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Radio War Nerd #323 — The US Civil War, Part 8: Thomas, Hood & Southern Honor (Patreon)

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2022-03-31 19:57:19
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Recorded: March 28, 2022

After a (too) long break from our US Civil War series, the War Nerd returns with a fresh episode on the final major campaign of the Western Theater in Tennessee, and the two  generals who couldn't have been more different: Virginia-born Union Gen. George Thomas, and the "gallant" young Confederate Gen. John Bell "Sam" Hood. 

Map: The Franklin-Nashville Campaign, 1864 

Previous RWN US Civil War episodes:

*EP #295: The US Civil War, Part 1: Count Adam Gurowski*EP #297: The US Civil War, Part 2: Bleeding Kansas*EP #300: The US Civil War, Part 3: First Battle of Bull Run*EP #303: The US Civil War, Part 4: McClellan, Treason & The Battle of Antietam*EP #307: The US Civil War, Part 5: Vicksburg*EP #311: The US Civil War, Part 6: Buchanan's Treason & The Mormon War*EP #315: The US Civil War, Part 7: German '48ers, with Matt Christman

Buy John Dolan's book "The War Nerd Iliad" & his audiobook "Pleasant Hell".

Total time: 1:29:38

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here 

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Normica

Celebrating April Fool’s Day at The Lieutenant’s Pump. That’s perfect. I hope it was one of those interactive live shows. I’m picturing the first few rows as a “splash zone”.

Wesley

I listen to this episode often for comfort when I despair of my country. What’s left of my desolate kingdom id trade for an ep about phil Sheridan

Greg

About time lol thanks fellas

Steven P Schiesser

Thank you, George Thomas is a special story! Someone should make a movie about this guy!

Dave Dolle

Ahhhh, I will enjoy this. Thank You.

HarshMalarkey

15 minutes in and we're challenging the legacy of Virginia? You're out of your depth mister. Have a nice day.

Hello!

For some reason last episode gave me the impression we'd only be getting Ukraine stuff for a while but glad I was wrong

Ander Pierce

Episode 8 of the civil war? Fk yeah

Gary Alexander

The belated, futile, revealing intra-Confederate debate to recruit and arm slaves was something I researched as an undergrad. Davis so thoroughly suppressed Cleburne's proposal that documentary evidence for it wasn't discovered until years after the end of the war.

Cameron Young

Whoooo yeah take me to Vicksburg!!!

SammyG

Great episode i hope you guys have carl on for another china taiwan ep again soon too

Simon

Please listen to Scott Ritter, ex-Marine involved in the exact same tactics in Iraq being used now by Putin. Then he was an intel analyst after that who, i think, served in Russia for a bit. Was then a UN Weapons Inspector. And he's not a sellout to the MIC. So what he says bears listening on this particular war. And he's been on 3 different interviews just this week alone speaking on this situation in Ukraine. You should have him on. The interviews he's been on are on very diverse podcasters, so he's very approachable.

ATH409

That would be awesome, haven’t heard from Carl on here in a while.

Bob Dole

Ames is right in reminding us that war crime #1 is invasion. Everything after is just a consequence of that

Jacob Bucci

One of the generals who broke Pickett's charge, George J. Stannard, has a sweet headstone statue overlooking Lake Champlain in Burlington, VT. Missing arm and all. VT was well represented in the Union Army, but would later sanction more forced sterilizations per capita than anyone else during America's "progressive eugenics" phase that ended mysteriously around WWII. VT's top acolyte in this field, George Henry Perkins, is even tucked away in the same cemetery as Ethan Allen. What I'm trying to say is I should've went to MTL for the meetup, but if you ever come south the drinks and cemetery tours are on me.

Ross Kiro-Ward

I was really hoping this show would keep an objective view on the conflict in Ukraine but perhaps there is too much emotion involved from the hosts. If that’s the case then it’s fine but just come out and say so. The justification for the torture of POW’s at the end was extremely disturbing. Not gonna lie, I was really shocked by that Mark.

Trevor

Virginia is glorious

William Brame

You don’t think the poisoning was MI6?

Mark Ames

We owe Houston an apology tour. Even though it's ass.

Crosley Querin

Chucked my patreon on and saw the Civil War series back, such a strange mind bleach from the current situation.

J P 3

The stronger argument is less about what should happen to the soldiers and more about what should happen to the political leadership. I think most people would agree that the use of violence is justified in the narrow case of self-defense. The burden is much higher when we are talking about any kind of a "preventative" war of choice. This is especially true when the preventative war of choice involves a justification on the basis of some amorphous threat. i.e. a threat that is not imminent. If the goal is to justify Putin's stupid war, invoking anything having to do with the Iraq invasion is the beginning of a losing argument.

ATH409

I don’t agree at all. Russian civilians, and POWs, do not deserve to suffer and be tortured because of the decisions of a political elite. And I’m kind of disappointed Mark would suggest something like that. All war crimes are bad, Ukraine doesn’t get a pass because they’re getting invaded, that’s not how morals work.

Lo

Please listen to Scott Ritter, a guy who is required by law to explain some things to the parents in the neighborhood whenever he moves.

Steven Thomas

Interesting tie in I found (since your post sent me off Googling) part of the reason was the high rate of "deficiencies" in Vermont draftees in WWI.

Steven Thomas

And in an even more bizarre tie in, they largely blamed it on the French. Sorry Montreal. Full quote below.

Steven Thomas

"Precipitating Factors and Processes According to the United States Army’s Draft Board Exams administered to men drafted into the Army in 1917, Vermont had the second highest “defect rate” in the nation (Gallagher, pp. 39-40). Most of these, Public Health Secretary Dr. Charles Dalton argued, could have been prevented if they had been discovered and treated in early childhood. Others wondered if "poor inheritance" had contributed to the apparent "inefficiency" of Vermont's draftees (see Greenberg/Gallagher for further information). At a time when Vermont’s population was stagnant, and agricultural towns seemed to be in decline, and the native Yankee stock was perceived to be replaced by alien French Canadians, such perceptions in the 1920s fed into concerns about Vermont’s backwardness and the decline of a population of a state that prided itself for its self-reliance and ruggedness (Gallagher, pp. 39-45). As part of the agenda of social progressivism, social services were expanded to assist, support, and help educate the disabled, ill, and poor, but this social-scientific approach to social problems also included support for restricting the reproduction of those considered “unfit.”"

Chuck Petras

Here's a little known big factor in the defeat of the confederacy. Salt. It's been a while since I've read this book, but each horse needed 5 pounds of salt per day, the south couldn't meet this, so their war machine slowly ground to a halt. https://amzn.to/3khbsqL