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DBZ Episode 231 (Patreon)

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2023-01-06 18:18:41
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Jack

pog

Alexsex

oh yeaaaaa

Jason Mako

Get ready for another epic stare down! Also, Vegeta’s epic speech shows he is still king. Vegeta is my spirit animal!

Zarikel

Let's go!

Jesse Gutierrez

What I will give dbs over dbz is currently the power gap between Goku and Vegeta isn’t really that much at all (manga).

Enrique Pena

Yes!! Lets freaking go!!! 😎🦾🔥🔥🔥 More Majin Vegeta great epic speech!!! 👍🦾🔥🔥🔥 SSJ 2 Majin Vegeta and SSJ 2 Goku fight so freaking awesome epic!!!

Jack

you shouldve asked her what she thinks buu will look like lol

Robbie Pedota

Omg I can’t wait until Monday lmao

Peter Fowler

That 5 mins with mr satan was so unnecessary and annoying I don't hate him but stuff like that just takes away the tension from the show

Adam Cormier

These next few episodes coming are so hype!!

Rekway

Ah yes, the Vegeta mid-life crisis speech lmao

raz1337

I can't wait to see her reaction to Buu :D Monday is gonna take so long

Aisiah McDonald

THIS IS THE ONE! Best angles of the Goku/Majin Vegeta fight 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 EPIC SHIT!

raz1337

So, if I have this right, barring any postponements, SSJ3 should be 1/26

CYBRLFT

Man only a couple episodes away from some serious water works. I can't wait for her to see it and how Madison's view of Vegeta as a character evolves. To her credit with his character development, I think she'll see that she was right on the money that he truly has changed in some massive ways.

James

Can't wait for 1/16. That should be the episode final atonement.

kev

I hope you bring up the fact that vegeta only apologizes twice in the series and they're both directed to gohan when he knocks goku out (for disgracing himself against cell and for letting gohan 'die' vs buu

Brandon

Supposedly all babadis majin did was allow vegeta to asscend past super saiyan since he realized this when goku had gone ssj2 against his monster for a split second

Shaun
>>99057347

vegeta was already a ssj2 as he said he surpassed gohan

Brandon

I meant goku I just realized I typed it wrong

Brandon

But yea he saw goku transform for that one second

Cody Castleberry
>>99057347

Yeah there's a lot of evidence that Vegeta already attained SS2 at this point but the difference in power was in their base I believe.

Shaun

Gohan wasn't fighting Dabura as a ssj2. Even in this episode with goku and vegeta being ssj2 with lightning gohan is protrayed as not having it when about to engage with Dabura.

Shaun
>>99058421

No he didnt. This is a myth and has never been stated by Akira or any of staff or editors. In the manga ssj2 ALWAYS has lightning and Gohan never had it after the world tournament while every other ssj2 has.

Shaun
>>99058421

The animators forgot the lightning in broly because it was a movie. The anime had source material which is the actual manga and in it gohan was NOT A SSJ2.

Lonawrage

Its good she has good predictions and all but she doesnt have to predict it all. I feel it would be better if she enjoys and just soaking whats going on and feeling the intensity in the moment. Cause we all know in these anime plot armor will keep em alive but lets pretend dbz can end at any moment. Still good content its just something ive noticed

Citrusblurz
>>99058421

This idea that Gohan wasn't SSJ2 is just hysterical to me. Goku explicitly states that Dabura and Cell were EQUALS. I don't know why there's a select portion of the fandom that believes he would be referring to Cell's perfect form and not when he was at his peak. The WHOLE POINT of Dabura's placement in the story was to be directly compared to the previous villain in terms of power and to showcase that a villain of his caliber is no longer a threat to Vegeta or Goku at this point. Dabura's description page under Daizenshuu 7 of the official databooks even lists that Gohan was in the SSJ2 state when he fought him. The lightning was absent, but the hairstyle was ACCURATE to the SSJ2 design. For god's sake, use LOGIC. Why in the hell would Gohan use the SSJ2 form against Kibito at the tournament and NOT tap into it against Dabura or Majin Buu for that matter where the stakes were much higher? Heck, there's no visible electricity on Gohan at all when he attempts to destroys Buu's shell or his skirmish with Buu himself. Are you actually going to suggest that Gohan was withholding SSJ2 at at this point too?

Gohanks
>>99058421

He was an SSJ2. How can Adult Gohan at SSJ even contend with Dabura who is at Perfect Cell level? Adult Gohan is weaker than Cell games Gohan. And Gohan is certainly at SSJ2 when he attacks Buu’s ship because of the bang. Why wouldn’t he be?

Gohanks
>>99058421

He seems to be suggesting that, but it’s obvious that Gohan was at SSJ2 when he attacks Buu’s ball. He attacks it all full power in a rage. Why wouldn’t he lol.

Gohanks
>>99057347

Yup. I hear this lie repeated too many times. Vegeta definitely achieved SSJ2 during those 7 years. How else could he be so confident of being stronger than Gohan. The only reason he needed the Majin boost was that Goku’s SSJ2 was stronger than Vegeta’s. This makes sense because Goku also had SSJ3.

Gohanks
>>99055884

Yup. I just don’t think she likes Vegeta enough to cry there. Which is fine. Imo this sacrifice is better than Goku’s sacrifice against Cell, and way more laden with emotion.

Gohanks
>>99053941

In the Super Hero movie, Vegeta is actually a little stronger

dwightshcrute22

he was ssj2 y’all. you can tell by his hair. when he’s ssj2 he has the one bang and when he’s ssj he has an extra little bang. i think that they don’t draw the lightning in his ssj2 form at times to depict how much strength he’s lost compared to before, though i’m not too sure about that point it’s just what i think makes sense to me

Brandon

Mainly because gohan done nothing for 7 years but it goes both ways theirs lots on internet that believe different views wether or not he achieved it one way or the other

Samuel

Anyone remember getting this hyped for the next episode on a Friday then Monday finaly comes & BOOM! Raditz 🤣

Frank

Are we getting the broly movie this weekend or next week js wondering haha

Samuel
>>99058421

He was a SSJ2 he was just weaker because of the lack of training which caused him to be sloppy.

Xermaran

you gotta feel happy for babidi tho hes funny lfmao

Antt

Vegeta such a W

London Celt

Shit is about to get crazy, some memorable moments to come!🔥🔥🔥

Douglas Murray

Spoiler: I think the reason Mr. Satan got that much screentime because it shows he will still be relevant, if not play a significant role in this Saga as a non Z fighter. And the fact that his daughter is Gohan's girlfriend.

Galen

I know there's so much else coming up but I'm so excited for vegito!

Vegeta

Loved this episodes animation for the fight. When they hit each other they hit HARD and they made you "feel" it lol

pure vapor
>>99071907

Gotenks was better because he was more funnier. Also the fusions storey wise didn't go no where. But Majin vegeta vs fat buu is what time looking forward to

zishan
>>99058421

Gohan wa so feed ssj2 look at the hair that how you indicate ssj2 and 1. Ssj1 teen gohan was getting rocked by cell. How can ssj1 weaker than teen gohan stand against Dabura when gohan is said by goku to be slightly stronger than cell.

Tony

The animation in this episode is amazing. Btw gohan was fighting dabura in SSJ1 not SSJ2 @baris

Kevin Gilbert

Man Vegeta has some of the most insane character development. His voice actor does an incredible job. I feel like every episode he gives me chills with his dialogue.

Michael Barnes

Vegeta allowed/caused Perfect Cell ahd Majin Buu

Michael Barnes

Actually I am sure Vegeta did Final Flash vs Perfect Cell when he heavily maimed him, not semi perfect

Jaehwa Jeong

I wonder how Madison will react if Baris tells her Vegeta doesn't exist after he sacrifices himself. He wasn't able to keep his body. At least for a long time...until King Yamma broke his own rule, bailing him out. Maybe do it Just for fun and giggles. Be like: Vegeta was going to hell and even knowing that, he DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT. That's major development.

Austin c pates

Can't wait till she sees goku transform for 10 minutes then babadi say... buu it looks like our friend is in need of a haircut.. goku stands firm.. Show me what you got!!!

Hitrule

@Shaun I said this before but Akira Toriyama doesn't always draw to the fan's expectations (ie. SSJ2 with lighting), it's just like how literally the last episode Goku and Vegeta had no lighting and looked like regular SSJ at times despite them staying SSJ2s in the Manga, it flip flops. Toriyama - "Yes, I don't like developing particular tendencies, so change the art according to the story. So, even now if I was asked to draw something Dr. Slump-style, I can still do that style with the rounder lines. By the second half of Dragon Ball I was more caught up in the story than in the actual drawing. That's why I started to put less emphasis on the art as it progressed. As the fights became more furious, I began to draw with straighter and simpler lines. In any case. I just don't like repetition. When I received letters from readers saying things Ske, "Your drawings are so jagged now. Your old work was much better", it made me want to make the Ines even more jagged [Laughs]." This was from one of Toriyama's old interviews.

Hitrule

And this is from the battles section in the Daizenshuu guide (official source material): "A fairly even battle unfolded between him and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Afterwards, he sensed that the revived Majin Buu was dangerous, and tried to defeat him, but was turned into a cookie and eaten. Despite being the strongest in the Demon Realm, feared even by Kaioshin (Supreme Kai in Dub), he came to an extremely pathetic end..."

Shaun
>>99058421

Yes. The guide books have multiple errors and some even contradict each other. It's completely ambiguous which form of Cell Goku was referring to, but regardless of which form Dabura was toying with Gohan and confident he could beat him. Funny you mention hair when Gohan's hair now when engaing with Dabura looks far more like the SSJ1 hairstyle than in the first battle. And let's use the simplest form of logic. Toriyama always draws SSJ2 with completely different aura. You mean to tell me that he "forgets" when he's consistent about it EVERY SINGLE TIME except explicitly for Gohan THE ENTIRE ARC besides the world tournament? Despite BEFORE and AFTER and for EVERY OTHER CHARACTER drawing it distinct and explicitly? Your headcannon of well Dabura is supposed to the this strong and toriyama just forgot everytime gohan fought in the buu saga is ridiculous. He forgets for multiple chapters remembers to put it on goku and vegeta, then forgets to put it on gohan within the same chapter? Yeah perfect logic lol.

Chinese Duck Sauce
>>99058421

Yes, he forgot within the same chapter. Do you know what logic is even more simple? Gohan going super saiyan 2 against Dabura. What do you mean what form of cell goku was referring to? Perfect cell obviously, perfect cell is used as a measuring stick for the buu saga characters over and over again. When vegeta saw goku go supersaiyan 2, "Well, at least you're stronger than your son was against cell", when piccolo saw majin vegeta vs buu, "I haven't felt this much energy since gohan vs cell". They mentioned "cell", are you going to question which cell they're referring to? Because last time I checked, none of the cell forms other than perfect hold any significance to be mentioned at all. Since Adult Gohan is weaker than teen gohan here, him going only ssj1 against a perfect cell tier character doesn't make any sense in the slightest, considering ssj1 teen gohan only got one hit on perfect cell, and now he's fighting well against dabura.

seb gibson

love gohans power up/gutteral scream before attacking buu's shell in the next episode. so many awesome moments to look forward to

Adam Carlton
>>99058421

in this very episode we see gohan struggle to tap into the power that he used against cell and has to recall the things goku said to him about using his emotions. its pretty obvious hes having some difficulty and its perfectly logical that he might not have the ability anymore to just become a super saiyan 2 at will. this makes more sense than 'akira forgot to draw the electricity every single time gohan fought throughout this portion of the saga' while drawing it every time on goku and vegeta.

Eric M Brown

I still can't believe there are only 60 episodes left.

Citrusblurz
>>99058421

It's not perfectly logical that he wouldn't have the ability anymore, because we literally witnessed him tap into SSJ2 just fine at the world tournament X amount of hours prior to this. Vegeta even remarks that in spite of this, Gohan's power is a far cry from what it once was and that is the dilemma here. Gohan is merely struggling to reach deep down and regain his former strength/tap into his hidden potential again. He is still able to access the SSJ2 state. It's just a much weaker variation than what he fought Cell with.

Josef Pepa
>>99087229

"Only" there are so many anime out there that don't even reach 30 😂

Izzy P
>>99074941

Nah, it as stated I believe by Toriyama that it was intended to be SSJ2. He was just so inconsistent with the electricity in the animation. Correct me if I'm wrong someone.

George

QUESTION! Are they skipping filler? Or did the blue Ray just take things out and added new scenes? Because I have the orange boxes and never saw a few scenes here and remember other ones

Citrusblurz
>>99088765

Ummmmm..not quite lol. The orange box sets are easily the worst. Colors are oversaturated, brightness and blurring issues, frames bleeding together, missing sound effects..(A prime example of this would be the debut of SSJ Vegeta. The original warping sound effect as his hair transitions to SSJ is completely absent. This was restored in the Blu-Rays.) and the biggest sin of all, bar none, are the abysmal picture cropping issues. This is way more prevalent in the orange box sets compared to the Blu-Rays.

Aaron

The way Babidi holds Dabura in such high regard… I think Madison will be shocked to see how things turn out for him!

Tony
>>99074941

It was said in the daizenshu, but in another daizenshu it was said that gohan was ssj1 aswell so the 2 contradict eachother. toriyama didnt draw a single lightning bolt for gohan while he drew lightning bolts for every single panel in goku vs vegeta. But then again, this is the most controversial/debated topic in the dbz community. So i can see why people say he was ssj2

Josh

10:00 I agree. I think Mr Satan gets too much screen time in this Tournament/Buu saga. It slows things down a little too much

Odin Von Oslo
>>99113683

but...he is the reason the humans and earth is still alive. cause of buu*s friendship with mr satan

Rick Tegarden

I can't wait to see Madison 's reaction to final atonement omg so sad I cried as a kid I still do

B777
>>99113683

I also feel this way, and there were many characters before him that took up that much filler screentime.

Darren Metts
>>99055884

She cares more about vegeta than you think Maddison is like a bro how can you not see that lol

Darren Metts
>>99057347

No it didn’t clown that wouldn’t put him at the same level as goku he was clearly already a ssj2 before that otherwise he wouldn’t be doubting that gohan was the strongest out of all of them when he said “ maybe he has been training” when literally he had seen gohan go ssj2 during the tournament

CYBRLFT
>>99055884

All the true fans gonna be fighting back tears no matter how many times we watch that scene haha. His atonement and Goku’s upcoming surprise will no doubt garner the biggest reactions from her 😬

Cliff Gilbert

Buu at full power is sometimes a forgetten measurement. It took SS2 Gohan's power to only reach HALF power. While Gohan is slightly weaker compared to his Teen form, it still only reached half power for Buu. Gives you a perspective on how strong Buu is coming out of that shell

Luke8694

Another chilling speech from the Prince. Despite all the terror he caused and innocent people he killed, he still found a woman and had a kid with her. But for someone who spent their whole fighting and conquering, settling down seemed so insufficient. It makes sense that Vegeta would want to go back to the way he was before. At the same time, when Goku asked him if he really means all this, Vegeta can’t answer him, all he can do is power up and keep fighting.

marrio

vegeta was droppin bangers the whole sho bro 🤣🤣💯🔥🔥

RedSnorlax

The way the music changes as he says "i was the perfect earrior" perfection right there

Suman Raziq

You guys miss the best bit: the music. This is the same music behind Trunks vs Goten