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Image: still from new Spidermath video going up TOMORROW???!

I am going to be trying some new things in the next couple months, mainly trying to figure out what videos I can make that take 1-3 days, so that I can eventually upload weekly but still be able to do projects that take longer than a week.

I've come to realize that I'm not nearly successful enough to do only the projects I really really want to do, or to ignore the pressures to leverage social media to get more views/subscribers/supporters. 

But luckily, and with your support, I AM successful enough that I think I can only work on projects that I think are good for the world without compromising my morals, and still have time to do deeper work sometimes. My favourite way is to use my art process to figure out things I myself didn't understand before and couldn't learn anywhere else, and that takes time.

The problem is, if I'm not playing the YouTube game, even my own subscribers are unlikely to see my video pop up on their front page, and I don't have the kind of following where I can ignore that. I think part of the problem is that YouTube's recommendation algorithms are constantly changing and recently have made this affect my work more than ever. 

My last couple videos have shockingly low view counts compared to what I'm used to. While I'd like to not care, somehow for the past six months my funding has been stubbornly sitting below what I need to reach my goals, and I'd like to take the pressure off of those of you who are already here and helping me try to make this work.

Part of it is selling more merch (and I hear you on getting more things available than just a couple shirts, working on it!), and part of it is allowing my audience to grow and change by continuing to put stuff where people will see it, as much as I'd like to hide in a spider hole in a corner of a couch and weave my web and not worry about whether anyone's watching.

The major thing I realized is that I can work a lot faster if I leverage existing content made by other people rather than stubbornly insisting that it's more worthwhile if I'm putting out purely original content from end to end. So for example, the video I'm working on right now uses images and screencaps from websites, a gif from wikipedia, and only a tiny taste of notebook animation. It's scripted, but it's more free-association than story, and doesn't try to teach or do anything fundamentally new.

It's fun and I like it and I enjoyed making it and I think you'll enjoy it too, even if it's not a brilliant new never-before-thought-think and it uses some other people's images. I can work on new-thought-think later next month, hopefully.

It still would take two days if I weren't still up working at 10pm, and that's with being inspired and with everything going suspiciously perfectly and not needing to source any extra materials. I think this type of video in general would take 2-3 days. So, it's short enough to build up some extra time, but not by much, especially given that running a business means doing stuff besides pure content creation sometimes. So I wanted to figure out, if I'm going to release a video every week and still have time to work on longer projects, what kind of video takes a day or less?

I think it's probably stuff like review videos, unboxing videos, and lets plays, where I'm relying entirely on someone else's creation for the visuals and structure and all I have to do is give commentary and perspective on it. Maybe there's a market for math gadget unboxing and review videos.

Maybe I can make a video in one day if I have your help. There's kinds of videos that rely on user submitted content, like I was thinking it might be fun to do a math gif review video series with your submitted math gifs. I love short looping media and math visualizations.

Maybe I can figure out a kind of video that is 30 seconds long.

Maybe I can do videos about one single math pun that is one sentence and then the video is over. I don't know if that will make the youtube gods love my videos again, for all I know I'm at my peak right now and the more videos I make the more my channel will fall into obscurity. For all I know YouTube has decided to squelch any channel not using youtube ads and youtube-integrated teespring merch. But I've got to try something new so that's what I'm going to be doing! Hopefully it will shake things up in a good way!

My other obvious option would be to continue making videos infrequently and get on the speaking circuit. That's how I used to supplement my income ten years ago. But besides that I really, really do not want to do that again, I think ultimately it would take more time and energy than just making more little videos, as would moonlighting or grant writing etc. I guess its good to have backup-backup plans.

I'm also trying to figure out a better Patreon plan. I've got to get something at the $6.28 level and above, for example, and I'm pricing out some ideas. I'm also not sure whether Lens, in the end, is a net positive. I do know I've lost a lot of patrons who find the notifications annoying, and I worry post notifications get lost in the lens shuffle and so people don't see those as much anymore.

I've also been neglecting my 2nd channel, soundcloud, vr, vihart.com blog, and everything except for trying to do big important math video projects. I miss doing microwave videos. And music.

I just gotta decide how to find more freedom to work on long projects without the answer being add 20 million things that all take a little time... I think the right small change will make everything fall into place though.

Ok so that's what's on my mind! I was a little worried yesterday but now I'm excited to try some new things. Let me know your thoughts.

Vi

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Bruce

Hi. I love that you have so many amazing things you're into and that you can do that you don't know which ones to do first or most.

Bruce

Please know your supporters will help you. If there are things we can do such to help your social media/eyeball count, etc. that help you more than other things please let us know.

Mark Harper

I would miss Lens if you stopped... But if it meant more doses of Vitamin Vi over YouTube, well, that would be great too. I just really enjoy your small insights and discoveries. Maybe the shorter videos will give the YouTube crowd a little more of that, too. But fundamentally, I'm here to support whatever it is you want to do. I don't have any expectations about what that should be.

Giles Radford

Hi Vi, Thank you for sharing. Of the few people I back on Patreon, I certainly feel that you’re the only one that definitely tries to interact with their community beyond the odd “here’s a preview of the vid I’m posting tomorrow” type which what I see others do. My Patreon subscription to you does seem value-added. I suppose the corollary to that is that you’re taking this community thing maybe a little more seriously than other creators people like me will offer patronage to. So if you’re feeling pressure from us, know that others have much less interaction and still get sponsored, at least in the limited sample of one opinionated patron. That being said, if you *want* to convince people to not only join in the belief of Tau Superiority, and get us to stab all the Pi-lovers in the face but also render tribute unto the supreme triangle in a parody of a a geometric cult, then you need to keep some interaction going, after all. I really that money is an issue, and that makes this suggestion a bit more complicated, but, have you considered outsourcing the editing? Record your speech, record your doodles and general manual tomfoolery, and ship the whole set of files off to someone who can string it together at a speed that maybe you’re unable to reach? It may not be 100% you, and they may do it in a slightly different manner to you, but the end product may be either indistinguishable to us, or at the very least close enough for us to not care? How much of your creative bottleneck is the editing process, and how much is the actual coming up with ideas and scripting it? You’re already considering using third party media for inspiration, and this could work, I’m intrigued to see it, at least. You’re looking for ideas for shorter video creation times, and one of those is shorter videos. Other creators I follow have different “series” of content with distinct feels, Tom Scott comes to mind, but it can be subtle. Maybe a series of 3-5 minute shorts on important but less-well-known mathematical constants, with less of the humour and cult-building and more emphasis on the general pedagogy? You could draw it on, say, graph paper - though that might look awful on camera, so maybe a different colour of notebook - to distinguish the style, and then maybe go back to your sharpie on white lined paper for your longer pieces, or even bring your graph paper constants in for cameos in those longer pieces? Anyway, just throwing ideas out there in the hope they’ll jog your mind and maybe even stick. Don’t be afraid to try new formats, or to try new methods of work. Be honest about it and the process of rediscovering your workflow, as you’re being st the moment, and your fan base will be patient. All hail the Supreme Triangle!

Saul Pwanson

Hi Vi, have you considered republishing and selling your existing content? Like Scott Bradlee does with PMJ, you could take some of your favorite videos (eventually all of them) and sell them in officially sanctioned digital packages with cutesy themes and titles. Or maybe some simple DVDs like "Vi Deos Vol. N" with Vi-tastic packaging and cover art aimed at getting into CostCo. I'd love for you to earn a living creating content, let me know if I can help.

Kevin V

I like the lens clips and you can turn notifications for them off, but it might be a failing of the Patreon system that that isn't communicated well enough to people if you're losing patrons for it. :/

Carol Wang

I don't think Let's Play videos is the way to go (I would certainly not be interested in that sort of content). If you're not getting enough love from the YouTube sorting algorithms, I'd suggest that synergy might be a better solution. Cross pollinate with Physics Girl or Acapella Science, etc. I admit that I have never watched any Lens stuff. I figured that if there was anything worthwhile there, you'd collate it into a main channel video.

Stevonnie

I am in no way advocating for any particular action on the Lens clips, just providing a perspective from the other side. Finding the setting for turning off the notifications was much harder than it should have been (it's not in the obvious place, under Lens Settings) and, annoyingly, it needs to be done individually for every single creator. Furthermore, while you can turn the push notifications off, Patreon provides no setting for "I don't want to see this content and don't want to be reminded that it exists," so whenever I check my Patreon app, there's a little number in the corner saying that I have, e.g., four unread notifications, and it's invariably Lens stuff, but what if it isn't? It's a very small source of stress, but it's a real one.

Daniel

I have no idea how long it would take or if you would even enjoy it, but if you want to do more music then perhaps parody existing songs rather writing new compositions? I enjoyed the lyrics to "the bowl and the laser bat". Perhaps taking other works and incorporating maths and math puns could take off? I also liked the weirdness of "spiders forever", for which less-choreographed sequels might be quick (though perhaps not the most appetising to Planky?)

Daniel

Also, Vi Hart Highlights (Vighlights? Hartlights?) might be quick to edit? I would love "bowl and the laser bat" and the 12-tone "Mary had a little lamb" as stand alone re-releases to add to my YouTube music playlist. How much effort is getting that music onto iTunes etc? Maybe that's a market? I dunno.

Edan Maor

I'm a big fan and think it's great that you're thinking of new experiments. However, I do have to disagree with some of what you wrote. Firstly, it sounds like some of the shorter videos you propose wouldn't be particularly interesting. I mean, you can probably make them interesting and prove me wrong! but off the bat, they don't sound too exciting. More abstractly, you wrote " I think the right small change will make everything fall into place though.". I gotta say, from my small experience in business (nothing to do with YouTube or social media), that's usually a fallacy. You almost alway have to try many different things; many fail, a few give you a few extra percentage viewers/patrons/etc. Once in a blue moon you hit on something really valuable, but the main part is the extra percentages you pick up from each new thing. I really think some kind of merch is the way to go. I alreay bought a shirt, and I don't even like shirts! But there's lots of other things you can do. E.g. Zach Weinersmith from SMBC packaged collections of comics and sold them. Existing source material, so the work is (relatively) minor, but he can now sell that. You can similarly make best-of collections - either as playlists, so more people are exposed to your good content, or even to sell in some kind of packaged way. Speaking of marketing, I really think you should collaborate in some way with other creators in the math space. E.g. 3blue1brow. I have to say, I'd heard you mentioned by many people for I think 4 years, mainly in reference to your "playing pi" video. And other than watching that video, I basically dismissed you, because I kind of thought that's all there was. So making best-of lists or collaborating with others will definitely help people like me, who *love* your work, find it instead of otherwise missing out on it. (If you haven't seen it, check out 3blue1brown's "featured creators" video: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcgJro0sTiM&t=7s." rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcgJro0sTiM&t=7s.</a> It's both the kind of thing that can really boost you, and also he specifically mentions just how useful it was for his channel to get shout-outs from other channels. And yes, I do realize your chanel is actually more popular by suscriber count, and it's totally possible that you've gotten tons of shout-outs I don't know about - I *am* new here). Anyway, just in case it isn't clear - love your work and will help in any further way I can! Fwiw, I upped my pledge after your last video in honor of tau-day, and because you're awesome.

Trevor Flowers

Following ones heart can be so tricky in relationship with an audience! You're doing great and I hope that you're patient with and kind to yourself.

j-beda

I wonder if cross-promotion might be powerful? Invite other like-minded you-tuber people to be in a collaborative video that you could post to each other's subscribers to perhaps get new people to support both of you? Give "shout outs" to other Patreon creators in exchange for them doing the same for you? Growing the number of supporters seems like it is always valuable.

Chris St

Your line, "all I have to do is give commentary and perspective on it" sounds like a throw-away line, but this is REALLY a major strength of yours! I think your idea of doing this for random things, let's plays, etc. would be great. And here's something you've probably seen already, but I just ran across it, and it's got a lot of cool math GIFs: <a href="http://www.interocitors.com/polyhedra/n_icons/index.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.interocitors.com/polyhedra/n_icons/index.html</a> Keep up the good work! You're doing great stuff.

Cain

I'm excited about your new ideas re: math gifs etc; your perspective is ALWAYS interesting and I love the thought of getting to roll around in your thoughts about not-wholly-original content too. As for getting the word out, I second what some other people have said earlier in this thread: perhaps collaborations with other YouTubers could work! It doesn't even have to be *wholly* about math stuff - for instance, a member of Simply Nailogical's family gave you a shout-out recently, and I'm sure she'd be happy to give you math-y nailpolish. :D

Richard Kusaba

(Buzz-Kill Alert!) I believe that human existence is inherently limited and therefore one must pick-and-choose and therefore some stuff will be left incomplete or undone and that this sucks really badly and that the only viable solution is to make the most of the few things you do decide to do for as long as you decide to do them. Good Luck!

M Eilo

Maybe short videos on trendy math topics? Grey and 3brown1blue but made very popular machine learning videos.

vihart

I like lensing and it doesn't feel like it takes any time whatsoever! If people like it too, I'll keep doing it.

vihart

In 2012 I had no debt and a salary with benefits and no responsibilities outside myself. So like many fully funded youtubers I knew, I was feeling the pressure of youtubery in a social and personal way, what with audience expectations and definitions of "success" with metrics, pressure to do more than I want or need, or to make more polished content, more mainstream content, more "education system"-y content, or otherwise "go somewhere" with it. That's what I was thinking through with that video. I've clarified my feelings on that a lot more over the years, and it's great to look back and feel like I'm not at all struggling with the question I was working through back in 2012. Now I know what I want from life and what success is to me, it's just a matter of making it work! Thank you 2012-me for making some good choices for the benefit of now-me!

vihart

Oh yay, glad I'm doing this community thing somewhat right! For my usual style of video, editing takes basically no time (or at least that's how it feels). I kind of enjoy it, that after weeks of research and writing and then days of filming, once everything's in the premiere project the editing just kind of happens and falls together in half a day with very little stress or brain energy required compared to the rest of the process. But if I can figure out videos that are shorter to write and film, and especially videos that leverage other content, editing and sourcing outside images/video becomes a bottleneck that's outsourceable! Especially for things filmed basically in real time, like, unboxing videos or craft videos. It'd be nice to figure out something where that workflow would work and so I can eventually outsource the editing.

vihart

Yes! I'm talking with DFTBA about doing a DVD, so hopefully that will happen in the next couple months. Another possible thing on my list of 2-day videos is to re-make my really old videos in high resolution. Looking back, it's amazing I ever got off the ground with such low-res content, but times were different then!

vihart

huh, I didn't know it had to be done individually per creator! I guess only one person I follow uses it. I didn't think of the notification thing either. I'm gonna forward this feedback to the patreon team, if that's all right.

vihart

I forgot to think about collaborations! They can be really effective for bringing in new viewers. Though collaborations are usually hard and take a lot of time with lots of coordination. But you're right that I should keep it in mind and see if something comes up.

vihart

Parody songs sound like a great way to leverage existing content to make creation faster! I guess I'd have to try it to see how long it actually takes. The thing that makes me most hesitant is that I think there's a bunch of different channels that frequently do math parody songs already, but no one says the market's saturated. Or maybe I can do covers of other people's math parody songs and it'll go even faster. That'd actually probably be pretty fun. Or... well, now I've got lots of ideas, thank you :D

vihart

Oh yeah, I've never done the iTunes thing but people keep suggesting it so obviously there's a market I'm missing. Hey, maybe I can cover my own songs.

vihart

Thank you for your honest feedback! I basically agree, I just want to stay open minded to the kind of videos I think of as "boring" if they're time effective. If they suck, I'll rethink. But +1 yes to more/better merch! I'd be nowhere if it weren't for the shoutouts I got in my first few years of youtubing. I was a bit off the map for a few years in there so I don't have a close connection with some of the folks doing great math work now, but differences in subscriber count don't matter as much as one might think! My 1M+ subs mean nothing if youtube chooses not to recommend them my videos, and newer folks with lower counts often have much more active subscribers. So basically I should probably catch up with my fellow edutubers.

vihart

Thank you, that is good advice.

vihart

Yes, you're the third person to mention cross-promotion! I can't believe I didn't even think of it myself. I guess my first instinct is hardly ever to rely on others for help and collaboration, which luckily I know about myself and counteracted by asking YOU for help so you could remind me :)

vihart

Oooh! I haven't seen this page or them called "sphericons", but those are the solids of revolution with a twist that I referenced in the snowday video a few years ago and that wobble real well when rolled! See, if I were "leveraging existing content" back then I could have used these gifs in the video, they're great.

vihart

*uh, a few months ago, not years. There's an exhibit in MoMath with them.

vihart

I probably undervalue my own thoughts since I have to roll around in them ALL THE TIME so that's good to hear. Hmm, I wonder what a math nailpolish collab would look like...

vihart

I agree! No buzzes killed here. I love making the most of things.

vihart

And oh do we have opinions on machine learning.

vihart

Thank you! I do too, more than I thought I would!

Bruce Grembowski

You should totally collaborate with CGP Grey. The video would be just hands and stick figures!

Kenny Tilton

Heh-heh, meanwhile I am grooving on every lens and love it when they pop up and give me a touch of Vi in the interweb to break up my day. But people stop following because of an email or two a day? "Here, let me follow this person I do not want to know about." Hello? You cannot win! Wait, did you say "microwave"? The art form devoid of all meaning so us ViVoces (we got together in the box and picked a name, bowling team is next) -- so us ViVoces can bask in your voice acting -- hey, this was the idea behind abstract art, right?

Kenny Tilton

When do we start work on the pilot for Snail's animated show (or do we do it live? I thought Snail was great live.) Adult Swim, here we come!

Ian Katzton

FWIW, I'm enjoying the lens videos!

Randal Moore

At first I was annoyed with lens posts. But i got the notification sound turned off and it still shows up on my screen. but that's fine because I notice many of the same things you do. I've caught up on reading. Yes I think youtube has screwed up your hits.

Rick Rubenstein

First thought: I don't like comment systems where Return sends. Option-Return to the rescue!

Rick Rubenstein

Re: views and recommendations: I'd be surprised if the YouTube algorithm_didn't_ discriminate against videos which don't generate direct revenue for them. Fundamentally, making money for YouTube is its job. A very popular video without ads costs them quite a bit to serve, but generates no direct revenue. Re: quicker videos: I'm all in favor. I think Spidermath was great. Re: Lens: I don't get much out of it, I'll admit. They tend to come in bunches, and they're kind of a pain to watch (requiring signing into Patreon and some additional clicks). A very occasional, especially amusing one would be fine. Re: new video ideas: Perhaps some sort of review video or series where you recommend classic videos from your favorite YouTube colleagues/friends (Numberphile, Matt Parker, 3Blue1Brown, etc.)? Or maybe just reviews of their channels, and what special thing they each bring? It might generate some cross-traffic love from The Algorithm. I'll admit I don't know quite how one might do such thing in a Vi-ish way.

Chris St

Cool... I think I remember that video! I wonder if it'd make a good one-shot, two-day video anyway, just to focus on these thingies and show off the GIFs...? Don't know how much/little you consider enough, or how allergic you are to repeating yourself.

Chris St

Shift-return works for me to do the paragraph thing.

Stevonnie

Thank you, and please do!

Justin Michael

I enjoy the Lens videos a lot, and I also enjoyed the Spidermath video a lot! Looking forward to more new things!

Edan Maor

Yep. I don't know if it's just my growing interest/awareness, but there's an absolute explosion of amazing content out there about math right now. Your content is probably the most unique, and also the most dense - that's also what makes it "harder" in many ways. Actually, one thing you might consider is to do videos that are more "explationy" if that makes sense. Like, I *know* that I'm missing like half of the cool stuff in your videos, maybe you can do a "behind the scenes" or an "easter eggs" video or something where you explain some of the missed references or something. That'd probably be easier to make, and I at least would appreciate it :)

Marek

Not sure if reducing the notebook animations would be a good plan. For me it looks as one of your particular skills that nobody else is able to master quite like this. Maybe there is a way how to do these faster and more 'on the go' but still remaining the aesthetics. I'm not sure about using the external content either. You have such an unique way of thinking about the problems you are presenting to the audience, trying to fit that with the images somebody else has made seems like a huge compromise. Not sure about Lens either. The idea to put some more personal content out there is great but the Lens is not great way to do that IMO. I have disabled all the push notifications from the people that I follow but as the notification service for Lens is a bit broken, I ended up unsubscribing one artist just because I could not mute the emails. What I would suggest instead of using Lens, is to develop your own style for personal diary type of content (if you still want to do that) and make it available only for selected Patreons. There must be a million things you do besides the youtube, maybe some of these are worth showing. And, instead of writing, you can make a youtube video about the discussion like this. I think you are loosing views partly because of the uploading schedule.

Chris Nolan.ca

Hope it all works out well. Thank you for sharing your struggles.

Nathan Rose

I hope you keep Lens. I enjoy watching them.

Nathan Rose

I hope you keep Lens. I enjoy watching them. Seems like an insight into the depths of your brain... in a good way. :p I'm not sure about more videos though - they take up actual mental capacity to take in. If you do go ahead with making them more often, I hope you keep the bulk of them short (i.e. < 2 minutes) and just have the occasional BIG video.

vihart

I would guess other people don't do the drawing animation thing like me because it takes too long to be cost effective. And it's not just the many hours of actual drawing and filming, it's the weeks of scripting and planning until I know what I want to draw where and when. There's just no way to do it fast, and as you mentioned the slow schedule is too slow, so I've got to compromise somewhere. But I'm not suggesting I compromise on my main work, just that I spend time doing shorter projects too!

Danyel Cavazos

to be honest I also initially thought that "only a tiny taste" of notebook would be too much compromise, but I actually liked the video more than I expected. Your commentary made all the difference. I think this is just the right amount of balance (but I wouldn't want to go any less than this). PS. I totally loved the ' and the vector field is like 'choo' 'choo' 'choo' '. That is exactly the way I think inside my mind (: PPS. Is that spider really on your coach? It's so cool, but I would get scared of sitting there. How do you manage?

vihart

The spider is really there! It's not poisonous or anything so, I'd rather have it right next to me than most other bugs (which it will eat for me). But where I live there's lots of bugs and plenty in my house. It's all about having the right kind of bugs cohabitating with you, to maintain the balance!

Luciano Contartese

I've watched your 7 reasons video last night... I was surprised you uploaded a video, and I love it! You're great Vi, your videos are much inspiring. Writing this makes me tear a little, you're the best!

Erik Postma

Adding one more vote to the "I think the Lens videos are great" camp. But you do what you need to! I won't complain if you need to stop making them for whatever reason.

Michael Tiemann

Lots of wisdom here. While I agree that there are some other great math channels for math, your videos are very heart/human-centric. Which makes them unique. They also exemplify not only mathematical creativity, but general creativity. My favorite creation of yours remains 12-tone Mary had a little lamb. My favorite story of your is how you got the SpongeBob animator to draw pineapples correctly. But I also really admire your non-math videos (on gender, on sadness). You speaking your truth-across many topics-is a voice we need in this world.