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The Deprogram Episode 3 - Reform or Revolution (Patreon)

Published:
2021-11-20 15:11:56
Edited:
2021-11-29 17:52:50
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2026-06
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Thank you all for being the first ones to encourage this new project of ours! It's truly appreciated. Here's the first early episode release. Expect a new one every 7 days before everyone else. This week we dive into a long debated discussion, and throw our 2 cents at it. Wait. There's three of us so it's more like 6 cents. 

Thank you again for your support,

Yugo, JT and Hakim

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PillgrimUr

I 💚♥️🥒🍆🖤🤎💙🧡 the end of this episode 💕😂

Sofisaddidi

This episode hits different after Luigi Mangione voted with his bullet 🤣

Southern Comrade ☭

Y'all kick ass! How bout some Tamburitza intro/outro music for some internationalist flava? Perhaps some Skertich Brothers? 😁 On a serious note and regarding those with an aversion to violence, I would ask how on Earth are socialist revolutionaries to combat a white capitalist ruling class that routinely relies on racist right-winged vigilantes to stabilize their system?

Paul Cleenewerck

Thank you guys, it's heartwarming to see three great Marxist YouTubers allying. I only knew about Second thoughts but was amazed by Hakim and Yogop as well. While I usually listen more to official intellectuals like philosophers, anthropologists etc... I find it refreshing to see people talking about Marxism in really day to day practical manners, accessible to all. Glad to support you fellas. We're all in this together. By the way, I am French and I would like to recommend you guys to take a look to two popular marxist thinkers (but little known internationally: - Bernard Friot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Friot who's trying to show that in many instances, communism is already here and working, and recommending an unconditional lifetime salary to everyone based on qualifications - Michel Clouscard: a fantastic philosopher who wrote a lot about how capitalism manipulates through pseudo emancipatory seduction techniques and more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Clouscard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcHL6JGDcAs

Kevin P

Fucking brilliant. I hope my meager $5 contribution encourages you to keep this going and contribute to Yugopnik's BMW maintenance fund.

Diego Maidana

"What the fuck is a material interest? what are you a fucking communist?" lmao

KarShart

To add to this, it might be good to express the importance of arming the left. Too many people say we will just become the right if we take up physical arms.

Ryan

@1:02:09: "One could even argue that your active inaction is more violent than the violent pursuit of change"

wheezy

Great episode. I'd love to see this topic returned to in the future. It did focus a lot on the problems with reform and then basically went into Revolution is therefore the only way. I don't disagree, but I'd love to hear more discussion on the problems with Revolution and how they can be combatted. Basically, a follow up with "Revolution: how?" and "Revolution: now what?" would be great episode topics.

Andrea

I am, as usual in every aspect of my life, very late with my comment. No, it has nothing to do with the fact that I'm Italian (for those unaware of the stereotype, we are notoriously always late). Anyway. Regarding the "market socialism" section, I only wanted to add something to the discussion, which I think is quite important, especially to explain the position so many American socialists take. And that is that IF there is ONE place where market socialism COULD in reality really work, that is precisely the US. The point I am trying to make is not one of "because they are so much better at doing things", nor "because their productive system is more advanced", or even of some sylicon Valley techy propaganda about AI or stuff. Market socialism could theoretically work in the US only because of the so-called "exorbitant privilege" (there is also a Wikipedia page about it!) that the US exploits on the rest of the world. That privilege relates to the capacity to basically enjoy an endless amount of debt by creating money out of thin air. The theory is much more complex than this, but it basically means that the US can continue to create debt (and also transform that debt into a financial asset) that will never cause bankruptcy to the US super-state, while at the same time forcing the rest of the world to pay some sort of rent to the US. So, if coops in an hypothetical post revolution, market socialist USA, get file for bankruptcy, the Fed could easily and endlessly bail them out. There is a catch though: they would be able to do this only if they maintain their imperialist and exploitative position on the rest of the world. So there you go, you created an imperialist oppressive socialist market economy. And I think those who think they can make the US a market socialist economy, do that because they see the US government is actually doing the same thing with "crony capitalist" corporations. So their thinking goes "why not in a socialist way"? Well, because, again, this is possible only due to the exorbitant privilege and imperialist thing.