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Guest: Aamer, podcaster & writer

Recorded: October 7, 2020

We're back with Aamer for Part 2 in our series on the Arab Conquests in the 7th-8th centuries. In Part I (EP #246) we learned about pre-Islamic history of the Arabian peninsula & the rise of Muhammad and Islam through Muhammad's death in 632. In Part II, it's all war gore: the turbulent succession after Muhammad's death, the brief reign of Abu Bakr, the lightening expansion of the new Islamic empire throughout the Arab peninsula and into modern-day Iraq and Syria, taking on both the Sassanid Empire and Byzantium Empire. 

First: the Nerd and Ames sound off on the sorry state of US presidential politics...

At 23:40 - Aamer joins us to for Part II of the Arab Conquests.

*Maps

*Ridda Wars, 632 

*Battle of Chains vs Sassanids (Kuzima, modern-day Kuwait)

*Muslim invasion of Byzantine Syria, 634

*Battle of Yarmouk vs Byzantines

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Total time: 2:24:21

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here 

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Jimothy Realname

bernie would have won in 2016. all of this could have been prevented...

Dorst Savijeski

Don't want to do disservice to the podcast but what's up with cynical nihilism as a political thought? Regarding what you see as dumb baroness. I think Mark is right the gatekeeping function that the Clinton establishment left behind is going to obsolve itself or the party

Thomas

"obsolve"?

Thomas

>Radio Squid Jigger Cool that patronage politics in one state can be used to indicate that "(bernie couldn't) get black folks behind (his) campaign,". What segment of Black folks? 60+ year old church folk? Cool! Let's use that as a barometer for all black people! Fuck policies, vote for the Great Incarcerator!

Rich

The interview was good, the opening political discussion was not. Both Mark and John seem to not understand politics in the usa, although st least John is honest enough to admit what he doesn't know. Immigration is an economic issue.

Jimothy Realname

in 2050, as I'm being hacked to death with a machete in a dispute over a can of beans, I will take comfort in the fact that Joe Biden earned black people's vote

Ander Pierce

I disagree with Ames, I have a hunch that Trump is gonna win this one too. Trump land isn’t any less enthusiastic about their guy, and Biden is still garbage.

Ander Pierce

2016 lowered my faith in US polls, and Bernie’s defeat shattered it

Ander Pierce

Maybe it is, but it’s also a deeply cultural one. And the right *loves* having a man in office who will make those damn migrants hurt

Haemu

When have the views of this podcast concerning anything to do with foreign policy been anything but disgusted with and opposed to the policies of politicians like Biden or Hillary?

a clash of purple

It is an economic issue, and in the United States as in most places I can think of economics is intimately tied to race relations. Rationally, if you want to get a better deal as a worker, you should make common cause with migrant workers, not minimize and terrorize them. But as far as I know that's never happened. Loyalty to your own race and/or sect always seems to come before solidarity with your fellow workers, even if that means cutting your own throat.

a clash of purple

I think the only thing the ruling class cared about was to stop Bernie from becoming president. Beyond that, I don't think any of them will put forth any real effort to swing the election one way or the other. So this one really is a coin-flip, in my opinion. No matter who wins in 2020, someone a lot worse than Trump will become president in 2024, if not sooner, and I expect the Republicans will make big gains in the Congress once this tepid anti-Trump wave peters out.

Scorched Earth

Mark Twain said: “If voting really did make a difference, they would never let us do it.”

Victims of Social Democracy

I agree, Joe is simply an undefeated champion in getting black folks behind stuff. Like bars.

Dorst Savijeski

@squidie Please look up these experimental examples where the crew who is proud to pay rent and got into gatekeeping failed. Macrons energie policy --> yelowvests, Biden --> street unrest, trojka --> hard on greece bad for the euro and greeks, etc.... and excusi become obsolote. Walk that way hombre

Matthew C

Did you expect this group to be filled with party-line Democrats? If anything i imagine a lot of people here are to the left of bernie. Also "getting black support" isnt enough if the entire party apparatus is trying to suppress your campaign, and really that is on bernie for being too weak and accepting of the Democrat civility policing which was weaponized against him to great affect

Cade Jameson

I think about these poor saps carrying these heavy chains into battle which inevitably weighted them down. “You think these are for prisoners?” Hmmm, we’re not going to be ransoming that many people. ...

J P 3

I think it's gonna be Biden by at least 7 nationally, which should be enough to put him over the top in the electoral college. The thing with Clinton is that she only had one poll in October 2016 that had her at or above 50%. All of Biden's polls are showing above the threshold and most have him around 52%, which gives him a margin. Unlike Clinton he has a positive net favorable rating too. Absent COVID-19, Trump would probably be positioned to win re-election, but unlike 2016, this election will be a referendum on him, not his opponent. In 2016 Trump could promise all things to all people, because he was a cipher without any real political history. Now he has a political history. I've been struck as well by the way that Trump's 2020 campaign has really reprised the losing Clinton campaign. e.g. attacking potential voters and effectively corralling weak support to his opponent (with Clinton it was the "irredeemables and deplorables" with Trump it's his attacks against the left). Biden has major liabilities, but his liabilities are masked by Trump in much the same way that Clinton's liabilities obscured Trump's liabilities. e.g. both Clinton and Trump were super-wealthy New Yorkers, Clinton was more of a political insider, but it's not so easy to play that card as an incumbent president. Biden is an insider, but now, in a way Trump is too. If a critical mass of people are unhappy with the status quo, the incumbent typically gets the blame. Trump is just flalling this time going after things like Biden's college transcripts and claiming that Biden didn't go to elite schools (which had the same effect as Clinton's attack on Trump for not being a "real billionaire" -- it just makes the other peson more relatable). I agree with this broader point that the American people are likely to be the biggest losers out of all of this. We get Woke Oligarchy instead of Reactionary Oligarchy. If the Dems wanted to start undoing the Reagan Revolution, they'll have the votes in Congress and the White House, but I think it's more likely that they will just reprise 2008-2010. The GOP and conservatives have an actual political project (undoing the New Deal regulatory state and the New Deal and Great Society social safety nets, while entrenching oligarchy). The people who have the most power in the Dem party have no problem with the oligarchy, they would just prefer a kinder, gentler tone, and more diverse optics.

Ander Pierce

Your analysis is spot on. I felt dirty turning in a vote for Biden, but my migrant friends stuck in the COVID induced visa freeze convinced me to.

Nicknimh

Bernie's loss didn't really refute any polls, though. Polls predicted South Carolina pretty well, and the events which transpired after made all the Super Tuesday polls irrelevant.

Violence Jones

Great episode. There's a moment when they're talking about Abu Bakr al Baghdadi and then Aamer says "most Muslims pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr" and i was like "What??? ...Wait..."