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Scorpene SSK S-80 Sub Brief (Patreon)

Published:
2020-05-05 00:24:50
Edited:
2020-05-05 01:18:32
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2026-06
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The wild route the S-80 took to become operational in navies around the globe.

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Scorpene SSK Sub Brief.mp4

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Comments

Andrew MacDougall

Does the Exocet warhead have any special ingredients to make it more flammable or is it an ordinary warhead and warships are just naturally very combustable?

Whitzwolf

fire on any vessel is the most dangerous hazard, i think the exocet is quite comparable with the harpoon

Andrew MacDougall

How does the India AIP work if its fueled by hydrocarbons? Where's the oxygen come from? LOX tanks?

Whitzwolf

This sub brief was incredible especially the notes about the torpedo! Makes you wonder how MORE capable the upgraded ADCAP or Spearfish are...

Whitzwolf

no surely its 69.69 khz...

TheGreyBaron

Hey Jive! Thanks for putting taking the time to make these sub briefs, I’ve really been enjoying them! Maybe you decided this wasn’t relevant, but I feel it’s humorous and important to point out that the Spanish S-80 dry-dock issue was an indirect result of an earlier naval architecture error. The original design was overweight so they had to lengthen it to provide additional buoyancy, which then lead to the revised design no longer fitting in the dry dock. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/spain-military-submarine.html?referringSource=articleShare

Luqman Musa

What would happen if the Scorpene is equipped with Lithium-ion batteries? Does it still need an AIP to get similair endurance/performance?

Matus (Saturnax)

Fantastic brief as always! What a pleasure & honor to be a part of it! Thank you.

Julián Magni

Good brief. Chilean Patreon here. I laughed my ass off at your attempt of pronunciation of "Talcahuano". Ive witnessed the O'Higgins sailing near Valparaiso not long ago so I can confirm both subs are fully operational. They just needed repairs and that's what they got.

Aaron Amick

yes, I don't have a picture of the Indian system yet, but LOX tanks seem to be common among the different types of AIP.

Aaron Amick

I didn't mention it because I couldn't find the actual leaked documents. Just dozens of news stories talking about the leak.

Aaron Amick

Great info, Julian.... and sorry about the pronunciation, it's bad. lol

Aaron Amick

I am trying to make as many as I can before my move North. I am going to be offline for a few weeks.

Benjamin A Rudnick

As far as I recall, the Exocet is one of the missiles that is designed to use whatever fuel it has left as part of its explosive impact. Could be wrong about that ✌

majgijoe

Excuse my ignorance Aaron, but what makes 5-6-7 bladed screws better than 4 bladed screws?

Andrew MacDougall

Do they last a lot longer than the fuel tanks? LOX doesn't seem like something you can just request anywhere.

JustaFLOB

Wow, great brief. More info than I expected or imagined.

Andrew MacDougall

LiOn batteries are still not as energy dense as most types of fuel cells.

Harish Rajan

Australian courts banned the release of the documents, but apparently the leak included intelligence gather frequencies, noise levels at various speeds, diving depth, range and endurance, magnetic data, periscope and mast raising depth and speed (this may be the reason pakistan was able to find the sub but its hyperbole), propeller noise levels, surfaced noise levels of the submarine. The leak apparently also contained specifications of the torpedo launch system and the combat management system.

Andrew MacDougall

Something about cavitation patterns I'm guessing.

Harish Rajan

It was earlier assumed that the leak source was a indian shipyard but later it was revealed that the leak also contained details on other ships and not just submarines hence the leak is said to be occured at france.

The Wells Report

Nice Job, Jive....This is the first brief you've done that actually got me spooked about classified material....If that kind of capability is unclassified....

Louis Laisement

Iirc it's even more humourous as Navantia is no longer involved in the Scorpene after a lawsuit after basically using the knowledge and experience they got from Naval Group to design their own submarine (the heavily modified Scorpene), that they would offer to export as a competitor to the Scorpene, which Naval Group wasn't too happy about

Louis Laisement

Really great brief, glad to see a french sub get some love here, hope there are gonna be more of them in the future. I heard Naval Group is working on a new AIP system that should be more efficient, maybe this one will make it to export. Maybe France should build some of these little but yet capable boats for itself as only 6 SSN seems rather limiting

Seahour

Its Classified Top Secret SCI, need to know.... :D

Seahour

Outstanding! Your voice over is getting better, not that it wasn't good before! My spine tingled a little while you were talking about the black shark, lol.

TheGreyBaron

Lol I didn’t know about the lawsuit, what a mess! That sounds like something the Chinese would do. It’s a shame too, about that and all the programmatic shenanigans. Out of all the conventional boats right now, the S-80 plus has my favorite propulsion plant concept.

Andrew MacDougall

An undisclosed location in the Nevada desert I'm sure. Headed by a certain Daryll.

Andrew MacDougall

Based on the comments above it seems it was leaked, not de/unclassified.

__Gripen__

And the one in service with the Scorpene isn’t even the latest version: Black Shark Advanced (or NSP: “New Heavyweight Torpedo”) entered service in 2018 on the Italian Navy’s U212A... heavyweight torpedoes are scary weapons.

Nicholas Gross

Aaron, thanks again for sharing your expertise and knowledge. As you were talking about the various navies acquiring some of the latest technologies, you say that "it is great" that they are gaining access to the latest technology. Could you expand on that a little? From what perspective is "it great"? I am not questioning you on this, I just want to know what your perspective is.

Seahour

I am late but, if everything is the same, more screw blades means more thrust. Thus you can turn the screw slower and still maintain what ever speed you wanted. The slower the prop the less noise its makes, less wake it makes etc. And of course the one you always here about is cavitation. If you can turn the screw slower, you can not cavitate at the depth or speed you would of cavitated at before. A bigger screw will also be better than smaller ones. The 3D shape of the blade plays into all this alot, but adding more blades and/or increasing size helps. Btw you can add too many blades to though, most navies find the optimal to be around 7.

Patrick Link

Viva Lula! If he gets elected again I hope he gets to launch the nuclear sub.

Clive Dorer

Small point, completion, not production, by 2022. Although I'm sceptical even of that as the Spainish seem to have outdone the Aussies for sublimely bungled process. The hull is already complete - pity about the missing AIP system...oh wait...

Khy01

I have a friend who lives in Malaysia that I like to talk to about mil stuff. Just recently became interested in the Scorpene and what do ya know, here's a Sub Brief on them!

Jorge Gil

Hello Aaron, Spanish subscriber as far as I’m concerned the Spanish S-80 has already been launched in 2021 and it’s currently in sea trials, any plans on talking about that? BTW awesome brief, thank you