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The West Wing, Season 4, Episode 14 (Patreon)

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Inauguration: Part I

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jimmy2k4o .
>>134659724

I think it’s not Rwanda since they reference the “94 genocide I think Kundu is meant to represent African countries without involving them in fictional genocides. Like how dc comics create fictional countries so they don’t offend people living in the country they’re portraying as bad. Or how west wing creates fictional politicians to represent certain causes.

Michelle Taylor

I still think Josh cares and loves Donna, but he's not in love with her. He's immature when it comes to emotions and relationships. Donna is like his sister, his family, his rock. She's the one who looks after him in every way possible, and he's scared of losing that security to someone else to anyone else. I don’t think he realizes it.

Michelle Taylor

I agree with the viewpoints regarding the factors influencing our decision to provide assistance to specific individuals and nations. I also believe that proactive intervention is necessary, rather than waiting for conflicts to escalate into full-blown wars. The prevalence of wars and genocides in Africa can be attributed to the inadequate infrastructure in place, which in turn hinders access to essential resources and fosters conflicts. International assistance plays a vital role in safeguarding the security and welfare of our military personnel, and in fostering worldwide stability. Reflect on the potential benefits of proactive measures, rather than passive gestures, in deterring past aggressors like Hitler from invading Poland. It is essential to explore all diplomatic and strategic avenues before considering military intervention.

Pam Nail

- The CJ episode aired in the same order in real time too. Not sure why. - I love how just a few episodes ago Will failed Toby and Bartlet's test of speaking truth to power. He doesn't seem to have such problems anymore. - I didn't *completely* get the "sleeping in each other's houses" thing even after Josh explained it; it took the Television Without Pity summary for me to understand that swapping family members was to avoid adding incest on top of the sexual assault. - We've met the fictional country of Kundu in season 2 (the episode where we first meet Ainsley) and Toby and Josh are trying to get the pharmaceutical companies to provide some relief for a country being ravaged by AIDS. Toby's the one who brings up the hypocrisy of caring more about "giving a white guy an erection than curing a black guy of AIDS." - It was a great move to precede this episode with "Guns Not Butter" to explore how hard it is to sell foreign aid to the public before we jump into a very real and urgent problem. - [rot13 for spoilers] Vg'f shaal gung jr trg gur fghss nobhg gur Puvrs Whfgvpr naq uvf zragny pncnovyvgvrf urer naq jr qba'g urne nalguvat ryfr nobhg vg hagvy arkg frnfba. V'ir nyjnlf jbaqrerq jurer Fbexva jnf tbvat jvgu gung, ohg V ybir gung Wbua Jryyf riraghnyyl cvpxrq vg onpx hc.

Skinny_Obelix

The US doesn't have much official presence in Africa because it's a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen, and they happened to messed up big time in the 60s and 70s installing a slew of dictators they thought they could control. So trust is completely gone and African countries have turned to Russia and China. China for infrastructure in exchange for mining rights and Russia for military. That said, there's a massive presence in Central Africa by major companies, but it's iffy. Like the mining of Coltan in Eastern Congo. Coltan is a mineral that's needed to cool down electronics without using much space, like you would need in cellphones. 90% of the world's coltan is being mined in Eastern Congo, yet Samsung, Apple, and Huawei, all claim that the coltan they use comes from the other 10% that is getting mined, not from the conflict regions where slavery is rampant, even though th 10% is nowhere near enough to supply the world market. The problem is that nobody officially knows where the 90% ends up. Yet the warbands that control the region are supplied with money, drugs, and weapons... Also know that the Democratic Republic of Congo is the only country in the world that has every single minable mineral in the ground. So sure we're talking cellphones, diamonds, gold, ... but also Uranium and I don't have to say to what that can lead... So the US might not have an official presence but it's such an important region that they definitely have an underground presence. The problem with large parts of Africa is that it doesn't work like we know countries to work. The governments are the people who control the ports, the airports and the capital. Everything else is up for grabs and who is able to control those parts. It's basically this valley to that valley is under control of x today, but if y shows up with better guns, it flips. It's like billionaires buying up parts of the Amazon to stop deforestation. It's all with good intentions, but if you can't enforce the law there's nothing you can do. So you can't really go in as a foreign country to try and gain control, because it changes from day to day. The US and Europe screwed Africa, and we're doing as little as possible to deal with the consequences.

Sarah P

Having parents who worked for the State Dept sometimes gives context when I watch this show: - When Bartlett is talking to the guy in the Oval Office about the U.S. presence in Kundu, the guy says that there’s maybe 10 people at the Embassy and “no agency presence”, which surprises Bartlett. Given that an Embassy is the focus of a country’s presence in another country, 10 people is very small and gives a good indicator that this country is not one the US government feels it needs to keep a close eye on. Until now.’ “Agency” refers to CIA. They maintain a presence at some/most/who knows how many Embassies. All I know is that they sometimes/often have their own floor of the building, for security reasons,

Youtalkingtome
>>134659724

Even it's fictional in the show, the fact that everyone knows what they are talking about is important. I'm glad that they addressed this

Youtalkingtome
>>134660366

It is shameful, it's sad to think that the world can be so beautiful and full of such horror. My heart bleeds

Youtalkingtome
>>134666370

Yes, the foreign aid episode before this one was a really good call. I remember that episode in season 2, but didn't recall this being the same country. Good catch. Will stepping up just validates why I like his character so much

Youtalkingtome
>>134669468

That's infuriating. I actually don't even know what to say to that. It's mind boggling what we prioritize over actual life. Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think I am. Shame on the people that stand to benefit.

Youtalkingtome
>>134679045

I'm hoping they go further in the second half of the episode. This is gripping. Thank you for the context

Jim Miller

This episode always bring the question to my mind, "Why didn't President Bartlett every fire Miles Hutchinson?".

trenton gragg

Allison Janney was on the series finale of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Balazs Foldes

Khundu was introduced in the episode with the AIDS crises, the preseident of Khundu coming to the White House to negotiate a solution with the drug companies. And then, there was a coup in Khundu, and he was shot in the airport parking lot when he returned home - he would not stay. :( So, it's slightly inconsistent that Bartler would not even know where R.E.K. is and had to reach for an Atlas... but, I guess, I get that sentence: they had to underline to the audience that it is an unimportant country (no oil or anything like that) and that it's somewhere in Africa. Anyway, I will have a couple of extra thoughts about things after Part II (including the Chief Justice, hopefully I won't forget it).

Weird Magic

Originally airing on February 5, 2003, 'Inauguration: Part 1' is Episode 14 of Season 4 of The West Wing. It is the 80th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.0, placing it as the #12 ranked episode of this season and #58 out of all the episodes shown so far.

jimmy2k4o .
>>134659724

Yes especially when people praise and big up the UN. As good as the UN is, the Rwandan genocide happened right under their noses. They knew ahead of time about the genocide, reported it to the UN and they did nothing. In some cases they even refused to help the tootsies and aided the Hutus. UN also did nothing to stem the tide of nuclear weapons being developed by rogue states.

jimmy2k4o .
>>134659724

UN even ordered their observers and peacekeepers to call them “acts of genocide” instead of genocide because the genocide convention mandates signatories to act immediately to prevent or punish genocide

jimmy2k4o .

When they make the point about “genocide vs acts of genocide” they’re criticizing this episode in UN history.

Cristy

I miss Ainsley too! Unlike Mandy who just disappeared and it didn't phase me at all, I actually miss her lol. The whole Bible debacle is hilarious, poor Charlie. I do love Danny and CJ, they have great banter and chemistry.

IgoZoom

Allison Janney is one of the best actresses of a generation. I seriously put her up there with Meryl Streep and Sally Field. There is no one else like her and I can't fathom 'The West Wing' with anyone else! I will watch anything if she's in it!

Katie

I was caught up in the spring and so excited for you guys to get to these episodes, because they get to me everytime. So I ended up waiting so I could binge watch along, and it's taken me this long to start back up again.

Youtalkingtome
>>146515626

We didn't allude to either side. We were simply speaking about the atrocities that are committed in the world and like we said in the video. We did not share our opinion because of how politicized everything is.

James B.
>>146515626

I'd probably also delete your comments, because they'll surely trigger people who'll want to weigh in, including myself, and I can already see the endgame where people are cursing at each other, and the whole convo has to be deleted by the mods anyway.