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Mad Men, Season 6, Episode 13 (Patreon)

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"In Care Of" - Going Down?

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Actuarial Lurker

Can it get worse?- beat up a pastor in a bar, end up in the drunk tank and then Hershey's...watch season 7 and find out

Actuarial Lurker

The ending scene set to Joni Mitchell' "Both Sides Now" as the outro song is epic

Actuarial Lurker

It wasn't Chevy- but you guys were close- will he make a comeback from "leave" like Freddie who embraced AA

Actuarial Lurker

Still like Bob given what his "partner" Manolo did? or what he did to Pete in the GM lobby

Jesus

Possibly my favorite episode of the entire series

Actuarial Lurker

I always wondered why his fingerprints at booking for beating up the pastor wouldn't track back to Dick Whitman. i guess they didn't fingerprint GIs in the 1950s?

Youtalkingtome
>>138744705

My guess (apropos of nothing) is that, at the time, it was a more difficult task to run someone's prints through a federal check, so they didn't bother when they arrested a rich guy for a drunken fight.

Actuarial Lurker

Don embraces Dick...shouldn't have done it in front of a client...he's finally starting to bottom out and realize he can't keep faking his way through life. Then the reveal to his kids about the brothel he grew up in...

Actuarial Lurker

14 episodes left- Seasons 7A and 7B each have 7 episodes

Actuarial Lurker
>>138740617

My favorites are The Suitcase from Season 4, Close the Door and Have A Seat that ended Season 3 and Guy Walks Into an Ad Agency with the lawnmower incident also in Season 3. My favorite Season is #5

Jesus
>>138740617

Some of my top 5 are from s7 so I wont name them - my favorite seasons are 6/7

Brian Harris

That look Sally gives him at the end is perfect. She is SEEING him for the first time. And if nothing else comes of Don’s fall, it would still be worth it just for that. It’s a core memory the moment you see your parents for who they really are. And I don’t think it could have happened any other way.

Youtalkingtome
>>138739944

Was Bob involved in the Manolo incident? I didn't think the two were that well connected. Him screwing over Pete I saw as him saving his skin. I thought Pete was just associating the two of him. If Bob knew that was going to happen he's a piece of trash.

Youtalkingtome
>>138746881

If she makes it out there. Yeah, I wanna say yes. However, things don't always go as planned on this show

Youtalkingtome
>>138755057

I loved that he got it off his chest and bore his soul. Obviously wrong place, wrong time. I just think this is what he needs. He's purging himself and with him showing his kids that, I didn't read it as a negative. I think he's beginning to let them in. I could be completely wrong. We'll see what S7 brings!

tom

S5 finale - Everything seems uplifting, characters moving onto bigger better things, all seems well on the surface... but that hint at the end of Don spiralling... S6 finale - Everything seems dour, Don couldn't hold everything in and gets cornered by his allies... but that glimmer of hope at the end, maybe not for Don but for Sally...

tom

I noticed "confession" is an interesting theme in the episode. Obviously the minister tries to goad Don into unburdening his soul. The flashback to the man of religion preaching to Don. And in the end Don ends up confessing to a stranger, feeling that he has to say it because he doesn't know if he'll get a chance to again. But of course he always has a chance to, he just can't admit that because then it means he could have improved himself all this time. Confession also shows up with the Ted and Peggy storyline. She even uses the word confess. In the end, Ted also can't go on living with the cognitive dissonance and needs to be pushed into purging himself of the toxicity -- for him, a part of himself that he, unlike Don, doesn't have the stomach for. Sadly for Peggy, it happened to be the part of himself that told her "I love you". The two of them, Don and Ted, have a parallel arc of sorts. Both going to their respective love interests (both saying "I love you", maybe for the first time -- did we ever hear Don say that to Megan?) and devastating them after leading them astray.

tom

That final shot of Peggy, sitting in Don's chair looking out the window. Framed exactly like the last shot of the opening credits! Do we finally have our answer for who will truly be him in the end?

tom

I love looking at Roger and Joan in that last meeting. The way Don looks to them (Joan first), his closest friends for reassurance and there's no salvation there. They can't help him on this.

tom

Interesting that you say in the beginning S6 is more of an ensemble. I hope other people can weigh in on this, because -- and it could just be that there's more flashbacks -- I always saw S6 as having more of a focus on Don, and S5 veering away from him to focus on the other characters.

tom

I love Joan allowing Roger to see Kevin but maintaining boundaries and reminding him of what this is: "I'm inviting you into Kevin's life, not mine"

Jesus
>>138740617

I think theres a clear divide between early and late Mad Maners (Mad Men Men?)

tom

So... the Pete and Bob stuff reaches its climax? It's only natural that the almost absurd mysterious nature of Bob crescendos in the most absurd mysterious way. A murder on a cruise. Did Bob know about it? Recall that an episode or two ago, we got a short phone call scene of Bob yelling in Spanish and insulting Pete ("I don't care how nice she is, Pete Campbell is a bastard" etc). So, he did know, and planned it as revenge like we see in this episode? Why would he do that when he seemed to have feelings for Pete? But, did he? Or is that part of his servile strategy for attaining power? Did he misread Pete as being closeted and was trying to seduce him? Or to implicitly blackmail him about getting people in the office talking about their relationship? Is Bob even gay? Maybe his initial strategy was to get close to Joan like he did to Pete, but realized Joan would not fall for that and for whatever reason thought Pete would. Was he wrong about Manolo, how well did he know him? Maybe he is actually gay but his sudden confession of love the other episode was also a fake strategic move? Maybe it's all just a burst of absurdity like we often see in Mad Men? My perspective on all of the Bob weirdness and the mystique behind his character is it's kind of like if Don was not a main character. We get so many intimate and personal scenes of Don alone and we're still trying to puzzle that clusterfuck out. Imagine if we saw way less of him and tried to figure out the seemingly contradictory words and actions of his. Even the names have a similarity to them, "Don Draper", "Bob Benson".

Jesus
>>138774134

I think this season sets up the creeping possibility of a post-Don Sterling Cooper by goving us extensive flashes of other characters and their professional and moral quirks, versus season 1’s deliberate Don-centered narrative; the writers have to somewhat marginalize Don because thats what the character is doing to himself, so the other side of that is turning the camera on to the rest of the agency precisely so that we (like joe and kevin have pointed out) realize “hey they kinda dont need Don do they?”

tom
>>138774134

Yeah, there's a sense of seeing the world move forward without Don which ties into the whole 50s-60s aspect

Spring

I will never not get choked up at the last scene. Don spent his whole life chasing fresh starts because he was afraid of failing, but it took him actually failing to finally get a fresh start. Like what Trudy says to Pete “It’s going to take you a moment to realize where you are. You’re free.” It’s hard to imagine TV ever getting better than this show.

Weird Magic

Originally airing on June 23, 2013, 'In Care of' is Episode 13 of Season 6 of Mad Men. It is the 78th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 9.1, placing it as the #1 ranked episode of this season and #6 out of all the episodes shown so far.

tom
>>138821573

I forgot to add in one of my original comments: Can we take a moment to appreciate how damn wise and graceful Trudy is?

Robert Bauman

Interesting to note that during the bar scene with the pastor the song playing in the background "Band of Gold" is the same song playing in the bar during the first scene of the pilot. Probably trying to drive home the fact that at the start of the episode we're nearly a decade later on and Don has not changed in any appreciable way

Actuarial Lurker
>>138756225

Now try to guess the time jump. Season 6 just ended at Thanksgiving 1968...but no mention of Nixon winning....

Robert Bauman

I think that Don getting put on leave is certainly defensible, but if I were Don it would be hard to stomach Bert and Roger pulling the trigger like that. Beyond the fact that he's friends with Roger, Don spent most of his career being significantly better and more invested in his job than Roger. The dude literally threw up on the Nixon team's shoes because he was drunk and nearly put them out of business by losing Lucky Strike, but Bert decides to draw the line now? Man...guess those are the perks to having the firm's name be the same of yours. Btw I agree that Don getting away from Sterling Cooper is probably in everyone's best interest but Cooper's righteous anger there bothers me given everything we've seen over the course of the last decade from these characters.

Youtalkingtome
>>138774250

I can't wait to see where that relationship goes. Will she let him in more? Does that whole situation blow up? Roger is the jealous type

Youtalkingtome
>>138774615

That's a crazy read of Bob. I don't know how much of that they will explore, but you've made a very compelling case

Youtalkingtome
>>138821573

Trudy is the best. Pete never deserved her. I'm happy for Don. I'm curious to see what speed bumps lie ahead

Youtalkingtome
>>138862822

That's what it is. Roger has way more privilege. I just think he's always had more people in his corner. Don has been spiraling for a while and has made enemies along the way. Plus the Hershey's pitch was pretty wild. They can see that he's losing it.

tom
>>138756225

I'm so conditioned to opening more replies in these threads and seeing you hint at things, but with this one I was like "It's about episode count, there's no way he found a way to, right?"...

tom

I love that you guys went into this expecting Don's breaking point to be entering a meeting, intoxicated out of his mind, slurring his way through a pitch or ending up cursing the clients out. I thought the same thing watching this episode, so the fact that it's not a drunken, reckless explosion, but this raw truthful unspooling of his personal baggage makes it so memorable to me. I love how he was at his wits' end internally and just couldn't hold it in anymore. The shot of him struggling through his words with his hand covering his face is so powerful. It was Don at his lowest -- it feels truly human how little sense it makes. If it was him reverting to alcoholism or anger, it could've been just as bad and he could've been just as punished, but the people who witnessed it could have at least understood and empathized. Yet the way he almost completely soberly just breaks down emotionally, in such a calm, quiet way, must seem so bizarre and seemingly random. I agree it was the push he needed to open up a little to his kids, but was the 'unspooling' itself cathartic in any way? In the moment he almost seems in shock with no rational thoughts, just a ball of emotion that happened to have enough empathy to send Ted to LA.

tom
>>138755057

It's part of the tragedy, I think. What we've been wanting him to do for a while and it happens at the worst possible time.

tom

I find Megan's lines about Don's kids at the end fascinating. It feels sharply realistic the outburst she has of dismissing them as screwed up, then assuring how much she cares for them, and then the final line about how she used to pity them before she realized "we're all in the same boat". I used to think this was a general line about childhood and maturity, with Megan realizing the caring maternal role she tried to play for them didn't work because truthfully she doesn't know any better than them, or even a realization that everyone including Don is screwed up with their own baggage/trauma, but I think it was more of a criticism of Don. Saying that she used to feel bad for them, not because of having a split family and dealing with Betty, but because they had to have Don as a father. But then she realized she's in the same boat by having to have him as a husband. Pointed final words.

Robert Bauman
>>138862822

100%. He's just too much of a wildcard right now. At least with Roger you know what to expect, both good and bad haha

Robert Bauman

"Not great Bob!" lives on as a meme to this day

tom
>>138913349

Oh yes, can't believe I forgot to mention that. It's good to see it hit for people on a first viewing.

tom

Last comment I swear! How could I forget about Betty? A great scene to give us her at maybe her most sympathetic since S1 while also conveying how Don's actions have affected Sally. The pain of Betty as a mother not knowing how to connect with her daughter as she grows more independent but also more unpredictable. We saw a glimpse of it early in the season with Sally on the phone not wanting to say goodnight to Betty and now we see her devastated and unsure what to do. But like all Betty scenes, as sympathetic as she is her character flaws still remain. She mentions doing everything for her that her own mother did for her. Her worldview of parenting is constrained to that, because she still cannot fathom that the way her mother raised her was extremely flawed, she still thinks that if she repeats the same things then Sally will turn out right! That contradiction and lack of self-awareness... Classic Betty, classic Mad Men, classic humans in general.

Actuarial Lurker
>>138739944

When on the phone with Manolo he called Pete a "Cabron" and "hijo de Puta" which is basically bastard and Son of a whore/bitch, respectively- so the question is whether that was a green light to try to marry her for her money- "which they didn't know she no longer had since Pete's Dad blew it all...

Actuarial Lurker
>>138746881

Now remember the Sharon Tate white shirt with Red Star that Weiner PURPOSEFULLY put on Megan and you get into the speculation that started online when we hear she might be going out to LA

Actuarial Lurker
>>138755057

Tom- I always thought that IF he were to cone clean it would be to Roger who knew he was a fur salesman and accused of swimming in a "fishn' hole" back in Season 1 Ladies Room so knew he was poor. Not that he was Dick Whitman- just that he was very poor and had to claw his way up and now he felt he was losing it all.

Actuarial Lurker
>>138770656

Mini Non-Spolier hint- obviously with Sally already turning 14 in Season 6 we will see more of her as a teen in Seasons 7A and 7B and how she reacts to what she saw with Don and Sylvia- its an elephant in the room

Actuarial Lurker
>>138773946

Tom- except we see Duck bringing in a replacement for Don in the elevator so the audience is primed for Peggy being faced with the possibility of having a new boss and one who doesn't even know her

Actuarial Lurker
>>138862822

Robert- Bert is an AYN Rand guy so when he is done with Don being useful he is expendable...when Don tried to protect the rich client's son HoHo from doing Jai-Alai ads the father who was a war profiteer said he wanted his son to have his head hit the pavement in the school of hard knocks to get out of his entitled bubble and Bert agreed "Eat or be eaten, that is how I WAS raised....so not surprised there given that he also said to Don "who is really signing this contract anyway", when Conrad Hilton insisted he have a contract...Bert is willing to throw Don or anyone else under a bus. Roger deep down is a decent guy and other than Bert Peterson he never really fired anyone or targeted anyone- he just buys them off with cash to change offices etc

Brian Harris
>>138774615

Oh Bob is for SURE an outsider’s perspective of Don. He’s a slightly different model. More glib, less artsy, a more corporate version. I think more desperate too. Wherever Bob comes from, I bet it makes Don’s past look downright wholesome.

Youtalkingtome
>>138882414

It really was. It showed true character and not in a bad way. It's like she's finally waking up from this dream.

Jesus
>>138755057

Yeah Roger is enough of a not-idiot to have pieced a lot of Don together, a thing Don clearly doesn’t appreciate based on his facial expressions “which means that under no circumstances are you to trot out that drawl you do when you’ve had a few too many” aka “keep your guard up with these people - they expect rich New Yorkers”, or “teaching” him how to be rich by buying the Cadillac, ditching small-time clients regardless of good standing in pursuit of bigger opportunities, inviting him into his elite country club and galas. Dude knows Don was very recently an underclassman. I think Roger genuinely cares despite his millionaire-flaws about the human connections he has, high amongst them Don, and would have been a great person to open up to under different circumstances.

Actuarial Lurker
>>138959179

Just wait until Season 7A and &B when your views of various characters are screwed with again by Mr. Weiner...

Actuarial Lurker
>>138755057

Nice summary of how Roger is like an older brother to Don- teaching him to not only get expensive haircuts and shaves (at Bert Cooper's request to get them to kiss an make up) but not feel "unmanly" to get a manicure to look good like his own father Sterling Sr. We see how he reacts when Pete takes credit for bring back Mohawk Air (and says that's the last guy I hired) when we see the flashback show Don as the fur sales guy. So he really DOES see it as his job to get the guys to be professional (other than being drunk philanderers). In Season 1 we see the guys lighting the aerosol deodorant on fire as Bert Copper is outside of Don's office and Bert quips "I always wondered who was responsible for the "Navy Attitude" around this place"= a not so subtle dig at Roger that TOO much bad behavior is unseemly and its HIS fault...We then think of the bad interview Don gave at the start of Season 4 to the reporter with the wooden leg from his Korean War injuries..."You turned Glo-Coat into a wet-fart...is that what you want the image of this agency to be- THAT along with the place where a guy was run over by a lawnmower?" So you have opened up a flood gate of instances where Roger really is about keeping face to the outside world- ironic given he wears Blackface in Season 3

Jesus
>>138755057

Yeah I’ve always thought that Roger did in fact make his job look easy to the point partners and the audience under-appreciate his knack for managing accounts and going in for the kill. He’s adept enough in the business that he is constantly tracking when to use Don. In the first episode he is the one that is on Don’s ass to contribute to the pitch, but then 100% understands Don’s little “It’s Toasted” magic trick even though the client (and I) didn’t get it right away. Or when Don is purposely killing the Jaguar dealership guy’s bad idea with a kind of yokel enthusiasm, the camera cuts to Roger for just long enough to show he sees right through Don’s act and approves of it. Theres lot’s of examples of him demonstrating a kind of superior intellect when it comes to the non-creative writing part of their business. Especially after his ego-death trips. I think that rejuvenated his interest, but the skill was always there. He pushed Peggy to handle the Ginsberg hire by herself, he brought in Joan to manage their agency move-out, he coached Lane with some solid advice, he sparred with both during the Duck v. Don arc and got the upper hand on both, he social-engineered them into Chevy contention, he recognized early on that Pete was skilled enough to be a rival, he put the business ahead of his personal feelings and pride constantly (Lee Garner Jr, tactical self-deprecation, accepting Honda), he was never shy about himself seeking mentorship or guidance from Bert and eventually his therapist and so on and on. Roger is the real deal.

sam bristow

I irrationally loathe comparing seasons of a great series. It’s all one big arc. Season 6 and 7 are so good too!

sam bristow

lol y’all and Bob….You realize he’s a sociopath. 😬

Jesus

“There was a man named Hershey, and he made enough chocolate to build a town.” Something about this line is just excellent.

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

Been a busy few weeks for me so I'm just now catching up on Mad Men. This episode was why I made a comment on the last episode that I didn't think Don was being petty with Peggy and Ted, but more driven by self loathing. I was trying to phrase it in a way that didn't spoil this episode. To me, what Don did for Ted with California, breaking down in the Hersey meeting, showing his kids his childhood home, etc. all point to a guy processing himself and finally trying to be good to the people around him as best he can.