake, Data, Nog, Hugh?

Lee

Before the Federation arrived to manage the station, it was called Terok Nor. This episode has always been a favorite of mine. Tom Evans already noted the film noir vibe, and I love how well it's executed here. The first scene's coversation with Quark and the femme fatale Vaatrik Pallra is a perfect example of the sort of dialogue found in film noir: clever, quick, snappy, with plenty of subtext and innuendo to suggest things unseen and unspoken. I also love the conceit that the Federation compelled Odo to record a daily log, which is a great set-up for his narration throughout the episode, another film noir staple of the beleaguered protagonist trying to make sense of a mystery. Odo figured out exactly why Dukat enlisted him as investigator: "He had to stay as far away from this incident as he could, so as not to endanger his network of Bajoran sympathizers." Actor trivia: Katherine Moffat (Mrs. Vaatrik) previously appeared in the TNG episode "The Game" as the alien woman that met Riker on Risa and introduced him to the nifty little device that almost allowed her to take control of the Enterprise. Moffat clearly had a talent for playing duplicitous characters.

Desmond

You touch on a lot of things here that will definitely be explored much more as you continue on the show.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Odo did indeed mention a reason why Dukat wanted him on the case. (No worries, there's is a lot going on in these episodes sometimes especially for first time viewers.) It was so that he could keep himself plausibly distant from the Bajoran collaborators. I think we've already had mention of Odo working for the Cardassians as security chief (1x4 A Man Alone) so it seems like this was the job that got him the permanent gig.

Vina

The scene where Odo is on Bajor talking to the woman in her house and is about to leave, then says "Oh, there's one more thing..." is a fun nod to Columbo, a really famous tv show about an LAPD homicide investigator staring Peter Falk, which aired in the 70s and a couple years in the late 80s. Though not as well known these days most people watching DS9 when it aired would have gotten the reference.

Rob Nichols

"Are Ferengis good in bed?" In all the Trek conversations I've had over the years that question has never come up 🤣 Welcome back Jen.

Summer

So glad you are back! (As for Dukat remember Ted Bundy-and maybe even jack the rippeer-were charming)

Julian San

Hearing Jen talk about Dukat during and after the episode was hilarious. It’s giving me some strong Season 7, Episode 9 vibes 🤣

Patrick

I reckon Quark is deep down a sub.

Opti_Frog

I've never been fond of Noir but i have to say that it fits DS9 pretty well.

Joel

I always thought that even the Cardassians never really trust each other either, so Dukat really COULDN'T use one of his own people for the investigation, it would put his shadow network of collaborators at risk of being blackmailed by another Cardassian officer, and maybe even putting his own position as prefect in danger.

Mark Chrisco

Odo was saying it had been a year since the Cardassian withdrawal

ParallaxNick

This is the episode that convinced me that not only could DS9 be a good Trek show, it could be the best Trek show. And I was pretty much alone at the time. People forget how hated this show was when it came out.

ParallaxNick

To clarify: the events in the episode are stated as having occurred five years ago, and the occupation ended four years after that. In later episodes we do see Odo in his role as security chief before the end of the occupation, with Gul Dukat still in charge.

Bobby Coolbreeze

Another strong character driven episode. The show thrives on that grey area of what is right and what is wrong. Kira and Odo’s relationship is one of the highlights of this show. This is first Trek show where we get a lot of conflict between the main character. The acting is superb. Kira shines as she brings more vulnerability to her character. Already she is such a strong character, but you can see how her past affects her and her relationships going forward. The more I rewatch this show, i start to realize how good some of these episodes really were!

TC Green

“Are Ferengi good in bed?” No joke, there is lore about Gene Roddenberry cornering a writer on TNG in the early days and spending over an hour explaining how Ferengi get down.

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Flashbacks with some fun transitions, I believe a first for a Star Trek show. I think part of the reason I really like this episode, compared to some of the TNG Dixon Hill stuff, is that instead of using the Holodeck story device to get us to a very noir style universe is that it's just Star Trek told in a very noir way, especially for one featuring Odo and his crime solving abilities. Odo's logs starting off as this very bored recitation and then becoming like these overwrought pages from a detective novel is just really, really fun. Aside from the transitions it also really starts to remind me more of other sci-fi fantasy teen dramas from the 90s and 00s, shows like Firefly, Buffy, Angel, etc in that it takes what should be, and is, a fun, kinda silly, way of telling a story and simultaneously dropping some heavy themes and important character development. Just really, really good stuff.

RSK1995

I think it was mentioned in past episodes that Deep Space 9 used to be a Cardassian space station and Cardassian technology built by Bajoran slaves and formerly known as Terok Nor.

Clay F

One of my favorite S2 episodes. The present/past dichotomy is integrated well. Did get more background, as you noted. As discussed in the episode, the guy killed was the main Bajoran contact for Gul Dukat w/the Bajoran collaborators -- that's why Gul Dukat did not want to be involved -- and apparently Odo was a good (logical) choice to be the investigator.

Clay F

I liked DS9 S1/S2 from the beginning when it aired. I guess I was a minority too.

Clay F

I like noir (neo-noir).

Paul Sophocleous

The flashbacks took place in the year 2370, which was the year TNG season 2 was taking place.

Summer

TNG season 1 2364, season 2 2365, season 3 2366, season 4 2367, season 5 2368, season 6 2369 and season 7 2370, DS9 season 1 2369 this is when the Cardassians withdraw from Bajor completely though some of the withdrawl may have begun 2367 as peace came between the Federation and Cardassia, coincidence, I think not

Marcus Hicks

Definitely one of my favourite Season 2 episodes. One little piece of trivia, Jen. As Odo is leaving Mrs Vaatrick's house, he turns back and says "oh, just one more thing....". This is an homage to Columbo, a TV detective who used that phrase all the time to rattle suspects. I highly recommend you watch the entire series at some point-either on your own time or as a reaction.

Marcus Hicks

I got the reference immediately, as Columbo was a favourite show of mine back in the 80s & 90s (re-runs, obviously).