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The short version:

My videos aren't on YouTube anymore, and won't be coming back. But you can still find them on Vimeo for free, without ads and with no signup required. I may add other places in the future.

My vimeo page is here: vimeo.com/vihart

I think it's easiest to find stuff in this collections view: https://vimeo.com/vihart/albums/sort:date/format:thumbnail

Y'all here on Patreon have been covering the cost of this every year for almost a decade, which is about $400 a year for a channel of my size. During this time Vimeo has been reliably hosting over one hundred of my videos without trouble or drama.

In the past couple months I've also uploaded the rest of my backlog, including the weird vihartvihart ones and others people have let me know were missing. There's 158 videos on there now, and I bet there's at least one you haven't seen before!

Thank you for your support in making all of this possible.

The medium version:

I don't agree to YouTube's current terms of service, and when you don't agree to a website's terms of service the only legal and correct response is to not do business with that website, right?

Even if that means deleting a YouTube channel with over one million subscribers that you've labored over for 15 years, right?

Right.

And so I've done that.

To be clear: my channel and 2nd channel are not hidden or dormant. They're permanently deleted.

I know many of you hope for a deeper explanation, because you're invested in this too. So let me do my best to describe what a 15 year partnership with YouTube is worth.

1. youtube.com/vihart, June 2009 - May 2025

I started my channel in 2009 and was first accepted into the YouTube partner program in 2010. I remember reading the terms of service back in those days, and as I recall, the terms made sense to me. YouTube can't legally show your videos on its website unless you grant it a license that applies in a number of situations. The license is non-exclusive, it's revokable, everything looked good.

What I cared most about was making sure I was still the one that owned my content. In my life I've been handed more than one agreement that tried to decide that everything I made belonged to someone else, and I don't sign those. But with YouTube, worst case I just take my stuff off the site.

Sounded simple enough, in 2010.

That year I was putting most of my effort into a math blog people seemed to like. I went to math and computer science conferences, wrote papers and presented them like a normal academic, and sometimes people even paid me to give talks about fun math topics to more general audiences.

That seemed like a promising direction at the time, and I made the bulk of my living off of speaking fees for a while. But I was struggling.

In late 2010 I posted the first few videos in the "Doodling in Math Class" series, which I thought would only be of interest to the niche academic audience of my blog, just like the other videos I'd posted since June 2009. I vastly underestimated how many people secretly like math whether they know it or not---the series took off and became my first viral success.

In those days 100k views was impressive enough to get me a profile in the New York Times. They wanted to send out a photographer to take a picture of me in my studio. I did not have a studio. They wanted to interview me in my studio. I still didn't have a studio. I recommended we meet over lunch at a local restaurant instead, and I don't know how it all turned out so well, but probably Kenneth Chang is good at his job.

This article was a big deal for me. It's not just the New York Times, it's my local paper---the one me and my family grew up reading and doing the crossword in, the one we wrapped our birthday presents in, the one that could turn into anything just by tearing it into strips and dipping it in a big bowl of flour and water to create home-made papier-mâché.

I know the sound and smell and feel of that paper. I remember learning to be snobby about the fact that inferior papers like Newsday were in color to try to appeal to the masses, but the Times was a classy and respectable paper that only printed serious news and only in black and white.

In 2010 I remember looking at that paper and, out of all the thoughts and feelings I had about this whole surreal experience, being glad that my photo was printed in proper black and white on page 3, not in garish color like the border collie that beat me to the front page of the technology section.

Times change. Numbers go up. Enough doors opened for me that I eventually found one I was interested in walking through, and in late 2011 I moved to Mountain View where I eventually found a successful career as a technology researcher.

I don't remember when I reached one million subscribers. 2014, maybe? By then I was over the YouTube numbers game to the point that I didn't even want the golden play button (a big, heavy award given out to channels that reach the 1M milestone). To this day, I never asked for it.

Numbers go up. It is now 2025, and yesterday I had 1.5M subscribers, 150M views, 150 videos.

Today I have zero views, zero subscribers, zero videos.

In the real world, numbers have limits.

People do too.

2. The Camel's Back Isn't Broken Yet, So Why Is It Getting Slower?

There's been a number of YouTube policies I've disagreed with over the years, but usually only to the point of lowering my investment of time and energy. The more hostile the platform feels, the less sense it makes to spend weeks or months of my life to create another video to feed to it.

For an early example, remember Google+? The social network Google tried to make be a thing back in 2011, because Google wanted a facebook competitor?

People didn't want to use it, so in 2013 they forced integration with YouTube to make people use it. You could temporarily refuse the integration pop-up dialogue box every time you entered your account, but in the mean time you couldn't moderate your channel, post comments, use analytics features, etc, until you gave in and connected the accounts. Or accidentally clicked on the popup.

By that point I'd been posting videos for years! How can I trust a platform when they repay such a long-term investment by leveraging it to try to force me to use a terrible social media platform destined to fail?

I didn't delete my channel over it, but it sure made YouTube feel like a less good place to be.

Most people aren't stubborn to the extreme where they will spend years doing the things you needed to do to avoid that particular tech integration, and I'm not recommending anyone be like me. I'm the kind of person who, if I were in charge of the Times, probably would've had it stubbornly printing in black and white until I ran it into the ground.

But in this case, I was vindicated. I held out until Google+ finally admitted failure in 2015 and ended the integration.

I watched its demise with grim satisfaction. I was prepared to hold out for the rest of my life, but I did not expect to win.

You know what? Scratch what I said earlier about the value of stubbornness. They should've put me in charge of the Times.

For another example, around that time TED decided they were the copyright holder of one of my videos. They started putting advertisements on that video and collecting the revenue. This was because someone showed that video in a TED Talk, and TED owns the TED Talk, therefore TED owns my video, according to the logic of YouTube's ContentID system.

Fighting off TED's false copyright claim didn't return me the revenue TED had taken while they were advertising on my video. They kept the money, as is standard whenever this happens. Fighting the claim just made it so that I could once again have that particular video be ad-free, and not let TED grab even more money.

Doesn't exactly make me want to post more often, but I wasn't gonna delete my channel over it. And my energy and peace is worth more to me than whatever pennies I could make trying to chase down TED to threaten legal action if they don't send me the ad money they took. I suppose it would've been within my rights to copyright claim TED's video in return, but I cannot begin to describe how wholly uninterested I am in playing that game.

Moving on to a more recent example of a policy disagreement, Google has sold/used my videos for AI, and I don't like that. This really shouldn't be considered legal under any interpretation of the terms of service, in my expert opinion as a mathematician and tech researcher who understands how AI works.

It's not something I would've agreed to if YouTube's intent was made explicit. It's content theft, and in this house we don't uncritically repeat propaganda about AI being a "legal grey area". It's really not, except for in the same way that every kind of theft is a legal grey area when you've got a good enough lawyer.

Maybe for a different me with a different channel, stealing my stuff for AI and trying to justify it with the terms of service would be one step too far. Maybe I would remove everything from YouTube out of principle. But I have higher principles, including that I want my videos available for free without ads where students and teachers can find them.

So that was one of many times I didn't delete my channel, but that I did lose another chunk of motivation to ever touch the platform again.

This is still only the medium-length version of my YouTube history, so we'll leave out almost everything. There's a ton of reasons why I never wanted to go full-time YouTuber, and a lot of them come down to the kind of person I am.

I'm an artist. I make what wants to be made. I care about where my work lives and breathes. I care about the people that live and breathe with it. There are things I'll compromise for money, but not that.

3. Real Partnerships

My experience with YouTube didn't stay online.

At the end of 2011 I moved to Mountain View to join Khan Academy. I coordinated with YouTube to help organize the first YouTube EDU Summit in 2012, and as part of that Khan Academy sponsored a contest to support new EDU creators, a couple of whom have gone on to become successful.

In 2014 I became a Principle Investigator at SAP Labs, and my team built the first web player for VR video. A team at Google became interested, and we were allowed to share all our code and designs and feedback, so we did. We later collaborated with that team on an industry event for spherical video at Vidcon 2015. In their words, my team was "instrumental in the launch and early success of 360 video on YouTube."

There's a lot of memories here, a lot of things that come to mind when I think about my relationship with YouTube/Google over the years. I've probably been to visit their offices in person at least a dozen times, and their employees have visited me at least as often, about these and other projects. These were actual partnerships, with people who care, working together toward common goals. I like almost everyone I've ever hung out with at YouTube and Google.

Meanwhile, on the YouTube platform, my status as a "YouTube Partner" is left up to an automated system that doesn't know anything about my actual history with the company. On YouTube, partnership feels like an adversarial relationship. Everyone is fighting against the algorithm, against demonetization, against changing policies, with no ability to negotiate.

I eventually drew away from YouTube pretty much entirely, both as an industry collaborator and for posting videos. But I'm proud of the videos I've made. I was content to let my backlog continue to exist where people could find it, and to simply not have to personally engage with the platform if I didn't want to. Maybe post once a year on Pi Day, maybe not.

Unfortunately, due to one of those many terms of service changes that happened over the years, my channel is not allowed to simply sit around remaining as it was.

4. Losing Partnership Status and "Monetization"

So here's the acute reason that I deleted my channel:

I got a notification last month that I needed to post within 30 days, or else YouTube would remove me as a partner.

This is more coercive than it might sound if you haven't kept up to date with the terms of service. Because partner status affects monetization status, and monetization doesn't mean what it used to mean.

In colloquial contexts, "monetization" and "demonetization" is used to describe whether a video has ads on it and is making ad money. Creators might also use "demonetized" to mean that a video has been claimed by another copyright holder who is now putting ads on the video and getting the ad revenue.

But at the channel level, "monetized" means the creator has any options regarding ads at all. If they choose ads, they have some control over the type of ads, and they split the revenue unevenly with YouTube.

The important thing is this: for a channel to NOT have ads, the channel needs to be monetized.

If a channel loses monetization, YouTube can put ads on it and take 100% of the revenue. For the creator that's functionally like having the entire channel be copyright claimed by Google.

In my case, having partnership status means I can monetize my channel into being ad-free. Losing partnership status means YouTube grabs monetization of my channel for itself. YouTube can put whatever ads it wants on my videos, taking all the revenue. I don't agree to that.

And it's happened to me before.

In 2023 I lost partnership status not because of lack of posts, but because I hadn't signed the latest update to the terms of service. Yep, my bad. I saw the email, said "I don't have time to read through this right now," and forgot about it.

When YouTube started putting ads on my channel, I didn't notice for months, until someone made a comment referencing an ad they'd seen on my video. I was confused, looked into it, and found out that a terms of service update in 2010 made it so that they could put ads on non-partnered channels. Which I now was. And because I had YouTube Premium and pay not to see ads, I couldn't see that for most people my own videos were covered in them.

Once I'd regained monetization, I decided not to take the ads down right away so that I could get some hard numbers on what the revenue looked like.

I now know that even without the view spike from posting new videos, and even without any other weird random algorithmic spikes, my channel can passively generate ad revenue in the low hundreds of dollars every month, split unevenly between myself and YouTube. If my channel were truly inactive, that's what I'd expect it to make.

But I had posted in that time. In fact, in order to be eligible to re-apply for partnership, I needed to post, and those spikes in views were monetized entirely by Google. From the data I got later, I estimate that in those months Google pulled in thousands of dollars advertising on my channel, and I didn't see a cent of it.

But even the $100 of a slow month isn't a throwaway amount of money. I can say no to it if the alternative is vampirizing the attention of thousands of students in a way that feels gross to me, but it's still $100. Enough that it would be a big deal to me if someone were taking it behind my back, and very much more so if they're doing that while selling my viewers' attention to the highest bidder.

Perhaps I could avoid being subjected to the next ad-grab by simply posting within the time limit, because hey, it can be garbage slop that I delete later, so what's the big deal? That would buy me almost another half a year. And it doesn't even need to be a real video, it could be a short, or a community post. I can be careful to never miss the deadline and to never miss another terms of service update email and always agree. I could just push the problem back year after year with half-assed garbage until they finally pry my garbage slop channel from my cold dead hands.

I know there's a lot of people who, in this situation, would just suck it up and commit to posting regularly for the rest of their lives. Or leave it alone, because most people don't really care about advertising. I can't say that's the wrong choice for them. But I can't agree to what I don't agree to.

5. Due Diligence

But wait! Could it really be this bad? What if YouTube made a mistake?

Perhaps when they set up this automated process for "inactive" channels, they weren't considering the implications. Maybe they intended it to catch new partners that tried YouTubing for a while and then left the platform, leaving a tiny channel that would make pennies a year, not worth the cost of even a bank transfer.

I had 1.5M subscribers. I've posted 150+ videos. Most of my videos are evergreen, with people coming back to watch multiple times over the years, for nostalgia or to teach the next generation. The views and comments roll in every day. Surely if someone from YouTube knew that this "inactive" label was also catching beloved OG educational channels who have earned their retirement, they would realize the policy is bad.

Could there be even a slim chance of that?

And that is why I spent a very annoying week doing my due diligence with YouTube partner support. I would've been happy to help them write a better policy that doesn't appear quite so blatantly like they're grabbing what they think they can get away with the moment the owner's back is turned.

I did not give up when the first 4 responses read like they were written by AI. Eventually I managed to Karen myself up to a manager, at which point I was personally assured that after a careful review it has been decided that this policy does apply to my channel and that "it's important to maintain a healthy, active ecosystem of channels."

Healthy? No, not for me.

I like to think that maybe they'll eventually rethink this policy, but I'm making my escape.

I've tried to leave the right way. I paid for a service to scrape hundreds of thousands of public comments people have left over the years, because it would be a shame to lose those too. I've downloaded the analytics that I can. I've puzzled over the bugginess of Google Takeout. I hope I've done it right.

If this were over a decade ago when I was at my YouTube peak, when I knew important people and collaborated with YouTube in real life, back when you could take the slide from the 2nd to 1st floor of YouTube HQ... if this were back in those days maybe I'd email Susan Wojcicki directly and see if we can't at least get YouTube EDU excepted from these toxic ad-grabby slop-first policies. But YouTube EDU is basically dead. And Susan is dead. And times change.

6. A Note On The Timing

Because I know this has been a point of ambiguity for some, I want to make clear that YouTube considering me "inactive" would have happened with or without the statement I made in solidarity with trans people a couple months ago. It's just a coincidence of timing.

For those who weren't following: for a while after the US presidential inauguration, the only video visible on my YouTube channel was "On Gender," a video I posted ten years ago. I did not want to post a new video in response to political news, I wanted to stand by an old statement that I continue to believe in.

Some people saw the missing videos and perceived it as "taking down my channel", but I didn't. I just temporarily hid most of my videos. I could have put it all back up with the click of a button, maintaining all my views, all my comments, all my subscribers. And briefly, I did.

If you're wondering whether taking down 99% of my backlog might put my channel below the engagement thresholds for partnership eligibility or something like that, the answer is nope! If I were applying for a YouTube partnership today (well, yesterday), I would've met the engagement thresholds. Even with only one decade-old video up.

Because that one video is a good video, and still relevant, maybe more relevant than ever. It was still being viewed, commented on, shared. I certainly did not consider my channel "inactive" during that time. A channel only needs one video when the video is that good, if I may give my humble opinion.

In a way, the timing was great for me. I'd just gone through my recent backlog and made a ton of progress on transferring videos to Vimeo that hadn't made it the last time I'd gone through, so that people could still find them while I was making my minimalist statement of solidarity. It was only afterwards that I got that 30 day notice, and 30 days would not be enough time to do everything if I were starting from scratch, so I guess it all worked out.

Though I also wish I could have let that statement stand.

7. Closing Thoughts

This inactive channel ad-grab situation was the first thing I absolutely couldn't compromise on, but given the trend of the past 15 years there's a fair chance that if it wasn't this it'd be something else eventually, because I'm fundamentally at odds with YouTube's business model.

The only obligation YouTube ever had to host my videos for free without ads was their former commitment to YouTube EDU, investing in making YouTube appear like a legitimate place to learn, and the common wisdom used to be that legitimate places to learn don't make students watch ads for weight loss pills and get-rich-quick schemes.

But why would that continue?

No one questions going to YouTube to find educational materials, anymore. Students check their phones while they're waiting for the teacher to click "skip" on the pre-roll. The whole thing is routine.

But I'm not confused about who this decision is for. It's for myself and my peace.

I know I'm not protecting the students of the world from something they care about, when I clutch my pearls about their precious eyeballs potentially being subjected to visions of anti-aging supplements. If my video doesn't have ads, the next one will.

If I made my videos with the intention of them being educational, rather than as art that happens to do math to people, maybe I'd be making different choices here. There is no arguing that in the short term, taking down my channel makes my videos less accessible.

I do feel a little bad about that. But that's somewhat offset by feeling like maybe it's good for us to get jostled out of our online content learned helplessness. Just because something isn't on YouTube doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and just because Google isn't giving you helpful search results doesn't mean it's not out there somewhere on a competitor's website.

It's still possible to have boundaries against corporate greed, even in 2025.

I thought I would have more emotions about hitting that delete button and seeing that blank page.

But I feel... content.

🐌

Comments

Perryman

I appreciate you and connect with that sense of liberation and boundaries and self-awareness.

Arron Powell

Thank you for sharing your process, and for being yourself. Thank you for standing up for what you believe in.

Pi Fisher

In your Pi Day Medium Message post, you wrote: > But if you are a teacher or patron, you can click this not-so-secret link to find all the classics. Since then, I've been avoiding sharing the link with people who are neither, and instead directing them here to learn more. Do you intend for that link to stay not-so-secret, or are you happy to have it shared broadly?

Gregor Shapiro

Keep up the good work. Keep up being you.

vihart

I'm happy to have it shared broadly! Also hello! :)

Rocco Neil April

This is a proper treatise. Thank you! Also happy Pi Day, I missed that this year :(

Marty McGuire

Thank you. And congrats. And applause. And thank you again. 💖

vihart

Ooh! I was just trying to figure out how to describe this giant post in a way that's more accurate than giant post. A proper treatise, yes!

Pi Fisher

Thanks! I was just talking about On Gender two days ago, as it's a Good Video, and it resonates well with my thoughts about my gender. It's very helpful to not need to come up with my own phrasing when someone asks about my gender.

Eric Logan

What an all-time fumble by YouTube. Just an absolutely colossal failure. The disrespect involved alone. You didn't have to write all this but I really appreciate that you did. Thank you!

vihart

I know, right? I'm trying to be classy here but I needed to hear someone say it like it is.

Toshiro Newsum

YouTube chased me off as a viewer about a year ago, but I'm still sorry to hear they made it so bad for you that you had to shutdown your channel. I'm nostalgic for 2011/2012, when I first found your videos in my nerdy high school math club. It's a world away from what YouTube is now. I think that experience really is better recreated today for people to find you on Vimeo- perhaps a little more work but the reward is great videos and thought-provoking content on a platform that isn't saturated by greed.

Amy Tobol

I remember the first time I saw an ad on my little videos on my tiny channel, and thinking, no, that is not what I selected. I chose no money because I don't want revenue and I don't want ads on my videos. It was a button I clicked! No ads! I CLICKED THE BUTTON! Those videos are MY content, and they're making money off of them! I didn't know what to do, so I stopped uploading things. I mean, I still do occasionally, if it makes it easier to share something, but. It never occurred to me that choosing to monetize would let me turn off ads.

Stephen Maxwell

Hell yeah. Sometimes I feel alone in the degree to which I still care about the ways we do or don't get to control what occupies our attention. Everpresent advertising, manipulative engagement algorithms, addictive gamification loops, all just part of the air we breathe these days, unless you go out of your way to be a curmudgeon. It's always refreshing to see someone draw a boundary, especially in a relatively impactful way like this here. Thank you!

David Peaker

2 other creators I follow on Patreon have similar horror stories about their original videos being hijacked by third parties claiming copyright, so this can't be uncommon. In both cases YouTube was completely indifferent to their plight and left them to try and sort it out with the third party, which was only successful in one of the 2 cases. Even though only you know what is right for you, I think you are doing the right thing.

Catherine Lu

This essay made me think a lot about how I interact with online services, and where I am compromising my own beliefs. I really look up to you for the way you approached the whole thing so thoughtfully over the course of these years. I'm really glad in particular to hear that you have archived everything that was on your YouTube channel. By the way, I was trying to share this post with friends, but it seems to be locked behind a "join" button on Patreon. Is there a setting to allow someone who isn't signed in to view this?

Matthias Urlichs

Yes. That. I think i have contacted most of the people I follow about *please* also uploading to Vimeo or Peertube or what-have-you. Also, as YT apparently couldn't care less whether the right people get their ad money, or whether the distribution of money is fair or merely the enshittified edge of what creators will put up with, likewise I couldn't care less about their ads. Ad blockers and ReVanced to the rescue. Fairness needs to go both ways.

vihart

Thank you for reading thoughtfully! I made this post patron-only to give it some protection from public drama, and because that's who I wrote it for. So signing into the patreon platform wouldn't give access if they're not also patrons of this page. But for friends, I encourage social workarounds such as sharing in person, printing it out and mailing it to them, calling them up and reading it out loud, or whatever makes sense to you.

Catherine Lu

Totally understandable! Thank you for responding! :)

vihart

I did feel something like anger when I first received that message a month ago. But once I was sure of my decision to delete, that all drained away.

Andrew Reid

Thanks for this. I try to be involved on the right side of a lot of these issues, which these days mostly involves being an EFF member and championing FOSS informally, and it so often feels like so little. Your treatise (h/t to Rocco Neil April above) helps me remember that there are others in this fight.

June

Congratulations! Seems like you and YouTube had a toxic relationship and you decided enough was enough. I hope there's a chance in the future for better internet third spaces to emerge which aren't so corporatized. Maybe that boat sailed in the early 2010s, but I hope not.

Bin Ling

Thank you for sharing even though you didn’t need to explain anything! It’s really hard to fight against such big systems but removing the videos when you no longer agree to terms of service is genius and I can see how that would feel really satisfying. Thanks for doing that ! I am so shocked regarding the “needing to post in 30 days if not you will lose your status as partner”. My jaw literally dropped! I can’t find the right words for it. As a consumer I’m trying my best to be more aware of my consumption and not fall into any doom scrolling loops, but it’s honestly so difficult. Some days brain says just give me something mind numbing things to watch. Quick, click baity and fast , feels so good in the moment, so horrible after though. I do miss the relationship with media I have in the 2010s, where every thing just felt a little slower and technology was just felt like a toy on my shelf I could pick up and put down. I wonder if we can reach back there, but for now this sounds good. Don’t know if I can stop watching YouTube videos as there’s still so many informative videos on there, but diversifying my sources sounds like a good first step, and I need to think more on how I consume. Ads suck. And the things we do, decisions we make as adults in our work truly affect the young so much. whether we like it or not, we are leading examples. I’m not a content creator by any means but staying curious, patient and respecting the learning process is something I deeply protect in myself and I don’t think any of this “posting every 30 days to remain a partner” facilitates any of that. Frankly would be overwhelmed at the regularity instead of spontaneity that feels more human. So really, thank you! You deserve to have respect as a creator, educator and artist, so hopefully Vimeo is good for you like that. If not I guess the next step will be self hosting? But for real though, it’s your work so I don’t think there’s any badness to feel in terms of what you do with it. Truly feel so lucky to be able to see them so thank you. Thank you for setting boundaries. Boundaries are good ☺️ no boundaries mean trouble.

j-beda

Thank you for sharing.

Chris Nolan.ca

Wonderful read. Thank you very much for sharing all this. I noticed a few years ago I lost access to my channel with my 65million views due to missing some email or another and had it on the back burner to try and 'look into' but yeah, long long ago where the days of having a 'partner manager' you just called up like an actual business partner are gone. ick. Thank you for being you and not giving in and for demonstrating to all of us that one can be themselves and know the difference between what should be, what is, and what can could be if more people weren't indifferent.

Carol Wang

I've done some online teaching where I've posted my videos unlisted to Youtube. I actually have no idea if the students have to watch ads when they view them, I should log out of Premium and check. I've been planning take my videos public but like you don't want ads... The reason to use Youtube would be for hosting and discoverability. Vimeo doesn't really offer much in the way of discoverability (if 20 seconds of search testing is accurate) and costs significant $$ to use, but they look to only be charging for storage. If I were to use my own site, I'd be paying for storage (which I already am, so that's not really extra) and bandwidth to AWS. It would be interesting to test which is actually a higher expense...

Maxion

I support your decision and your reasoning. But was the title maybe supposed to say 2025 instead of 2015? I assume there is a typo there (or was, for anyone seeing this after it potentially gets corrected).

vihart

Ha, oops! Thanks for catching that!

Gaëtan Perrault

Thank you for doing this and for writing this all out. YouTube is definitely a hellscape for many creators. I'm happy to keep subscribing knowing that those videos will still live on Vimeo. Still doing their thing for the world.

Cai

I am a professional mathematician but not an artist, so I don't imagine I'll ever be in an analogous situation. But I so thoroughly vibed with your every decision in this that, if I ever am, I hope I can achieve as much thoughtfulness and integrity as you. You are, in that sense, my hero!

Jeff Brown

Relationships matter. I admire your courage for choosing to leave a platform that abuses its position to extract value without concern for the dignity and wishes of its members. As big tech slides ever deeper into enshittification, it feels like there’s an opportunity to do the opposite and make better, more principled, systems for everyone. All that aside, I look forward to more of your art. 💜

Mak Mapping

If nothing else, I joined your patreon because of this, so i hope you can put my 5 bucks to good use

David Neale-Lorello

The only thing I disagree with here is that your position bears any resemblance to pearl-clutching (I know you were being sarcastic). Your integrity has been and remains an inspiration to me; I'm someone who prides myself in walking my talk, yet you have shown me more than once ways in which I could do a better job. Thanks again for contributing what you do!

Cúán Ó Meachair

A part of me wants to view YouTube as stupid. In a way, they totally are stupid because they're ruining a lot of great things here, and because YouTube EDU was such a nice thing. Every time I log on I feel more and more of the internet I love slipping through my fingers. Not because services I like don't exist anymore, and not because I don't participate in them, but because their magic came from the eyes on them. Social networking was never perfect, never uncorrupted, especially in the time I've been using it as a young person. My most cherished, fun and valued internet time has always been on fictional, creative commons writing sites like SCP Foundation and those sites' accompanying Discord servers, said sites running on wiki software from 2006 which hasn't changed at all since 2013 and even then was only receiving iterative improvements. Sites that I use for more important things like my animation career haven't felt fun to use in a long time, and YouTube certainly hasn't. I hear Newgrounds is still nice, even if there isn't much on there for me. I wonder if a part of my ever more frustrating experience with actually using YouTube is because I live on open source software (at least, when my job allows me to) and running Firefox on Linux doesn't seem like the exact setup Google would like me to have. YouTube has some pretty bad web design decisions baked in that make me feel like I'm having a practical joke played on me each time I watch a video or (god forbid) try to scroll through the videos on a channel's homepage -- a space that used to be customizable with user-defined CSS, don't ever forget that. Now, it's a bland space that even a 1080p image of a brown apple core can't imbue with the essence of whimsy. But YouTube isn't a stupid enemy. It's a smart enemy. It's Doctor Eggman. Just because I don't like what they're doing doesn't mean they're stupid. You can be smart without a conscience, and you can certainly be smart without doing what's right by other people. In a capitalistic society, it's kind of amazing that anybody puts their work up for free online, let alone that a big website like YouTube even offered you a convoluted path to facilitating that experience on their platform. When YouTube shorts (Can you imagine Vihart brandsperientialist YouTube shorts? Please excuse me while I briefly pretend I'm too good, too discerning to totally spend loads of time watching those if they were a thing) came onto the scene, it was a laughing stock. Everybody wanted rid of it, and I smugly thought the world would be able to defeat something like it. Everyone hates this thing, so it's bound to go. YouTube stories have gone, so this will too, right? Right? The general dissatisfaction of YouTube users with Shorts was not only public. It was happening behind closed doors in the studios that creators still didn't have (lmao) because they were finding out that Shorts would have a lower cut of ad revenue than regular YouTube videos. Why was there a difference? Well... they're not videos! What's the difference between these and videos? Well, if you go on to the video page, you see a shittastic user interface that puts a little mini phone screen in the center of your browser window to simulate TikTok! It's basically like a different website than YouTube, one they've snuck into peoples' lives by making their YouTube apps open to it. We've all got our eyes on Elon Musk's X.com dumpsterfire, waiting to point and laugh whenever it makes another move towards becoming its machiovellian ruler's dream "everything app". Meanwhile TikTok opens a successful TEMU clone where all my friends seem to buy their perfume from, and YouTube starts hosting non-user-generated web games to play in your browser just to squeeze a little extra attention out of you before you click off. We aren't paying the attention we might think we're paying. YouTube is winning at this Shorts game, and by extension they will absolutely destroy it at this requiring people to upload frequently game, because these companies aren't fooling around anymore. You had the chance to opt out of G+ integration, but you never got the opportunity to disable Shorts because nobody did. And people will apparently put up with a lot in order to continue using YouTube, including me. I'll keep putting up with a ridiculous amount of stuff. At least with Shorts comes the return of video responses. Of course, the 2025 themed monkey's paw of that return is that now whatever you respond with has to fit in a YouTube Short.

clover caruso

i remember watching your old videos a lot, and i was crying some time ago when i found they vanished. i had been facing a large buildup of youtube bleh too, though the "inactivity" thing is so mean. i was upset watching the bar for being a "partner" increased and then the terms changing to allow the site to put ads on all the videos that weren't big. and then i saw ads on my videos. i tried to not let it get to my head but this year i deleted them all and put my videos on a web site. it felt so amazing to be in control again. i'm glad you are too vi clo

Sam Hawke

My favorite YouTuber is no longer a YouTuber. I love that. Maybe I can think of myself as less of a YouTube consumer.

Sec

Thank you for explaining the inner workings of youtube. Your action seems similar to leaving twitter back in the day when it felt like "everyone" was still there, so I hope maybe we'll see youtube's influence diminish in the future. I wish you more fun and less having to deal with annyoing stuff like this.

vihart

It's a little like that. It was worlds easier for me to leave twitter years ago, and facebook years before that, because it wasn't really a decision that anyone else had a stake in, but I'm certainly not the average user. YouTube is perceived by many as the default public space for video content, and as with Twitter perhaps more and more people will see the extent to which it is not a public space.

vihart

Congratulations on also making your escape! It does feel good.

vihart

Yes yes and yes. Shorts are nefarious, the way YouTube has gone about forcing Shorts is nefarious, and it's one of many things I didn't go into in my medium-length version of my YouTube rant, since it's mostly after my time. It's just not hard to manipulate people into participating in something, even something they originally said no to and didn't like, when you have complete control of the world they've been living in for years and can bend that world to suit your nefarious purposes. I've seen a lot of creators get sucked into making shorts because it feels like the thing to do and the way to succeed. A lot of them have gotten very good at creating stuff, and they like doing it, and they get satisfaction out of creating successful things. YouTube is good at taking advantage of that through a number of specific manipulations I can think of, and more manipulations I'm sure I'm entirely unaware of. As good at YouTube is at warping the world and pushing people's limits, I don't know that it is capable of stopping. Evil genius tends to have that problem. YouTube might operate as if for every creator that gets burned out or fed up 100 more will show up to replace them, and maybe for 20 years that has been true. But now? It has enough dominance that if it keeps pushing people to their limits it'll be bigger and bigger chunks of people leaving all at once, and at some point there won't be enough to replace them. The platform just can't grow another 20 years the way it did for the first 20. But YouTube isn't a person, it has no incentive to keep itself alive if eating itself is more profitable. And it can sure do a lot of harm in the meantime.

Cúán Ó Meachair

Welp, that's no bother at all because YouTube has conditioned me and statistically has conditioned you (though against all odds has happened not to have conditioned you) into believing that the best way to solve the cultural problems on YouTube is by YouTubing more.

Nathan Philipp Bo Seddig

The timing for this was surprising: I got a notification from your channel a few days ago so I looked for your videos on YouTube yesterday after many months, only to find your channel had vanished. I'm happy you didn't vanish from the whole internet, just one website and your videos are still somewhere.

Nathan Philipp Bo Seddig

You may want to remove or change the YouTube embed in your patron About section :) Also did you intentionally take down vihart.com? it gives me a connection timeout error so I guess you still own the domain but aren't maintaining it. It wasn't hard to find this page and your Vimeo, but links from a recognizable website would have helped.

vihart

Years ago, my web hosting service changed my monthly autopayment from $20 a month to $50 a month without warning or notification. I noticed the inflated charge on my statements immediately, called them to confirm that both the change in cost and lack of notification was not some bug or accident, and canceled my service that same day. I had on my to-do list to find a new hosting service, but since zero people actually go to my website and it's pretty well covered by archive.org it never became a priority. Maybe someday...

vihart

That video is one of a few that I archived on Vimeo but haven't made public yet because I don't want old current-events-related videos to appear as new 2025 uploads without giving some context in the description if it's needed. I've gone through a couple in that category, but haven't gotten to this one. I'll put it next on the list!

Frink Zippi

i have a couple close friends who try to make a career in youtube. they produce quality stuff, but behind the scenes i watch them constantly trying (while still working other jobs) to get the good favors of an algorithm designed against them. online video was one of my first loves---even enticing me to study in media production---but i've been disillusioned by the demands everywhere for monthly, weekly, daily uploads and even cancelled my adobe subscription (that's a whole other topic on user coercion and exploitation 😞). you were one of the creators who inspired me to just make things for me and the people who love me, and i hope you can continue whatever your heart yearns toward in a more welcoming space

Violet G

thank you <3

Willow McPhie

Thank you for posting this! This provided me with a lot of insight. I doubt you remember me. We met at VidCon a couple times. I was there for your presentation on VR. I've since come out as a trans woman. Different name, different appearance. But despite the changes I've undergone, I maintain to this day that you are the most intelligent person I've ever met. And it means something that you are not the least bit motivated by money. You are motivated by what is right. And that is a great comfort in these dark times.

Tamseel Ahmad

The day I stumbled upon a channel from your video (less than two years ago), I checked that site, it was down. Immediately, I checked Internet Archive and was very relieved to find it there. But, I guess not all people are savvy enough to know about Wayback Machine. I'm from the generation of kids who look up to you. Your channel reminded us of how cool once the mainstream internet used to be. Personal websites are an ode to that time. I'd love to see that site back even if you don't add any new content.

clorofolle

Hi, Vi! I just now learnt you had deleted your youtube channels. I'm a long time fan, and one of those kinds of people who loves to keep personal archives of data they're interested in. Your YT channel was the first one I archived, because if youtube shut down tomorrow, your videos would be the ones I'd have grieved the most. So of course I'm thrilled they're all on vimeo! :D Because I had archived all of ViHart and vihartvihart up to a certain point, I double-checked, and noticed you haven't re-uploaded some of the vids from vihartvihart. Is that intentional, or would you like to be signaled which ones are missing?

Icarus

Very late to this, but thank you both for the explanation and also for all the amazing work you've done these years. I loved watching your videos as a child. I was probably about 7 or 8 when I started watching you, not too long after you started your "Doodling in Math Class" series, and to this day you are one of my favorite creators from the platform. Though it's sad (to me) to see the channels go, it's incredibly understandable, and I am just grateful you have made it so we can still watch the videos you've made. Much love, and good luck on all your future endeavors.

geewizzy

OMG I would love to see the missing vihartvihart videos again! Do you know where I would be able to find them?

Llamalland

Don't care where they're hosted, I'll continue to rewatch your videos, recommend them to others etc. etc. and celebrate tau day. You're fabulous, do fabulous work, and deserve the content feeling you have about this. I appreciate the nuanced yet principled way you think about all this. ♥♥♥!

Daniel Barkalow

Is your version of "Peace for Triple Piano" available anywhere? I was only able to find Henry's stereographic version on YouTube, and then I was unsure as to whether Vimeo even supports videos like that not being stereographic, and so whether you'd be able to have it be your version without a different player.