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Mad Men, Season 7, Episode 11 (Patreon)

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Time & Life

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Cole

I have just finished mad men and started like 2 weeks ago so I wasn’t able to be apart of these live until now so I can finally share my thoughts. My favourite character is betty and it’s not close. Obviously I understand she can be kinda horrible at times but she acts a lot better than I would if I was forced into a position by society that made me miserable. And seeing her in the most recent episode trying to improve her life and change has been my favourite thing. I also can’t stress enough how good these last 3 episodes are. Beside maybe the sopranos I’ve never seen a show hit the landing better with there finale episodes.

Cole

This episode was also very bittersweet. The moment I remember most is Roger kissing don which is one of the best moments of the show and the perfect bit of sweetness between the two characters. Don at the end sitting there while everyone else leaves with a date is powerful. Everyone is moving on with their lives trying to find happiness while he’s stuck basically chasing a dead girl the past 3 episodes.

Actuarial Lurker

And so begins the "Don spiral again"...think about the Season 5 opener of a Star is Born with the man shedding his suit to drown in the ocean...he has shed his firm-Roger sold out...he has shed his second marriage...he is selling his "DELUXE penthouse apartment" in the sky like in The Jeffersons, his daughter just left on her own in the last episode to explore semi-adulthood, and he is being absorbed into the place he called a "sausage factory" and turned Hobart down.....so what will Don shed next to discover himself...and CAN HE in just 3 more episodes?....his sales pitch doesn't work...he can't start over...

Actuarial Lurker

Kenny and Dow Chemical are not quite the size of Lucky Strike which $25M...and a few years later so smaller in inflated 1970 versus 1964 dollars

Actuarial Lurker

There was an actual "Massacre of 1692" involving the 2 clans...so it shows that Pete's "less rich" father was still linked to Scottish royalty even though his mother was from the Dyckman family that actually did own a large part of NYC in pre-revolutionary times when it was New Amsterdam and owned by the Dutch

Actuarial Lurker

And Hobart like Satan offering all the Kingdoms of the Earth to Jesus, offers Buick, Ortho (the Birth Control Pill), Nabisco and Coca Cola to the remaining Sterling Cooper partners...but what was Joan offered?....

Dylan Hearts

Next three episodes are the best of the entire series, imo. Brace for creative and emotional impact! Mad Men is a rare TV show to nail the closure for its characters and overall narrative. I agree with notion above that The Sopranos also did it impeccably. Dark (German language sci-fi show on Netflix) is another stellar series with immensely satisfying ending. Many great series really suffered from bad or lousy ending (I won't spoil which ones in case if these series will end up on your channel lol), and it's a shame because TV series take years and enormous collective work to build something worthy of respect, and even if 95% is great, not landing the finale can hugely stain the perception of the entire series (I think many can guess which well known TV show is a perfect example of it lol). So the fact that Mad Men 100% nailed the ending is a miracle on TV universe and the proof of best quality on all fronts: writing, directing, acting, etc. It is something to cherish and return to for the rest of our lives. Gold standard.

Actuarial Lurker
>>145954620

As noted above in my first few watches I viewed these episodes as odd, but when put in the context of the Season 5 opener with Dante and the second half Hotel Ad shedding ones clothes and "baggage" it made perfect sense and was superior writing...

Weird Magic

My only concern is hyping up the last three episodes so the bar is so high it doesn't meet expectations for J&K. I doubt they will be disappointed though. Originally airing on April 26, 2015, 'Time & Life' is Episode 11 of Season 7 of Mad Men. It is the 89th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.9, placing it as the #5 ranked episode of this season and #14 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Youtalkingtome
>>145946273

Roger kissing Don made me smile so hard. Their friendship has had ups and downs but it remains one of the highlights of this magnificent show.

Youtalkingtome
>>145946106

In hindsight we really enjoy Betty too. Her change is so satisfying and I'm actually happy for her character. Next week can't come soon enough. I can't wait to see how this ends.

tom

"The king ordered it!" I forgot how hilarious that entire scene was. From beat-to-beat, just hilarious. Pete and Trudy are a delight together, and that crazy headmaster had me in stitches.

tom

I love the build up, of the "Don pitch", the promised sequel to S2 (and the second one halfway through S6) of this business coup, them managing to find a way to win it all... and it gets completely subverted, dropped, all the wind taken out of it. Then Jim Hobart also tries to sell them, and there's an unsettling mix of "this is good" and "this is very wrong". The relief from the money they're all going to make barely lasts a scene. And even Don can't wrench control of the employees at the end, his big Don Draper speech falls on deaf ears. This time they're not listening. It's a powerful contrast to earlier seasons' partner announcements, like the one where Don convinces everyone to work through the holidays in S5. The Pete and Joan cab ride is very touching. There's again that sense of peril in the air when Joan notes that she doesn't have any accounts and Pete tries to reassure her by complimenting her work ethic. The pre-episode talk you had about Joan seems like it will be prevalent after all.

tom

A lot of unspoken understanding in this episode. I like Pete informing Peggy, it's one of the most selfless things he's done in a while and it seems to confuse even him. What makes him pull her aside to tell her is seeing the little girl run up and hug her, obviously reminding him of their past. I still think about how powerful her telling him the truth was in Season 2. So good. I love the little hints with Peggy's S1 finale bombshell in this show. It never goes away, the show never forgets it, but like Peggy it doesn't feel the need to be burdened by it. The one with Pete's mother in like S6 is hilarious, when Elizabeth Moss has some great face acting when she reacts to her saying "You should make up with Peter", not knowing she mistook her for Trudy. Oh and Peggy getting left with the baby in the S5 premiere! There's so many little nods to it. She finally tells someone, and it's Stan. I understand the reading that she was just projecting, but I think she was firmly aware of her past, and you can see in her face when she decides to cross the line and make it obvious what she's really talking about. I like the nuance of Stan thinking she's mad at the mother and so to be supportive he says the strongest thing he can think of which is that she should've had kids, and then that sets Peggy off and we kind of don't really know what she means -- Stan definitely doesn't, I love his exasperated "I can't even agree with you?" -- and then it's just a very cathartic slow release of her calming herself down as she unburdens everything.

tom

Wow, that Don-Roger scene at the bar was perfect. Line-for-line. A beautiful encapsulation of their friendship; sweet, touching, funny preceded by the dramatic irony of Roger's "date", existential and heart-warming at the end: "You are ok". Enlightened Roger once again, and now it seems like he's become way more grounded to have the benefits of that enlightenment, maybe still having the cynical "nothing matters" of Season 6, but this time taking it on the chin and with a smile. The playful jab at Don for marrying his secretary, pointing out the hypocrisy we spent a season laughing about. Don's little nod to his real name (I don't think Roger even knows unless I'm mistaken, just Don's exes and Pete; Bert having taken it to his grave (and Adam for that matter)) is great subtextual storytelling. What a scene. A lot about this episode felt very final, just like a couple episodes in S7 have. Still three more to go...

tom

"I've never seen him, I swear" was a cheeky line. Because a man as handsome as Don is gonna be the first thing someone thinks about, lol. How do these writers create dialogue so cleverly that just two words at the end can add a whole new meaning?

tom

So we see Don still unable to shake Diana, her shadow still looming over him. It feels like the end of the world, so he rocks up to her doorstep but she's gone.

tom
>>145946106

Well, when you get to your first rewatch maybe you can re-experience it with their reactions, I'd love to see your thoughts on the episodes. I actually only hopped aboard in the S4 finale, so I'm sure I'll eventually watch the full reactions of the earlier episodes at some point. I have a lot of comments talking about and analyzing Betty's character haha, so you might enjoy those too.

Actuarial Lurker
>>146063171

Don't forget that Don knows since he visited her in the mental ward and told her to "move on" with her life and her parents think Don was the father (per the Suitcase episode in Season 4)

Robert Bauman

The Don speech to the employees at the end reminded me of "Chinese Wall" from S4. That one takes place right after Roger loses Lucky Strike and the firm seems to be cratering. Don gives one of his trademark speeches to everyone to rally the troops and the firm ends up recovering by the end of the season. That is a very stark contrast to how this one is received. In my mind his speech falling on deaf ears also seems to foreshadow how things might be at McCann, Don will be just another cog in the machine there instead of the singular figure he is at SCDP.

Actuarial Lurker
>>146062903

Agree- it's shows that by 1970 people didn't believe their bosses were looking out for them and we can all pull together as a team- and they just leave to seek what is good for them. Like Shirley- Roger didn't drive her out- Peggy telling her "we all know you are engaged- grow up" and thinking those roses were from Ted made her realize the place was toxic- not counting Bert shuffling everyone around because "you can't "hijabs line of them out in reception".

tom
>>146063171

Yes, but Stan is the only person who Peggy has told I believe (aside from Pete)

Youtalkingtome
>>146063171

Don visiting her in the hospital in S1 is one of the things I will always remember from this show. The continuity is just wild, they really don't forget anything. I love that Stan knows too. I love their dynamic

Youtalkingtome
>>146063547

I don't think Roger knows. I get why he wouldn't tell him but they probably are best friends. I will miss them on screen together. I really hope they can find a project to collaborate on in the future.

Youtalkingtome
>>146063765

Is it Diana or is it really Rachel? It feels to me like he's unable to shake Rachel. Diana just reminds him of her

tom
>>146063765

I was going to say that. And is it really Rachel, or something else? We saw with Sylvia who he became utterly obsessed with that it wasn't truly Sylvia, it was a perverted maternalism that rattled his childhood. I think Rachel is Don's mirror image and he connected to her so much because of all his confusion about his own carefully crafted identity, and Diana is that getting completely twisted in grief and darkness.

Gona Zoles
>>145946273

Also, Roger's last words to Don in that moment being "You are okay" is a great callback to the pilot, where Don used the same words in a meeting with Lucky Strike.

Df

That ending man. Favorite episode of mad men rn. But that literally changes with every rewatch. Greatest tv series of all time