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We want to address some of your comments on our most recent video, specifically regarding our conversation around the lyrical “depth” of TLOAS.

To make it clear… We do not think, and did not say, that this album is NOT deep or meaningful. 

We do, however, think that in some ways it can be perceived as ‘less’ deep/complex than other recent albums Taylor has given us, and we wanted to open up a conversation about this and hear your thoughts as we hadn’t (and still haven’t) fully subscribed to this idea. We stressed multiple times throughout the video that even if it is less ‘deep’ that this is not a criticism or a problem, and that it is clear that Taylor had other focuses for this project - infectious melodies, amazing bops, and an overall happy & joyous vibe - and that she achieved exactly what she set out to do. 

We reject the idea that we only want or value “the tea” or parasocial details from Taylor. We reject the idea being projected onto us that lack of sadness = lack of depth. We both strongly believe that happy love songs can be just as vulnerable, if not more vulnerable, than sad songs, especially whilst being in a relationship. There are other valid reasons that we feel some of these songs keep the listener at arms length which we will discuss in our song breakdowns. 

Some of the comments on our last video have left us feeling misunderstood, and like there is intent to misconstrue our meaning. It also feels like, even within our own community, there isn’t an ability for us to have nuanced discussions around this artist and this music we all love so much. We are almost never negative, and absolutely never hateful, when it comes to Taylor and her music, and to feel lumped into that category is honestly… in its truest definition… offensive. 

We thought it went without saying, given our overwhelming positivity and defence of this album in the 15+ videos we’ve uploaded over the last month, that we love it deeply and have since our first listen. This fact should be entirely obvious at this point. 

We ALWAYS appreciate and encourage your commentary and any constructive criticism you have for us. But we also hope that by now you know us well enough to give us the benefit of the doubt when you think there is any kind of rude, hateful, or perhaps even misogynistic intent on our part towards Taylor. We encourage your opinions, even if they disagree with ours, but only when delivered in a kind and respectful manner. For those of you that commented with insightful and respectful thoughts, thank you! They were amazing and definitely make strong points for how deep this album really is and so much of that we strongly agree with. 

Please know sometimes we have days where we feel less positive than others for a multitude of reasons. We adore this album, LOVE seeing Taylor happy and positive and so deeply love having happy songs to bop around to 💃🏼

Tomorrow we are uploading our Fate of Ophelia breakdown on YouTube where we continue this conversation, and hopefully you guys will understand our thoughts more  🫶🏼 thank you for taking the time to read!

Comments

Ferone

it’s a pop album, of course it ain’t deep! it’s happy and romantic. sometimes Taylor just writes how it is - ‘don’t need another metaphor, it’s simple enough.’ Love you both!! 🧡

Jess Davis

You two literally did nothing wrong idk why people came for you so hard. It’s ok to give respectful constructive criticism of Taylor’s art, which is what you did. Taylor is literally a human being not an infallible god.

Katie Wednesday

Wholeheartedly agree with every word you said in this and the video - she had other things she wanted to achieve with this album and lesser depth than previous albums doesn’t make it a bad album, just a different one!

Carly

People are honestly wild and take things too seriously, it is NOT that deep. Everything you girls do is UNMATCHED and anyone who doesn’t appreciate it or has a problem … they’re the problem! 💅🏼 you girls make my LIFE. Keep doing you. Don’t ever change xxxx

khushi04

every thought and opinion is valid - that’s what a DISCUSSION is🥹 love you girls!

Jonna Kristina

I hadn’t seen that happening and i’m sad people misunderstood you like that. I had no issues with what you said and enjoy you expressing these thoughts, like it’s not really criticism, it’s just interesting to discuss and compare what makes this album special❤️

Alberto

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Regina Phalange

There’s no one else I’d rather hear talk about Taylor! You both always offer the most interesting and insightful opinions without ever being negative or hateful. So sad people aren’t willing to hear some nuanced conversation around Taylor and her music. I agreed with everything you said on the last video- but even if I didn’t it would just make me pause for thought and consider a new perspective. I wouldn’t complain you are being negative. Hope you know so many of us in this community adore you and your content 🥰

Mart

Omg, please don't listen to them. Keep sharing your honest opinions!🫶🙌

Ymkje

Massive ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 for you two. I love all of your videos. I never really comment, but wanted to hop on and say I love all you positivity and to me it’s very clear that you guys love everything about Taylor and whatever opinion you guys have is always a kind one. You two are the most positive people when talking about Taylor. Love you 💓💘🌸

Zoe

I haven’t even watched the video you are referring to and just having watched you both since your lover breakdown (!!) I know that you are two of the most honest and thoughtful people when it comes to Taylor’s music. You celebrate her in all the ways she should be, and you love her music so deeply. Loving music this deeply NATURALLY creates deep reflection and analysis and comparison of work. I know without even watching that video that you both were respectful and open in your conversation. My disappointment is that you have both been made to feel you have to ‘defend’ or ‘explain’ yourselves further. I’m sorry about that. Always in your corner 🫶

lana del gay

It's clear you guys adore this album and im right there with you ❤️ "people throw rocks at things that shine" - someone wise once sang to me 😅

Mazy

Feeling misunderstood is the worst!!! But I think majority of us here completely get it 🤍 keep being u xxxx

Dylan

I loved your insight and thoughts in the last video about the lyrics. Not once did it come across as if you were criticizing Taylor or subscribing to the ridiculous internet notion that this album is AI generated lyrics or whatever. You really made me think about several of the songs and lyrics and different ways than I had been so I’m grateful for the discourse. I don’t personally feel at arms length from Taylor in this album - I feel right there with her and “at home” to use Emily’s quote in her feelings, but I respect the perspective and enjoyed listening to you discuss your why. Thanks for always being open and vulnerable and sharing.

Yuli

Oh my loves. It’s ridiculous that you even need to clarify your stance on this album considering you were initially receiving hate because of how much you love it lmao. Internet is a fucked up place, im so sorry that this has made its way into the safe patreon space :( Love you big times. Please also do what you need to do, take a longer break if you need to - im so fucking sorry this is ridiculous

emma

Well said girls

David

It's crazy how people will assume the worst and take things out of context even on here, the majority of us know it was analysis, not criticism, keep doing what you're doing, you guys are the best!

claudia jones

Love you girls, I think I’ve been having a struggle with TOAS because one day I loooove it the next I don’t have this urge to listen and it’s a weird moment because I am ALWAYS in the mood to listen to Taylor … So getting to hear your honest thoughts is why I joined Patreon you girls always help me fathom and connect when I’m struggling …. I fathomed Ivy because of you girls !!! ❤️‍🔥

Terri McGloin

In my opinion, you chickens enhance the Taylor Swift experience. Keep on, keepin' on! ❤️

Josh G

So true BonnyStan13 :)

Katey Koch

I completely agree with this take! Taylor is wearing a different hat for this album. This isn't the folkmore/TTPD poetry writing that she did on those albums, this is the snappy, infectious pop-py Taylor writing. It wasn't her intent to produce the most lyrically deep album she's ever produced here. We can be honest about that!! The fact that you're saying what is just truly apparent and getting push back on it is wild to me. Love you girls for calling it how it is.

Tess Rossi

I can’t believe people misconstrued your opinions on TLOAS. I thought they were articulated perfectly and 100% agreed with you guys. Anyone who thinks you are misogynistic or negative towards Taylor doesn’t deserve to be part of this community. 💕💕

ton

Thank you for posting this. As one of the people who commented on feeling concerned that you were seeing a lack of depth and that it felt as if this may be because it lacked darkness I’m really glad you addressed it. There was definitely no offence meant. I look forward to all of the breakdowns of this OFFENSIVE (meant in a good way 🤣) album

Jasna

Girls, you do you! And ignore the rest ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Julieta

I actually agree with some of the things you said in that video. And yeah, people should feel free to speak their minds. This fandom can be pretty juvenile sometimes. Anyway, I’m all for you speaking your mind ✊🏻

Sarah

It makes me sad to see that you have to justify yourselves. Saying this album is different isn't a critic ... It's just different and it is what is is. And you even said in your video that you are still fathoming and processing the uniqueness of this album. Love you and thank you for always sharing your honest thoughts ❤️

shelby

Well articulated, girls. I didn’t even read the comments to the last video. But my perception as a viewer / consumer of your content… I didn’t get even the slightest hint of negativity. Your comments were actually pretty neutral. Personally, I really enjoyed the last video because it felt like such a nuanced conversation done so positively.

Rachel McFadyen

Girlssss i cannot think of a more inoffensive video😂 its SO clear what you're saying! Its good to be able to recognise how her albums differ from each other and honestly you have made a very straightforward observation. People will always misunderstand but this is YOUR space and tbh any big misunderstandings at this point are just a lack of media literacy😂 its SO clear how you guys feel❤️

claudia jones

I think a lot of swifties are stuck in defensive mood after all the Taylor backlash recently but I think everyone in the Patreon needs to remember who you girls are and how much Taylor’s music means to you… you have every right to talk openly here on Patreon it is your platform !!! Love you both ✨

alex

I think it is a very important discussion to have because so many people have a rather toxic understanding of „deep“ songs. I loved your conversation around it and I hope you continue to discuss things on camera with us because it made me fathom that this album is all about perspective!🥰

alex

Sending you two love ❣️

Dirk-Jan Gruppen

Well said! Love you guys ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Gustav Lucas

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate all the content you’ve shared with us. Your discussions are thoughtful, nuanced, and always made with so much love for Taylor and her work. I hope you never feel the need to hold back because of a few people who jump to conclusions or refuse to engage with nuance. Please keep sharing your insights, they make the experience of this album even richer. Love you guys 🫶🏼

Michaela

Completely agree with everything you’ve said. Having read some comments first and then watched the video, I completely couldnt understand where people were coming from. Your opinions were very fair and shared in a very fair way and yes you were completely misunderstood and taken the wrong way. I’m sorry that you feel you have to defend when you say something that is maybe the tiniest bit not complete 100% positivity. We need to be able to be completely honest about how we feel and a lack of nuance or critical thinking isn’t good

Karolina Hołub

Please don't worry about this types of comments, I'm sure there are a lot of people that really like whenever you bring some critique into it. This wasn't even some strong criticism, just fair point about the album. I hope you are not scared to say what you think because of the comments, I just want you to know, for a lot of us this is super important <3 No matter how Taylor swift is for us 'perfect' nothing really is perfect and this is also a beauty of art in my opinion. Having conversation about good AND 'bad' makes any experience of album much more interesting. It also shows we care and we treat is seriously.

Anna Mehrbilder

I appreciate how you adress criticism. to me it feels like "relationship work" in this (not so small) corner of the internet. you are doing the work of fighting for nuance and benefit of the doubt and - all the time - respectful kindness. it hurts me always when I read how you defend what you said in a previous video, but I see why you do it and I fully appreciate, even though I think you shouldnt have to. it is a complex world.

Floran

2 divas here. You did nothing wrong. There are spoiled brats here 🫠

Hannah13

I’m so glad you are not apologising!!! The comments on that video were insane. No media literacy to be found amongst those people. We understood you!! 🩷

Jacob Zammitt

I didn't read the comments on the last post so didn't realise people had that reaction, I certainly didn't! I really enjoyed the discussions in the last video, and totally agree with what you said. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but there's a right way to go about it and no need for hate here 😥

Annika 📍Melb, AU

I was so sad when I saw some of the comments on the last video and I hate that you felt like you needed to explain. 🥲 The nuance was clear to me, but people make their own judgements and interpretations through how they perceive the world based on their own experiences, so perhaps that’s where the misunderstanding stemmed from. 🥰 There were some beautiful and supportive comments under your video too - I think sometimes we are wired to focus on the negative ones. 🫶 Love your videos - they bring me so much joy! I will be here until I am old and grey(er 😂) even when we disagree ❤️ (DWOHT stan over here 😂)

Hafsah

I absolutely agreed with everything you both said in the last video, as a long time swiftie it was all very valid and fair 🫶🏼

Lily

This is so obvious, a shame you feel you have to disclaim that. The nuance in your discussions is what makes them so honest and relatable. Keep doing what you do best, we love you and value ALL your opinions and discussions that you are so brave and generous for sharing❤️

cushla

You guys are the absolute best. I had no bad feeling towards your comments towards this album. It’s so clear you love it. It’s not her deepest album however that doesn’t make it any less superior. It wasn’t made to be her deepest album. People will hate on anything she does but that’s why you guys are our safe space to come and enjoy and celebrate the music. Never stop doing what you do - it means so much to me/us 🩷

Lilly

love you guys

Josh G

Love you chickens so much! I'm just so sick and tired of all the rude and nasty comments tbh and I really hope it never gets to you <3

Gia

Taylor herself has said this isn’t the data download lyrical brain dump depths of the likes of TTPD. It’s meant to be light and fun. Are people allergic to fun these days?!? Seems so. I rarely comment but had to affirm that I do indeed know how much you love this album (lol????) crazy to even have to say that. Thank you girls love youuuuu xoxoxo

Sarah B

There is so much hate and negativity in the world right now. This should remain a happy, positive and uplifting place. You ladies always bring that attitude to us, so we should all behave the same. Sorry you’ve had to address this. Love you guys! X

Char

I’m so sorry you girls have had to yet again address a situation involving discussion of your thoughts. You girls have always been SO vocal and so clear you open critical and feedback in your videos and always will have an open mind to peoples opinions, but what is never okay is people being condescending and telling you girls you have such a negative view on taylor and just want the tea as if you don’t want her to be happy, everyone here who genuinely knows and understands you girls are very aware you always have taylor’s best interest at heart. What a weird take from some people. I hope going forward people can really give feedback in a less condescending manner because I saw some comments myself and they were just straight up mean and misunderstanding the chickens, specifically Bonny. Again, thank you girls for always keeping it 💯 and being so authentic with us. Your content is really such a safe space for us who understand you girls. Please never stop being you and never filter your thoughts to please other people this is why we love you, you’re both some of the only content creators out there who keep it authentic! I mean Bonny said herself, depth WITHOUT darkness so where this take has come from is absurd to me. Also can I add to something you said by just thanking you girls, there’s so much stupid negativity around this album and you girls are the only ones who made me and a whole lot of other people feel validated. The hate got to my head and I had a moment I couldn’t bask in the album and just enjoy the art I loved as the internet was fueled with negativity. But you girls having such a positive approach, sharing and fathoming things I would of never been able to, and just understanding Taylor on a level a lot of us never are able to until you put it into words really helped me and others just be able to appreciate this art. You do both have such a positive impact on a lot of us you’re our safe space and make us feel validated and seen, it’s like watching our friends all the time not just content creators. That’s why we all love the chickens right? They just get Taylor in a way we do and a lot of others don’t. Love you girls ♥️

Miranda

I loved hearing your recent thoughts on TLOAS and i was feeling the same way about it. i hope people's comments don't stop you from sharing your authentic feelings!

Esther Newman

I’m sorry anyone has made you feel like you can’t share your opinions! I was literally half way through commenting on your last video to say that I always love how nuanced and insightful your commentary is, and how respectful and open you guys are. Also that I agree with you. We already know from the podcast that Taylor had other priorities with this album and from listening, I too feel like she’s holding back on some details - naturally too given how much we’ve seen of T&T/how much access they’ve already allowed. I really loved your discussion of the similarities and differences between Showgirl and 1989, I definitely will be listening to these albums together to reflect on this. Anyway, keep doing what you guys are doing! I know how wild it is out there now, especially when people give constructive criticism and share opinions. Sending love from the UK ❤️

Camilla

So well put!! Peoples sensitivity are so extremely heightened right now since the negative reviews I fear, very strong emotions bubbling everywhere. You are doing an amazing job at cultivating this community and also navigating these somewhat overwhelming swiftie-times 😅❤️‍🔥

Sheila Ellis

Yeah I felt you two made sense since the album was created well over a year before release and Tay and Travis were in the beginning stages of their relationship while she was on tour, so it makes sense this one feels different and we should talk about it. Because it still has so much there to dig into and is an amazing bop of an album and it's good to have these discussions with each other. It's supposed to be fun. I'm sorry some did not handle it properly ladies. Keep shining

Georgia

i think your stance on the everything taylor has always been clear and i am so sad that people feel the need say these things because you guys get the same criticism for being “too positive” too. it’s awful because you just can’t win. i hope you know that the majority love your takes and opinions because of how you put them across and how respectful you both are. why this level of judgement is needed is beyond me.

Cleo

I haven't seen the comments. Haven't been able to be online much, but reading this made me so sad. You two chicken give us the absolute best content, you work so hard to get us amazing quality videos and I always LOVE hearing your opinions. We should be able to have conversations about opinions, especially when we KNOW how passionate you are about your love for Taylor. I am so sorry that you have had to deal with this. Please know that we love you both and your efforts and infections love for music and Taylor is something that makes my day whenever you have a new video. ♥️♥️♥️

Yuli

You worded this so well bestie 100% agree! What a weird take from some people indeed.

Yuli

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Beth

I read the comments on that video before watching and went into it feeling a little deflated but watching it a second time now, nothing you said was even that negative or untrue. I’m sorry you received some nasty comments for simply sharing your thoughts, which is what we all pay to hear on this platform (?!). I think us swifties can be extra defensive because we’re so used to people talking shit about Taylor and her music, sometimes it might affect our true judgement. Funnily enough, this album seems to have sparked so much conversation, which tells me it’s done an amazing job at affirming itself into our lives, and perhaps is ‘deeper’ than meets the eye. Hopefully we can continue to talk and share opinions without being met with vitriol in the future. I’m SO excited to watch your breakdowns. And thank you as always for putting so much work into this community. ❤️‍🔥

Lindsay

Even if you guys hated the album and made a whole video talking about how you didn’t like it, so what? It’s YOUR opinion on YOUR channel 🤷🏻‍♀️ Of course it’s okay for people to vocalise their different opinions in the comments, but anyone telling you that you’re wrong for saying how YOU feel honestly needs to chill. LOVE YOU CHICKENS! 🧡💚

Milena Baeza

"The ability for us to have nuanced discussions around this artist and this music we all love so much" This is exactly why I loved your last video so much!! Keep being your truest selves, Bonny and Emily <3

Tam

You girls are the most genuine reactors i’ve ever seen and i’m so sorry you two have to continue addressing and dealing with comments that don’t spread the positive energy I know you want your channel to have. you’re 100% entitled to your opinion on this album and to be honest I totally agree with your take. Keep doing what you love. Love you chickens🐥

Eleanor

We love you guys so much….thank you for all you do and i’m so sorry this is the messaging you’ve been getting. You girls deserve the world ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Josh G

common char W slay we love you so much <3

Eve

Love you both please don’t stop being honest!! We love and respect your opinions and want to hear them which is why we’re here!!

Lucie S

Love you guys !! I am sorry that people from this community, who should know you and where you are coming from by now, reacted this way I love hearing your thoughts, always ❤️ Also, love you're message : well said !! 💪

Jennifer Rudolph

Sorry for the negativity you’re getting, it’s very clear that you both love this album.

Sarah Woollam

I loved your thoughts on the video, especially how she could focus more on the bop of it all with the Karl’s compared to Jack who knows her so well and how similar that is to 1989. Sometimes specific lyrics are too much for people and it’s so impressive she can manage both styles. Honestly keep being you. I loved the video and the favourite lyric of each song was a great idea 💕

Anna

I haven’t seen the negative comments, but I thought your video was great. And the discussion you started was perfectly fine, I didn’t misunderstand your point at all. So I hope you don’t take those other comments too much to heart. I love nuanced commentary and yours is always the best.

Kim

I don't read comments so I was not aware of any of this but it's crazy to me that you guys need to clarify any of this. We all just need to calm down I think.

Tess7

I was also disappointed in some of the comments. Most of the discussion was great, but the amount of rudeness or just plain misinterpreting what you both said, was maddening. I had to stop myself from replying to some comments, because I didn’t want to be rude too. Love you both and this community- it has always been a place for all of us to have an opinion and interesting discussions- just don’t be mean about it. 🫶❤️‍🔥

YunWon

The fact you have to address this in what I thought was our safe place is so disheartening. Know always we love your thoughts and reactions to Taylor’s albums.

Danya Briones

I’ll be honest and mean.. some people just did not understand what you guys were trying to say, and if you’re incapable of understanding it, that sounds like a person problem. Please don’t ever feel like you need to explain yourselves to hate comments.. I hate that you feel that you have to. Let’s be honest here.. some people are just.. not that smart & lack common sense. And it shows 🫠 because I fully grasped what you were trying to say, and I completely agree with every single word. To this day, I don’t think I’ve seen other reactors/swifties understand Taylor on the level you guys do. Please always feel proud of the work you guys are posting without feeling the need to respond to the people who lack common sense & are incapable of grasping a broader understanding of a concept.

Sarah

This is one of the worst things about the internet - people taking good faith comments, finding something to hate about it, presenting that view as more valid or worthy and then other people jumping on the bandwagon. It is exhausting! Really feel for you girls in having to deal with this. Keep sharing your takes with us, there are so many more of us here who appreciate your opinions and analysis!

Annika 📍Melb, AU

Also I completely understood what you meant! It’s much easier to fathom the overall meaning of each of the songs on TLOAS than TTPD! We’re still trying to work out wtf The Black Dog means. TLOAS interpretation is made even easier by how much she has let us into her life in recent interviews. That doesn’t mean that the lyrics aren’t ILLEGAL and superior 😭 “cry my eyes violet” I am still not over that lyric holy shit.

Ash94

You've said this perfectly. Please keep sharing your opinions. If people disagree that's okay. It annoys me when it gets rude and snappy like it did in your comment section. It seems very petty when we're all here just to share in our collective love for Taylor 🥰 xx

E ✨🩷

I said it once and I'll say it again, I'm a patreon of you girls and Swiftologist (Zach & Madeline) too and the way you guys get dragged for the mildest of opinions is CRAZY!! Those people would not survive on the Swiftologist patreon 😭 I think some people just want others to think the exact same way as them all the time and it's not healthy. Sending lots of love!! ❤️

Alexandra Bennett

So sorry you’re receiving negative comments. I interpreted the video as you guys explaining how this album can APPEAR less “deep” because of the vibe and how boppy it is but when you guys were explaining your favorite lyrics you were actually explaining how crazy deep a lyric is when you really think about it and take away the bop sound behind it. I was actually very grateful for this video because it helped me understand that these lyrics and songs actually do have a lot of meaning behind them. I was struggling with that and that video helped me. Appreciate you chickens 💓

ElleJay

Wow 😮. I cannot believe anyone got that view from your video. I loved your insights on the ‘keeping at arms length’ because it was something I thought was very interesting too and your articulation on that was so spot on. I think it’s masterful how Taylor has given a broad ‘Travis is fucking amazing’ but without intricate details. There are so many songs that seem like they are Travis coded but I truly believe there are multiple layers to a lot of them. The beauty of art is that it can be multi layered and not everyone will view or perceive it the same way BUT that’s the BEAUTY!! It’s not positive or negative when coming from a place of curiosity, appreciation of the gift, the interest to delve deeper and the knowledge of the lore behind it. It’s simply a love of art and an artist. Thankyou for standing up for yourselves even though you shouldn’t have to. 🩷🩷

Macarena

I didn't find anything wrong in your new video, it is quite disappointing as I assume all adults in this community cannot communicate effectively when people have different opinions. Love your videos and insights as always! Being able to listen and discuss different taylor things is the best! Reason why we all here

Heath Zappa

If YOU guys are getting hate the world is screwed I’m sorry but you guys couldn’t be any kinder😭😭🧡 I appreciate so much your nuance in conversation!!

Hayden Brice

Nuance is important! I love a glitter pen song (genuinely!) but they're less poetic than quill and fountain pen songs. That's not an insulting statement. Taylor is doing something else. The intent is different. Y'all aren't wrong (either factually or morally) for acknowledging that

Emily Elser

Don’t let the negative comments overshadow the positive ones. This is my safe space for Taylor. I won’t mention who but I unsubscribed from another patreon that was really disappointing to me, you guys are the only ones left for me for Taylor. I don’t even want to look at the comments on the other video. There are deep lyrics in this album, maybe not so poetic but people just want to take the “worst” from the album. She’s happy. I will never understand how people think it’s the most cringe album when she has done funny and “cringe” lyrics in almost every album. “I come back stronger than a 90’s trend” “I bet you’ll never find another like meeeeee” “I’m doing good I’m on some new shit” And they are on critically acclaimed albums. Your joy for Taylor is what keeps me here.

Mex

let me quote taylor alison swift's handwritten opinion of your talents as reactors in regard to her music. "you've made me laugh and feel understood many times with your reviews", "i'm so grateful to you for how much you care about my music", and "putting out new albums can be such a vulnerable feeling and i feel like the way you focus on the lyrics is so thoughtful". i believe the majority of us understand your hearts and support you even if we don't always fully agree. i never question your intent or motives. the rude remarks about your intentions and talents contradict taylor's own feelings about you and what i personally know about you. i love you both and appreciate you every day. biggest hugs to you

charlotte

I agree with everything you've said her and everyone's comments to you. I would add that I realise patreon is your business and you want to keep everyone happy. However I can guarantee that for each person complaining out loud that you aren't being positive enough 100% of the time there is another person not commenting that is enjoying the nuance in the conversation or even thinking they'd like more constructive criticism. Taylor has so many different styles across her albums that no one person could 100% like everything without a single bit of criticism or in this instance think everything she's ever written is the best or deepest or most specific lyric she's ever written (it's not possible). My point being, so long as you are never hateful (which i wouldn't in my wildest dreams ever think you would be) you need to be true to yourselves with your opinions and be confident in them. You'll never please everyone but you can't be in a position where you start to fake reactions to keep certain people happy as you'll just isolate others. I can't imagine how hard it is to read so many people misunderstanding you and im not advocating you ignore it, you can clarify if you think maybe you didn't your point across properly.. But do not second guess yourselves or let the negative comments misconstruing you affect you. You don't need to justify your opinions.

Samantha

Love you guys and always appreciate hearing your opinions! It’s so weird to me to see people in this community get so rude and defensive - like if you’re here surely you have some knowledge of the girls and know that they’re always coming from a positive place and have so much love for Taylor?!?

Kjersti

I loved that video because I felt like I finally got some nuanced “criticism” without being hateful. I know you love the album, it’s been very obvious to me from the get go. I’ve always said the biggest issue with the internet is the black and white culture. No nuance and no way to grow and explore. I love your videos and energy, please never change that because some people might not get it ❤️❤️

S.C

I’m not sure if you’ve ever said this in one of your videos or not, but I definitely get the idea by watching your content and fathoming this album. Which is that, writing happy, lighthearted songs is somehow a way of expressing vulnerability. Just like what Taylor wrote about in Eldest Daughter, she’s been dying just from trying to seem cool. And for the first time in her life, she can finally be fully confident and comfortable about releasing an album like Showgirl. Because she knows that she doesn’t have to be THE cool girl. I think that’s why she kept saying in every interview, this is the album she has been wanting to make this whole time. AND, I really love every single one of your videos!!!!! Thank you for always expressive your love and understanding for Taylor. I just adore you two sooooooo much! 🧡🫂

Laura

Omg can’t believe you have to make this statement.. I think we can all agree that some parts (in my opinion songs like wood, eldest daughter and cancelled) simply don’t live up to the writing on tortured poets or folklore/evermore… That doesn’t mean that people can’t enjoy it for what it is. She had a great release, broke even more records and is thriving in her personal life.. it’s alright that she’s not making the most groundbreaking album of the century from a writing perspective with tloas 😱

Gia

🤭🤭🤭 what this one said hehehe

izzy

We love you guys and we understand you ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Mex

beautifully said, char

S.C

I won’t be able to have a deeper understanding about this album without any of your thoughts and discussions!!!! Simply have to comment here today!!!!!!

Courtney D

I was so sad reading this! You both are so brave to put yourself out there so vulnerably every week. There are so many people in this community, it's shocking how happy most of us are, because it is HARD to please people at this day in age. But honestly, I think we stay (or at least I do!) because we are fans of your insight! This has been the only community where I felt safe to discuss my joy for this album. Any ventures outside have been short and terrifying and I always end up back here! So many thoughtful and supportive souls here, thank you for gathering them! Clearly you both care and are thoughtful, empathetic souls yourself, let's give each other the benefit of the doubt and enjoy discussing this art! I feel guilty myself of being super defensive about my love for this album because of the initial intense backlash (which I still cannot figure out how much was actually real). Ok, I think that's what I wanted to say, I cried when I read this because of how brave you both are to continually take so much feedback. I really appreciate what you do.

Katie✨🇬🇧

I don’t comment often on here, but I need to tell you girls that you did nothing wrong. You’ve made it very clear that you adore this album, and it’s totally ok to express your opinions. I hate that you felt the need to explain yourselves. Your both so authentic and honest, and I love that, so please never change❤️ I also want to say that you two are the only people in my life right now that make me feel seen in terms of the way I care about Taylor, because I don’t have anyone else who cares the same way I do. It’s honestly sometimes hard being on my own in a fandom as huge as this. It’s been hard to ignore all of the hate around this album as well, and the joy you two have bought me has really helped me to forget about it, so thank you for that. Please remember that love is always stronger than negativity, and that’s never gonna change. Love you both so much❤️‍🔥

LauBR

❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Eevaliisa H.

I was surprised to see this post for sure, I watched your lyrics video and I don't understand where all these negative comments came from. Some Peep totally misunderstood the points you were making ❤️ I guess it is the downside of you girls having a bigger platform for yourself than ever before

Jana Fuller

It’s ridiculous you have to make a post like this I’m sorry!

Stacy Schindler

Haven’t read the comments on your favorite lyric post, but I’m so sad you guys have gotten responses that make you feel the need to write this. To me, it was very clear you were just many observations of why it could be perceived that some songs aren’t too deep, but then you always went on to say how either that was the intent and it’s perfect, or how there are in fact deep pieces that others seem to be missing. Regardless, you always have Taylor’s back 100% so the fact you are getting responses that make you feel like people think you’re talking poorly of her or album is truly insanity to me. Keep your heads high. Almost all of us here love you girls so much and truly your videos make me so happy every time I watch them. Sending you so many positive vibes ❤️❤️❤️

Anne

I think it‘s Important to have a nuanced honest conversation! This Channel lives from your honesty and excitement, it is so valid to Adress one‘s opinions in Order to be authentic. I feel the Same way about the album‘s depth and am happy to hear others speak about it. Hope You’re well!

Dorka

Jesus christ, what is wrong with people!!! You should be able to say that you don't like something, or that something is not that deep. Not everything that Taylor puts out is gold, she has 250+ songs she can have flops, even if you still enjoy everything. Don't let the bastards get you down!! Love you!!

chatsandreacts

😭😭 we appreciate Char!! Thanks for getting it 💛

Carly

Perhaps people are interpreting “deep” differently? I resonated with what you both said. I do think this album is deep in the sense that she’s sharing parts about her life or how she’s feeling. But compared to TTPD or Midnights, I feel like we aren’t mining the songs or lyrics AS MUCH to try and understand what she’s referring to. We’ve had way more access to her than we’ve had in recent years thanks to the interviews, I think that makes it clearer where she’s at life wise too.

Celina

Damn, I had no idea that people took those thoughts the wrong way. I was in 100% agreement with the things you said in that video. Know that there is still a lot of us that get you girls. Sending you lots of love!

Kayla Rowberry

I'm so grossed out at the reactions of people that made you feel like you needed to post this. I find you two to be a breath of fresh air in the commentary world and love that you are unafraid to say what you love about this album in the face of all those who have jumped on the hate train. I personally love this album too. I recent joined your patreon for specifically because of your reactions and thoughts on this album. You are the only Patreon I'm subscribed to actually. You keep doing what you're doing and stay true to who you are, because that is what we love about you!

✨Bri✨

Chickens!! Your discussions I feel are always open and honest! Thank you for being that way. I love you both and your positivity shines through for me in everything you do! You were a safe haven when this album came out, I feel like this community felt it especially when the hate was strong in the rest of the internet in regards to this album! 🫶❤️‍🔥

Michaela

I really appreciate you guys opening up the conversation about the depth of this album. Personally I do think it's her weakest album, precisely because it lacks that depth and complexity that I've come to love from her (though I will give credit to the run of Father Figure-Eldest Daughter-Ruin the Friendship, which do have a lot of depth and are, for me, the heart of the album). I think there are potentially interesting reasons why, to many of us, the album comes across this way. She was a year and a half into a physically and mentally grueling tour, and so exposed to the world at that time, that I think maybe she almost had to dehumanize herself to get through it. To me the position of the album toward the listener feels like it's keeping an arm's length, and also feels a little bit resentful, like she doesn't want people knowing all her business. Which, as a human being, is totally fair. On the other hand, TTPD, whose CONTENT carries a lot of resentment, actually has a much more generous position toward the listener. She was letting us into her heart completely. Maybe in the current phase of her life, she has things in her private emotional sphere that she feels are worth protecting, and I totally respect that, she has every right to share only what she wants to share. But I do think it makes for weaker art. And I think that's an interesting conversation to have.

Foxy_Tatty

I’m sorry you ladies were pushed to explaining yourselves in this way. I totally got what you guys were saying. I 💯agree. It’s such a fun album, but it’s its own treasure. It feels more radio friendly, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I wish people would just leave instead of being so rude. Love you ladies so much and I appreciate the hard work . I’m spoiled with these videos and would hate to see them fade away due to negative people.

Alyssa Zawicki

You ladies are amazing! I loved the last video (and all of the rest!). Don’t let the frightful flops get you down.

Roxyy

Suprised to hear that! I thought even swifties agreed that this albums lyrics have many issues

Foxy_Tatty

Also, it’s so funny how you guys were like, well, it’s lacking a bit of depth…. And then proceeded to praise and talk about how your favorite lyrics had so much depth to them 😂🫶🏼 it seems shallow on the surface, but if you dig deep, there’s more to it, and your discussions have helped me see that. It’s like you can never win. If you say you love everything Taylor does, people think you’re not being authentic. But then slightly criticize her, and now you’re the worst 🙄 come on, people! It’s exhausting

Marisa

Social media has been a war zone since this album came out. There's been so much negativity and hate and misunderstanding around the album. Now if anyone says something that might even seem like a minor criticism, people who enjoy the album will get their pitchforks out and misconstrue it as being part of the hate train. This is exactly why we need you ladies so much, because you can actually express nuanced opinions. 💜 It's sad that it also means the social media trauma is being taken out on you. I'm so sorry this had to happen. ☹️ I know you already know this, but just as a loving reminder, the VAST majority of us love you and your content, therefore most of the time we don't even feel the need to comment and we just watch and move on. It's always the negative vocal minority who speak up the most and it's not an accurate representation of how your community as a whole feels. 💜

Rachel

I’ve never commented on your videos - I’m here for your infectious vibes only and to simply surround my self with love and understanding about this once in a generation artist. But it makes me so sad that people have made you feel this way so I simply had to comment here to say that I love you guys - you make me feel seen in a world that can sometimes be very judgmental about any kind of joy found in any kind of fandom! I hope you can take comfort in the knowledge that the majority of us here see you, we understand you and we simply couldn’t function without your ‘deeply offensive and superior’ take on this absolutely outstanding album. Thank you seeing me - I take huge pride in being an unapologetic Swifie and you make me feel like that is 100% ok! 🫶

AzB

Wow had no idea! Unfortunately there is a group of Taylor “fans” that clearly do not use critical thinking and do not understand the meaning of constructive criticism. These people cannot understand that not everything Taylor does will be for everyone. Personally for me, this is not my favorite album. Love the vibes and the bops and the look of it. I mean these pictures of Taylor in this rollout are truly the most “offensive” EVER 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Since I am an Evermore girly at heart (and Folklore of course), this album is not top for me. I DO need the lyricism for it to hit. This is OKAY. Nobody is going to die. We will survive. This album is fun, happy.. She this on purpose. I think some people take the parasocial thing way too far. You guys keep doing your thing and thanks for the fabulous content you create 🫶🏻

Jenny Fowler

I’m a relatively new Swiftie (only a couple of years in) and you two are BY FAR my favorite Taylor pros because all of your conversations are nuanced! I think you both are brilliant and are able to articulate how her music makes you feel and fathom so eloquently. I’m sorry you had to write this post. You two chickens light up our world! ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

nikki

You did not need to release this statement at all because your meaning and intent were very clear, and the issue is definitely not you. You have spoken so highly of this album but even if you hated it, that would be valid! It is so frustrating that so many people in this fandom cannot handle nuanced discussions about Taylor’s art and jump down the throats of anyone who dares not offer effusive praise for everything Taylor does. It is childish and makes the entire fandom look bad and unreasonable. I completely agreed with your take on the depth of the album, and even on the rare occasions I don’t agree with you, I always respect your opinions. I also always love how much you respect each other’s opinions when you disagree with each other! It takes a lot to be vulnerable on the internet and put yourself out there and I appreciate all that you do to build this community and this channel.

Stevie

Please don’t dial back your nuance because of this 💜 I love that you create space for layered, thoughtful conversations about Taylor’s work—even when we don’t all land in the exact same place. You’re safe, heard & appreciated here, and I hope you keep sharing your honest love, admiration and insights with us. By the way: I follow you from the beginning and you’re part of my Taylor experience!! Thank you 🙏🏻

MwanaLesa

This is my first comment on your videos. I am so sorry that you felt the need to post this. You are both soooo smart and so amazing and you are an absolute asset to the Swiftie community. Your opinions on the album were perfect valid AND true. Thank you for sharing them with us. Ignore the people who are criticizing your video and your take. THEY are the problem. Not you. Honestly when I hear people who have NOTHING critical to say about this album, I tune them out because they are obviously not using their brains. Being a Swiftie does NOT require absolute adoration of every single thing Taylor does or says or wears. Smart people know that. I adore my mother and father but sometimes they miss the mark. It doesn’t make me adore them any less.

Lizzie Johnson

Just want to reshare this part of your message to make it clear that you’re keeping the conversation open and haven’t fully decided where you stand on this, as it seems people are trying to conclude your opinions for you: “it can be perceived as ‘less’ deep/complex than other recent albums Taylor has given us, and we wanted to open up a conversation about this and hear your thoughts as we hadn’t (and still haven’t) fully subscribed to this idea.” But despite where you do land, the main thing that people need to remember if they disagree with your view is that you celebrate the diversity of different Taylor opinions in this community with the understanding that everyone here loves and respects Taylor’s art (unlike the wilderness of social media). That’s why this is a safe space to discuss different viewpoints because we should all know that we will keep supporting Taylor until the end of time. And you girls have really helped us increase our love and appreciation for Taylor’s creations, so I would happily listen to any viewpoints you have despite whether I think the same <3

Nicholas Carson

People are so sensitive to the slightest hint of negativity and run as far as possible with it it’s really astounding

Dina Posner

I’m so glad you felt brave enough to write this response and stand up for yourselves! (I sometimes struggle with the same confidence in trying to respond to situations like this in my own life). And it’s so true that this should be a place for constructive discussion that lacks malice! I do have a small suggestion that the word “deep” may be problematic, because it is such a subjective term. I do think cryptic vs. non cryptic is a quite helpful lens to look at it through. You’re the best chickens! Keep doing you 🫶

sahej

Girls you’ve been a safe space for so many since this album came out and the chaos that was out there. It’s absurd that people would question you after all this time, you’re both gems remember that. As Taylor herself said in your letters she felt seen with your videos, hold on to that. You know who you are and your intentions being everything you do. Well done standing up for yourselves🫶 Sending so much love!

Vane G

It's so sad that you had to make this statement in the first place. Girls, you always give us the best opinions and reviews about Taylor and music in general. that's one of the reasons we're still here, because we love your work and appreciate every video you give us, so you are definitely not the problem. I've been here long enough to know that your words are always full of love and positive criticism and never hate. That's another reason why I think this community is magical. I send you a big hug, and never stop being yourselves. Let's keep the magic alive here. Love you, girls. ✨️🫶

Cooler Fan

We’re all on the same page ❤️

Floran

Oh wow I didn’t see those comments, how bizarre! I didnt take your comments as negative at all, just a different take. And indeed: interesting to discuss..

Marisa

I should probably also admit that I'm not above this kind of thing. There were a couple moments while watching the video that I very briefly thought "ouch." But that's where critical thinking comes in, and recognizing that the knee-jerk reaction was my social media trauma talking. I have watched every video you girls have ever made about Taylor, most more than once. And I use all those hours and days I have spent with you two to surmise your true intent and meaning. I wish we could all give each other the benefit of the doubt and be less quick to misunderstand each other. 🫶

Madeline

Love you girls

Laurel

“Everyone’s cutthroat in the comments” ….Ladies, take a page out of Taylor’s book and you do you; people will agree or not. Your energy and thoughts are why we are all here.❤️

Rebecca

Call the haters out. Love every discussion!!

ayla çimen

it is the viewer's responsibility to discern whether something is truly offensive or not, and I think a lot of people are just having a knee-jerk reaction to be hurt on Taylor's behalf instead of considering the fact that you guys have not said anything actually offensive. Taylor is specifically said that her goal on this album was not to reveal her soul in the gory detail of Red and TTPD... I think (and this is sincere advice) that if you were hurt by this it's time for a break from the internet. go climb a tree or read a book. take care of yourself darlings.

✨ Miray ✨

Let’s all just love TLOASG for what it is ❤️‍🔥 infectious and happy. The beauty of our Queen having such a large discography is the privilege to pick whatever song or album resonates with you in that moment.

Clive

Sending good vibes your way. You are our favourite Taylor Swift people. TLOAS is not supposed to be TTPD. Taylor said that herself. Looking forward to your breakdown of the songs.

Molly Gibson

Wow I hadn’t looked at the comments. I’m so sorry. That’s an obvious misconstrual of 2 of the most positive people ever. Especially people on Patreon should know better. For my part I absolutely loved that conversation that you started and really appreciated the nuance you were bringing.

Cassy

aw girls i’m so sorry you felt misunderstood by your last video i had NO idea you’d be taken so literally and feel bad that i contributed to that! i had commented very early on but didn’t realize you were being flooded by similiar comments.i also never thought you two personally were saying the album had no depth just that you were bringing that criticism up. i definitely got defensive about the criticism but was not intending that defence to be towards you girls just in the hopes that people reading the comments might see it and either relate or see a new/different perspective and consider it. i love how open and positive this space primarily is and id never want to be apart of that negativity. love you girls so much and all you do and please keep continuing these conversations!!! we are on your side 🫶🏼❤️

Jen

It’s almost like these commenters didn’t even HEAR what y’all said at the beginning of that video….and omfg the irony. Keep going the fuck off ladies. ❤️‍🔥🫶🏻

Cordelia De Luna

Something that me and my mom fathomed the other day is that with Jack, he brings out the poetic nature in Taylor while Max and Shellback focus on how the music sounds. And I think the reason for this is because M&S are ESL (English as second language) so they make sure it sounds good since they don’t the vocabulary as well. Jack, on the other hand, is a native English speaker and is able to pull out those $5 words from Taylor and even help out with word choice. We have evidence to prove all this through all the voice memos from 1989 and LOAS as well as “the making of rep.”

Kelsi Ford

Just throwing in that I like hearing your honest thoughts and authentic feelings so I hope you both keep feeling safe and supported to do so! 💖

Danielle Strahan

This is legitimately the most outrageous thing for someone (you two especially!!!!) to have to explain….

ayla çimen

I understood what you guys were saying AND I think it's super helpful to have it typed out here so that those who didn't understand can have another go. I really think people were just having an emotional reaction and weren't engaging with what you girls were really trying to get at.

Goldbourne Mascal

Maybe it's an age thing but even though I like everything that Taylor puts out it is not complete until the songs are fathomed by Chats and Reacts. You do a good job. Thank you!

Leelou

As someone who is most probably much older than most here and who is a Folklore, Evermore, TTPD, Red Swiftie, I currently have Showgirl ranked 5th or 6th in her discography. It is my favorite “pop” album of hers. Taylor landed on my radar with You Belong With Me and while I listened to all her albums after, it was during covid that Folklore and the Folklore reaction from you two remarkable young women literally saved my sanity. I had never seen a “reaction” video before and your honest, hysterical and thought provoking reaction had me watching over and over just as I listened to Folklore itself over and over. It was such a dark and uncertain time and I can never thank you gals and Taylor for alleviating some of that darkness. As an older woman, I don’t understand “cringe” and don’t understand how it is applied to both Taylor and this current album. Taylor has always been such a dichotomy of a strong, confident and deeply talented woman who also experiences self doubt, goofiness and deep feelings. Don’t so many of us? Why is that “cringe” to show all facets of oneself? No wonder she says she is dying from trying to be cool. Taylor herself said that TTPD was all about the lyrics. That was her focus on that album and at the time that album was criticized for being too long, too sad and too hard to grasp by many. Now she creates Showgirl in the middle of a grueling 2-year tour, in the middle of a new, blooming and obviously deep love all while recovering from a traumatic breakup of a long term relationship in which she fought so hard to keep and a blast from the past, whirlwind narcissistic love bomb. This album is fun and boppy yet still introspective and deep in certain areas and lyrics. I think and hope the docu-series will show fans exactly how difficult the tour, the past loves and the blossoming new love affected her physically and mentally. To grapple with so much and still create a short, concise, fun album that reflects where she was at that moment in her life is what makes her the icon that she is. You lovely ladies should never have to explain yourselves. Your reactions, opinions and engagement are a gift to us and any pushback or misunderstandings are inappropriate to voice on this platform. Everyone has different life experiences and thoughts to bring to the table and understanding that is a big issue with this discourse. Finally, speaking from the US, it is a frightful and dangerous time right now and everyone’s emotions are extremely heightened in one fashion or another. Common sense and common courtesy are a lost art and I truly believe that a lot of the discourse over this album is just how Americans now react these days and I am sad that this has affected how some commented on your last post. 💔 Selfishly I would love to see a reaction and breakdown of Florence’s new album. I am spellbound by it and it is so deep and rich in storytelling and womanhood. If you do reaction, please listen to a bit of what she was going through at that time….she is doing many interviews for this album to give context. 🫶🏻

Cassy

i think people need a reminder they don’t have to agree with everything they see someone else say and they also don’t have to respond everytime either with their own opinion or thought. and i also need this reminder sometimes. i think we all do. i don’t always agree with you chickens (that’s the beauty of art, it’s subjectivity) but i always love hearing what you have to say regardless. i think it’s harder than ever now not to want to stand up for this album and taylor but no one needs to be mean to each other. in other news IM SO EXCITED FOR THE FATE OF OPHELIA BREAKDOWN!!! been binge watching all the midnights and ttpd ones lately as we wait for tloas one’s, cannot wait 😍

Emma

Honestly I appreciate you guys so much throughout everything Taylor does. We don’t all have to agree with everything that each other says but I fully appreciate every opinion you guys make whether I agree or not. You guys have given us so much of late (and always) so to feel like you have to make this statement is really sad to see. I respect you guys so much and I have understood Taylor’s songs a lot more because of this community. Your videos make my day and just thank you for existing and giving us so much of your time ❤️

Janie

I enjoy you and your enthusiasm- and I absolutely love this album and I love that to me. It’s like a very layered cake and every time I listen to it again, it’s like biting into the next layer and getting into enjoy its texture and yumminess. And at the end of the day, art is subjective and I think when she realize she intentionally used this vernacular to make a point, you can choose to follow the rabbit hole to see what the point is or just feel all the joyful vibes. It’s the coolest. I hate that you felt like you had to make this statement, but there’s so much weirdness happening in this rollout that I can’t help but feel that there are people who are not fans of Taylor Swift, who may have spent some coins so that robots are out there making this noise because after all, it is factual that bots now make up 51% of the Internet.Imagine that. Bots are now 51%. So a lot of that crap that you might be reading, may not even be from a human being.

Lindsay

You were very clear in the video how you feel and what you meant. If people didn’t get it, that’s a them problem. I know you feel the need to explain, as you’ve said before you don’t like feeling misunderstood, but honestly, you’re good.

Meghan Keller

You two are great. Keep doing what you’re and ignore the haters.

Anna Wiechhusen

I missed the comments you are now reacting to and was just genuinely sorry that you even felt such a statement was necessary. I think a critical, nuanced and honest approach to any art is showing the art respect in itself. If we blindly just repeat the same hyper praise about every one of Taylors moves, it starts to not matter what she creates. I don't think she would want that. Her albums differ extremely in what part of song writing she prioritizes, how deeply honest she is versus if she keeps us at arms length a little bit, if she has a concept strategy or if she simply has to 'vomit out' songs like she described with ttpd. I don't understand how one can be a patreon member for your specific chanel and expect none of this discussed critically. Love you girls, amongst other things especially for your honesty and critical thinking abilities

Courtney Schmidt

I have been behind on my Chats & Reacts content. But I'm immediately coming to your defense and sending my love 💗 You have shown nothing but 100% support for Taylor's work and I always enjoy the discussion and rabbit holes we go down as we go deeper into understanding what in the world she might be saying to us 🤔 and sometimes it doesn't have to be deep and we move right along to the next verse or song. No big deal. Ugh, I just appreciate you two and your Chats & Reacts team that help you too - the community you have created is the best! ❤️‍🔥🫶

Jade

F the haters and small minded, you two are perfection and pure joy!!

Joy

I don’t know what I missed and frankly have no desire to go try to figure it out. I rarely comment but I want to say that you two are great, your reactions are both nuanced and extremely fun, and I’m glad you’re here and giving us so much to engage with. This is just a storm inside a teacup.

Momo

The chickens that get it, get it. Our differences in opinion in this community keeps it interesting, but I hate knowing how people will twist your words into something it's not, espeeeccccially within this perfect little nugget of the internet. Love you guys! Your thoughts and feelings are valid and came across with genuine care and respect towards Taylor and her craft. I hope the people who left unkind comments can have a look inward. 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

Inés Fernández A.

First and foremost, you're entitled to your opinions and feelings about the album. Did I disagree with some of those opinions in the last video? Yes. Did I agree with some others? also Yes. What I never did was think there was ill intent or a hateful sentiment behind any of it. You have shown us who you are, so I don't understand the aggressiveness of some of the comments left in that video. Anyway, I adore TLOAS and I think you two are AMAZING.

Jenny

It’s always fun to compare how we all feel about art, because it is so subjective. But being nasty and rude has no place in the conversation!!

Cassy

also side note: the most offensive part of your video for me was that neither of you said elizabeth taylor was PURPLE 🤣🤣🤣

Richard

I have been a fan of you since the Folklore reaction and an OG fan of Taylor since Tim McGraw being an older swiftie and I thought you were always positive about Taylor. I hope this comes off as constructive criticism but sometimes with other artists you react to, you compare them to much with Taylor. You can't because Taylor is a different breed of artist than others. No one else does lyrics like her. But doesn't mean other artists are still not great. One is Selena reaction. She is not known for poetic words. Also I love Kelly Clarkson and I was a little saddened by Bonny's comments before. But I am not going to leave because of that. I hate the TikTok losers who interpret these songs in an idiotic way saying Taylor is racist and this trad wife garbage. Probably the same people who critized TTPD for being too long and wordy. Taylor can't win with these people. So I hope you don't get too down about the comments. I am still here supporting you.

Katrina

No one is allowed to have nuanced opinions about this album, and it's made me not listen to it (or rather the songs I like since half the song are not my taste) since it came out. I'm so sick of the discourse from BOTH the people who obsessively love her and the ones that hate her, y'all are two sides of the same coin.

Janie

It drives me nuts how often you guys have to come on here and defend yourself.

Regina Phalange

This is such an excellent point! Surely great art warrants discussion. If she wasn’t such a genius, we wouldn’t be able to have so much discourse about her body of work!

Valerie

yes thank you, any other color just feels wrong 😅

jtcyang

Please remember that people who misunderstand you and have negative views are more likely to comment than people who understand you -- so for every negative comment you see, there are many times more people who disagree with that than is even reflected by the amount of positive comments

Emily

"People throw rocks at things that shine" ❤️

Astoria

I completely agree with what you said in the video and here! Even if I didn’t, you’re allowed to say how you feel and what you think!! That’s why we enjoy watching you all so much!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Geneva

PERIOD.

Juliana Martinez

did you watch their last video on patreon? i personally loved the video and agreed but some of the comments were slightly negative

Camila Dejesus

Hi ladies! I am one of the people you responded to and I’m so sorry if I left you feeling misunderstood. To be clear, I never thought you were insulting or speaking negatively about the album at all. I didn’t mean to insinuate we as fans NEED her to be suffering, more that that’s the main difference between this album and others and could be a contributing factor as to why it feels surface. It’s clear that’s not where you were going, but your perspective, at least on my end, was never taken in bad faith. I love the community you’ve created and hope you’re able to express your opinions and we can continue breaking down the album 🫶🫶🫶

Erin

I completely agree with what you said in the video! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion🩷

M

Ever since the album has come out I haven’t been consuming much Taylor content regarding it, because the environment surrounding it has been so unpleasant and I’m trying to preserve my own feelings/relationship with it. This is a prime example of that and I feel sorry that you girls had to explain yourselves, especially on Patreon where I thought more people were willing to give you the benefit of doubt and know how much you love Taylor and the album. Please keep on doing what you’re doing and spreading your positivity and passion! ❤️‍🔥🎭🍾💃🏻✨

Shay2theT

The vocal minority can be so loud. This is a great defense of yourself. Hope they get it now. 😑

Bradi R

You’re amazing! People get way. Too. Upset. About things when they don’t need to. I thought you guys brought up a great discussion, especially since I’d been thinking it myself for the past couple of weeks. Why don’t I know a little bit more about her relationship with Travis when I knew a lot more about her past relationships? Why don’t I know exactly how she was feeling on certain moments of her life the past years when I was let in so intimately with TTPD? And these are all so valid and interesting to think about. I feel this way about 1989 following Red, too, like you discussed in your video. I LOVE the way you speak about Taylor and her career. It’s very important to me to have this community to reflect on this art!

Shay2theT

The purpose of poetry and music are to make you feel what the artist feels. To help us feel joy requires very different directives.

Bradi R

I also just want to say, Taylor clearly welcomes discussion. She said herself, if you’re talking about her album, you’re helping. It’s art and people are going to absorb it and take what they take from it. Another thing is she wants it to be a reflection. When you listen to it now you might think oh, this is a fun pop album. But possibly later in life if you have an experience or new relationship etc, you might look back on this album and realize things you didn’t before. I haven’t listened to 1989 as a whole in years. It was never a favorite of mine growing up since I was so much more of a Red, Speak Now, lyrics girl. I’m now 28 and spent some time with it recently because I feel like my life is similar to how Taylor’s was when she wrote it. And it feels as if I’m seeing it clearly for the first time. This is what art does, and this is how Taylor stays so relevant, an stays on top

Jennaly

The fact that people jumped down your fault makes me mad for a lot of reasons. First, you guys have been Taylor's #1 supporters, to the level that you two are the only fans that she invited to the VIP tent during Eras and wrote personalized letters for. She only did that because she knows that you two adore everything she does. So much so that you two get criticisms online for being the girls who just "scream and yell" over everything she does. I was so pleasantly surprised to hear your nuanced discussion over Showgirl because you've pretty much only had complete praise for it. And isn't this why we're all here??? For analysis of our fave artist?? If people are going to jump down the throats of someone who provides even the slightest "criticism" (they weren't even criticising Showgirl), then we have a problem with society at large. We need to allow people to have opinions!!! I've been a subscriber for years and I've been silently begging them to have more nuanced opinions/criticisms and now I feel like they never will again because of this response

KyraB

I had no issues with your video and find weird anyone did. We all know your heart and the absolute love and respect you have for Taylor. I personally have found a lot of depth in this album in many different ways and just recently left a comment on that video discussing it. However even if I didn’t find depth that doesn’t mean it is a bad album. I personally am thrilled we got such a massive vibe change after TTPD I was really in need of fun vibes. Even if I thought all the songs were just surface level bops, which I don’t, the melodies are so catchy that I would still view this as a good album. My best friend’s review of this album was “I don’t think it’s as lyrically deep as her last couple albums and I am not mad about that, my brain needed a break. I can’t stop singing along to it and wake up with a different song stuck in my head if that is not a sign of a good album I don’t know what is”

Swiftlennial

This brings up such a wonderful opportunity for discussion around the validity of an artist expressing joy over pain. To express either and put it out to the world is a deeply vulnerable thing to do. And when you compare Taylor’s disclaimers for TTPD versus TLOAS, the albums are very much foils in her discography and it seems intentionally so. Both albums have been extremely healing for me personally, just in different ways. TLOAS is incredible because it’s a “choose your own adventure” in regards to its depth. It’s a cenote — so clear it seems shallow but actually goes down 50 ft into a cave system.

Cid

I hate that you have to defend yourself, you have every right to feel and say what you think. We know where your heart is even when you say something less than positive. People get upset with you guys for always being too positive anyway 😅

Cid

While you ladies were talking about that in the video I found myself nodding in agreement saying “yep, yep, yep” it’s like you articulated what I was feeling perfectly about this album. My own TS 🫶🏼

Brooke Noelle

Some people are so dead set on getting up in arms about anything and everything that they fail to see the thing they’re defending so vehemently was never under attack in the first place. You are the most gentle critiquers everrrrr, and if people feel the need to be mean in the comments when you are so gentle in your videos, let them do it into a void. They can work out the muscles in their fingers instead of in their minds on their own! ✌️ I feel like the only way anyone could have thought you were being negative is if they didn’t actually watch the whole video. If they did, and they still think you were being negative (not constructive or idk just normal), then we may have a critical thinking problem on our hands, folks 😳

Sam

Far out, people are exhausting. For what it is worth I really appreciated the honesty. I enjoy Showgirl, but it is far from my favourite Taylor album and I do think there are a lot of valid criticisms. I was personally pleased to see you girls move past the original excitement to be more objective about it. If everything is “the best thing ever” then nothing is, you know? I value your honesty and objectiveness way more than blind standom. Stan culture is exhausting and damaging. Slander and hate campaigns can get in the bin, but there has to be room for fair critique.

Kylie Bowers

I thought all of this was obvious and I’m surprised you’ve had to explain this! I appreciated your insights and I fully agree. Please don’t feel like you have to hide your true opinions, as these are what we come here for ❤️

Mads

Haters will always find their way here. People will always twist your words. People really do throw rocks at things that shine. I know it is hard especially when you are trying to build a safe respectful community, but your energy is expensive. Spending it on people who are hell bent on misunderstanding you, will drain you. Maybe see if a moderator can vet comments for you and tell you the highlights. You need your own Scott ❤️

sydney

I’m sorry that you guys had to explain this. I loved the open conversation you all brought up and it’s so disheartening that people don’t know how to share opinions or have an open discussion in a respectful manner. You are the smartest kindest chickens and we love you🩷🩷🩷🩷

Hannah B

Your job is to chat and react 😂 and that can involve at times critiquing, which doesn't mean what your saying is bad your just sharing your views. I understand how you could interpret that this album is less deep than her previous albums. I love going through others peoples comments and from your last video took a lot from other few peoples comments/ observations. I might see a comment that I don't necessarily agree but with further explanation I can maybe understand why they feel that way and sometimes a thoughtful calm discussion can change your opinion on something or make you see it through a different lens and that's why I love reading the comments. I hate seeing people quick to react and jumping down peoples throats nothing meaningful can come from that interaction. I look forward to seeing the breakdowns so I can continue to fathom!

Megan C

I am sorry you felt so misunderstood and totally understand and agree with what you said!! I've been trying to think of an analogy for how I feel about Showgirl and this is the best I've got, lol. It's like Taylor albums are all tv shows in the police/crime drama. evermore/folklore/Midnights/ Tortured Poets was like watching 20 seasons of Law and Order (or SVU) and then Showgirl comes along and it's like Brooklyn 99 and you just watch every single episode in two days and you're so full of joy that this show (album) exists in this refreshing funny little way. And that is how I feel about Showgirl and why I have listened to it 90,000 times. And I can't wait to see what you have to say next.

Megan C

And, I keep forgetting to ask this, but I am wondering if you would ever consider doing a Ko-fi or something so we could buy you matchas or tea or anything as a bonus bit of love. You worked so hard during Showgirl month and I wanted to give you a lovely bouquet or matcha or something ❤️

superscarf

Been a patron for years and will continue as long as you do! I’ve always appreciated that you want us to share our opinions even if they aren’t the same as yours. As a reminder for everyone, Taylor said this on New Heights about TLOAS: "My main goals were melodies that were so infectious that you're almost angry at it and lyrics that are just as vivid but crisp and focused and completely intentional.” Someone in the comments of the favorite lyrics post made an analogy between comedies & dramas and how the public perceives one as deeper than the other. I thought that was a good way to think about the criticism of TLOAS that it lacks depth. Anyway, thanks for keeping it 💯 with us! 😆

Cassy

i really love this! as an avid watcher of procedural tv shows you are SPOT on that folklore-ttpd is 20 seasons worth of law and order svu sooooo much lore, tough topics for sure and it might feel a bit jarring for some to go from that to something more light and upbeat like tloas/b99. just obsessed with this comparison haha

Megan C

Thank you- I was not sure it would land 😂😂

sierra

👏🏻👏🏻

Samawi A

I do not agree with some of what’s been said in this video, but I totally respect your point of view and what you’re saying. Love these types of videos btw because they create conversation and that’s much needed when you’re discussing art. My take is she didn’t have to tell us anything because I believe she has already dumped that information in tortured poets so it’s not keeping us at arm length more than she already said what needed to be said and she’s moving on and she’s happy. Taylor always said that she captures the feeling in her songs and I think this album is capturing the feeling of the summer she had with Travis so that doesn’t mean she’s necessarily holding back more of there is nothing to be said anymore, she said what needed to be said and she’s moving on. I found this album to be very deep, because even the idea of Taylor, being confident and happy for once in an album is deep enough for me (not that it isn’t for you guys) because it makes me feel so happy that she had finally reached the point where she doesn’t have to carry the burden that is the fear of a failing relationship. She’s finally confident in herself and just her saying that she wanted to make this album all along makes me feel bittersweet because she wasn’t able to be this much happy in order to create an album like this but now she is and this is why I appreciate this album so much. SHE CAUGHT LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE. I know you girlies are not saying what these comments are saying it’s more of my take on why I feel this is the most unique Taylor Swift album she has ever made. It doesn’t have that common denominator with the rest of her albums and that’s the point.

María Juárez

I’m a new subscriber, and I truly was your fan first and then I started to really listen to Taylor’s discography, your joy and love for her music is what ultimately made me give her art a chance and I’m grateful for it. I have seen recently a lack of nuance in society, conflicting opinions are natural even when you love the subject matter, sorry that you felt judged, but know that you have made an impact in my life and I am a little happier when you post on here or on YouTube.

Aubrey McMichael

i personally really appreciated your discussion in that video! and i think it is one happening across the fandom, sorry people are jumping down your throats!

Aubrey McMichael

interesting! this is a really good point and i think is something that can be found in a lot of their tracks. one that comes to mind is break free by ariana grande “now that i’ve become who i really are” she’s talked about how max thought “are” sounded better melodically despite it being grammatically incorrect

Elizabeth Matheson

I wish people would stop being so parasocial 😭😭😭😭😭 It’s okay to criticize art!!!! it’s okay not to connect with it or to think it’s not taylor’s best work!!!!!! it doesn’t make anyone less of a fan - indeed, the vast majority of people somewhat disappointed with this project are disappointed BECAUSE they are huge fans and know the incredible caliber of songwriting that Taylor is capable of! Don’t listen to the loud minority - I think more than ever people are interested in honest reactions and commentary, including critical commentary!

Lexa

It somtimes feels like you girls can’t win! Some people are mad when you are only “positive” and then when you offer very minor “critiques” if you could even call them that, people are mad about that too? I for one always appreciate when you share your full opinions whether they match with mine or not. Keep it up!

Nobody's gonna love you like me.

I'm sorry about what you felt and that I agree with your words. I can't even believe you had to explain this. Love you, chickens 🫶

Chloé

This is crazy and infuriating to me that some people can simply not respect other people’s opinions as soon as it’s slightly different than theirs 😢 Being critical doesn’t mean being hateful and we know you both love Taylor and this album and even if you didn’t like this album that much you would have the right to and that wouldn’t make you hateful or less of a fan 🫶 It’s impossible to love everything an artist put out and it’s also impossible to be 100% positive all the time. This community should be a safe space for everyone to express their opinions as long as it’s respectful, we’re all here cause we love Taylor and discussing her work and bringing up some constructive criticism shouldn’t be a problem. I personally enjoy when you’re having this kind of discussion bcs it adds to the conversation, makes us talk and exchange different points of views, that’s what art should be about 🫶

Aloha Record Sargent

We love you, and for many of us, this is the only online space we feel comfortable participating in. It’s almost a sacred space, even more so this past month as we have been battling what seems to be a manufactured or bot-driven hate campaign online. I think many of the comments on the video were a response to *that* online hate for the album, not a direct response to you!! But then all our individual comments add up unintentionally, and it’ can create bad vibes, which is the very thing we were all trying to escape from! So I’m glad you posted this follow up so we can all be mindful moving forward. We are probably all responding from trauma at this point, but it’s not fair to reflect this back on you two!

Jenny MacRunnel

I enjoyed your last video and I loved the discussion you guys had around it. I didn't think anything was negative at all, and its obvious to me how much you guys love it! But even if you didn't, its okay, because we all have our favorites and not favorites. I swear, no one can grasp nuance anymore. Some people like to take something someone says, and then twist it into a meaning where they can then shout "foul!" Anyways I appreciate all you do for this channel and love you chickens!

anna

I hope you know there are so many people here (including me) who didn’t even think about your words like this while watching your video! The internet is such a brutal place, not being in actual conversation with people means they can interpret your words as they please without you being present to defend them. It makes it easier for people to get brave in the comments! I’ve seen arguments in the comments of a taco recipe, it’s really just a problem with internet culture and it’s sad to see it permeate this swiftie safe space. I unfortunately do think that some swifties can be overly defensive of Taylor to the point where anything other than pure unapologetic praise is deemed hate. Taylor has said that people don’t have to put her in bubble wrap, that she’s not the art police, etc. We all will feel differently about this album and that’s okay!! That’s the point of art! I love listening to whatever you guys have to say because it’s so fun to learn new perspectives on something that we all love so much 💗💗💗 you guys have made being a swiftie 13,000 times better than it already was ☺️🫶🏻 I hope you’ll find this comment in the sea of comments and that it’ll bring you some comfort in knowing that so many of us know you guys have the best of intentions!

Drey Szabó

We love you guys, the majority of us over the drinking age limit understands nuanced conversations and knows you well enough to know you don’t say anything with a malicious intent

Abbey Abbott

I love this reflection AND I truly hope this doesn’t cause you ladies to edit yourselves in the future for fear of backlash. The depth of your conversations are what hooks me and you are ALWAYS entitled to your opinions because we are all grown ass adults. The fact that Taylor’s songwriting can even spark this kind of conversation is really incredible and I think she would absolutely love this entire discourse! And FWiW, the most beef I have with your opinions are your color choices for the songs 🤣🤣

Chloé

I totally agree with you !! I feel the same way about Showgirl but doesn’t mean I’m being hateful. I think it’s impossible to have a nuanced conversation on the internet these days and that’s really sad cause art is about difference of opinions and constructive criticism

DemiMarie🤍🖤

Love you chickens and we know how much you love not only this album but all of Taylor's albums fiercely 🙌🏻🫶🏻

hauntedwillow27

ppl who will not let any sort of opposite view or anything other than thinking her music is 100% perfection (i mean it is but u know what i mean) are just lying to themselves. your points are 1000% valid and i think most of us agree with you! it’s just fact - do we want to compare cardigan to wood?? 😭😭 she was aiming for a different goal with this album which is OKAY. pls don’t feel like you have to hide your true opinion!!

Tami

Love you girlies🫶🏼 At the time I checked the comments, many people, including me discussed their own opinions, but it was respectful and just an exchange of ideas. I'm sorry that some people wrote really negative things towards you...

Aloha Record Sargent

Ive been meaning to tell you two: We need your song breakdowns so you can educate the public on how superior the songs are! So excited for this.

Alison

I wanted to watch the video before commenting (I am a catch up on content at the weekend person!). I don't disagree with anything you said, art is subjective and personally I think some of the wider issues come from comparing album to album. They are separate entities, created at different times and reflecting different stages of the artists life..

Rachel B

I had no idea you guys got hate for this as i didn’t think anything of it. These songs are objectively more straightforward than others in her discography and that’s just a fact. Love watching you guys and appreciate all your discussions!

Pamela Jahrmarkt

I happen to love this album along with all the other ones. Each album has a distinct characteristics, and I think that the joy has much depth in TLOAS. I can’t agree with your POVs more about the community that you have created here. You two have always been a happy and a safe place for this Swiftie for all “chat.” Thank you for your service. 😊👯🐓🐥❤️‍🔥

Abby

Couldn’t have said that better myself, loved the video ☺️❤️

TScout

You’re doing amazing, chickens!! Exploration of criticism is important. And being able to understand and accept multiple points of views is a sign of true intelligence. It should be valued, not attacked. Very much looking forward to what you ladies have to say! 💓💓💓💓💓💓

Alison

Also to say... has any-one seen the Bruce Springsteen film "Deliver Me from Nowhere"? The focus was on his album Nebraska, created at a time where Bruce was experiencing mental health challenges. A reoccurring line in the film was "no single, no promotion, no tour".... it reminded me of TTPD... and his next album was Born In the USA (very different vibe).... I was sat in the cinema thinking about the parallels with Taylor Swifts discography and the external critique. Not entirely sure what I am trying to say (and still processing the film).... but I love the new album (50 year old) however my 16 year old daughter much prefers Folklore, Evermore and TTPD due to the lyrics. Anyhow - love seeing your videos and also reading the comments!

Olivia W

I didn’t read the comments on the last video so I didn’t realize people felt that way, and I’m so irritated that they did. You guys didn’t say anything wrong or offensive. The fact that you guys are always so positive about Taylor (to the point that some people have accused you of being TOO positive) and the one time you say something (which, let’s be real, was not even negative???) people jump all over you for it is so stupid. It just shows that you can’t win no matter what. When I got the notification, I thought this was gonna be an apology, and I’m genuinely thrilled that it wasn’t. In the past, I definitely think you guys have been pressured into apologizing for things that you shouldn’t have had to, so good on you guys for standing your ground. You deserve respect and boundaries too. Loved the video, love TLOAS, love you both. Keep being you and ignore the idiots ❤️

Kayla

I'm sorry you have had to deal with people on this platform twisting your words and intent. You both were incredibly clear in your video that not only were your comments NOT a criticism, but it was an idea you were still exploring and considering. And I think it is a valid, interesting, and nuanced conversation that can be had about this album, and one that I personally have also been thinking about the more I listen to this album. I really enjoy watching you both because you bring so much positivity but also because you are critical thinkers and intelligent listeners who can have these kinds of conversations in a purely curious and insightful way. Please continue doing what you do and hopefully the haters will simply see themselves out.

Caroline Farley

I don’t ever read the comments on the videos so I had no idea this was happening to you guys! I totally understood what you meant. It makes me sad you had to post this because this should always be a safe space. Most of us understand you and we’re here always to support you and respect you 💖🫶🏻

TScout

To be clear, even if you didn’t love this album you shouldn’t be getting hate, because you clearly respect it and Taylor and should be allowed to have a personal opinion. People are allowed to not like things. You should be allowed to not like things. 💛 And even if you do love things (and you CLEARLY love this album!), Taylor has 12+ albums! The idea that every new album has to surpass the enjoyment of her last album or the majority of her albums is unrealistic and quite frankly ridiculous. It’s too much pressure on fans and too much pressure on Taylor. A channel like yours thrives on ranking and comparisons and analysis. If people can’t handle that content (especially when it’s as positive as yours!), it’s a them problem, not a you problem. 💛

Esther Michaut

No because this is not okay. Your last video was one of my fav of the showgirl era because I felt that you girls where HONEST. We need it desperately. I feel the need to keep a space with a positive energy but PLEASE it does not mean that we must be brain dead. Showgirl lyrics are indeed less deep and ?????? Taylor has 12 album there is something for everyone.

Deanna Smith

We love you guys and I'm so sorry that you guys have had to get these negative comments. Everything you guys said in the video was very understandable and you made it very clear that there were no bad intentions in what you were saying. People love to misconstrue opinions when they think they caught even the slightest bit of "shade", even when it isn't shade at all. I sincerely hope you guys don't feel the need to hold back on these conversations in the future ❤️

Terah Moxley

We love our chickens. Anybody who watched more than one of your videos knows you love Taylor to your core. Also, one of your comments from the initial reaction video that really struck out to me was Bonny’s comment about the vibe being “depth without darkness.” I hope we can keep this a safe space for you to share ideas and musings and fathomings.

Patty Minor

So sorry that once again you both have to put something out like this. For those of us who have been with you since day one we totally understand your views. I hope you feel like you can be yourselves in your reactions otherwise I would just delete the negative people. I know that would mean a loss of income but the fans that really know your position on here would be happy to increase their subscription to account for the loss. The world has become an ugly, negative place more so since the orange one and his cronies continue to inflict, promote it here in the US. Sorry it’s reaching you.

Renata

No negative thoughts about the last video at all. You guys are amazing and, of course, have the rights to agree/disagree, like/dislike as everyone else. I have not even seen the comments yet but to me, when I decided to join Patreon, I thought the community here would understand better about your points of view and discussion, a part from the Youtube community. That said, keep doing your brilliant work! It has been the best time of day when I go to my gym workout and put up the video to listen to you, girls!!! I admire and respect you so much, and I believe Taylor too! ❤️

TScout

This was a beautiful and articulate defense of yourselves. I’m sorry you feel like you had to make it, but you did it exceptionally well. 💚

Bailey

No I totally agreed with you!! We have to always be able to have open and honest conversations with ridicule that’s what life is!! You were in no way rude at all I’m sorry you had to put this out!! Everyone is allowed to feel however they want it’s art it’s subjective Taylor herself said that

Renn Domino Experiment

This is exactly why I adjusted my membership to a lower tier. The comments can be absolutely brutal and unwarranted. The opportunity to slam a stranger is too good to pass up sometimes. Sorry you gals have to keep making these videos. Examining ones own words before speaking them almost makes it worth not talking at all.

Raven Patzner 🇨🇦🫶🏻

Oh man I’m so sorry you two feel this way! I didn’t read the comments and wasn’t thinking that way at all. So happy to have open discussions and appreciate this album for what it is, a happy boppy album!

Alana1989xox

🫶🫶🫶🫶🫶 I'm surprised to see that there were so many negative comments - blech! I rarely read omments sections because I'm really trying to protect my energy (Bonny and Em, I really appreciated the convo you had a while back about this topic/the amount of opinions you can digest on the internet). You do what feels right - that's why we're here listening to you. For what it's worth, I feel like so many negative comments are things someone would never say in real life, there's so often an exaggeration. You two are so insightful, empathetic, smart and you know that and everyone here should know it - it's obvious. You make the whole place shimmer ✨✨✨

Mendy

I really enjoyed the discussion. I didn’t read the comments and had nooo clue it was an issue. Keep your head up chickens!

Natalie Perkins

I’m telling, watch The Swiftie and The Scholar. You will be amazed at how connected and in depth this album is.

imogen

im sorry but the fact that em and bon love and respect and admire taylor is one of the objective facts of life. im sorry that your words have been misconstrued you dont deserve that. i hope you know that 99% of us here have the capacity to have nuanced conversations. To you 2 aswell it must be vulnerable putting out your opinions on things, so we respect that so much thankyou for continuing to do so. love u both

Casees

To be honest, this last video where you both finally addressed how I'd been feeling regarding depth, lyricism, etc was the first time my own views felt validated. I've had to stop watching Chats & Reacts content with this album rollout because anyone who had criticisms or ponderings was accused of 1) not being happy, 2) haven't had a happy relationship so just dont "get it" (I'm a newlywed), or 3) just dont like seeing Taylor happy. All completely offensive (& not in a good way). I've felt so left out of this fandom, my safe space, that I've been talking to my therapist about it! People cannot be so polarizing about art. Art is subjective, its natural we will all feel & perceive things differently! Thank you for being nuanced, it's my favorite thing! We cant be hive mind all the time, its so uninteresting! Thank you for carving out a space for all ❤️ love you chickens ❤️🫶

Karen Valentino

I did comment and hope I wasn’t misconstrued as criticizing my girls. It was intended to acknowledge the widespread perception that there is less depth in this album and to state there’s more depth than may be apparent to listeners at first. Reading back, word choices were open to interpretation and for that I apologize. 😕

Michelle A

Hi girls, thanks for your insights and clarifications - I’m a fairly recent patreon subscriber and I love your reactions. I wanted to add that since you’re talking about lyrics you may deeply enjoy a new-ish podcast called “The Swiftie and the Scholar”. It’s a swiftie in her 30’s and her uncle (who happens to be a renowned literature professor - so he’s the scholar) analyzing her lyrics as poems. The “scholar” hasn’t heard her work as songs yet, so his niece only gives him Taylor’s lyrics (one song at a time) and critiques them for literary elements, form, etc. The result? Well, I didn’t think I could appreciate Taylor’s writing more than I already did but he has me understanding how truly gifted she is on a whole new level. So far from Showgirl he’s done Ophelia and Father Figure and I was blown away!!!! After listening to his analysis there is no doubt the amount of depth this album has. I think you chickens will LOVE it!

Elise Marie

Loved your video and this is a very good response to hopefully make more people understand💕 I don’t want you to feel bad or misunderstood, you brought up good points from both sides and clearly just wanted a loving and respectful conversation, as always. Love to watch your point of view🤗❤️‍🔥

rosie

I actually really appreciated your more honest and nuanced takes! I've been waiting for a more *vulnerable* take from you girlies and I really appreciated your thoughts and ability to keep processing the album in real time for all your ups and downs with it! Which is totally normal and realistic. You really can't please everyone and I love this channel and community for how supportive the patreons are so it's hurtful for us to see this behavior in the comments. I'm also around the same age as you girlies and really thought your comments were mature and balanced, I loved the video. So sorry about some of the other comments 💕

Courtney

I love watching your videos because you always convey your opinions respectfully, and make me think about things in a different perspective that I really appreciated. Not everything will cater to everyone and that’s the nature of the internet! Like Mex said, I never question your intent or motives. I don’t subscribe to any hate about Taylor and am in this community precisely because it’s a fun and safe space from all of that. You guys created that and have done so well. I’m so appreciative! ❤️

farah abed

i love you girls, so sorry for any hateful comments you got… don’t understand how people HERE can STILL misunderstand you both… 💔

Shed

We love you guys! 🫶 Maybe I'm weird for this but I'm just happy to be here to experience this new era through you guys and the community you've built. For me the album falls somewhere in the middle, which means I like it a lot still but I gravitate less towards it because it's just less my vibe, and that is perfectly fine. I'm just happy to hear your thoughts on it, and I've chosen to support you guys specifically because you are always the most positive while still honest. It pains me how carefully you have to thread because some people seem a little too keen to go on the offensive. You have been the most enthusiastic peeps for this album release and should be able to open up an open minded conversation about the lyricism and other aspects of the album without the fear of being misunderstood by your own community. It's a very negative space out there beyond this patreon and this should remain a respectful place where we know you girls absolutely love her and the music and can express an opinion without being made to feel bad about them. Love you 2, keep doing you ❤️‍🔥

Andree

I don’t read the comments in general so not sure what was said but I didn’t take any negativity from what you said. I understood. TTPD was overwhelming and complex and took a long time to digest. LOASG was a glitter pen album. Fun. Didn’t take as long to digest. (Or fathom like you guys say). I’m already ready for new music! Whereas TTPD I think I listened to for 3 months straight and was still learning new things.

Alexa

Wait, what? People got all inflamed because you dared to say that this album (or the lyrics) “isn’t that deep”? LOL. I’m sorry, but that’s hilarious, and you should definitely not apologize! Personally, I think you’ve been overwhelmingly positive about this album (to a point I actually don’t agree with), but that’s the beauty of following real people for their opinions. Sometimes you agree, sometimes you don’t.

Joey

If we can’t discuss and think something is good or bad or enchanting or boring etc etc etc then this is not a fandom it’s a cult. So I have to say I really enjoy your take on things and being honest and on the grey scale as to black/white. Thank you for all your service and great content I love it!

Ang ⋆。°✩

So sorry to hear people are purposefully misunderstanding you guys (just like people are purposefully misunderstanding this album)

Ang ⋆。°✩

We love you and you’re doing everything right!!!!

Gabby V

I always know that you two out your best foot forward and have genuinely good intentions with everything you do. love you guys so much💞💞 I really appreciate everything you guys have done these past couple months, this era has been so special and a big part of it has to do with you guys for me personally. I never want you guys to feel censored and feel as if you can’t speak your mind, especially here. keep being you, sending both of you all my love and support 🥹♥️♥️♥️♥️

Kelsey B

I was THRILLED that you girlies acknowledged how different this album is and how Taylor clearly had different motivations this album cycle. Let the poet rest! Let her focus on the beats and fun! Showgirl lyrics are factually not as complex TTPD (my god, what could be??) and that’s okay! If someone can’t handle nuanced discussions about an artist as layered and fascinating as Taylor, then they need to leave.

Lea

100%

Anna Miotello

I haven’t had a chance to watch your last video because I have been traveling, but I still want to voice my support because after having watched your videos since the beginning of patreon, I know you always have the best intentions. And I like that while being overwhelmingly supportive of Taylor, you also have your own opinions. Please don’t stop voicing them! It’s truly crazy how you can’t ever please everyone. For me, showgirl is one of my least favorite albums, and i don’t say that with any hate towards it. I love a sad song, I love a ranty bridge, and I love storytelling and there is less of that here. During this rollout I felt a little bit less represented in this space (no big deal), so it’s refreshing to finally hear a discussion about that here. I know I will appreciate it immensely when I watch the video!

ashley

people are crazy and rude omg. thanks for being honest! sharing only positive feedback towards taylor is not an interesting conversation to have/watch. i’d rather hear your genuine thoughts and emotions!! saying this album is not deep should not be making people mad…its just an opinion and it doesn’t even mean you guys dislike the album. sadly people are so black and white with their thinking these days. love your videos so much-keep doing what you’re doing and please don’t let this stop you from sharing your genuine feelings-i love to hear your opinions🩷

Maya L. Davis

Bonny and Em, we love you and you should absolutely be allowed to have nuanced discussions about Taylor here without fear of backlash. It is so important that if we're going to dive in and discuss her in such detail, we do bring those different perspectives to the table and compare/contrast this body of work to other album. If we're not going to discuss it critically and honestly, what are we even here for? An echo chamber? The objective truth is that this album is not nearly as deep and brooding as TTPD. And personally, TTPD is my favorite! I prefer the depth of lyrics that keep me up at night, even a year and a half after the album has come out. I don't prefer TLOASG and haven't been revisiting it much since the first week... but I am 100% here for your thoughts and opinions on it because I'm interested in the world of Taylor (and you chickens!). I hope someone who loves it and claims it as their favorite album would be just as interested in hearing alternative thoughts and opinions without feeling like it takes anything away from their own experience. In short, love you and please say what you want to say always <3

Sarah

I really felt like you were able to voice why this album feel different from the last couple of albums from Taylor - which is not less deep. I completeæy agree that it feels like she has prioritised the sound in this album and deliberately chosen to be more vague that the we are used to. Which, as you voiced, is another talent of hers. I am so sorry that you felt misunderstood, and hope you know that we, the silent majority, don't feel that way ❤️

Ella Williamson

Never commented before but felt the need to say LOVE your videos and really value your opinions and breakdowns of Taylor and other artists 🫶🏼

ash

Subjective, nothing in art is objective. There are no absolutes in art. It’s always up to interpretation.

Kerri S

I haven't watched the 2 songs from this album yet, but I love the Swiftie and the Scholar! I can't believe what a Renaissance man Uncle Jerry is. Headed over to watch and catch up. As for Emily and Bonny, you two are amazing. I love hearing your ideas about, deep understanding of, and thoughtfulness about Taylor's art.

Hannah

Reading the comment section on you last video I fully understand why you feel like you needed to post this message. I was astounded by that comment section. Good on you for standing up for yourselves and setting a boundary. It’s hard with the internet and these very passionate fandoms. People take things personally and get very defensive and have a hard time understanding subjective opinions and healthy nuanced discussions. Even with a cultivated following like yours you can never ensure thoughtful, intelligent and kind interactions. I hope this community will make you feel safe to share nuanced discussions with us again. Most of us love those ❤️

charlychops

This album is so clearly different from her last 4, and its really good to have that conversation. I think you guys expressed yourself really well!

Lefty

This response you’re talking about is how I feel when you go on a huge rant about some kind of criticism Taylor receives. It’s never a good thing to be so personally offended about something you love receiving negative comments, and now you’re witnessing it from the other side of the window - it feels shitty, doesn’t it? To be clear, it never even crossed my mind that you said anything unfair in the previous video, and this is why it’s so wild to me when people blow things out of proportion. It’s just discussion, and negativity comes in any rational, balanced discussion, it’s just one half of the coin. I found it an interesting topic and fun to see what everyone’s favourite lyrics were - I would love you to continue to other albums doing this ☺️

Bree

I say just kick out the people who this post is about. We don't need them here if they can't respectfully disagree. I am glad you touched on the subject in your last video because this is how i feel about the album. I do think she's kept us at arms length and this kind of writing from her just isn't my favorite. I like the album and I'm listening to it, but i don't LOVE it, and that is perfectly ok.

Madeline

Unfortunately I feel it's likely the younger fanbase that doesn't understand nuance in opinions. Sounds harsh but the reality is the way opinions are expressed and consumed these days leaves little room for grey area. Everything is expressed as black and white, right or wrong through 30 second videos. I appreciate VERY VERY much your long, detailed interpretations of Taylors music that contain variety of conversation points, always in a respectful way. Even when you may not like something I feel you understand that someone else may love it and putting things down isn't productive. That being said I don't even think you said anything negative in the video... Taylor's last four albums prior to Showgirl have been an incredibly in depth reflection of herself and her relationships. Imagine constantly reviewing your own life in detail and putting it into words. Girl needed a break, and maybe so did we haha

Laura Mowle

I was so excited to be able to watch another release with you! That HAS NOT changed. I always appreciate your takes. I frankly didn’t hear anything that you said that was offensive or that deserved the backlash you are apparently getting. The reaction for this album feels so weird across the globe. I frankly love the album…it’s different and reflects the time that she’s in now. I’m sorry you’re getting people that are being rude. You don’t deserve that. In fact I’d say that this response is a lot kinder than they deserved. Sharing an opinion is one thing …being rude is something else.

Courtney A

I love y’all. I hate that y’all felt like you even had to make this post. I, completely, understood what y’all meant in that video and of course know y’all love the album and Taylor. I hate that y’all feel misunderstood by the ones who are supposed to get it. I love this album, but it’s not one of my top favs in fact it doesn’t even make my top 5 Taylor albums. Does that make me a bad Swiftie? No. Even if y’all didn’t love the album as much as past albums or even if you rank it dead last that’s ok and you shouldn’t be made to feel like it’s not ok. We all have favorites and least favorites for different reasons. Everyone is so sensitive when it comes to Taylor, but it’s ok to critique (which y’all weren’t even doing that) Taylor and her music. This is supposed to be a safe space for us to have discussions. Some of the comments from that post came off so rude and I was shocked by them. It seems like if they have been here any length of time they would know how y’all feel about Taylor and her music. 🧡

Meggie

I honestly came here because I was so tired of everyone hating on this album. I love how excited and honest your reactions are! Thank you for being so fun to watch!

Claire Williams

Love you guys and your opinions so much. I love that you have created a community where you can be honest and I’m sorry that some are making you feel like you aren’t able to give your full, honest opinions! We know you love Taylor and respect her work and love this album! Just wanted to say that I appreciate and respect you guys so much and I hope that you are able to continue being your authentic selves! The real ones know what you mean 😉

Chloe Gipson

I’m sorry sorry yall are feeling misunderstood that’s such a horrible way to feel when you think you’re in a safe space and just show up genuinely. Are these people who have maybe just recently joined Patreon? I’ve been following you since 2020 and I enjoy watching you process everything, you keep your minds so open and are willing to see things in so many different ways, I’m not sure how other people cant see that in you. Watching you process or take things back and fathom things differently than you expected is the best part. I hope you see the love you have because it hurts my heart that you feel misunderstood 💔 I love that you’ve always felt like you have a safe place and I really don’t want that to change. Sending love and positivity

Merit Zoë

Thanks girls for you openness and I was also shocked about the comments! Like you guys, I also felt like it is much easier to understand this album and especially also the “keeping us at an arms length” part. I think it is so important to have room for discussion about the art and not praise everything to the same extend in every category (like no one would have taken it as offensive that ttpd didn’t have as great pop hits as other albums) this critical thinking just values the albums more in my opinion, because than there can be some that stand out more in certain aspects and I value the discussion greatly! 🫶🫂

P.R. Dayvonne

I love how open you guys are and how you respond to things with such a genuine attitude. TBH I thought some commenters were trippin' cuz it's obvious how much you both love Taylor - her music isn't made to be revered without criticism. I think it's a super-fun refreshing album but it also IS just less lyrically-intense and vulnerable in some ways (also more vulnerable in other ways RTF, ED, W$L$T, etc.). Homegirl was on an entire global tour while making this lol - I think Taylor just wanted to have fun with this album.

Taylah Louise

I didn’t comment on the last video so hadn’t seen the responses but it is certainly disappointing to hear that was the response. I hope it doesn’t make you stray from that kind of honesty in the future because I was totally picking up what you were putting down and was completely on the same page. 💖

Gabi

This response is such a slay, thank you for highlighting how important it is to have a safe space for nuanced discussions as we all fathom this album as a community. I believe that this album has multiple layers to it, and the surface level is intentionally not as deep, this is a pop album that the general public can enjoy casually, but it is also an album with hidden depth that core fans are finding more and more of as we spend more time with the songs. Opalite came on at a Halloween party I went to, and the whole room erupted into song, it was crazy!! The internet has had a lot of criticism lately for Taylor lately, some of it justified and some of it not justified. But at the end of the day, the GP is enjoying these bops and I think Taylor accomplished her goal with this album perfectly.

Juliane

I hope you don't change because of the negative comments. Come on, people online are annoying as hell. Keep doing you. And yup, the album is not that deep lol some of her worst lyrics ever.

Stasi Apple

I don't really comment much anywhere but I really love and appreciate your thoughts and opinions and seem to have a pretty similar way of thinking and processing Taylor and other artists. I'm sad to see the hateful nature of online culture make it's way into a more safe space online. I just wanted to share my love and appreciation and hopefully be a shining light of good in the fandom. 💖

Danielle

Girlies, you're better than this, yet i fully get why you felt compelled to explain. I live in the nuance and hate that there are people in your own community who don't grasp it. Fandom sometimes bleeds into single-focused, magnified... psychosis for people. And what SUCKS is that Taylor is such a GODDESS of nuance, of 'this AND', of 'here's the beautiful complexity and duality'. Like... have we learned NOTHING, babes?! I wish you didn't face a financial fallout and could just block the nutty ones, I really do. But I am sending out all the vibes that you can find a way around and through this, that is for your highest good. Because really... you are beyond the nonsense.

Viv

I'm so sorry that you guys felt like you had to make this post. Don't let the negative comments get you down, some people are just allergic to being rational on the internet. I love the nuanced discussion you always engage in. Humans connect with music on such a deep personal level, and I appreciate how honest and vulnerable you both are in how you feel about every melody and lyric. Thank you for making videos, and for your positivity! ❤️‍🔥

Kiki

We've all had to put up with absolute derangement from online spaces about this album ever since it's drop, so I can imagine some people's willingness to misconstrue what you guys said came from that place of still feeling protective over this album. I did notice in the comments of the last video they were quick to jump to the worst conclusions of what you said. People might still be rather defensive and reactive when it comes to nuanced opinions about TLOAS because soooo much of "nuanced opinions" from the outside spaces comes in bad faith. We've been fighting for this album so hard that weapons can get pointed in any direction at this point, even on accident lol.

Tony

I commend you for your forthright and honest opinions. I applaud you for so many things that there is not enough room to list them. You two are such a gift and your joy and happiness jumps out on every video. Don’t let negative and toxic comments get you down. Dare I say ‘Shake it off’😭 And thank you both for being such incredible guides for navigating, appreciating and showing us (me anyway) the beauty of Taylor’s art. You’re both the best ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Michelle A

Uncle Jerry is a gift and I can’t believe the insights he has about Taylor’s writing! I’m so glad someone here also knew what I was talking about. 🫶🏻

T

I do enjoy hearing your opinions (wouldn't be here if I didn't) and I like hearing a different perspective even if I might not always agree. I had a different opinion on this idea that this album has less depth or she's keeping us at arms length. For me, she's the most open she has been than in many recent albums (excl ttpd - i think the joe break up opened the dam), and is telling us directly how she feels. In wish list she says she wants travis and to have kids. It's actually a really vulnerable thing to put out because we have been fed this idea that it's somehow wrong to want those things (as evidenced by the ridiculous trad wife claims). To me thats not keeping us at arms length, it's her wish. I was questioning why people might think this album is less deep and I think a part might be because she couldn't be quite so open about her relationship with Joe and she had to say a lot of things in metaphors and double meanings. She doesn't have to do that here, so it's just there. Also it may feel like we're not learning much new about travis or their relationship, because we already know a lot and we know him, whereas joe was a complete blank canvas that we learnt about through the songs and every nugget was amalysed. Regardless of what people think is deep or not (because how do you measure that) I think it's interesting to consider the emotions that a song invokes. And maybe it doesn't invoke as much emotion for some people and that's why they don't feel the depth. Doesn't mean it's not there, it's just the mirror analogy as Taylor said, its not your time with the album. Just my thoughts, I hope it's OK to share.

WeatherJoy

The most interesting thought to me is how accessible and visible she and Travis and their whole story has been and how much she/they have shared with us outside of her music. Had you not had so much information and gotten this album after being more or less in the dark about their vibe would you feel differently about how much she actually revealed? I’m so sorry ya’ll received hate. I enjoy your discussions even when I sometimes disagree.

Tarebearstare

Firstly, I need to say I love being a member of this community. Listening to Bonny and Emily give honest and raw opinions of all things, not just Taylor, has been so wonderful. I feel as though since the Eras tour some people on this patreon may have joined solely to hear Taylor praised and not for Bonny and Emily themselves. You join a patreon to support creators because you enjoy THEM, not to dictate their opinions. With that being said, and I know this is a source of income , so it may not be so easy, but maybe, just maybe not defend yourselves to the negative nancies in here and they will weed themselves out. I loved the video and the discourse. This should feel like a safe space for you chickens and I'm very sorry if sometimes it doesn't. And it has been very obvious you guys love the album, and if it isn't your favorite? That's ALSO fine. The wonderful thing about having billions of people on this planet is that we all feel and experience things differently. We can share our opinions respectfully, and if you are unable to do that maybe you need to evaluate why.

griffin 💕

Ugh i hate to see you girls feel misunderstood in such a safe space! All of us are here to hear your opinions. You aren’t always going to agree with someone else’s opinion and that’s okay, i think some people just need to understand that. Again, so sorry you guys felt this way. LOVE U GIRLS SM ❤️

Madison Hart

I hate to hear that people have been giving you this feedback. That’s really unfair and frankly weird. You guys have clearly been critical of the negative reception of the album and you’ve been nothing but positive. I was happy to hear some nuance in this video. Sorry people are weirdos. I would like to say/hope 99% of us appreciate you guys and give you the benefit of the doubt. Keep up the good work❤️

Eva

love you girls so much 🩷 you both radiate positivity and sunshine. people are always going to be critical no matter what. it’s a shame you had to make this post. keep shining! love your videos xx

Bella

Thank youuu for this comment I totally agree. People should be able to openly discuss how they are feeling about an album and compare it to previous work of an artist.. that is a very normal thing to do

sleepless_dream (Lauren)

couldn't agree with your words here more! I'm subscribed here because of how positive and well-intentioned you are, as well as how insightful, thoughtful, intelligent, and funny you guys are! You're doing great and I don't understand the critique you've received. I'm just here to say I fully support you both.

Bella

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Bianca

I found your honesty SO refreshing - when people are ALL positive it is harder to believe what they say. Please know for many, your comments around depth were so very appreciated 🫶🏼🙏🏼💕

Jenny

I'm so sorry you feel misunderstood, and I totally understand why from reading through the comments. For what it's worth I think it was a loud minority, and the vast majority of us on here totally got where you were coming from, even those who disagree. Maybe the majority should be a bit louder!!! 10000% agree with your comment on lack of nuance. One of my favourite sayings when I don't agree or understand something is "make the charitable assumption". We gotta think the best of people who we *know* aren't malicious and have good intentions!! You are both amazing I hope you aren't feeling too discouraged 🫶. P.S. I think everything you said in that video was completely reasonable and that's coming from someone who agrees with some of what you said and disagrees with other parts.

Ana @analitworld

Girls, you don’t have to explain every word you say or feel. We all have different opinions or feelings towards something as abstract as music. If someone takes it in a bad way he or she or they have to understand that there are different choices and that there’s always an explanation, not everything is black or white you know? I think you always portray what you want bc is your channel and you do amazing jobs with all the info you give us about each song. Also, even if you guys love the album it’s normal to have other opinions or thoughts about it. Please don’t feel like people are hating on both and if they are let them, so they have something to do. We swifties are a tough audience, but pls always keep being as real and natural🥹💙 and thank you for this message. Sending you amor ❤️ os adoro 💕🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂

Rebecca

I so enjoy your discussions regarding Taylor and pop music in general. Bonny & Emily, together with this community, keep this Gen X'er in the know 😉 You all have created a safe space to share our thoughts and opinions, and it's appreciated ! It is so upsetting to hear about the negativity you all are receiving. There always seems to be some negativity around a Taylor album release in general but for some reason TLOASG has been extra ugly. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion but we shouldn't be attacking each other just because someone has a different opinion than your own. It is silly and immature. Have I agreed with everything that Bonnie & Emily have said about this album? No. But I do appreciate that they back up why they feel the way they do. In some cases their insight has helped me to appreciate some of the songs that I didn't particularly care for, like Eldest Daughter. They helped me to see it in a different light. And I love that I can watch their videos just to see their excitement for the same things that bring me excitement! It makes me happy, and we all need that! So, thank you ladies for all you do and remember a wise woman once said, your energy, it's expensive, it's a luxury item. Not everyone can afford it! 😉🫶🏼

kyle

People online are unfair and you guys absolutely did nothing wrong. Don’t let anyone bring u two radiant souls down truly. You guys deserve to share opinions good and bad. tbh I feel like there are many times where I wish you guys even criticized things more hahaha but like the point is I would never comment to you and make you feel bad for YOUR opinions u know!! Keep doing what ur doing :))

Luli Swiftie

Love you Guys! I was thinking about this and I think Taylor is world building and it takes a few albums to make sense… like Evermore is deep but one of the reasons is the references to Rep… and Rep has references to things there are not love or Joe… because in Rep era we were like WHO is she talking about?! By lover we have Daylight referencing her darkest Night( rep) so she makes this wolrd… this is just our second album outside of the Lover house and the first that she is not in the “hospital” so is just a New world and we don’t have all the puzles yet… but i think this album was a great start!

Luli Swiftie

Like I think is easy to see the depth in Rep because of Lover, Folklore,Evermore , Midnights and TTPD… and maybe that is why a lot more people like Rep Now and not in 2017

Jay Martinson

oh ffs, anyone that could possibly think you gays are bring hateful is at the very least extremely confused. your channel is the most positive reaction channel out there, and even if your personal opinions aren't glowing 100% of the time (which is so valid, who's is??) its always respectful and seeing it from all perspectives!! love you xx

Keldra

I'm pretty sure Taylor talked about this with Travis and Jason on the podcast. TRAVIS KELCE: It’s so much fun. I mean, I understand what she’s saying, and obviously I’ve been fortunate enough to hear every single song on here, so I know they’re all 12 bangers. It’s a lot more upbeat and it’s a lot more like fun pop excitement. And I think that’s a completely, like, *I think it’s a complete 180 from a lot of the songs on Torture Poets*, for sure. TAYLOR SWIFT: Oh, yeah. TRAVIS KELCE: And this life is more upbeat. This album is "a complete 180". It's not meant to be as deep. Which is fine. I prefer this album to Tortured Poets, personally.

Lizzie

I agreed with everything you guys were saying and appreciate the honesty!!

Kristen Batye

I've been apart of this community for 3 years or so and it has always been a safe space. We don't need haters here. We need like-minded individuals who are mature enough to have discussions around topics that may bring up disagreements and who are able to handle any of those disagreements with class. The hate is unnecessary and any misunderstanding of what you ladies say doesn't need to result in rude behavior. Just...no

sarah

the mental gymnastics people are doing to convince you two that you misspoke is wild. taylor's whole thing has always been being open and vulnerable. of COURSE people are going to notice if TLOAS feels a little lighter and possibly less personal. that's not even a drag, it's just.... an observation? you guys have cultivated a space for observation and discussion.. its CHATS and REACTS, what are you to do besides discuss? it's like buying tickets to a circus and then getting mad when a clown shows up

dahlia

it was not a critique, just an observation do not feel bad for giving thoughts

Jenny

I totally understand what you mean! but just from being here over time I’ve noticed that sometimes the girls choose to respond to the negativity and sometimes they do ignore it/choose not to defend themselves. I think for them it’s on a case by case basis, and this time they felt the need to address it so I’m glad they did and really hope they feel better for it 💕 Not disagreeing with you at all just offering a slightly different perspective for why it may be right for them personally to sometimes respond!

Molly

I really appreciated your honesty about it! Y’all don’t exist to solely praise Taylor’s music (which you do most of the time), your job is to react and give your honest perspectives which is exactly you did! I’d rather have that than fake reactions/dishonest comments.

Tarebearstare

Absolutely! I understand why they wanted to speak about it, I just don't want people to vindicated that their negative comments were valid in any way. And yes, I also hope Bonny and Emily feel better by addressing it. I just want this space to be fun and safe for all!

Shay

I wasn’t even aware this was happening since I’ve not watched it yet but I really admire y’all’s strength in these type of situations as a pathological people pleaser myself it’s one of my worst fears being misunderstood I often over explain just to avoid that but I’m sorry you both went through that. Ur authentic reactions are what most of us adore about you I know you won’t bc yall are strong badass btches but pls never change 🫶🏻

Ellen Jarrett

I didn't know people were responding this way. I never thought these things about you guys. I have watched every single video you've posted during this album release and can't understand how people interpreted your reactions and discussions this way. I was right there with you, feeling the same way as you both. You've been my safe space for a long time now and will continue to be. I hope people can sort their shit out so it's a safe space for you both, too. Love you girlies xxx

paulina 🧃

was patiently awaiting new video with no clue there is discourse going on in this regard 😳 i’m absolutely shocked and you summed this up perfectly in one line: ✨in its truest definition..offensive ✨ Bonnie and Emily, literally the biggest and truest taywarriors only behind me (😁) and some of you people want to project own deficiencies in comprehension on them? so unnecessary..

Amanda P

I didn’t even realize this was happening but here to say I loved hearing your honest & nuanced thoughts!!! it’s soooo clear that you always come from a place of love!!! keep doing you besties 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼

Nicole

I just don’t like it that people’s comments are harsh and make you feel like you have to respond! 🧡🩵🧡🩵🧡🩵🧡🩵🧡

Takara

People have lost the ability to have critical thinking 😑 and also as you said nuanced discussions. I never for one second took your discussion to be a criticism. It’s absolutely clear that you love this album! Shake it off babes 🫶

Saartje

I had no idea this was happening to you girls I'm so sorry. You girls said Elisabeth taylor was the Cornelia street of this album and your right and I saw Bonny crying on ruin the friendship that was very deep and heartbreaking and yes so much songs on this album makes you want to dance. If I have a reel bad day and I listen to tloas it makes me feel better because you make your own sunshine and lots of parts of this album are sunshine and makes you want to dance because it feels light. You girls are so on spot with this album and you defended it so hard thank you so much. Love you chickens 🧡🧡

Brittany Diamond

I think you guys are simply (and unfortunately) a large target for people to project their annoyances onto. Every opinion you've been accused of having is a hot button issue people have been ripping each other apart over. Some fans are feeling overly defensive of Taylor and the album right now, so they jump down people's throats without fully listening. Y'all are terrific as always, thank you for everything you do. <3

Carlyle

Wait really? That was happening? Girls, you two’s appreciation for Taylor’s work is of utmost evidence. We know you were analysing and fathoming from love. We dig deeper, so we can understand more, and that means comparisons and objective observations, which can lead to more critical conclusions. That doesn’t mean hate in the slightest. I see why a lot of music reactors recently are saying they are facing such negative feedback from whatever they do… No need to be pathological people pleasers, girls. 👌🏼 Keep doing what you do, and thank you for building this community. I am sure most of the members here are still supporting, “benevolently, for the most part.”

Lori Bland

So sorry you girls feel this way. I appreciate differing points of view when it comes to Taylor's music and we all relate to it differently. I have even disagreed with you guys on some songs, loml to be specific, but that doesn't change the fact that we are all TS fans and appreciate her music in differing ways. Don't be discouraged ladies. There are those of us that understand and love watching and listening to your reactions and breakdowns, regardless of differing opinions.

Lynny Smith

Cannot believe you girls are still having to defend yourselves - surely nottttt This album has really brought out some not great sides to the fandom in how they treat each other and I’m not loving it Absolutely have loved/agreed with everything you have both discussed so far. Hold your heads high ladies, the real ones absolutely know where you stand 🫶🏻

chatsandreacts

Casees, I am really sorry if you felt we were saying things that you felt were offensive and you couldn't watch our videos. Sometimes its our natural stance to be defensive of Taylor albums and I think thats what people were doing in the comments towards us and I can understand it doesn't feel nice. I think overall after a few weeks I can now see both sides to that argument, I can see why people think its super honest and deep and I can see why others don't at all, its very interesting and I am also trying to fathom how I feel about it amongst all of that. Thanks for sticking around ❤️

Sydney

Can’t speak for everyone but I agreed with and thoroughly enjoyed your takes/opinions on this album. I was surprised to see a post like this because to me your love and appreciation for the album was so obvious ?? Anyways, thank you lovely chickens for your hard work and dedication to bringing us content. I know I’m not alone when I say you are both so appreciated and HEARD. We know your hearts and we see you girls 🪲 ❤️‍🔥thanks for everything and love ya heaps 💓

Guillermo R

I’m truly surprised to read this post because I never considered your commentary as negative towards the album. I actually agreed with most of what you said. Sad to know how people sometimes can take things to the extreme without valid reason.

Isabelle Gatapia

Wait!! This is so upsetting!! I didn’t think anyone would think that differently and I was really happy you guys have made those opinions because I agree with them!! That’s the best part about this community is hearing everyone’s thoughts and how we all respond and take Taylor differently and how it affects us. Even though these songs aren’t lyrically intense/deep like TTPD it’s so really fun! I’m surprised I liked it as much because i wasn’t sure at first how I would feel. So seeing your guys thoughts made me feel really safe honestly!! Love you chickens so much!!!

Katrina Albright

I don't like that anyone made you feel like you needed to defend yourselves because you definitely didn't say anything wrong or disrespectful, just watched your YouTube video too and the way you broke it down should calm down the hatorade possibly, love you both!!

svenny

I TRULY can’t believe some people join this ADORABLE community and choose to think and act that way. This space exists for real and nuanced conversations — a place where no one should ever feel hesitant to share their thoughts!!! Every opinion is a fresh perspective, uniquely YOURS. We all take something away from each other’s, maybe they spark new fathomings, or maybe you simply say “thank you” and move on, even if you don’t agree. But disrupting this safe space feels sooo upsetting to me. I’m truly sorry that your own community made you feel like that. Sending love ♡

greta garber

Girls, there will be no explanation, there will only be reputation- Your YouTube videos are what I gravitated toward because I felt the need to research and earn my Eras tickets when my young millennial friends didn’t get through - your superior insights and offensive takes on the TS catalog turned this alt/rock boomer into a swiftie and there’s no need to defend your reactions to any Sarahs and Hannahs. There will always be pearl-clutching.

Sebastian

…the moon should never howl back. Love you. Always.❤️‍🔥✨

Olivia✨

I truly cannot fathom how anyone could watch your last video and so grossly misconstrue what you two were saying. Like, truly, I just finished watching that video and then saw this as the next post on your patreon feed, and I’m genuinely baffled. You two chickens just keep doing what you’re doing. Your videos are always incredible, and your true, unfiltered thoughts are ALWAYS appreciated endlessly!!🩷 I hope patreon can continue to be a space where you two can continue to feel comfortable doing exactly that. It would be devastating for a few bad eggs to ruin this beautiful community for the rest of us, and that especially includes you two!!! sending endless love to you girlies🩷 just block those haters and deny them from being able to re-sub to patreon lol!! 🙅🏼‍♀️

Denise

You two ladies are the most positive Taylor reactors out there. I’m sorry that you have received enough negative comments where you felt you needed to respond. I appreciate your enthusiastic responses to Taylor’s music. Truthfully, the only “negative” thing I can remember you saying is “Frightful Adam.” 😂 I’m 58 and this is the first year I’ve actually engaged with social media. I’m amazed at some of the hateful comments I’ve read. “Say it in the streets, it’s a knock out. Say it in a Tweet, it’s a cop out.” After reading this letter, I’m humming the lyrics to “Mean.” Whatever happened to the old adage that if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. Try not to let those comments dim your light. 🤗 Easier said than done, I’m sure.

Jen B

I actually fucking loved the nuance in the previous video and it gave me much food for thought for the definition of “depth” and what that means when it comes to Taylor & how we all enter the listening experience with completely different perspectives & how that’s beautiful. There was no part of any of the video you posted that led me to believe that you guys were questioning Taylor’s talent or abilities or anything of that nature. To be so misconstrued is upsetting. I hope you know how much many of us appreciate your nuanced take especially on Patreon where it’s a little more vetted than the YouTube viewers. Please keep on keeping on with this type of content. Yall are incredible.

Jenny

Yeah that’s so true I hope those people don’t feel vindicated at all!!!

DeeAnne Herron

"Depth without darkness" comes to mind. Hum. Tell me again who said that? And say it LOUD for the people in the back! 🫶

Chloe H

Girlies. I had a realisation after reading this and going back to the comments on the video (and feeling baffled that people would speak to you that way, regardless of whether or not they agree with your opinion). I wonder if what we are experiencing with Taylor’s distance in her lyricism is a transition because up until the Showgirl album, her music was the ONLY place Taylor felt truly seen and her authentic self whereas now perhaps being so comfortable with her person and her relationship, writing is becoming sometimes different for her to. She’ll always love it, always write songs etc but it will feel different now that she’s at home in her personal life. Thinking about how loneliness has always been a theme across albums, it makes sense that that particular thread of vulnerability would be missing now. And noticing that does NOT mean we want Taylor to be sad 😂 people need to touch. some. grass.

LC

love you guys🤍

Leander

If people are sharing negative comments, they obviously don’t get it, or you and I’m sorry for that. The album isn’t a deep as some of her others, that’s just a fact. The inspiration comes from her needing a creative spark during the eras tour, not the deepest depressed state of her life so yeah, there’s bound to be a little different between that. X

Eric Chaney

You girls have more patience and tolerance than anyone i know. If people had a problem with what you said, it’s because they are looking for problems and trying to misconstrue your words and intent. You guys have nothing to apologize for. The majority of us get what you’re saying and probably mostly agree with you. Please don’t get discouraged by the ridiculousness of the few. ❤️❤️

sarah miller

Just want to say I totally agreed with your comments and they were not unfair or disrespectful, just honest. I haven’t done any fathoming of the songs after the first couple weeks after release, even though I relate to quite a few of them, which is a totally different experience to other albums. It’s not a bad thing though. They songs are are fun, have strong melodies and are great for singing along to and they do have depth without darkness. Not my fave album of hers but I think the songs fit in really nicely into her discography. She achieved what she set out to do with this album. You guys get it, I get it, and it seems hundreds others on here get it too. 🧡

Rachel

I completely agreed with everything you mentioned and I really appreciate you bringing it up. It clicked for me when you said that we really don't know much about Travis/their relationship because we don't have that level of detail in this album. To reiterate what you have said, it's not at all a bad thing, it's just a point of difference that warrants discussion. Thanks for everything you do ladies! <3

Kristiina K

❤️ ”Everybody's so punk on the internet Everyone's unbothered 'til they're not Every joke's just trolling and memes Sad as it seems, apathy is hot Everybody's cutthroat in the comments Every single hot take is cold as ice”

Keith

If anyone assumed anything other than good intent from you, I am honestly kind of astonished. And I think you made abundantly clear how much you both love this album just keep being yourselves. Haters gonna hate hate hate hate

James Pullara

I think a lot of people confuse “depth” with how absorbable a song is. Taylor approached TTPD (for example) with a poetic mindset because that’s where she was at. Showgirl is straight to the point but that will never take away from the artistry everyone involved put into it. Love you girlies 🤍

Bekah

Everything you guys said about the album is part of why it’s becoming my favourite! You are both right. It’s deeper in a different way than we have seen from Taylor lately and it’s such a fun change. Previous albums have at times taken us to a dark place to fully fathom whereas this one is so light and fun Love you guys heading straight to YouTube to watch the breakdown

sebastián

my hottest take of all is that (even tho i know this is NOT the case) people should be allowed to have negative opinions about things, and as long as they are respectful and not disingenuous when expressing them (which bonny and emily ofc never are) then people really shouldn’t have a problem with it 😭 if they hadn’t liked the album and just explained why in a normal decent way, that should be FINE!

Myrthe

I appreciated the conversation and feelings you brought up so very much. Funny enough I had the exact same thoughts crossing my mind before I watched. You were extremely thoughtful and PLEASE IT HAS TO BE POSSIBLE TO REFLECT ON YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT ART without it being taken as an offense to Taylor or yourself just because you feel differently. There is such value in discussing art and how it speaks to us (and to us all differently) let's continue to have this open space to do so, and I encourage you Bon en Em to please feel the freedom and safety to do so. IT IS SO VALUABLE! Thank you

Anjie Crow

My suggestion is to take a page from Taylor's book (how she does things now) and not address it. You two have been around long enough and have said enough things that anyone who thinks you're being too negative or too hard on Taylor or whatever should probably leave the group. In fact, they should go hang out on the Swiftologist's patreon account (or even watch his clips on IG) to get an idea of what negativity can look like. I think it's time to stop justifying your comments and explaining yourselves. Remember, it's actually romantic! :)

Elizabeth Wellman

You two are my safest, best place on the internet and I adore you! Thank you for your kind, thoughtful, delightful content ALWAYS.

Lívia Caroline

I love everything you said, but i think its so stupid that you had to make this statement, like??? omg??? dont they watch your videos? you chickens are ALWAYS saying the most postive things about taylor, you ALWAYS protect her, understand her and give light to the most beautiful and deep meanings throughout her history. It is indeed very much offensive people saying otherwise. On another note, the girls do have the right to say whatever they want about her songs (respectfully as they always do), receiving hate from showing all of their thoughts will only make them not want to share anymore, and we might get not so much more real reactions and thoughts. don't you think criticizing them (in ridiculous matters like this one) will only make them not want to share anymore? maybe they'll get scared of receiving hate again and won't say what they really think, maybe they'll overthink everything... Also, saying the album is not that deep shouldn't be seen as a disrespectful thing. Not everything needs to be deep to be valid, and obviously not everything needs to be deep all the time. Taylor can make songs that are just a little bit shallow (which is not the case) and its completely fine!! pointing out that is also completely fine. I really don't see the problem here, as taylor herself said, you don't need to protect her all the time specially from the two girls who always respected her and took the time to make positve content about taylor, who has always been a target of hate. attacking them is also going against taylor! love you chickens! hope you're alright 💌💌

Katariina Blom

You guys are ALWAYS so respectful to everything and everyone, and you should be allowed to be honest and say what you think! I really loved you guys speaking about your honest thoughts about the album. I think we should be able to have nuanced discussions about art, and not everything having to be either ”it’s trash” or ”it’s perfect”.

Kat

Perfectly written 😍😍😍 I can't even fathom hearing anything you two say about Taylor and immediately jumping to thinking you're being rude, hateful, etc. You just give infectious wild joy🤪 to us all and we're forever grateful for it!!! As always, thank you for caring enough to feel the need to clarify even if it's not necessary to the 99.9% of us who get it. LOVE YOU CHICKENS!!!!!!!🐣❤️‍🔥 thank you for the amazing community you've created

Danielle Jorna

Thank you for always being kind & respectful in all you do & share with us. 🫶

Laura

I 💯 agree. If Taylor took the time to justify herself over every negative comment she would not get around to making any music at all.

Anni

chickens!! so sorry some people made you feel that way! i really appreciated everything you said in the last vid - i actually feel the same! sending you hugs !!

KC

I had absolutely no idea this was happening and I’m so sorry you girls have to address this at all, especially after the heaps of content we’ve been blessed with during this album release cycle!! When I got the notification for this my first thought was “how fun, the girls are picking their favorite comments to react to!” Wild to think that all these albums later that anyone would assume the worst when it comes to how you two feel about Taylor. You’ve cultivated the same sense of community, safety and comfort as Taylor herself has, and I hate that you’d ever be in a position where that’s not reciprocated. ✨ You two embody depth without darkness ✨ Don’t let others steal your joy and thank you again for all you do and for continuing to be vulnerable, honest and thoughtful in your reactions 🧡

Mark Bassett

Ladies, Sorry you have to go through this! it’s not right! I am a newer fan coming from Travis’s side and you have helped me so much to learn and get a better understanding what each song and Lyric may mean and ties back to previous work! Keep up the good work and don’t let anyone drag you down 👏🏼👏🏼

Camilla 🇩🇰

I have not seen the negativity coming your way :( I am so sorry you have to deal with it and you shouldn't have to point any of this out. You are honestly the best, most positive, loving and analytical swifties and I cannot fathom who doesn't feel that in their bones when watching your videos and hearing you speak, sing and react to everything Taylor Swift 🧡 I am so happy to watch your videos every time, and honestly be inspired by your positivity and the light and way of life you convey. And I appreciate every nuance and love that you are true and honest - I mean that is kind of what makes it all interesting that you are yourself as much as you want on these platforms. English is not my mother language but I hope it makes sense. Lots of love from Denmark ❤️

cheng

tbh some swifties really need to be more open to different opinions. you guys are doing the right things here!! thank you and luv you guys sm!!!!🫶

Gabrielle

I appreciate both of your smart insights and authenticity always! Also, people need to be more comfortable with differing opinions. We’re not all going to be as enthusiastic about the same albums / songs as other people. Each album has its own unique purpose and voice. Let’s stop being so critical. Let art be art ❤️‍🔥

Dara Sofia

You have said some truly offensive things here! (In the figurative way lol) I haven’t fathomed this but you are totally right!

Alexia 🫶🏻

Yikes, didn’t know people were being so harsh 🥴sending lots of positive vibes your way! Always value your opinion, words and chats 🫶🏻

Lauren

Will always love your content girls !

Nicky

dont listen to the haters!!! your videos are SO positive and such a light to us every time you post. THANK YOU for everything you girlies do 💕💕💕

carla_stone

always love and appreciate your content, girls!!

Dany Rv

Hey stop that nonsense people!! You want fake content? O the real and respectful content that our chickens make. That’s why internet is such an awful place. Hey we all know this is not the deepest Taylor album, but that’s not a bad thing and that’s what the girls are saying. Of course we are used to that with Taylor and that’s why we always want more because that how she educated us. But this album is iconic. And I loooove that you guys are saying what you truly feel and not just like everything is perfect hey you have your opinion but that doesn’t mean you are hating on it. We love you and I just love the real content you make

Beza

The album is supposed to be fun and less deep because she’s happy. It’s a pop album, she can be funny and in love and that’s allowed

Kaitlyn Hall

As a long time fan of your videos and breakdowns (but newer to patreon ✨) you always articulate the nuances of music SO well and it's something that has always stood out for me. When I was a young Swiftie (esp during Rep era omg that was rough) it always felt like people judged Taylor's music as dumb and silly when in reality her music is just the perfect representation of all sides of being a woman - you can be crass and gentle and bitchy and happy and sad whenever you want!!!! And hearing you both speak about Tay's music in such depth has always been so wonderful and relatable and I'm sure so many others feel this way, so defo keep your chins up chickens - we love you!!! 🩷🩷🩷🩷

Judith Jordan

Your observations of the album helped me have a better understanding and I love your videos. For anyone to think you two, of all people, don’t think a Taylor album is not illegal and “ the best thing you’ve ever heard, just don’t know you two cute chickens!!!! 🫶

Kirsten Marie

Omg I’m so sorry you felt you had to write this!

Maria

You guys are always positive and funny and genuine and kind, some people are just rude and completely misunderstand the point. Don’t let this discourage you, or put you down. I deeply enjoy every a single one of your videos and opinions even when I may have a different POV at times, it still feels amazing to have that kind of conversation with 2 amazing women that just GET IT! Thank you for this platform and I’m so sorry you had to write this ❤️‍🩹

Taylor Bailey

We love you chickens💙 you are always so positive & genuine. The beauty of life & being individual humans is seeing things from different perspectives & having your own opinions. That said - you were never negative about Taylor. Keep doing & being everything you are - we appreciate all you do!!!

Josh

I really hate that people can no longer critically engage with the art they love. That's the whole point! It's so boring to just mindlessly say everything is just as good as everything else. I really enjoyed seeing you guys express more nuanced opinions on the album, even if it wasn't meant as critique.

Mae 🇳🇱

You were soooooooooo thoughtful in your video! As a big fan, I don't love the album. I was crazy about it first listen but it quickly dropped and i already felt like i had moved on about 2 weeks after the release. I'm a bit sad about that, it's not a comfortable feeling to not feel connected with an album of someone i adore so much. It makes me question how much i still relate to her and it feels like growing apart and as a parasocial fangirl that's scary 😂 everyone can feel/think whatever they want about music as long as they are respectful in communicating that. And you were. couldn't have been MORE respectful. I read somewhere in these comments that maybe it's time to stop adressing negative reactions or justifying yourself and i think that person is correct. You have every right to stand for your own opinion and no one is entitled to any explanation or justification. You don't owe ANYONE anything! You guys are so strong. funny, kind and loveable, stop making other people doubt you! ❤️

Maria

Same!

Eduardo Jefferson

girls you are amazing some people just don't know how art criticism works

Brianna Suarez

i genuinely don’t understand how people are misinterpreting what you guys are saying - i feel like your content is one of the most positive spaces on the internet !! pls don’t listen to the negativity

Deb

Perhaps stop using the word "depth" and better define and clarify what you mean when you would say that word. The term, "depth" has been applied with such negative energy, that when you use it, it really just triggers negativity at this point. So, fix the misinterpretation by using different language that better conveys what you mean.

Mae 🇳🇱

why do they need to change their wording when they communicated everything so respectfully? They don't need to 'fix' anything. And even if they don't find depth in the album in a negative way, who cares? Everyone can have an opinion and you could also see it as interesting when it's different from yours.

Mae 🇳🇱

Yes. You deserve it to just stand up for yourselves and say 'This is what WE think. You might not agree and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, let's agree to disagree, thank you bye!'

Mae 🇳🇱

yes yes yes different opinions are what makes a discussion interesting!

Mae 🇳🇱

You are not alone. I haven't been active in the community for a while because I don't love the album and I don't want to be told I 'don't get it' or 'havent fathomed'. I can get it and fathom it and just not like it. That should be okay and as long as we are all respectful, there should be room for different opinions and experiences without constantly trying to persuade others to change their thoughts.

jkar

I honestly really feel similarly to you ladies about the new album & so I was pleasantly surprised to hear your thoughts and learn more about your experiences fathoming! I think that being able to have nuanced opinions even within a really supportive community is really important ❤️ It’s something that I’ve been mindful of as I haven’t been returning to TLOAS much in my daily listening, but I’ve still been excited to hear about others’ fathomings and learnings from the album! I thought you both handled the conversation with care and were still very positive about the things you’ve loved about the album, so I’m really sorry that you’re getting so much hate. Much love and hopefully we can all continue to have open conversations together! 💕

GoldRush31

I think other people are confusing the words depth and complicated. Folklore, Evermore, Midnights, TTPD she put all her complicated feelings out for herself and everyone else to make sense of. I mean one could argue complicated feelings run deep and strong all the way back to Red. Showgirl reflects the clarity she’s found in life. That’s why it’s easier to fathom to your exact point in the videos. I think Taylor has also been able to live her relationship out loud in a way she never had before, and so there’s just less layers to pull back. That’s what makes it new and different and so interesting among her other work.

Addie

I love how you contrasted “depth” with “simplicity”. It helped me understand a key difference I’ve noticed between TTPD and TLOAS. I feel as though casual listeners of TTPD songs (for example) are completely missing out if they don’t breakdown and study the lyrics. I don’t feel that way about her new songs. There is still plenty to breakdown in the lyrics, but I don’t think that fathoming is AS necessary to reach max enjoyment. One isn’t better than the other, just different.

Est

There’s a reason your love for her runs so deep — you know how to give constructive criticism while staying supportive. And there’s a reason why you guys are where you are with your platform. As she’s said herself, she’s not the art police and embraces all kinds of feedback. She’s already proven countless times that she’s one of the greatest songwriters of our generation, so a happier, lighter album doesn’t take away from that — it simply shows another side of her artistry. Please keep doing what you’re doing and don’t let the negative feedback stop you❤️

CAM

Sigh, y'all need to understand that Em and Bonny are the happy place and stop hating on them for having intelligence and nuance. Taylor doesn't want mindless drones of people who just give her 100/100 on everything she does. She's wants you to enjoy it and be entertained and give her money. These girlies do all three and so much more. Omg chill and touch grass.

Jamie

lol are people pressuring you guys to be fake positive about everything now? yeah... saw that one coming... I actually thought it was one of your more realistic reviews in a while. because it felt like you were honoring your authentic feelings and mood. I loooove authenticity and when people are just themselves, they can sometimes find themselves attacked. discord and Patreon places have becomes places, where one cannot really be authentic. there is a unwritten script you have to follow with everything, and if you step out of line in any direction, you are the new target of hate. I don't even dare to go on this discord anymore and I don't always comment on other Patreon places, because simply there isn't room for nuance anywhere! last week I asked a basic question about something, and the entire crowd misunderstood my intentions and even as I cleared things up, it was too late. they had decided. I was OUT. (: and I can't even imagine the pressure of being the ones uploading content!! I am just speaking for myself here - but I ADORE when bon and em are NOT 100% fluff and happiness (might be taken I the wrong way - of course I wan them to be happy lol ) but when they HONESTLY dislike something and say it, I love it. 🌹authenticity over fake performance all the way. 🥀

Bridget

bonny and emily are constantly ridiculed by other swifties online for "not being critical enough" towards taylor's work, and now within their community, they are being judged for saying taylor's happiest album lacks an emotional depth that perhaps her saddest one did? i mean, it's laughable really. after all this time, people should be giving these women the benefit of the doubt, and also realize that paying to be on this channel doesn't give you the freedom to be condescending or brash towards them.

Marissa

I'm so sorry you had to write this to defend yourself. I haven't read any of the comments on the last video, but just wanted to say that I'm here because I want to know what you authentically feel about things, and I hope that you can feel comfortable continuing to share your honest thoughts. I have loved all the showgirl content and did not get the idea at all from the last video that you aren't obsessed with showgirl!

Val

GUYS! We love you! I understand what you are saying 100% and never thought you would have to write this post to defend yourselves. Thank you so much for all the content you create and the fun you bring into our lives. Like all kinds of art, Taylor's albums can all be appreciated differently and for different reasons and you should not have to defend why you think some type of way about it! It is very obvious that you will be fans FOR LIFE of Taylor. Any person not getting what you are saying are people not understanding the meaning of "criticism". Criticism is the analysis of any art and it can be all kinds of positive and negative! Please never stop sharing your thoughts because you personally make me feel so seen. I also think I have fathomed TLOAS after a month and that's ok! That does not stop me from loving it ❤️

Michelle Langlois

You two always show up with joy and sparkle. If people choose to twist your words, that’s on them — your love and respect for Taylor has never been up for debate. Keep shining. 💜✨

Marshall

Hi when I commented about ‘depth’ on your previous post I didn’t mean to offend you or spread any negativity, it was just me sharing my thought process and somewhat opinion, I also wanted to clarify that I didn’t think or read what y’all said as claiming that TLOAS was lacking in depth or in anything generally. I hope my words weren’t the ones that hurt you cause I love your content and the safety of the community you have built with your positivity. Thank y’all for everything, I’m glad you’re standing up for yourself and I really appreciate all that you are and do. xxxx

Jenny MacRunnel

I agree completely! There are still layers in the new album, though, I feel like some people aren't even trying to find them, and dismissing it way too early.

Sin-e-ad

Crazy you ever had to apologise for saying this album isn't that deep! No need to aplogise for your opinion on art! Its subjective...although I'd love to hear an argument for how this album is deep in any way...? xoxo

J smo

Expecting someone to change their language when it comes to innocuous words like “depth” to suit your feelings is exactly why the world has become so polarized. Communicating is about seeking to understand someone else, not interpreting words through the lens of your own baggage.

Anna

The fact that you even had to write this is beyond ridiculous

Nevara PUMPKIN Shaw

So sorry that you were made to feel this way. We are so grateful for what you do and what you’ve created. I don’t think you said anything negative and even if you had, it’s chats and reacts. I enjoy you both being authentic in your reactions and opinions, that is part of the fun! Any who, love you chickens and don’t change who you are for anyone! ❤️❤️‍🔥❤️

Katie Kimmel

I immediately thought the EXACT same thing. And, as a teacher, immediately said, "YOU DIDN'T READ THE ENTIRE PASSAGE BEFORE YOU RESPONDED. For the 87,923 time: READ.THE.WHOLE.PASSAGE.BEFORE.RESPONDING."

Rhonda

You two are phenomenal and have brought me personally so much joy since 2020! I think people in general are changing in a not so attractive way at times. The amount of time and effort you have put in on this very subject matter of All things Taylor has been remarkable!!! Please read that framed, handwritten note and remember Scott whispering sweet nothings in your ear whenever you feel the least bit discouraged!!! Don’t know what I did, or would do without yall!!❤️