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Mad Men, Season 7, Episode 9 (Patreon)

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Actuarial Lurker

Thoughts on Pima Ryan- who does she represent and what is her plot purpose?

Actuarial Lurker

Opening scene contrast with Season 4- Henry threw Don's boxes on the lawn and didn't want him at Baby Gene's birthday party- Now they are all cool hanging out...

Actuarial Lurker

Pima is played by Miimi Rogers who was on the X-files and was marred to Tom Cruise

Youtalkingtome
>>144568071

For me, I can't think of a person she represents, but she is definitely there to show us who Stan and Peggy are. Stan falls for the sales pitch immediately, but Peggy doesn't. And both of them seem to be a little jealous of the affection the other received. Maybe it's because she works in creative, but Peggy seems to know the false sales pitch when she hears it and doesn't become trapped in it like Stan does.

Actuarial Lurker

5 episodes is a lot of time for growth OR a spiral

Yannick Denis-Trudel

I don't know if you remember, at season's 5 start (Zou Bizou), I told you that the french accent was going to become a bit dreadful at some point in the future. This is one of those. Being the only Montrealer in here (most probably... If not, please identify yourself ;-), I can tell you that both sisters (Meagan & Marie-France) are switching from Québécois to International French, and even France French at some point for no particular reason... It's a bit disturbing. It would be like having a character from New York switching to a Bostonian accent, then to a Southern USA one, just like that. But I can see how the director (Michael Uppendahl in this one) asked Jessica Paré to enunciate more certain words for aesthetic reasons... Well, that's what happens in those cases I would dare to say. Still love the show though !

Dylan Hearts

Interesting that January Jones initially didn't wanted to play Betty because her character basically had no meaty scenes in the first season. Weiner even told her that Betty is considered as pretty background character. So Jones instead opted to go at audition playing Peggy Olson, but that didn't work for obvious reasons (Jones is really too "Grace Kelly" for someone like Peggy - a newbie secretary in the office). Later Weiner agreed to write two scenes for Jones at audition for Betty, and that was a wise decision as not only Jones got hired as Betty in the show, those two scenes ended up included in the first season writing. Basically, if Jones didn't push for Betty being a more prominent character on Mad Men, we probably wouldn't see Betty's awesome arc on the series. Or at least Weiner would develop Betty's character much later and not since the beginning of the show as happened. I sincerely think that the case where actress made her character stand out; there's 5 episodes left and I guarantee you that January Jones will pleasantly surprise you before Mad Men ends. The conclusion to her arc is one of the most beautiful things on the show, I always remember it with great deal of pride and sentimentality.

tom

"BRING CASH"

tom

Diana's face in the elevator after Sylvia joins is so funny to me, such a mischievous awkward smile. But so much grief and pain underneath that she doesn't want to move on from. Very enigmatic and interesting. You're right, they both move very quickly as if they're about to start a whole life together but then there's the moments they realize that.

tom

You talked over it a bit but Roger was talking to Don about Jane and how she claims he stole her youth and career. Don asserted that Megan is different from Jane but in the end it comes down to the same things.

tom

Harry is such a slimeball trying to get ahead of the situation, I love that Don sees right through it and says "And what 'crazy' things will Megan say about you?"

tom

I like the juxtaposition of Megan, her mother, her conservative sister and the dynamic with the idea of New York 'poisoning' their mother, ideas of modernity and living a liberal life vs a conservative one and the idea of if it's indulging or breaking free of unhappiness. New York is also mentioned with the Diana and Don plot quite a few times so I'm guessing there's a more extended metaphor in the episode

tom

Ah, Betty doing the classic "person with mental health problems studies psychology" stereotype. It's pretty funny how she goes "you know, people like to talk to me about their problems". Never change, Betty.

tom

Lol you're so right with the "You're a misogynist for hating this female character" and "You're a simp for defending this female character" dichotomy

tom
>>144609317

So weird that she wasn't a big role considering how much of an emphasis the show puts on the female characters

Weird Magic

Originally airing on April 12, 2015, 'New Business' is Episode 9 of Season 7 of Mad Men. It is the 87th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 7.8, placing it as the #14 ranked episode of this season and #77 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Actuarial Lurker
>>144568071

She reminds me of Annie Liebowitz BUT Pima would be 5-8 years too old to be her. I agree with your take on gullibility and Stan's need for approval which we haven't seen yet. I agree on the tinge of jealousy- is it professional or personal- Stan has been trying to sleep with peggy with the whole "Nudist" thing when she called his bluff...

Actuarial Lurker
>>144612678

She should be a child psychologist given how well she has interacted with Sally and Glen....just kidding...

tom
>>144630731

Wait, so this is the worst ranked of S7? I thought it was pretty good, albeit more casual with Peggy and Megan's plots

Youtalkingtome
>>144609317

Love what she has brought to this show. Even though it's not that big of a role she makes do with the scenes that she has. Can't imagine anyone else playing the part

Youtalkingtome
>>144611904

So many great lines from this show. I think we've laughed as hard from this show as any comedy we've done. Mad Men can be really freaking funny.

Youtalkingtome
>>144612113

That's where for me the show owes a great debt to Scorsese. The "Catholic guilt" element. Obviously it's not overtly referencing catholicism. The themes of indulgence having consequence. The guilt that we carry from breaking free.

heheheheheh

From Mad Style blog: "No one needed us to point out that Megan's dress she wore to the meeting with Harry was the dress she wore at the beginning of this season to pick Don up at the airport in Los Angeles. At that time, it represented the height of California sexy chic, but here it looks desperate. She doesn’t have the money to update her wardrobe as often as she did when she had access to Don’s money. When they were married, she rarely repeated outfits and almost always sported something entirely new every time she appeared. Now? She’s last year’s style. This works further as a way of reminding us of the history these characters have with each other. The basic style of the dress, including the accordian-pleated sleeves, calls to mind the famous “Zou Bisou” dress, the original wearing of which prompted Harry at the time to go on about how much he wanted to have sex with her; a wish she overheard and which has always been the basis for her longstanding dislike of Harry. Patterns repeating. Old sins coming back to haunt." When I first watched this season, I felt very much the same way about Megan and her mother's actions as you guys do. Still do in a way. But Don did treat her very very poorly. She allowed it , yes, and stayed for way too long, but she did give up her career for him (but of course she also got it thanks to him). Now she's a bitter, albeit rich, divorcee. Notice how the bitterness runs through these episodes, first with Ken and now her. Someone also pointed out that she didn't smoke when she first met Don, but gradually started to do it more the more anxious she got about their relationship.

Weird Magic
>>144630731

I mean, somebody finishes last in the Olympic 100 M race, doesn't mean they are bad/slow :)

Youtalkingtome
>>144713147

Wow, I never noticed the smoking tick. That's spot on. Yeah he did treat her poorly just seemed very petty. Although her pettiness is nothing compared to how he treated her.