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What A Cartoon! - Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes "New Avengers" (Patreon)

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2020-07-20 04:00:00
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2026-06
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Our premium patron Royce wanted us to talk about easily the best Avengers cartoon, Earth's Mightiest Heroes! Created just as Disney took over Marvel, we talk about the show's genesis, the team of comic and Batman veterans producing it, and the complicated cancellation of the series. Then we discuss the late season 2 episode "New Avengers" which has its own comic history to dig through. So assemble and listen now, true believers!

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Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

This might be a hot take, but for my money this show is the best Marvel cartoon they've ever produced. Needless to say I was super excited when this showed up on the July schedule. I watched most of the first season back when it first aired but fell off before the ending and didn't get back to it until a few years later on Netflix, picking up where I left off from. For the past week or so I've been watching it again from the start (I'm on 2x03 at the time this was posted, but skipped ahead to New Avengers so I can listen whenever) and it holds up really well. While its tendency to translate a variety of comic storylines isn't new territory for a Marvel cartoon (X-Men TAS did that for nearly every episode), I really appreciate that it also has excellent character designs and good animation where people ACTUALLY FIGHT and it doesn't look dirt cheap. It's a really great exploration of the Marvel Universe, though the first season sticks to the core roster pretty closely while season 2 adds in others, and it's nice to revisit a Marvel show with heart to it, given what's airing these days. Avengers Assemble is such an inferior follow-up to this with generic voice acting and He-Man levels of "there are 2 body types" in its designs. Though some of this voice cast tries to mimic the MCU a bit too much (i.e. Tony) it has some really good performances overall. I'd have to say the stand-outs are probably Lance Henrikson as Grim Reaper and Jeffery Combs as the Leader, both of whom recur a lot in the first season. Interested to hear what you guys think of the show, but I think anyone that fun with this episode and hadn't really watched the show should give it a shot.

Frank Grimes

Nice sidebar on the ownership of the marvel IP's...what has always confused me is the Hulk. I have some vague understanding that Universal has (some?) rights, but unlike Sony, it seems they don't need to constantly make movies in order to keep it. Do they get money every time Hulk is used? Did they get a piece of that Billion from Endgame? I suppose if that's true, I'd keep the rights but not bother with movies if I would still get "free" money out of it by having Marvel Studios use the character.

ShyRanger

Pardon my tangent, but Henry's discussion about why non Disney-owned Marvel characters could show up in this made me think of video games. The first LEGO Marvel Superheroes game had an amazing array of Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men characters along with many supports because it came out before Guardians of the Galaxy and so many other things, so they needed a ton of characters. But by the time Superheroes 2 came out the Fantastic Four and X-Men weren't in that game at all because there were many more movies and shows to pull from. That game is still good, but it bummed me out they cared more about relevant characters than variety even though they could've done it. And the less said about going form Marvel vs. Capcom 3 to Infinite the better.

Matt Bixler! Hello!

I don't have much to contribute, but I lost my mind listening to that opening theme

Alex Irish

Funny coincidence this episode aired on my birthday, the same weekend that I attended NYCC that year. I wasn’t watching Marvel cartoons then (or hadn’t seen one since X-Men in the 90s), and I don’t remember seeing anything of it at the Con.

ShyRanger

Oh Henry, when you mentioned Jeph Lobe's comics work, don't forget, he also wrote Ultimatum, which even me as a non-Marvel fan, constantly heard it being considered one of the worst Marvel things ever for a while.

nina matsumoto

I thought I had never seen this series but I just remembered an embarrassing incident.... I watched one ep then posted a screencap of Captain America on Twitter saying: "checked out one of the Avengers cartoons and I -think- Cap has a cleft chin, but the line goes up to his lip so it looks more like a seam. I spent the whole episode being extremely distracted by this strange character design choice." Then Thomas Perkins, a talented artist and character designer for the show who turned out to be one of my followers, replied "It is an animation error. It was not intended to look like that." That was when I realized that I need to kinder and more careful when it comes to criticizing cartoons (and comics and games) because with my Twitter visibility, there's a high chance someone who worked on it will see my tweet. Like this one time, this podcaster I follow on Twitter posted one of my artworks and...

littleterr0r

The Thing is a real Gus from Mission Hill.

eddiegiantman

I made the leap to sub on the Pateron just because I needed to listen to this early. While I am irked this ep isn't about the main team, it's still one of the best episodes of the series and it just burns my beans that Loeb undid this just to milk off the Avengers film and later on, doing his own line of cartoons that never measured up to this and Spectacular Spider-Man. At least Loeb TV plans are over after the disastrous 2017 when Defenders, Iron Fist and Inhumans all tanked and was likely why Feige took over. Also, a huge chunk of the voice cast from this show showed up in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. This show got me more into Wasp, Hawkeye, Hulk, Ant-Man and Black Panther. Hope you guys do a follow up down the line (and maybe Dirty Pair...and Arthur. Maybe when I'm a better spot money wise, I'll jump to 50 tier.) Also forgot to add, I think Yost pitched a Hulk show and a Thor show and it morphed into EMH. There was a lot of rejected Marvel toon pitches that never became shows.

David Prosper

I found out about this show in a very backwards way; I was looking up the artist from one of my favorite old comics (Tim Eldred, who did the glorious Eternity Comics Captain Harlock series) and had the worry that he somehow hadn't picked up much work since. Lo and behold hes one of the key people on the show, even directing a few episodes as well as being a main storyboard artist. Which, given his style, makes sense: he has a very distinct style, sort of an early American/Japanese merger, and the characters here look very much like his style. So I was excited to find a fun Avengers show and because an old favorite was involved! I shoudl ahve known he had tons of outside-comics work, since one issue of Captain Harlock was almost late because, as he said in the letters section, "I was almost late because I had a last minute request to do up some illustrations for revisions tot he design for the International Space Station" (!). Funny enough his early comics were all adaptions of cartoons to comics books (he did some great work on their Robotech series, too) so it just makes perfect sense that he does animation now.

ToonJay723

Out of all the Marvel cartoons that came out in the Disney era, I think the Big Hero 6 series is the best out of all of them, and that's not done by Marvel Animation, it's done by Disney Television Animation by the co-creators of Kim Possible and Buzz Lightyear of Star Command (Bob Schooley & Mark McCorkle) and the director of season 2 of American Dragon (Nick Fillipi). And there's another Marvel show from Disney TVA by Laurence Fishburne, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur which also looks more interesting than what Marvel Animation is making.

eddiegiantman

And now hearing how Loeb cut The Hands plot from Daredevil and said no one cares about Asian people, I think it's fair to say Loeb is more shitty than we thought.

mavrick

I paid $70 for that Avengers sega game. SEVENTY. DOLLARS. in early 90s money. frickin crazy