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Welcome to the season premiere of TalKing of the Hill Season 2 Part 1! This week, we're covering King of the Hill's gun episode—which could have ended up "very special,"  but it's 1997 and the show takes place in Texas. Listen in and find out where to find the children's guns section in your local superstore, how to fit into a father/son poncho, and the amount of points you lose by blowing away an entire picnicking family. Thanks again for your support, and look forward to another great miniseries!

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Frank Grimes

One of my favorite episodes of the series

Paul

Ooh if you want to check out How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying there's a broadway musical version starring I think John Larroquette and Daniel Radcliffe and it is delightful. I'm sure there's a video recording out there in the net. The cast recording at least is easy to find on any music streaming service. PS When you said the frinkiac of KotH should be Propaniac, I instinctively interrupted by shouting "Propane Maniacs!"

Thad Komorowski

I *reeeeallly* need to use any significant downtime to finally watch KotH in a meaningful way. I've enjoyed any episode I've seen and I certainly enjoyed this podcast. Did crack a smile at Bob's panning of The Office post-wedding (mostly because I agree). I do have to say that Office Ladies is the model recap podcast, though, and some episodes, like the very recent one for "Dinner Party", are a certain kind of perfect.

mavrick

where did you get that chiptunes Mangione?!

Thad Komorowski

Also, someone needs to strongarm an apology out of Mike Reiss for that “Hank is Homer with glasses” faux pas. Even someone like me who was a casual watcher knows that’s beyond a fucking lie.

nina matsumoto

Sorry but it's Paul Lieber-STEEN not STINE. Learned that from Office Ladies, which is an excellent podcast and highly recommended to anyone who likes the Office and the Talking Simpsons format. Angela actually said on one of the eps, "I was on King of the Hill once! And I still remember my line: 'we don't sell toy guns, on account of: they're dangerous'." Which I thought was odd because that line isn't in this ep, but now I know it was deleted/changed. So excited to have TalKing of the Hill back. I used to visit Texas a lot, so this ep really made me miss the Dallas State Fair (where I saw Big Tex and consumed many fried things).

Mark Henderson

You spoke too soon about mass shootings. Is this like the celebrity death jinx?

RVG

Two things: I hope someday Fire & Ice will come up as a What A Cartoon movie. I know you don't really want to, but much like your severely underrated Thundarr the Barbarian episode, it's a case of a bunch of incredibly talented people coming together to make something that's just pure garbage. It is sooooo well animated for sooooo little pay off. Also Bakshi fascinates me as a sort of anti-George Lucas: a man with tons of talent but only terrible ideas to explore with it. Secondly, I didn't read Hank losing interest in bonding with Bobby over sports as disappointment in his son because he lacks athleticism, but rather disappointment in himself for his own inability as a mentor. Speaking as a father myself, I feel like the real bonding activity is, as your child improves, it bolsters their confidence and opens them up to the idea that lots of avenues are available to them if they push themselves a bit, so you're there to keep encouraging them. Hank is failing Bobby in exactly the same way Cotton failed him. The only difference is that where Cotton employs abuse, Hank retreats to neglect. Bobby "ain't right" because Hank won't meet him where he's at or encourage his interests. In that sense, Hank really is Homer with glasses: a guy who received abusive parenting and neglects his fatherly duties as a result.

I.C. Weiner

So excited for TalKing of the Hill to be back. I have so much I want to say about this episode as it really speaks to me. For example: I started hunting in the second grade with my dad, and on one of the trips my dad fired his shotgun at a bird flying over my head, aimed to low, a pellet hit my hand holding a shotgun causing me to drop the shotgun, and I got yelled at for dropping the gun. But, I do want to highlight two of my favorite jokes from this episode that went uncommented on. 1. Hank telling Bobby to listen because he won't repeat himself is Hank's instructions on turning on the safety (the mechanism preventing the trigger from being pulled). 2. I have always interpreted the pre-owned bullets line not that Dale is running a scam, but that Dale is reusing spent casings and reassembling bullets, but Hank doesn't trust Dale to do that safely.

Paul

Something that I just realized because of the "Homer with glasses" comment. Peggy is often short for Margaret. Conceivably somebody might call Peggy Marge! Of course Marge is short for Marjorie in the Simpsons, but Marge is an acceptable name for either!

Joe Hodgson

From my experience, most northern states can be described as "The South of the North," when it comes to guns as it's just the big cities where the population becomes more liberal and anti-gun. Most of my extended family is from the suburbs of Boston and many are gun-owning hunters. I grew up in New Hampshire and my dad got me a .22 when I was 9. We only used it recreationally at the old family hunting camp, but I did have a lot of fun just shooting paper targets or small objects like milk caps and such. I was only ever around hunting rifles and shotguns though as that was where my dad's interest was. For him, his gun was just a necessary tool for hunting. And as a video game loving millennial myself, I was pretty terrible at sports and other father-son activities so hunting was my method of bonding with my dad for years. I mostly liked duck hunting, possibly due to years of playing Nintendo, but I haven't gone in years and I don't know if I ever will again. I don't know if I want my kids to get into it, but I guess I won't discourage them if it's a pursuit they find on their own. Anyway, good to have King of the Hill back! Now I have a reason to revisit Season 2 again after doing it previously in anticipation of this podcast, but Mission Hill kind of messed that up (in a good way).

Andrew Giachetti

The need for a king of the hill frinkiac cannot be understated. I’ve had to save two self-made gifts from king of the hill on my phone because of how much I use them and how impossible they were to find. One is from the parent teacher meeting in which the guy says “pie in the sky after school programs, all I hear is my property taxes going up” and ted wassanason saying “and if not, why not?”

Kat Heagberg

This feels like the right place to share that about a year and a half ago, when it was still safe and normal to attend in-person events, I attended a friend’s book launch party and he was like, “Kat, please meet my friend Paul Lieberstein,” and I was like “OF ‘KING OF THE HILL’?!” And every single person in earshot was like “um . . . really, you went there first?” Including probably Paul Lieberstein himself, and my brain was just like “ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT BILL,” but my social anxiety and fear of annoying celebrities was just like “hi, Paul, I’m going to get a vegan crab cake now, bye,” but I feel like everyone reading this would understand, and also Nina is correct about pronunciation.

Lockerus

This makes me wish that KotH was available for streaming anywhere in Canada. It’s not even on the Apple Store! Also I think Cotton was setting Hank up to fail in his childhood shooting lesson. You gotta keep both eyes open when shooting!

Gayest Episode Ever

Does Cotton support Bobby because he consciously knows that it will wound Hank? Does Cotton like Bobby because Bobby clearly favors Cotton’s side of the family, whereas Hank favors Hank’s mom, whom Cotton hates?

Jay Gironimi

Had a moment when this showed up in the feed where I was like “holy shit, I forgot that’s a season 2 episode”. It makes sense on analysis, but it’s a testament to how solid the foundation of this show was from the beginning.

Brian Hortin

Growing up in Kentucky I somehow didn’t run into gun culture too much. I did have a couple of high school friends that the last time I spoke to them each owned dozens of firearms, and I wouldn’t be shocked if at least one of them have since started or joined a militia. Other than that I did have one coworker in Kentucky that was an avid hunter. As far as I know he did eat what he killed, so I didn’t really have any big issue with him like I would with a trophy hunter. One thing that I did pick up on talking to him that I always found funny and telling was that he called hunting harvesting. Like going out and shooting a deer was the same as picking a tomato. Self-delusion I guess; harvesting does seem to be a preferred term for hunting enthusiasts. That industry/group also likes to call assault rifles “modern sporting rifles”; marketing is pretty dark sometimes.

Joey Joe Joe Shabadoo

I don't know if this is what they were going for. But Hank dismissing the Wallace Shawns character for working for the Cowboys that season may be related to Hank's age. My dad, and many other Texans Hanks age that I now work with say they stopped being Cowboys fans the day that Jerry Jones fired former coach Tom Landry. Landry was a big deal to Texan Cowboys fans and seeing as how Bobby's high school is named after him makes me think that's what they were referring to. They won the "big game" the previous year so maybe they could have been referring to making the playoffs as a disappointment. But either way I think Hank would have probably had a big soft spot for Landry.

Aaron Kilgallon

So happy TalKing of the Hill is back! I know this wouldn't really fit the whole animation requirement of this network, but Henry saying 24 is the highest number makes me want Talking Show with Bob and Henry

Stew Shearer

Episodes like these always get to me. My Dad and I have always cared about each other, but we couldn't be more different when it comes to tastes and interests. We never shared anything like this and I just find myself feeling sadder as I grow older and realize that we probably never will. It at least makes me make sure I do better with my own children.

katie lamont

This episode reminds me of going shooting with my dad in the early 90s. My dad said I could go shooting and have my own chipmunk rifle (small 22) if I could read the gun safety pamphlet. Which I was able to successfully memorize at the age of 6. We use to go to a creepy range in the basement of a gun store weekly. I mainly went to get candy out of the vending machine and on the hope that we'd stop at Bi-Mart and I'd get a new Barbie dress. I remember always begging my dad for a Saddam Hussain gun target, but his rule was that targets couldn't have people on them. FYI, I grew up in Yakima, WA, but I now live in the South (North Carolina).

Larry Franklin

I haven't seen it mentioned but Wallace Shawn in the rainbow wig is a parody of a guy, Rollen Stewart, who would position himself in high profile shots in sporting events during the 1970s and 1980s wearing a rainbow wig and holding a John 3:16 sign. His story . . . does not end well.