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Guests: Nihal El Aasar and Aamer

Recorded: November 12, 2024

We're joined by friend of the show Aamer and guest Nihal El Aaser to discuss how Israel's Gaza genocide is impacting the Arab masses and Arab states, focusing on Egypt and Bahrain.

*Read Nihal's article "Left-wing Melancholia:The Arab political subject" in ParaPraxis magaine.

Total time: 1:15:02

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Podconsoomer

Can tell it’s gonna be a banga

Connor

Can anyone tell me the name of the Egyptian memoirist Nihal mentioned? About Sadat stabbing the army in the back. Thanks.

David Manson

I think I speak for all of us when I say that I'd be SUPER interested in war nerd eps on the 67 war and the ensuing conflicts.

Ian H

Thinking about the relationship between the Zionist/US imperial interest and the comprador tyrants in the Arab world, I flashed back to the Stuart Seldowitz video where he's telling the poor halal cart guy "Does your father in Egypt like his fingernails? The mukhabarat will tear them out, one by one" and grinning that shit-eating rictus. They fucking get off on the oppression and dysfunction they've brought about, so much.

That Guy

Great episode

Connor

Thanks so much. Really excited to read his memoir thanks to you and RWN!

Connor

What scares me the most is people who legitimately care about oppressed communities in the US looking away for this. I understand a lot of liberal concerns, but to pretend an imagined Hamas position on LGBT justifies the slaughter, collective punishment, and genocide of a whole people is beyond the mental gymnastics I thought possible. I shouldn't, because justifying such atrocities has happened before, but regular people smugly assuring that it's woke to do so really horrifies me.

Roland Thompson

Can someone tell me what the term for the Palestinian concept of accumulation was?

a clash of purple

That's nothing new. Anyone who claims to "legitimately care" about oppressed communities in the United States but is willing to turn a blind eye to America's imperial atrocities shouldn't be taken seriously.

a clash of purple

This episode really goes to show why Israel's claim to being the only democracy in the Middle East isn't anything worth boasting about. All these authoritarian and monarchist regimes were propped up by the Angloids through terror and bloodshed, and every attempt by anyone besides Israel to form a real nation has been violently destroyed. And that's not even mentioning the fact that Israel and America aren't that much more democratic than Iran is.

Ian H

@ Connor if people you know personally are taking that line, that fucking sucks dude. That's awful. I'll say from my own experience that in the restaurant I work in, everyone I've spoken to from the zoomer psych student bartender to the 50-something army veteran dishwasher to us fuckup cooks broadly agrees with what polling says is the American consensus: whatever's going on Over There is bad and it should end. The biggest lib I know, my mom, who enthusiastically voted and phone banked for Kamala, and desperately wanted me to (I live in PA and I did not), has been extremely receptive to learning about Palestine over the past year, from the Nakba to the Great March of Return. The unprecedented growth we've seen in the previously moribund Palestine solidarity movement in the US bears this out. It's obviously cold fucking comfort to the people in Gaza experiencing the genocide, and none of us reichsbürgers are heroes, but I do think there's hope in the evidence that the people, writ large, aren't irredeemable. We're all pulled away from our moral instincts by this rotten fucking country, but most of us still have some degree of empathy and solidarity left.

Ian H

Honestly, guardian council notwithstanding, the last several Iranian presidential elections have been competitive races between ideologically opposed candidates that led to major swings in policy when the office changed hands. You definitely cant say that all of these things are true in Israel or the US over the same span.

xasquim

absolutely

Robert Brečević

Great episode! Interesting that Nasser's legacy is being reassesed. I have noticed a similar tendency in Croatia and other ex-YU countries in regards to Tito. I guess that the founders of the Non-Aligned Movement speak to the notion of personal welfare and national sovereignty in these increasingly imperial times.

Hans Anders

Interesting! In western Europe, I’ve never heard a bad word about Tito from former Yugoslav people. But there’s a selection bias with them or their parents having fled the 90’s wars.

Robert Brečević

Well you are completely right that Tito always retained a good standing among "ordinary people" (working class, lower middle-class) – especially those who have first-hand experience of the welfare state that existed during the period of Tito's rule. This is also the social strata that emigrated to West Europe. Meanwhile state intellectuals, liberals and a fiercly nationalist media have been pushing a different agenda. It has been a couple of confusing decades ;) People sing partisan songs or say how Tito was king in the privacy of their homes (especially after having a rakija or two), but in the official discourse he was a brutal dictator. Though the assesment on the official level appears to be shifting now as well.

Jack Sylvia

Excellent episode! Aamer great as always and hope for further interviews w the very insightful Nihal in the future

a clash of purple

There's a U.S. Grant quote I've been thinking of lately: "Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions." "Progressive" Americans who refuse to think about foreign policy should worry about that.

Isaac Suárez

Great episode- I love this kind of analysis. I’ve been struck by how little our supposed “liberal democrat” leaders ever consider (or even acknowledge) the existence of Arab public opinion- especially when it comes to Israel. This glaring absence speaks to how “inconvenient” the existence of any kind of independent Arab civil society is to US and Israel. For if they were consistent in their supposedly “liberal democratic” principles, they’d have to reckon with the profound unpopularity of Israel across the region. Insofar as Israel can continue to survive in the manner it does, it has to depend on the complicity of autocratic, illegitimate, and brittle regimes in Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.

Matthew Wylder

Great episode. Does anyone have a recommendation for a biography of Nasser?

Zach

John has recommended Nasser: The Last Arab before

Hafiz Celkan

very strong episode. very thoughtful guests.

AG

Respect Nassrallah.

AG

Are Amer and Nihal going to be safe talking with the war nerd?

Tyler Berglund

Great interview. Super informative and the funniest anecdote about a mediocre Egyptian soda.

Garibaldi

Unrelated to this episode but how do I access the discord?

Kendall

New band name: Simping for Kissinger

THEKILLERWHALE

What do you think gang? Shall we blood him in?

Isaac Suárez

One of the profound ironies of US policy in the Middle East is that the one polity with competitive elections and that enjoys the largest rate of female education and workforce participation is some how “undemocratic” nemesis (against whom we side with literal absolute monarchies which quash women’s rights.)

Aditya V

Good episode that clarifies the Arab public opinion. However, the ample usage of a vague word like "imperialism" by the guests should be correlated to what it means in reality - Arab upper middle classes making money off business relationships with Europe, Israel and USA (to lesser extent). This is why Arab TV , print media etc are pro-Israel and not simply because their Govts are censoring them

Allen M

Arab public opinion ranges an entire gamut, just like ours. The biggest source of anger is the current conditions (esp. economic) from the huge demographic youth bulges. Further, no political way to express that anger because of the political repression. It is interesting to see the political thought finally growing out of the cracks. The whole comprador thought of imperialism is simple. What can a people do if the neighbors are tiny, but militarily far superior? As for the people who lose the wars, well nobody ever gets anything beyond sympathy. I speak as the son of one who was a displaced person as a child. The choices of the leadership to keep repressing the people reflects their venal greed, and also the reality that the west will manipulate them into the easy way to "buy" a semblance of peace.

Gary Wall

album titles like: Death Camp for Cambodia

JoR

There's a discord? Where the hell is it? Lol

xnfec

There was an interesting story out of Malaysia doing rounds of Malaysian internet. There had been the usual boycott of Starbucks, MacDonalds etc. until Malaysia gave shelter to a small number of refugees from Palestine. The refugees were somehow ungrateful or misbehaved in some other way and when this was reported in the local media, people went back to Starbucks and MacDonalds - according to the media. I think the Comprador mentality extends throughout a client state. How are the owners of the Egyptian franchises reacting to these boycotts?

Garibaldi

I thought there was

Terry Dunk

very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Nosreffej

And "power is the ultimate aphrodisiac"