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Radio War Nerd EP #500 — The War Nerd of 1812 (Patreon)

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Recorded: February 11, 2025

For our 500th episode (we made it!), the War Nerd discusses one of the least wars of the last few centuries, a war that only a WN could love: The War of 1812.

Maps:Northern theaterChesapeake Bay campaign*Canuck vengeance: Hell hath none like it

Total time: 1:06:05Direct link to this episode's mp3 here

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William

I remember listening to the original episodes, even before they got Brennan in the studio. Which I’ve always wondered about- how he views this rwn journey he’s been brought along on

John Waaben

500 Episodes of hard-fought victories

William

Annexation of Canada pt2: otherwise known as national lampoon’s MAGA vacation

William

Iirc, The guy who invented the steam engine tried to sell the idea to the French first, got a tepid response, and went over to britian; napoleon couldve had steam powered barges

Mangomoosh

Sad to say, I learned very little about this war, even while growing up in northern Indiana. So I’ve been educating myself. Thanks for the help! The battle of Tippecanoe in 1811 is especially decisive and gut wrenching.

Mangomoosh

The sun is my father. The Earth is my mother and on her bosom I will recline….The great spirit has given all the country as common property to all the tribes; We have been driven from the banks of the Delaware, across the Alleghenies, and our possessions on the Wabash, and the Illinois are now to be taken from us. Like galloping horses our tribes have been driven towards the setting sun, -as for myself and my war, we have determined to resist any further aggression of the whites. — Chief Tecumseh to General William Henry Harrison at Vincennes 1810.

Hazel, the crazy goat lady on yonder hill

I do want to say in defense of little old rhode island, they were the most radical of the thirteen colonies, first to grant religious freedom, one of the first in ending slavery, had stable paper money, and only ratified the constitution after congress threatened to blockade the state. Now its worth remembering that Newport is also a deepwater port and around this time it was a mugs game between newport and newyork on who was going to become the big deep water port of the northern US, New York had pulled ahead after the revolutionary war, and Rhode Island would never catch up, slowly withering and ossifying, but no one knew that in 1812. So, the idea of succeeding to become a northern trade hub isn't as crazy as you might think.

Matt D

I’m in my mid 40s, but didn’t really become that politically aware until around the 08 financial crisis and I didn’t know Mark and John’s work until the 2010s. I found the show around episode 10 and this is the only podcast that I’ve listened to every episode. Not sure how much of the information has stayed in my head, but enough to help formulate an understanding of how this fucked up world we live in works. Congrats on 500, and I hope the show goes on for many more years.

NYCM&AHole

Hey look at all the fuckin’ aussies who take American acting jobs. Not surprised the brits could sneak a few past some Americans using a southern accent.

HarshMalarkey

1812, one of the least war wars of all time

Elmer Studd

Everett talks about this on his Age of Napoleon podcast!

drizzly_november

Yeah, the mercantile New England states had legit arguments for why they'd be better off on their own. But don't sell Rhode Island's sleaze short, Newport was the one of the biggest slave ports on the continent. To paraphrase John's quip about the British, you'd think New England built up the slave trade just to take credit for ending it.

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Saw John Paul Jones play at the Xmas jam in Asheville close to 20 years ago now with Warren Haynes. Entire zeppelin set. Was incredible. JPJ is an incredibly underrated musician.

Mortimer Clue

as someone from the north coast of Ohio who likes the Aubrey/Maturin novels, let me say this is one of the most wars of all time

Standing the Gaff

Thank you Mark and John for covering this war. I look forward to listening to it. As a reading, I strongly recommend the book "Tecumseh & Brock: The War of 1812" by the late James Laxer. It was the last book he wrote, I believe. Laxer was one of the impressive young leaders (a red diaper baby) of the Movement for an Independent Socialist Canada, known as "The Waffle", that tried to turn the social democratic NDP to the left. The Waffle was founded in 1969 and was such a threat to the party establishment and labour bureaucracy, that it was purged from the NDP in 1972. Laxer wrote a lot of subsequent books on imperialism, Canadian political economy, history and the stellar and prescient 1996 obituary for the Canadian left, "In Search of a New Left".

Brian Brain

Congrats on the 500 Mark and John. This is one of my most cherished parasocial relations and I can't wait for 500 more. Thanks for all you do. As a USA'r living in the city of Ghent, I went on a walk here during COVID with a British friend and he took us to the plaque outside the building where the Treaty of Ghent was negotiated and signed. This plaque is on the outside of building that is now a retail women's clothing store called Stradivarius. It is on the central shopping street. Not sure if there is much symbolism in it. Anyways, cheers fellas.

a clash of purple

🎉🎊500th episode! woooo!🎊🎉 sic transit gloria mundi sed artifex belli manet in aeternum

Hilary is Pant-suited Syphilis

Congrats. Propagandhi called it “A new iron curtain drawn across the 49th parallel. Cut all diplomatic ties as we expel all American dignitaries and issue a nation-wide travel advisory for any others left inside. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. The burned out shells of south-bound traffic lay strewn along a cold stretch of would-be interstate. Still visible below their charred remains: Pax Americana plates. Your stupid fucking laser-pucks™ were just the start. And while you may stand six full cubits and a span, we got a shepherd’s sling and five stones in our hand and the battle of 1812 lives in our hearts. We don’t care if we’re destroyed. We’ll never capitulate. We’ll take the whole fucking world down with us in flames”

peter c donahue

BTW Age Of Empires 111 is the only popculture reference I remember, are there any other games,books, movies that represent?

Terry Dunk

Happy bimilleniale RWN. I will celebrate via the time honored tradition of complaining in the comments. For one, Napoléon did think of invading Britain and had the entire grande armée poised to do so when his combined Franco Spanish fleet was caught en route to screen the crossing and destroyed at Cape Trafalgar, one of the most lopsided naval defeats in history. So it's not like it didn't occur to him. Invading Russia to enforce the embargo was the best of (or at least one of) the bad options remaining to him afterwards. Also, I need to register my dissatisfaction with the Kronstadt sailors catching strays. There may be unwarranted russophilia but it ain't in big upping those guys!

JoR

🇨🇩💥🇷🇼❓

drizzly_november

The guy who made Peaky Blinders had a pretty bad series with Tom Hardy, Taboo, that revolves around a disputed bit of Pacific Northwest coast during the War of 1812. Trashy, confused show, but the premise was interesting. One of the Aubrey-Maturin novels centers on the USS Constitution vs. HMS Java battle, and has Aubrey holed up as POW in Boston during the war. Beyond that there's not much.

drizzly_november

Yeah, definitely. Also misleading to say RI was gonna strike out on its own, MA and CT were leading the secessionist movement. An independent New England could've had a swinging chance.

Jonathan Penn

Adding my congratulations on your 500th episode. Your podcast has been a wonderful source of information and insight and a powerful antidote to the anodyne nonsense of the mainstream media, notably the NYT. I hope you do another 500 episodes (and I hope I live long enough to hear them!) Ad astra, per aspera (honest, someone else went latin first...)!

Patrick Burke

Obligatory hey Rhode Island mentioned! Congrats on 500 amazing episodes

Garibaldi

Can't say I entirely agree with the Stalin's purge comments. While there were absolutely some military leadership who did need to go, the primary result was the execution of Tukhachevsky and the solidification of Budyonny's power. Tukhachevsky was one of the most skilled and visionary Red Army leaders, and likely would have won the Polish-Soviet war was it not for Budyonny's sabotage. Budyonny had early success in the Civil War leading the Red Calvary, but was grossly incompetent overall and largely remained in command due to Stalin's protection. Tukhachevsky's execution leads directly to the horrifc failures during Barbarossa, and Budyonny's historically unprecedented encirclement at Kiev.

Benjamin Glover

been here since the albanian mcdonald's wifi days, i ain't going nowhere

Doug Cartel

There was that insane video of a clearly American dude explaining to his merc squad how to kill retreating ukrainian soldiers through organized retrogrades etc, I feel like they would be right at home in nerzarim

Doug Cartel

Re: stalinist purges, that does remind me of Downfall when Bruno Ganz shouts about how he should have purged the OKH like stalin did to his

Philip Girvan

Well done, John & Mark. War Nerd has been a consistent breath of fresh air beginning with the first eXile article in early 2002. Your intelligence and humor were invaluable during those horrible bleak Bush years. Grateful that you continue to inflict and endure. To 500 more!

Alex

Cockburn famously the ancestor of former RWN guest and Harper’s DC editor Andrew Cockburn

That Guy

Woo-hoo! Free book!

Tammy

Congrats on 500!

kevin brannigan

A 1798 rebellion series would be amazing.

IRIDYSCENZIA

You're so creative. Keep being awesome 🤩

Nauvoo Legionarrie

Congrats on 500 episodes! This is such a great podcast. I've been following you guys since a wee boy visiting exile.ru on my dial up modem.

Nauvoo Legionarrie

Hopefully you can take a tiny solace that ol' Tippecanoe himself, William Henry Harrison, gave an innaguration speech so long he caught the flu and died in office

Danny

Congratulations on the big 5 0 0

RLD

Congrats on 500! I’ve been a listener back to maybe year 2 of the show. Surprised given the shared origins of our hosts there hasn’t been an episode on San Francisco and UC Berkeley’s role in early 20th century American power. I became fixated on this as a show topic after reading Gray Brechin’s Imperial San Francisco: Urban Power Earthly Ruin.

David Andrews

Congratulations, gentlemen. I enjoy and appreciate your hard work.

Kawaii Leonard

Mark’s kids are gonna be the Steph Curries of War Nerds, getting to see War or 1812 re-enactments from an early age

Lord-Admiral of the Pyrenees

Modern Canada is nothing but a bunch of fat, Ford F150 driving suburbanites. This time it really would be a push over

Ciarán McKenna

Congrats on 500 episodes, heres to 500 more. RWN has been a sanity saver these past 15 months. Great discussion on the Royal Navy mutinies in the late 18th century. Something ruthlessly suppressed in British history. There is a scene in the 2003 film 'Master and Commander' where the Russell Crowe character, just before the British naval vessel engages their French opponent, shouts out 'Do you want to see a guillotine on Picadlly?' and the crew shouts in unison 'No!!!!' and the Crowe character then shouts 'Do you want your children to sing the Marseillaise?' and the crew responds 'No!!'. Always struck me as bullshit given the degree to which the English working class of the time sympathised with France and broadly republican ideas.

THEKILLERWHALE

Great episode gang. Just a slight correction on the historical record. Napoleon was not, in fact, a pretty good movie.

THEKILLERWHALE

I have some bad news for you about modern America ...

Broadway Joe

I live in Toledo, Ohio and the War of 1812 is pretty big around here. Several historic sites and forts in the area. I went up to River Raisin National Battlefield Park a couple weeks ago. Reenactors did a tactical demonstration and there was a lecture on the River Raisin massacre and the Siege of Fort Meigs. The speaker noted how useless the Kentucky militia were in relieving the siege against the British-Native forces.

Science Bitch

Someone take John aside and explain the difference between a ship of the line and a frigate

drizzly_november

One good thing you can say, Ridley Scott really wants you to know what a cannonball can do to the human body.

Lord-Admiral of the Pyrenees

By the way totally disagree with the idea that it would be the “Oaf Overseers” who would be mostly for annexation. These people get to run their own country why would they want to be reduced to running a mere US state (and probably have carpetbaggers from down south horning in)? You already see it with people like Andrew Coyne (son of former central bank governor and bland Canadian pro-market commentator — ie an overseer if there ever was one)

Lord-Admiral of the Pyrenees

Yeah but they’re the attackers they just need to send a couple of platoons of special forces maniacs north

Ian H

I'm very familiar with the upper Delmarva peninsula, back before the C&D canal was built Frenchtown was a crucial transit point between Baltimore/DC and Philadelphia. If you look at the (now abandoned) spot where it was located (39.5769195, -75.8390757) it's pretty much the closest navigable point on the bay side to the Delaware River, so freight and passengers would unload at Frenchtown wharf for a brief land trip and get back on a boat at New Castle DE. That defunct passage later became an underground railroad route, bypassing the heavily patrolled canal.

Vic Lineal

Congratulations on those 500 episodes!

Mark Ames

No, but the war scenes were good, and Joaquin Phoenix's vengeful cuckold was an interesting twist for part of the film. Otherwise yeah it was just a bunch of scenes and sets.

Peter Fahnestock

Where can one currently find the War Nerd's "Twelve Days of 1812" series, now that NSFWcorp's website is kaput?

Ander Pierce

100% dependent on your subscribers, but my subscription is 100% dependent on your years of consistent and quality content 💕 Been subbed since undergrad, with only the occasional lapse due to unemployment. Plan to be subbed til death do we part