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The West Wing, Season 5, Episode 13 (Patreon)

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2024-09-09 21:58:04
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The Warfare of Genghis Khan

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Roland Cooke

There's a Middle East nation with nuclear weapons. It isn't Iran. There's an Islamic nation with nuclear weapons. It isn't Iran. + Continuing the discussion about The Diplomat, the scene in the Swiss(?) Embassy with the Americans and the Iranians was a an excellent comparator. The show goes much more into all the crazy running around behind the scenes to gather information and establish communication contacts...all the while trying not to drown in the usual Washington and London political quagmires. It's a lot of fun and the cast is excellent.

Devon Cooper

This is also one of my favorites as well!

Martin Nicholls

On the last one, I guess you could argue that in terms of wish fulfilment it's a little shark jumpy. I know why they did that but we can't discuss it for a lil' while. Great episode, and we got Iran, Israel, nuclear weapons and going to Mars - all of which are not just much bigger stories now than they were back then, but literally this week, particularly the Mars thing with musk announcing test flights and manned missions. Using nuclear weapons isn't wrong if the threat is existential, that's kinda the point. We are though really close to rendering them moot, and when that happens things will get really interesting..

Pam Nail

- This episode (and the next one) have always been another little dip in my interest in this season, but this rewatch I appreciated how well this was made -- particularly the use of that song in the end. - Russell certainly comes through in this very specific situation, but having one useful contribution doesn't make me take him much more seriously as a leader. I think we've all had moments where we're in a group of people who far outstrip us intellectually or professionally, but we've got one or two cards up our sleeve that convince them we're not a total waste of time. - Having said that, I think this is maybe the best episode for Gary Cole in this role. The moment where he has his epiphany, and maybe especially when he tells Will he's not that interested in what the President thinks of him, are great. - The guy playing the Israeli Prime Minister is Armin Mueller-Stahl, who was nominated for an Oscar in 1996 for the movie Shine (his costar, Geoffrey Rush, won Best Actor that year, beating out Tom Cruise in Jerry Maguire). - Speaking of Jerry Maguire -- hello Jay Mohr! I've seen exactly one movie where he wasn't a complete slimeball. Picture Perfect. A 90s romcom he starred in with Jennifer Aniston. Cute movie, but forgettable.

Weird Magic

Originally airing on February 11, 2004, 'The Warfare of Genghis Khan' is Episode 13 of Season 5 of The West Wing. It is the 102nd episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 7.8, placing it as the #10 ranked episode of this season and #81 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Youtalkingtome
>>148997302

Not a Jay Mohr fan. I don't know this episode really worked for me. I thought it was absolutely brilliant. Very effective and the needle drop at the end was amazing.

Youtalkingtome
>>148991205

Not dismissing anyone's opinion! If it didn't work for ya that's totally fair and I can see where you're coming from. I like how precedent so much of this show is. You forget that it came out 20 years ago.

Balazs Foldes

I like the writing of this episode. There is one minor nitpickiness I have to raise. The 'I'm the congressman from West Colorado Mining'. It's a well-written rebuttal, like it. But the build-up? 'I'm sure you are wondering how I know so much about nuclear blablabla...'. Come on. That sounds so made up. Why couldn't somebody ask it from him? Like, give that line to Leo! 'Mr. Vice President, I have not known you are so knowledgable about nuclear technology!' 'Well, Leo, you know I was called the congressman from West Colorado Mining...'

Balazs Foldes

So, yeah, I like this episode. I do have a belief that a lot of life-shaping events are always up to randome small things. Meeting spouses, getting jobs, deciding careers... I can easily imagine that this also applies to world-historic events as well. A bombing of a country could very well depend on a random person knowing something. Although, to be fair, Leo and the President only sent the planes to be ready, and they did say they will not go live until they have proof that it was Iran. Or, at least, that was my understanding. So, who knows...

Balazs Foldes
>>148997302

I love Müller-Stahl. He is such a characteristic actor. I also loved him as the important cardinal in Angels&Demons, as well as the 1990s remake of 12 angry men, as the juror with the dimple on his nose because of the glasses. (I know many people dislike that movie compared to 1950s one, but I've seen it first, and I just loved it).

Joy M

I had a speech communications class in college with a guy who’s grandfather was a member of the crew on the Enola Gay that bombed Hiroshima. He gave a presentation about it and how it saved more lives than it cost. Some people in the class were not receptive to that idea.

Curtis Higareda
>>148991205

This.... it's really kind of depressing how relevant so many of the issues they cover in this show still are today....

Adam Crandall

I'm so glad you got to hear "Dark was the Night. Cold was the Ground" by Blind Willie Johnson. And yes, the song is very chilling. When I was learning jazz the classes I took taught me about personal pain, and writing it into your music. Like all artists. He got brought up. And the story of Voyager. How a man that almost everyone doesn't know of, who died unknown, has his music representing the blues in a spacecraft headed outside our system, just in case it comes into contact with anything. Along with every great composer of a style of music. Now that's a legacy. It gives us hope. Just like Mars or Bust.

Adam Crandall
>>148997302

I'm so glad you got to hear "Dark was the Night. Cold was the Ground" by Blind Willie Johnson. And yes, the song is very chilling. When I was learning jazz the classes I took taught me about personal pain, and writing it into your music. Like all artists. He got brought up. And the story of Voyager. How a man that almost everyone doesn't know of, who died unknown, has his music representing the blues in a spacecraft headed outside our system, just in case it comes into contact with anything. Along with every great composer of a style of music. Now that's a legacy. It gives us hope. Just like Mars or Bust.

Skinny_Obelix

Regarding the criticism on the last episode being too farfetched, I'm afraid some people are naive about the entire show vs reality. There's no way Leo would survive the drug abuse scandal, Bartlet wouldn't survive the MS scandal, ... This is a show about what politics could be, but never is, was or will be. And I'm afraid that people who treat it any differently might be surprised what happens behind closed doors with the people they vote for.

Youtalkingtome
>>149015974

Okay fair point lol. I don't know, we just underrate Bob so much, I was happy to see the guy have a win!

Youtalkingtome
>>149044666

It's obviously very divisive. I don't know how I feel about it honestly. It's a terrible thing. No one should have these weapons, however I understand the necessity of them in the first place. I think the film Oppenheimer has the best answer in terms of nuclear weapons. An incredible feat but a very similar tale to Prometheus.

Youtalkingtome
>>149087864

They use that song in Killers of the Flower Moon. It is absolutely chilling in that film. Amazing piece of music

Youtalkingtome
>>149099837

I tend to agree. It's a fictitious show that shows us certain situations that COULD happen in the White House.

Joy M
>>149099837

I liked CJ’s line in the episode “The Fall’s Gonna Kill You” about how 1 in 40 American men wear women’s clothing and we’ve had well over 40 presidents…”

D Gyre

*listens to that pre-episode discussion* ooohhh bboooyyy. this is going to be a fun ride to finish

JVTrickypants

Showing that Bingo Bob can come up with information based on his completely different route to the White House was always interesting to me. President Bartlet IS quite an elitist who looks down his nose at others sometimes, but also knows that the most important thing is getting information no matter where it comes from as long as it helps get the answer correct.

Peggy G

Can't wait for y'all to get to S5E17 in a couple weeks (my 2nd favorite ep of the whole series), I've literally been waiting years for y'all to get there. 😆

David
>>149015974

I thought it worked fine. Leo uses "Congressman from Western Colorado Mining" to express derision for Russell and his assumed ignorance (I'm of course inferring based on the dialogue), and Russell makes a pointed dig back that Leo himself doesn't understand the significance of the moniker that he uses to insult him.