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Mad Men, Season 7, Episode 7 (Patreon)

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Actuarial Lurker

RIP Bert Cooper and RIP SC&P....Jim Hobart of McCann wins the long game and Roger takes out cut-throat Cutler who didn't wait for Cooper's body to be cold to make a move

Actuarial Lurker

Waterloo- the episode title signals the last battle

Actuarial Lurker

Moon Landing ends season 7A so guess the time jump for Season 7B...

Actuarial Lurker

The actor playing Bert Cooper, Robert Morse, was the star of the 1961 Broadway musical "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying" so the final scene was an homage to the role. The actor is still alive aged 93, but was in his 80s when the season ran: Correction from the many comment he passed in 2022 RIP

Actuarial Lurker

End of Don and Megan's marriage...echo of Season 3 finale call from the hotel office

Actuarial Lurker

Sally realizes the jock is good looking but shallow-wiser than Peggy was with Abe's "performative" attitude, and prompted by Don's call chooses the passionate nerd brother with a brain- we see that Sally might NOT turn out like her parents after all

Actuarial Lurker

Lane's suggestion to have 5% of the company instead of $50K for sleeping with Herb from Jaguar has made Joan a Millionaire....RIP Lane

Chris
>>143289181

I don’t like Cutler, but from his perspective Don destroyed Ted, damaged the agency’s reputation at the Hershey’s meeting, crawled back from leave, and disrupted the Commander meeting. Cutler seems like a villain but…

Chris
>>143293844

True though part of the reason he suggested it because he didn’t want to reveal he had borrowed $50,000 already which is another example of the great writing on the show. All the characters have complicated motivations.

tom
>>143292398

I took it as a more cynical realistic thing of her realizing she's too young for the jock to be interested in her, so she goes for the younger easier target but it's still very awkward with the discrepancy in how mature each one is being. It ends unsatisfactorily, he was just stunned and I think she realized she wasn't attracted to him, just trying things out. The phone call / moon landing thing definitely felt like an example of Sally trying to mirror those around her to understand what maturity is. That also feels realistic with how being a kid, sometimes your opinion is defined by whatever you heard most recently. Don meets her with scepticism, appealing to her truth by saying "Do you really believe that?" and "Do you want your brothers to talk like that?"

tom

Peggy tearing up when the kid says his mother doesn't care about him definitely hit home for her. Remember her giving birth and giving up the child, "She does care, that's why she's moving"

tom

This is why Meredith may be my favorite secretary, she's just so funny and oblivious. Like the utter confusion on Don's face when she talks as if there's been tension building between them for months then kisses him and he goes "We can't do this". She's so stern and wants to take care of him LOL. I was thinking of this scene back when we had the Joan airplane scene in S5, it's too good.

tom

Speaking of oblivious, I love how after Joan is blown away by the money she's about to make Pete goes "I've got double that!" with pure excitement. And both of them having lockstep anger at Ted for not wanting to take the deal.

Youtalkingtome
>>143292398

I take it as her rebelling against the cynical nature of the Jock. The other kid was full of optimism. Maybe I have the wrong read but she was definitely more attracted to the jock. It was a spur of the moment thing that she probably did have to get out.

tom

A great way to end the first half of the season and an awesome send-off for this character. So jarring and surreal and musical and contradictory and thought-provoking. Happy and cathartic and melancholy. It has a distinct feeling and, even though this makes no sense, after watching it for the first time I actually had to look up if the actor had passed away, just because it does such a good job of imbuing the audience with that feeling. He actually did fairly recently, and it felt like watching this scene for the first time all over again, just because of how memorable and respectful it is. Truly thankful for his performance and presence on the show.

Youtalkingtome
>>143307164

I agree, it was a supporting role and we didn't get a lot of him. However, he brought so much to this show. A Bert less Mad Men is going to be bitter sweet

tom

Peggy's big pitch coinciding with the moon landing, giving the feeling of landmark progress. One giant leap for womankind. I love how they edit it to show her anxiousness with the sound being all muffled. Don believed in her when no one else did, and redeemed himself for initially swiping the idea from her, giving his full faith. He's really been trying to fix his mistakes.

tom

Harry walking in to accept being a partner and getting immediately rejected is so freaking satisfying. He for some reason is the one character that I can't even stomach going "He is good at his job". I'm glad that he just missed out on the deal.

Chris
>>143307681

I love Ken’s smile near the beginning of the episode when Harry says, “is this a partners’ meeting” and Joan says, “You’re not a partner.”

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

Rest in peace Robert Morse. I think this was the only role I've seen in him, but what a performance. So many great moments in Mad Men belong to him. "Mr. Campbell, who cares? Even if this were true, who cares? This country was built and run by men with worse stories than whatever you've imagined here. The Japanese have a saying, a man is whatever room he is in. Right now, Donald Draper is in this room."

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

I absolutely agree with your observation about Don getting back in and then not being sure if he wants it. Don gave Ted that moving speech about needing to work, but nothing Don said suggested that work actually made him happy. Don just said without work his life got so dark he wanted work back. Tough dynamic, the unbearable misery of life without work or the bearable unhappiness of life with work.

Brian Harris

I’ve been looking forward to this episode because it gives me an excuse to tell this story about Robert Morse, who I was very proud to call my friend and mentor. He was a Broadway legend and I was a lowly struggling actor and director for the theatre when I met him (and I still am). I was directing a production of Tru, a one-man show about Truman Capote, which he had won a Tony for back in the 70s, and through a series of unlikely events, he heard about our production and reached out. He asked if it would be all right if he attended a rehearsal. We were thrilled, and he came in and was a perfect gentleman. We spent a lovely evening together, at the end of which he asked if I’d be kind enough to let him assistant direct. I said, “Of course! Unless you’d rather direct it, that seems more appropriate. I can assist you.” He declined, and said he didn’t want to usurp anyone. He’d just left Mad Men (which was not his choice), his agent wasn’t getting him new offers, and he was feeling bored and a little useless. I agreed, thinking he’d eventually lose interest, but appreciating his enthusiasm. He didn’t lose interest. He came to every rehearsal. He stayed in his role as AD, offering insight when it was asked of him and otherwise keeping us entertained with stories of his life in the theatre. He knew everybody and had a memory like a steel trap. He had stories about Zero Mostel, Geraldine Page, Elizabeth Taylor, Joel Grey (who he referred to cheekily as his archenemy), and so many others. I don’t know how we got any work done. He also helped my lead actor through a severe crisis of confidence - I don’t know if that show would have gone on without him. When it was over, he had the grace to thank ME for allowing him to help. I told him we were the grateful ones, that he was a legend and one of the greats. He shrugged and said, “I’m just a song and dance man.” The next year, he took over the production when it moved to another venue and I was unavailable. Of course it was better. Then he got a new agent and came out of retirement. He did another Broadway show and a few more TV spots. Whenever he was in town, we’d get together for lunch or dinner and I’d get career or life advice. He was unfailingly kind and graceful, but he always told me the truth. He passed away a couple of years ago. I hadn’t spoken to him in a few months. I was crushed I didn’t get to say goodbye, but I know he would have understood. Every time I watch that scene in this episode, I feel like he’s singing to me, and the tears always come. Bobby Morse was one of the finest artists, and finest men, I’ve ever known. I’ll miss him the rest of my life.

Paul T Hewes

"He can sing a little bit." WTF?! Dude was a straight broadway musical LEGEND. Robert Morse could sing circles around most people.

Youtalkingtome
>>143319886

Oh wow! Thank you so much for sharing this! That was really wonderful to read! I know it's been a few years, but I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. He sounds like a truly great person, as well as being a wonderful performer.

Youtalkingtome
>>143338378

Embarrassing I know, but I did not put it together until a friend of mine saw this and said "ummm, he was the star of How to Succeed. Of course he could sing!" :)

Actuarial Lurker
>>143307164

It made sense plot wise since landing on the moon for a Bert who would have been born in the late 1880s or early 1890s was a revolution. Also what would he do at McCann...get bought out. It reminded me of how in the TV show Mash a certain commanding officer character was killed off when he was going home...

Actuarial Lurker
>>143319886

Thanks for sharing this and apologies for not realizing he had passed....my wife and I were just watching Joel Grey's Cabaret and his personification of evil was haunting...

Actuarial Lurker
>>143289323

Won't spoil it but every season jump has been 6 months to a year so it is very possible we pass into the 70s. You will be shocked by the clothes and hair- lets just say....

tom
>>143289323

I'm not gonna spoil whether or not Don is the main character, but let's just say you see a lot of him. He's in every episode, the show is even about him you could say, but I don't want to say too much.

tom
>>143314963

It's like Don convincing Megan to go to California and being like "We can be happy" then changes how he feels about it very quickly after already convincing her. Lol never let Don Draper talk you into something if it relies on his emotional stability

heheheheheh

I am so glad you praise this show the way you do, and I agree wholeheartedly. To be honest, this show has ruined TV for me a bit, because it is rare to find such nuance and character building in another show. Breaking Bad gets all the praise from that era, but I never went back to watch it again after its initial run. It was all bang, but lacked a certain depth for me. Not the case with Mad Men. You will find new details every time you watch.

Actuarial Lurker
>>143289323

recall the Season 5 episode opener where Don make the ad about shedding all your skin and walking into the Ocean and everyone though this was a death-like allusion. Well think of that in a BUDDHIST way...where you shed your attachments to the world so that they don't OWN YOU...and the you wil be free. Remember that for Season 7B- all the characters have been GRASPING the American Dream and the death of Bert and defeat of Cutler By Roger by relinquishing control to McCann are symbolic of the end of the Ayn Rand attitude towards life and accepting who you are and what you have and to stop GRASPING

Robert Bauman

I get Joan being mad Don blew up Jaguar after her ordeal and cost her some money at the time, but it's at least a year later and she's still a partner, so I don't get why she's so strident about pushing him out and making him forfeit his shares. Those two aren't super close but they've known each other for years and there was always a mutual respect between them. Off the top of my head I can't really remember Don being intentionally awful to her like he has to a lot of the other employees. Just don't totally get her obstinance about it - seemed pretty vindictive for her. Thought you made a good point about Don long-term at the company. He ultimately won the battle of self-preservation, but with no Cooper, Cutler lurking, and Joan seemingly opposed to him, it's not like things are necessarily going to be awesome for him at SCDP moving forward, even with their new arrangement.

Robert Bauman

Don and Megan finally ripping the band-aid off their marriage. Was ultimately just a rash decision on both their parts to get married, although they did have chemistry, and I think it could've worked for longer (definitely not forever, but longer) if Don had put the bare minimum effort into it. We'll always have Zou Bisou lol

Youtalkingtome
>>143417246

BB is definitely not an "action" show, but after watching this or even BCS, it has that vibe. This show is The Godfather of TV. I haven't seen anything close to this. Maybe Succession? The Good Place, Derry Girls, or WW are close. Mad Men is the best tv show of all time

Youtalkingtome
>>143582399

Right. Joan is now a millionaire. I really hope we see more of why she is so against him going forward. Some of their moments together are the best parts of this show. I would love another scene between the two of them.

Youtalkingtome
>>143582489

I think they could have made it work. It was just way too late. He really ruined that. She was so gracious for so long. It's surprising it lasted this long.

Weird Magic

FTR - it wasn't 6 months of waiting - it was almost 11. Episode 8 of Season 7 aired on 4/5/15. This was truly a great episode of TV. You were also correct about splitting the seasons for Emmy consideration - the cutoff for the 2014 Emmy awards was...5/31/14 :) Originally airing on May 25, 2014, 'Waterloo' is Episode 7 of Season 7 of Mad Men. It is the 85th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 9.5, placing it as the #1 ranked episode of this season and #3 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Weird Magic

2014 Primetime Emmy Awards Mad Men - 3 major noms and 5 minor noms - 0 wins Drama Series - (winner=Breaking Bad) Lead Actor - John Hamm (Bryan Cranston - BB) Supporting Actress - Christina Hendricks (Anna Gunn - BB) Guest Actor - Robert Morse (Joe Morton - Scandal) Costumes (Game of Thrones) Art Direction (Boardwalk Empire) Hairstyling (Downton Abbey) Makeup