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DBZ Episode 230 (Patreon)

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2023-01-05 18:25:05
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2026-06

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Smitty232

IMO, Vegeta won the first fight against Goku. After the beam struggle, Goku was finished. Vegeta didn’t realize that he was done for. That’s why he reverted to his ape form

Ivan S

Yes, in the original manga Vegeta says " I have to go train". Not "I will never fight again" Funimation loves ad-libbing their own dumb lines, which takes away from the story.

Gabriel

Lets goooo!!!!

Alexsex

ayeeeeeeee

Humble0721

The arc goes DUMMY from here on out.

Izzy

Talk about earlier !!! Lol

Trey

One of my favorite episodes I’m so hype😤😤🔥🔥

Enrique Pena

Yes let’s freaking go!!! 😎🦾🔥🔥🔥 One of the best epic fights ever in history!! 🤩👍🔥🔥🔥

Aisiah McDonald

Top 3 Fights in entire series!!! And the fighting in next episode elevates 100x 🤞🏾🤞🏾

Tufoin Productions

The never fighting again part from Vegeta is in the manga.

Sean Scott

Yeah I Agree with Mike's comment above. Even as a kid I never understood Vegeta's obsession over having been beaten by Goku. Goku has never actually beaten a single character in all of DBZ up to this point.

Sean Scott

Raditz: killed by Piccolo Nappa: killed by Vegeta Qui: killed by Vegeta

Robbie Pedota

I feel like - and this is just a suggestion, that maybe going live on Patreon and watching 2-3 episodes live so we can get Madison’s reaction live would be an awesome idea - when you are both settled of course. Maybe in super or end of buu saga

Sean Scott

Vegeta: team effort needimg yajarobi, g

Sean Scott

Krillin, goku, and the final blow came from great ape gohan

Sean Scott

And it goes on like that, zarbon, dedoria, and all the ginyus were killed by vegeta, android 16 killed by cell, cell killed by Gohan with a clutch assist from vegeta....

Ryan

Would you guys consider reacting to dragon ball z abridged by team four star once you’ve finished the series ? It’s an absolute bomb and you both would love it if you haven’t watched!!

Jay

Idk why Vegeta says he lost to Goku he literally beat him in their first fight, if anything bro lost to Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe but between him and Goku he left him crippled 🙃

Saicho

Vegeta did change during the 7 years and was able to do SOME inner work during times of peace, but only because Goku was dead and wasn't around to remind him of his failures. He still hadn't let go of his deepest demon. It only took a day of Goku coming back for Vegeta to wanna prove his point and try and reclaim his pride by any means necessary. For Goku this is just another fight against a great opponent that he always respected. For Vegeta, this is as much of a therapy session as it is the fight of his life.

Caspar

Let's take a moment to remember the beating that Vegeta took in the Sayain Saga - Goku with kaioken x3 beat the crap outta him - Goku's Kamehemeha with kaioken x4 wins the beam struggle - Yajirobi cuts off his tail - He gets hit with the spirit bomb and falls back down to the earth - Yajirobi cuts him in the back with sword - Giant ape Gohan crushed him And Vegeta still lived through all that. Certified Badman

Prgy

7 more episodes can't wait for my favourite DBZ moment...

Jon

anakin vs obi wan vibes haha

Gohanks

Loved the reaction. I wouldn’t say that Vegeta’s fate has always been his fault. Think of it from his perspective- Frieza literally destroyed his home planet and enslaved him. I’m not defending his actions one bit, and no doubt he was evil, but his internal conflict relating to his Saiyan heritage as opposed to Goku makes sense. Goku was not raised like a typical Saiyan. He was lucky to have a great mentor and father figure in Grandpa Gohan, as well as a great teacher like Roshi. Vegeta on the other hand has only seen death and destruction his whole life. A lot of people love Vegeta’s character because of the fact that he’s always the underdog but still fights like a true warrior. Like Vegeta, most of us have internal conflict and have to find a way to overcome it. Imagine you always put your life and soul into something, yet were rendered insignificant each time by someone else. For Vegeta especially, this is unacceptable because as he says absolute power is the only thing he has known his whole life. Is Vegeta flawed? Without doubt. But without him Dragon Ball Z would purely be a one- dimensional show. The Goku-Vegeta duality is what elevates the show IMO.

Rich W

This fight wasn’t all it was cracked out to be. Especially since goku could’ve gone ssj3 and just destroyed majin vegeta. In hindsight that really makes this fight not as good.

Gohanks
>>98985587

But you have to remember that SSJ3 was not invented at the time of this fight. So it was still high stakes then.

Rich W
>>98985587

Well toriyama didn’t introduce it. But goku could very easily have pulled it out for this. So it still kinda kills the tension I’d say.

Gohanks
>>98985587

That’s probably true. I guess Goku using SSJ3 would not have changed too much, now that I look at it. If he had gone SSJ3, the massive energy would have contributed to Buu’s revival anyway. Also, Goku himself says later on that he didn’t kill Fat Buu because he wanted to give the other Z fighters a chance to shine. So the use of SSJ3 would change very little. Of course if Goku leaves Vegeta conscious, they could defeat Buu together. I think my issue with SSJ3 is that it serves little to no purpose in the arc. Against Fat Buu, it is only used to buy time for the boys. Against Super Buu it’s useless. Sure, there’s Gotenks, but that’s literally a gag character. And against Kid Buu, the Spirit Bomb does the job.

Saiyan

I can see it in Madison’s face, she’s like everyother fan, when you start to switch from goku to vegeta

Gohanks
>>98986999

I think she will start to appreciate Vegeta more after the atonement scene. There may be a lot of plot holes in the Buu saga, but Vegeta’s character development is certainly not one of them.

Gohanks
>>98982914

Exactly lol. Vegeta was a beast back then. His controlled Oozaru was too much for Goku alone. I wonder why he didn’t wish for his tail using the Dragon Balls. If he went SSJ2 Oozaru, even SSJ3 (a 2x multiplier over SSJ2) would be insufficient to win.

ChiePet

Depends, i think using it wouldve been too much for goku and either ruined hus remaining time on earth or been too short to matter enough.

Hichem 93

The buu saga is my favorite by far imo

donald johnson

sure vegetas attack helped them defeat cell, but perfect cell was his fault to begin with. majin buu was also his fault. and he's unremorseful about both. vegeta deserves the pain coming to him.

Eric M Brown
>>98982914

Its actually because Vegeta still considers it a loss because on Japanese culture your children are viewed in many cases as an extension of yourself and thus since Goku and his "extensions" still beat him it's possible Vegeta still considers it a loss.

James Pierce
>>98985587

@Gohanks Very true. Super Saiyan 3 is one of the most hype transformations in DBZ history, but in terms of its actual impact to the plot, it is completely worthless. It's one of the Buu saga's big shortcomings, introducing concepts like SSJ3 and Fusion which are totally inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

Rich W
>>98985587

So has super Saiyan three. it has accomplished nothing aside from the movies. The only time it actually does something is stall boo for a little bit and drain Goku’s energy in the final fight against pure buu. It has a better showing in the hiredugarn movie

Rich W
>>98985587

Fusion did the same thing as well. It’s just a tactic to create merchandise inventory. Toriyama knew that that’s why they create Vegito blue and gogeta blue as well as SSJ3 gotenks. The only time fusion actually does something is in the fusion reborn movie or you could argue Broly super movie.

DBZ Petty Fanatic

Oh dear Madison….you are in for it now…everything going forward is about to be crazy

James Pierce

I love this episode simply because it remembered Vegeta's Galick Gun. Final Flash and Big Bang were the new hotness attacks he brought out, but GG is his original finisher. Madison's right. Vegeta DOES have a lot he needs to work through. It's a long time away, but I wonder how she'll react when she hears that epic monologue. "Perhaps it is my anger that's made me blind to the truth for so long. I see it now. This day has made it all too clear. You're better than me, Kakarot. You are the best."

Rich Cassou

Vegeta has never lost to Goku he defeated him in the Saiyan saga and literally broke all of his bones. It was Gohan and Krillen who beat Vegeta in the Saiyan saga.

Jyrone Reyes

Vegeta almost made goku see his point lol 😆 sorry not sorry I had to do it

TJ Williams

I remember watching this entire thing and it really looked like at times goku dropped out of ssj2 to ssj1 a bunch kinda like he was still thinking about vegetas pride 🤦🏽‍♂️

Citrusblurz

There's something important to note here. Vegeta always felt shame that he had to rely on the Oozaru form to best Goku. Up until that point, Goku had indeed bested Vegeta. He even laments at how Goku's power was greater than his. Their beam clash showcased this.

Ninja4christ117

Amazing stuff as always. Amazing episodes! And only a few to go before A legendary moment. And of course just 15 episodes to go until THAT moment.

NOMMY
>>98993379

Vegeta didn't know the nature of kaioken though.. after that beam struggle, if Vegeta didn't transform he would've trashed Goku because Goku's body was messed up. Stamina wise Goku would've lost either way

Erik Munoz

Don’t know when Vegeta was ever defeated by Goku. Last I checked needing the help of Gohan, Krillin and Yarjorobe isn’t exactly beating him in a 1-on-1. Especially when Goku couldn’t get up after the fight and Vegeta was getting ready to leave.

FunnyAndFake Inc
>>98993731

he never lost to goku there first fight Goku could not even defend himself he beat him then gohan and krillen saved him when they went head to head i this fight ends we all know who left standing even if goku had his powers he still lows and in the new movie he lost again so i dont know where goku ever beat him i would love to see a clip or a pages from the maga

Kroger905
>>98983424

Good points, and he also got blasted in the eye in his Oozaru form from an energy blast from Goku.

Jaehwa Jeong

At 15:54: I guess we're gonna ignore the fact that Vegeta said Galick Gun? That pose looks NOTHING like Galick Gun! Both his hands have to be back together, charging up. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Vegeta
>>98993731

Vegeta has never lost to goku at all. He won their first fight and goku had his legstomped out. Their 1 v 1 was over. Majin Vegeta also won because he tricked Goku by playing off his naive nature then in the super super hero movie he straight up won their sparring session/match again lol

Blarged
>>98993731

Vegeta never really won against him either in a proper 1v1 sense. He didn’t understand Gokus Kaioken technique was allowing him to surpass Vegetas strength and figured he was losing so in unwilling desperation resorted to Oozaru. I’d chalk that up as a loss right there imo. From that point on Goku constantly surpassed him in strength at every single turn. Maybeeee except Android 19 but with the heart virus factoring in who can say

Richard Dean

yes the entire Buu arc happens because of them, they could have ended this whole thing rather fast

Jaehwa Jeong

I'm kinda surprised Madison is more understanding of Vegeta and where he comes from. I honestly had an impression that she'd be dismissive of him and tell him off quickly from how he's acting. She also took it a lot better than I thought when Vegeta killed all those people back at the Stadium. I guess Vegeta's character development is really growing on her. I LIKE IT!!

Alfreddd

“Whole civilizations once trembled at the sound of my name, but you didn’t .. DID YOU KAKAROT” the disgust and venom Vegeta says that line in is just bone chilling

Apprentice

Goku was still holding back.

Alfreddd

Ya man this has got to be my favorite episode in all of Dragonball

Luke8694

3:44 to 4:00 Goku and Vegeta power up and just go off. I love how Baris, like many of us, has probably seen this episode a million times but still his eyes just have that look of excitement. Then Madison, a newcomer, looks pretty happy and the two Saiyans hit each other in the face so her eyes match Baris’s. Another epic speech by Vegeta, he’s changed so much from feared Saiyan to a warrior just fighting to be the best. Goku always found a way to surpass him and then ensured Gohan was even stronger by the end of the Cell Saga, something Vegeta would never do with his own son. Vegeta wants his pride back as the strongest Saiyan but all that anger just hinders his growth.

Kyle A

I LOVE Babadi's delivery of "especially you... Supreme Kai."

Rafael Diaz

Just a suggestion overall u guys do a great job! u of not giving spoilers and her with her reactions. I've bin watching u guys since the beginning. The only thing I will suggest is to not ask her so many questions of what she thinks every minute. Just wait to the end of the episode to ask so many questions because everytime you ask a question she has to think of an answer instead of being able to react as the shows going on.

BarisTeeAnime
>>99005714

She’s just reacting. Also if we didn’t criticize and critique the work, we’d probably never be able to upload on to YouTube at all

Tomas Cortez

I can’t wait for you guys to get to my top favorite episode; episode 237!

Humble0721

I would like to add the foreshadowing of “ego”. Madison hasn’t figured out that she’s predicting something major way down the line for Vegeta lol.

Luke Price

I mean sure Vegeta helped against Cell in the end but it's also his fault it even got that far lol.

Louis

In the original Japanese after cell is defeated vegeta says "I've been completely outdone by them, both the father and the son. D- damn you, Kakarrot! Dying the way you did! I won't ever fight again".

Darren Metts
>>98985587

Fusion inconsequential? Wow what a way to just throw words around without thinking smh

Jorge Alarcon

Next episode is going to be awesome! One of the best animation on the show

Kevin Gilbert

Hi guys, I was soo pumped after today YouTube channel I needed more. So I subscribed to Patreon. I still don’t really know what it is, I’ve never used it before but have just binged watched the rest of the eps. Can’t wait for more!

John L

LMAO yea geez, dabora must have given krillen and piccolo some good shit to be stoned for that long XD

CountChopulla

We still have 3 more weeks for THE EPISODE

Alvin Davis

I can't believe it guys, with today's upload "Episode 231" coming later today, we have now reached the end of the Babidi Saga. Which means next week if everything goes to plan and Baris is able to stay on schedule for Monday, then Monday we will finally be entering the Majin Buu saga starting with episode 232 "Buu is Hatched", which means next week we get a lot of crazy shit happening, so crazy in fact, I'm wondering if we're ever gonna get to an episode where we see Madison rage quit, like she almost did a few months ago on an episode if I remember correctly cause Baris did say that Madison almost did get up and leave the room during one of the episodes they reacted to together, lol. But yeah, the next several weeks of episodes are gonna be intense for sure, and as Baris said, EPIC!~ 😎💪😝

Tony
>>99005714

I second rafael diaz his post. This is the coolest fight of the series but you guys talked over the fight the whole time. Not hating, actually having a blast watching the reactions and first patreon i ever subbed to! Also its ok to pause sometimes if you want to speak, almost every single reaction channel pauses, maybe do a poll? Anyway keep killing it and goodluck in the journey.

Luke H
>>99008439

Literally the whole point of him taking that shot at cell is to make amends for that but okay

Reginald Andreas
>>99005714

I also agree with Diaz. I've been having a blast watching these reactions. But sometimes I think asking her questions every minute causes ya'll to talk over a great line of dialouge or a great fight sequence so the moment isnt always being absorbed. As always, great video. Cant wait for THE epsiode.

Odin Von Oslo

Crazy to think that Goku here actually holds back and is around 200x Stronger then Vegeta lol. (Goku already can do SSJ3 here)

Tony
>>99003739

He was holding back a form yeah. But in ssj2 they are completely even.

Gohanks
>>99029098

Not 200x. Only 4x times. SSJ is 50x base, SSJ2 is 100 x base and SSJ3 is 400x base. This is according to the official manual.

Gohanks
>>99024517

Which episode was that? I don’t remember hearing about that.

Gohanks

Will today’s upload be at usual time or a bit later?

Kyle Ragan

Man, revisiting the buu saga reminds me how beautifully poetic it is. What an extremely underrated part.

Blarged

The line “I will never fight again” was in both the manga and original translation. Consider it more accurately his retirement as a warrior

Rick Tegarden

My favorite fight I love it....vegeta is my favorite character he changes so much

Sean Scott
>>98982151

If you read my follow up comments you will see that actually no Goku did not LITERALLY defeat either freeza or Nappa. Goku wounds Nappa and tosses him over to vegeta's feet and tells him to get Nappa some help. Vegeta is the one that tosses Nappa in the air and finishes him.

Sean Scott
>>98982151

With Frieza it's similar, Goku gets bored more or less, and trys to just leave and let Frieza go. Its Frieza's own attack that finishes the fight on Namek, and his final defeat is on earth at the hands of Future Trunks

Chrysanthemum
>>99094751

Agreed but there's more to it. As an example, the opposite of love is hate. Indifference is when someone is done with a relationship. For Vegeta here, it's not that he flew off in silence, that would be indifference. He was on the opposite end of loving to fight and with his pride in himself as a warrior. You've gotta hit those lows to get those highs in life though. Vegeta was low and at some point during the time skip he found a way to rise above (ascending to SS2) but he still held onto self doubt from the low of his complete defeat during the Cell Games. This leads him to Majin Vegeta and his character arc continues from there. Best written character for sure

Travis Giles

Goku didn't beat vegeta in the saiyan saga.

Xenoblade98

Vegeta did say he wasn't gonna fight again in the Japanese version

Suman Raziq

You guys missed how this fight mirrored Trunks VS Goten the 2nd time - when Vegeta locked Gokus arms from behind just as Trunks did to Goten. Anyone else think the fight was one big foreshadow?

J Shug

@ 4:25 sounds like he was saying "Krillin has been stoned for 6 episodes" when he meant a stone. I was gonna say, me too! lol