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Talking Simpsons - Principal Charming With Drew Mackie (Patreon)

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2021-09-22 04:00:03
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We welcome back once again our pal Drew Mackie from the great Gayest Episode Ever Podcast for a look back an episode full of Homersexuals! Drew helps us navigate the complex love lives of Patty & Selma, not to mention Principal Skinner's own proclivities, plus we deconstruct the first appearance of Groundskeeper Willie, and so much more. So grab some tater tots and listen along!

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Tyler The Destroyer

This is the first instance I can think of with an animated show that has a character actually say the words “hard pack” in reference to cigarettes as somebody who worked in a convenient store for over a year that felt very real to me!

Andrew Giachetti

I haven't made a comment on the show in quite some time (life) but I can provide some more insight on Selma's earrings. I checked frinkiac to confirm and while those specific "S" earrings may not show back up, they do make a refernce to specific "SB" earings in a later simpsons episode, Wedding for Disaster (S20E15). The gist of this episode is that Rev Lovejoy actually wasn't ordained when performing Marge and Homer's second ceremony, so technically their still divorced, so they decide to "do the wedding right" this time. What starts out as a bridezilla episode eventually devolves into a saw parody, in which Selma and Patty torture homer in a Saw room. While Bart and Lisa try to track down Homer, the clue they come across is a pair of "SB" earrings. However, this leads them to sideshow bob, who turns out was watching director's commentaries and spooning for warmth in a cabin with Krusty (they make a point to say they were spooning for warmth), but because sideshow bob is smart, he tell's them the earrings are actually Selma's. Whether these earrings came back as a reference to the original "S" earrings or if its just a cheap pretense for a sideshow bob misdirect, its hard to say, but the "S" earrings for Selma do come back somewhat in a "modern" simpsons episode.

Alex mitchell

Great show as always guys, when you were questioning why Homer thinks Skinner is a possible homer sexual, isnt this because as far as Homer is aware Skinner called Moe's asking for/trying to find a Homer Sexual? That's how I've always read it anyway..

Joe Hodgson

The portrayals of Skinner and Patty at the onset of the episode either intentionally or unintentionally shines a light on the stereotype of both of them and the inherent hypocrisy contained in those stereotypes. A single, older, man with seemingly no romantic inclinations would be read as possibly gay, while a similar situation for a woman was more commonly coded as celibacy. It feels like it wasn't uncommon to know women like that, I certainly had some aunts and teachers in my life in that situation, even one who lived with her non-twin sister. Of course, any of them could have been closeted lesbians, but I never encountered that speculation at the time. It was certainly easy to retcon though for future plots and jokes, though like Henry, I've never really known what to make of Skinner's apparent eagerness at making a pass at his commanding officer. I'm surprised it's never been followed up on in recent episodes. I'll come to the defense of cherry cordials. I think they're fine, though I would never buy them for myself. They were the favorite candy of my papa and my grandmother would always make sure there would be a box in his stocking at Christmas time, as that's really the only time of year I ever notice them in stores. When she passed away, I made sure to get him a box at Christmas the last few years of his life so whenever I see them in a store it makes me think of him.

Bryan Field

For what it's worth, the way that I tell Patty and Selma apart (and I am also an identical twin who is particularly sensitive about being constantly called the wrong name while growing up) is that if I imagine Selma's head turned on its side, her hair has a split that reminds me of how a capital "S" would look like if it were made of hair (two lobes with a split). Capital S = Selma. It's a little silly, but this is how I think of it.

Shaxbert

Excellent as always, though all that cherry cordials hate almost caused me to stop the 'cast and mark it as played- and it usually takes a Manscaped ad to do that. Guess I just love bad candy!

Alex Forsyth

Holiday chocolate is such a scam. Here have a box of chocolates 80% filled with crap nobody likes and you have to risk getting called out for going to the bottom layer before the top layer is gone to get a just plain milk chocolate one.

hrhomer

Drew said he had a reach-around just as the break happened, and it was never revisited!

Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

Welcome back Drew! Awesome guest as always. -- It really is interesting the journey that Patty has gone through over the years, and the point made about how the acceptance of (a certain brand of) gay people in the 2000s was still filled to the brim with transphobia since that was now still morally acceptable. I'm both awaiting and dreading "There's Something About Marrying." I think it might actually be the most offensive episode of the show (at least that I've seen)?

PittyParty

"You're listening to Talking Simpsons, the podcast that does not advocate the cool crime of murdering your grandmother."

Dylan

I only know the inchworm song from an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where Robert sings it to a baby Also I never heard anybody say jeezum crow until I moved to Maine, I always figured it was a New England thing

Andrew Bouvier

I love that Henry touched upon the "Geezum Crow" exclamation by Patty, (more commonly spelled Jeezum Crow and, sometimes, Jeesum Crow) because it feels very odd to me that Patty would say it. I'm from Vermont and it's relatively common to hear that here, but not much elsewhere, especially 30 years ago. As far as I can tell, and a few places seem to confirm this, Jeezum Crow is a saying that almost certainly originated in the early 20th century somewhere in either northern NY or Vermont (https://www.waywordradio.org/jeezum-crow/) as a way to essentially say "Jesus Christ" but without taking the lord's name in vein, which would have been very important to the predominantly Catholic population of this area. I know that the writer of this ep, David M. Stern is not from this region, so I have to wonder if one of the staff writers at the time doing the re-writes was, because it's very odd that they would know the expression otherwise. I also did a search on Frinkiac for all spelling variations, and the expression shows up at least once more, in an episode Bob and Henry will get to soon... Simpsons Tall Tales. It's said when the Homer-as-Paul-Bunyon baby is born by Abe.

Graeme Black Robinson

I always read the cherry cordials as something Bart just came up with on the spot, or as a prank on Skinner. Why would Bart know what his aunt's favourite candy is and be able to recite it to Skinner without missing a beat? And considering Patty's apathy upon receiving them, I just assumed that Bart was wrong. And Henry, if you're ever in Toronto (once we start letting Americans cross the border again, I guess), the CN Tower has a revolving restaurant you can try. Great views of the city, not just because it's the tallest building in the country, but also because you can't see the ugliest building in the city, which is of course the CN Tower itself.

To Boldly Joe... Moore

Great podcast as always, guys! ^_^ I love, love, LOVE this episode. I remember it being the very first one I ever watched on Sky TV in the UK (no more renting/buying VHS versions for our family!) It was also the last episode broadcast on a Saturday evening in the one-episode-a-week schedule back then. The next week began the Sunday 6pm timeslot which became unmissable viewing for my family for years. Speaking of family, I think this was also the turning point for my dad on the show. Watching along with us, he was won over by how smart and full of references the show was, gearing it more towards an older audience with truly mature storytelling. This is truly classic Simpsons. Lots of broad jokes that kids will enjoy alongside well-crafted, emotional plots for adults (that kids can appreciate more as they get older). Thanks again for the podcast. It's so nice to see this show get the love it deserves.

John Harrison

This was a good episode on both ends. Drew is a great addition to the conversation.

Manic Rainbow

Awesome episode, and a great discussion. Tho I believe I do have a correction… yes the character in “as good as it gets” says the line “I think of a man. And I take away reason and accountability”. But I believe Brooks took that line from an interview with John Updike (a well known misogynist). It is fitting coming out of Nicholson’s character being that he is truly a pig.

Elliot Long

I actually used to work at the same company as the drummer for Looking Glass. Weirdly enough, he is an engineer now. I met him at the company holiday party. Nice guy.