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The Sopranos, Season 3, Episode 2 (Patreon)

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2024-10-22 18:00:05
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2026-06
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Brian Harris

So yes, Nancy Marchand did pass away between seasons two and three, which changed a lot of David Chase’s plans for the season. There was supposed to be a big conflict over whether Livia would testify against Tony or not, and Janice was not supposed to be back this soon (I think I read Chase wasn’t planning to bring her back til Season 4). So he had to change a lot on the fly. Given that, I think the season, this episode in particular, is a bit of a masterpiece. My only beef is with CGI Livia. That was not done well.

Kevin L
>>153066799

I always wondered why they decided they needed a weird final scene between her & Tony. Especially since the only way to do it was with CGI and looping old audio from other conversations. Marchand's passing seemed sudden, I imagine (despite being quite ill), and so Livia's was too, whether they include that scene or not.

Brian Harris
>>153066799

The dialogue in that scene is uncharacteristically awkward and expositional too. I think Chase was worried people would forget about the plane tickets and think he just let the thread go.

Gona Zoles

Did you miss a certain friend's of ours appearance in the mirror at around 43:30? Makes me wonder if it was all in Tony's imagination or if ghosts are real in the Sopranos world.

Kevin L

Did you catch the ghost in the mirror? Starting about 47:48 in your video above. :)

Gona Zoles
>>153066799

Yeah CGI Livia is one of the only things that bummed out in the series. Just some kind of phone call would have sufficed in my opinion. I'm not saying that it would have been easy to make though.

Youtalkingtome
>>153066799

While it was clear Livia was repeating her same old lines, it seemed very in-character for her, so I didn't catch that it was CG.

Jeff

Not that it's a big part of the episode, but can we discuss the Robert Frost poem? Meadow's interpretation is the same as my understanding of its meaning, and seems to be the most common view, which is why it was used in this episode about death. What is your interpretation of it, and where did you learn it? Not attacking, just curious.

Scott Pearson Eberly
>>153066799

I disagree that it wasn’t done well. It was 2001, HBO wasn’t going to spend a summer blockbuster film budget for this. I worked on a similar type CGI issue in 2005 and it was better, but not by much. Personally, I think Chase wanted the scene because it’s always more shocking when you get the news someone had died just after having seen them in a very routine manner. I love the scene when Tony gets the scene; Gandolfini was brilliant, Carmela showed such compassion delivering the news, Meadow overlooking her anger against her father for a moment, and AJ being AJ.

Roland Cooke
>>153093812

I never knew that "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" had subtext, but I guess it makes sense, especially with the last line(s). I just love the poem for its overt meanings, and I'm not sure I need more than that. I first came across the poem when I watched the movie Telefon a million years ago, which is an interesting watch for those of us following Joe and Kevin's journey with The Americans. > The poem was featured in the 1977 movie Telefon starring Charles Bronson and Lee Remick, and based off the 1975 novel of the same name by Walter Wager. It was used as a plot device involving a group of Soviet sleeper agents in various places in the United States, thoroughly brainwashed into functioning undercover as American citizens, and being "activated" by a code phrase; the last verse of the poem followed by the agent's real name. <

Jeff
>>153093812

That's where I first heard it too! I loved that movie at the time; I'm not sure how well it would hold up today. But the ominous sound of "...and miles to go before I sleep" has always stuck with me.

JVTrickypants

Joey Pants is what he goes by, or at least with The Soprano's cast.

JVTrickypants

On the Talking Sopranos podcast they said apparently the funeral scene was the hardest one to shoot of the entire series because nobody could stop cracking up lol.

Df

Christopher’s rant imo is a very profound way of looking at death but I’m always baked so I’m a bad example