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86 Episode 13 (Patreon)

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2025-11-13 18:00:12
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2026-06
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Alexiel

Dont worry, the part about Shin's brother in EP12 was so vague and subtle, I'm not sure if anyone figured it out without having read the light novel. Certainly not me xD.

Strait Jacket

I've known plenty of vets with PTSD and this episode hit so hard. You can still see the detachment and distance each of them has despite the connections they've made. Theo still drawing their emblems or comrades' faces, Anju completely dismissing a future of cooking for her children, Kurena even still wearing boots with a fluffy dress. Raiden not even looking at the Vanagandr parade but mimicking the controls and the mirror reflection shot. The show does a good job of simultaneously showing it as heroism and resolve to continue the fight but also the tragedy and horror of these children seeing it as their entire purpose.

Zen

Interesting tidbit here (very slight spoiler, but quite useful): In the world of Eighty-Six, some bloodlines posses special abilities; they're called Espers, and from what we've seen so far, these include Telepathy (Pararaid), Frederica's (limited Clairvoyance), and Shin's (the ability to move silently, if you've noticed. Even back in the beginning of episode 10's Fido memory sequence, little shin made no sound landing from his jump). In the medieval age, these group of people/families/clans with special ability would made a lot of achievements in warfare, hence why most of them became nobles. The Nouzen clan (Shin's) in particular became a revered group of warrior-assassins due to their innate combat talent and, of course, the ability to move silently (Onyx Martial Prowess). They're basically the equivalent of the Ackermans from Attack on Titan. These are all the info I can share without heading into spoiler territory for now.

Aditya Chakrabarti

It is only Shin that can hear the voices of the Legion. The Para-Raid works by connecting the the sense of hearing between people. So, everyone who is actively connected to Shin via the Para-Raid can hear the legion voices since the Para-Raid enables them to hear what he is hearing, though not to the same degree as Shin, as he seems to be able to monitor the voices of every legion within the borders of an entire nation, and those connected to him via Para Raid seem to only hear the legion in the immediate battlefield-distance vicinity. I imagine it as sort of shins hearing being directly transmitted to other's brains via the para raid, albeit with a huge loss in volume. That is why the handlers in San Magnolia tended to go mad after being assigned to Shin's team.

LoSCruXx

Something that the anime doesn't quite describe is that Frederica's ability only works when she knows people's names and she has to ask them for it. so a paper with a name on it is not going to work.

The Anime Dude

I learned something from Steph there at the start, I own the novels but still haven’t gotten around to reading them - but I wouldn’t have been able to pick up on that being literal. 😂 Makes sense though. 👍🏻

JJR10

So...there was an after credit. A very brief one that starts at 23:21 of the episode. But it was blended in with the ending credits. Part 2 of 86 does not have as many after credits as Part 1 but when it does, it tends to blend in with the ending credits. I would not trust Crunchy's "Skip Credits" button to catch these such as this case here. As to Steph's comments at the beginning regarding the literal "dream" sequence of Rei carrying Shin, I would recommend rewatching. The imagery and the dialogue very much clue the viewer into what was happening. Wes mentioned that as he thinks back it does make more sense but I think it would be cool to go back for a second look to appreciate the symbolism. I had written this long comment for episode 12 only to lose it due to Patreon's rather lack luster commenting system. And by then I saw other viewers breakdown what had happen between Rei and Shin. One thing from that lost comment I will say here, is there was an rather minor clue in episode 11 that points to Shin not being dead even with that "headless" scene. When you go back to episodes with Shin thinking of Rei before their final clash, Rei's face was always obscured by swirling red scribbles. Depicting Shin's rather hazy memories of Rei during those good times. And then when we see Shin's "headless" body during the last shot of episode 11, those same swirling red scribbles is what depicts the loss of Shin's head. Rather than say something more graphic that we've known this show capable of not shying away from. So one could take that as Shin's final thoughts of how he'll end up as he faded into unconsciousness....or at least that's how I saw the stylistic choice of those red scribbles on Shin's body. After a rewatch of course lol

Random

For a long lived military figure, Genghis Khan lived to 65, he also had 100s of concubines and over 1000 children. In one of the earlier episodes they went over Shin's power really well. The episode where Annette talked about her father and the 86 children.

Atlas Creation

There’s a common theme of money/capitalism in this episode. Billowing smoke clouds, advertising to children, ads that emphasize exclusivity and giving in to your loved ones, the older brother who couldn’t get an education due to the lack of money, pestering merchants. This country def isn’t perfect

Iriza

If the Giad empire created the Legion, who knows what kind of technology they had? It might've been possible for Frederica to have ordered the attack of the Legion by having her consciousness uploaded into some kind of technology that gave her knowledge? She seems way too knowledgeable and mature for her age, after all, but that could also just be because she's already experienced a lot despite her young age, forcing her to grow up faster. But the Legion can clearly have consciousnesses uploaded into them and share people's memories as information like a hive mind, so they clearly had the technology. However, I personally think she just said that she ordered it because she feels guilty and wants people to hate her for it, not to make herself feel better, but to make everyone else feel better, and in order to one day make up for that sin through her actions. Give people someone to blame for why so many people had to die, as well as someone to forgive when that very same person takes responsibility and makes up for their sin, thus giving the hurt people a form of closure?

Rostislav

What you described is the best that could be in a country during a war for survival. They have competent authorities, a functioning economy, and strong institutions. For me, this is a realistically ideal country.

Nelson CHen

Haven’t read the LNs, but to me the contrast was always between San Magnolia being a stand-in for like a fascistic Russia or France with a full on propaganda apparatus and Giad being a more liberal / progressive, transparent democracy. And the 86 were basically conscripted to fight in the former out of racism and a programmatic genocide, and in the latter volunteering to defend a more open society deserving of protection.

€lie

I just want to clear the misunderstanding ~ u might already know but Frederica and Shin aren't blood related. They are simply a so called 'found family' not relatives at all it is Kiriya x Shin who are actually connected not Frederica with Shin even though they do look VERY similar. 🎀