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The Wire, Season 1, Episode 12 (Patreon)

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Pam Nail

- I think a huge part of the reason this show was ignored by the Emmys is that it was so entirely a Baltimore production and far removed from the Hollywood machine. - "Boy had to get himself correct" is my favorite line from this whole dang show. Lance Reddick's delivery is so damn cool. - Wallace's death really hurts. And I want to hate Bodie and Poot, but they're kids too.

Kevin L

Daniels and McNulty on the stairs, taking Avon down, what a great parallel to Bodie and Poot on the stairs heading up with Wallace. Even the little head gesture, so well done.

that girl

Wallace the character might have been 16, but Michael B. Jordan the actor was 14-15 (depending on when each episode was shot)

dys

Michael B. Jordan was in another movie from the same director as the infamously bad Fantastic Four movie (a few years before that but after The Wire), Chronicle, which was actually really good. Obviously Josh Trank trashed his career after that but it was a promising debut at the time. Wallace's death is so hard to watch. It REALLY messed me up originally, but it's not much easier on rewatch. Then the "Where's Wallace, String?" scene just guts me.

JENNIFER ELIASON

I'm so glad you are enjoying S1! You may also enjoy the Friday Night Lights series which Michael B. Jordan appeared on after The Wire.

dys
>>155937569

I really hated Bodie after this episode, it took me a long time to like his character again. Poot not as much, partly because he just isn't as fleshed-out a character at this point but also because he seemed a lot more reluctant, he was visibly crying while Bodie was trying to put up a tough guy front, and it seemed like he only took the final shots to put Wallace out of his suffering.

nj

after the wire, michael b. jordan did a few years of all my children, followed by a few years of guest roles on procedurals (csi, cold case, bones, etc.), then longer stints on friday night lights and parenthood 2009-2011, a couple movies and other guest roles in 2012, and then fruitvale station was 2013. (speaking of fruitvale station, i had the good fortune to see it at a screening with ryan coogler present - he did a q&a after. he's so great.) please accept this as my periodic plug for you to cover friday night lights. (maybe as a patreon exclusive because it was on nbc, although at least a couple channels have managed to make it work on youtube.)

the chosen one

I never hated bodie or poot. They are the same age as Wallace and have known nothing else. They’ve been completely manipulated and controlled by people like stringer. This was basically bodies test to see if he was good enough to make it. I hate stringer and Avon, and weebay and the other adults of the crew, but the kids are still just kids until they aren’t. I haven’t seen this reaction yet so idk how you guys feel about bodie after this, but I know a lot of people hate him for it which I find unfair.

the chosen one

Michael b Jordan says after all the roles he’s done when people see him on the street they yell “where’s Wallace.” Which shows just how much that scene and character have affected people. It’s also kinda funny considering he wasn’t even in the where’s Wallace scene.

Robert Bauman

Man, the Wallace scene is just as brutal on re-watch. A lot of his mannerisms reinforce how he really is just a kid who has been put in a truly awful situation through no fault of his own. Immediately after my first watch this scene kind of soured me on Bodie. But I largely agree with the other commenters that Stringer is more the villain for ordering two teenagers to kill one of their only friends.

Robert Bauman

You will also get to see more of the minor characters like Bodie and Poot as the series goes on. One of the more interesting aspects of the show is how it is able to show characters do some objectively awful things while also portraying the circumstances, institutions, etc. in a realistic way that helps you at least understand how or why they are the way they are

trenton gragg

At the time, The Wire, was going up against The West Wing, Sopranos, Six Feet Under, 24, CSI, Lost. HBO pushed Sopranos and Six Feet Under during awards seasons.

the chosen one
>>155944611

It did the opposite for me with bodie. It made me love and empathize with him that much more. Bodie is a product of his environment, forced to make impossible choices in a system designed to erase empathy and humanity. He clearly had problems with shooting Wallace, and hid them as insults at Wallace’s masculinity. His actions aren’t excusable, but they are completely understandable when you consider everything. He is a kid, and if he showed weakness with this he probably would’ve gotten the same fate Wallace did.

Mithroch

Michael B. Jordan was on All My Children for like three seasons. Then on Friday Night Lights for like the last two seasons and on Parenthood for a season after that. Fruitvale Station was a bit after that. There's probably more.. but that's what I know.

Oceanflower
>>155943168

yeah, I don't really get people who hate him cause like... why?? This life is what they grew up in and Bodie said it very clearly, they either step up or step off. The fact that they were told to get rid of Wallace also was a message to them 'you either do this or this could be you next'. If they don't want to do it, they have to pack their bags and leave Baltimore, like Wallace did, and stay away forever and that's IF they have family outside of Baltimore to begin with. To leave their homes, families and everything they know FOREVER. What kind of choice is that? Being mad at these teens for not making that choice - for not choosing to be starving and homeless somewhere else - shows to me a fundamental misunderstanding of what this show is about.

Oceanflower
>>155937569

imo it makes no sense to hate Bodie. the choice for him was to either do this or pack his bags, leave his entire life in Baltimore behind and never return if he doesn't wanna end up like Wallace. that was the choice he was given. I'm not gonna hate a teenager for saving his own life.

the chosen one
>>155943168

Exactly. Anybody in his shoes would’ve done the same thing. Because like you said the choice is not even a choice.

steve borden

Poot and Bodie had to put in the work in order for them to move up in the game. They both just got a promotion, Poot was sent away earlier when Stringer came down to the pit. He will definitely be able to sit in on the next convo with him jumping up to Lt and Bodie more than likely taking D’s spot as Cpt. running the pit. Wallace was a liability, he already showed he’d talk to the cops, whose to say he won’t throw either of them under their bus if he got busted

nj
>>155937569

i always find it interesting and maybe a little telling that leading up to the point they're in the room, bodie comes across as more matter of fact and hard about what needs to be done and poot seems a little less certain, but in the room bodie's hardness fades and he hesitates and really seems to struggle with what he knows he has to do, and he's unsteady with the first shot - then poot takes the gun from him with a steadier hand and finishes it with two quick shots. the whole thing is heartbreaking on all sides. and then d, asking stringer where's wallace . . .

Rozenn Keribin

WHAT YOU DO IN THE INTERIM IS FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS WATCH FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS NOW (he's not in the first season so you want to get started early yaknow)

Rozenn Keribin

There is something so interesting about the "be a man" talk with Wallace this episode isn't it? It's the whole justification for killing Wallace - that he's a boy, not a man, and conversely Bodie (and Poot, whether he embraces that view himself or not) proves that he is a man by killing Wallace. The lunch conversation confirms this - there probably isn't an answer Wallace could have given that would have changed things, idk how much Bodie was hoping Wallace would prove he was a man & thus they didn't need to kill him or hoping for confirmation he was a boy & thus that they had no choice; the fact he asked at least shows it mattered to him or his rationalizations. But then when it comes time to kill him, now Wallace being a boy is a problem because it means Bodie is killing a child! Now suddenly his rationalization needs Wallace to be a man to make the act doable. You also really see a new side to Poot here. He always seemed the goofy forgettable sidekick, and I don't know if he'd have been up for killing Wallace if Stringer had come to him instead of Bodie, but once he's in he's in. Bodie spends the whole episode trying to justify things to himself & others, even when he's supposed to shoot Wallace he can't pull the trigger and when he does he can't aim right. Poot in the meantime is clearly also affected, he's crying, but he's the one who gets Bodie to pull the trigger on the act they'd both agreed on and he delivers the kill shots Bodie couldn't.

Rozenn Keribin
>>155937569

The thing is, and I don't hate Bodie (or at least I don't at this point, I don't remember how I felt the first time), but I don't think it's just about "he didn't have a choice". Like, even if you have two people who have no choice as to the life they lead I think we can still see a difference between the person who leads it reluctantly and the one who embraces it, and Bodie is clearly the second here. From the outside we can see he's a kid in a culture and environment that narrows his choices but if you asked him he'd likely say he wants to be Avon when he grows up, that this is a worthy goal for a strong, smart, determined man to have and he hopes to be such a man. The saving grace of him being a kid is that he's not frozen like this - he might grow up to be Avon, or an Omar, or a Weylon... But in this moment it's Avon he wants to be and I think that's a fair thing to judge him over, for those who do that. If he did grow up to be an Omar or a Weylon he'd probably judge his past self on that basis too. The reality that his alternatives here are death or losing everything he knows are less relevant if *his own* calculus wasn't about those alternatives, but "can I progress in this organization & prove myself worthy of it without doing this". And the show so far has given us every reason to think his calculus would have been the second. (much less so with Poot for example).

Robert Bauman
>>155944611

I agree with your perspective. I'm more referring to my instant reaction on first viewing. In the moment it's just really hard to watch Wallace realize what his two closest friends are about to do

Jonathan

Before the show ever aired David Simon wrote a 5 part outline for the world of The Wire, details on the outline changed as time went on but the 5 headings stayed the same and HBO execs knowing that outline existed played a part in the show getting 5 years compared to shows making it up as they went.

Jonathan

You can see the conflict on Bodie’s face he was struggling with that as much as Poot. Wallace’s death hit me like a punch when it happened but I didn’t hate Bodie and Poot, I hated Stringer. Stringer had the choice Bodie didn’t.

Youtalkingtome
>>155942989

Yeah, we've talked about doing it! If it doesn't give us any trouble that would be a fun one. Alas NBC makes it difficult.

Youtalkingtome
>>155943168

We didn't really get into how Bodie and Poot are kids as well. It's something that I'd love to talk about in the next episode.

Youtalkingtome
>>155943415

It's gunna be hard to separate him from this role now. Obviously he's much older and jacked. I'm just gunna see that poor kid.

Youtalkingtome
>>155944611

Yeah, I can't defend Bodie and I feel gross in the justification. If any thing I hate Stringer and Avon that much more.

dys
>>155945615

I gotta get around to finally watching The Sopranos if it still beats The Wire for you. Of course you're just scratching the surface of The Wire now even at the end of the first season, it has just begun to lay the groundwork for arcs that play out over multiple seasons and get such incredible payoff.

dys
>>155944729

Doesn't seem like much of a spoiler IMO that we'll get to see more of some characters that played a fairly important role this season.

dys
>>156055179

No doubt Stringer has caused immense death and suffering, but as a character he's so compelling that I don't think "the worst" is a fitting description. It's not a term I would apply to extremely competent and pragmatic villains like him. Compare to like Theon Greyjoy in Game of Thrones season 2, who is the worst, as an ineffectual villain who accomplishes none of his own goals because of his incompetence but also ruins everything for everyone else.

dys
>>156055006

I don't think there's any spoiler in saying each season focuses on a particular aspect of how American cities are failing, using Baltimore as a case study.

Carla Davis
>>156055179

Also when poot shot Wallace it was him showing mercy Wallace wasn't dead. He was suffering at that point and also if poor didn't have a hand in it he could have been perceived as a liability. Poor didn't want bodie to keep verbally berating him and then him lingering. And he also wanted to make sure that he would be found. It sounds crazy but poot should Mercy and love for Wallace in that situation.

Carla Davis
>>155944729

It is because they don't know who will live or die. So suggest they will be there for seasons so come tells them what? We should only talk about the episodes they just watched. That's it.

Robert Bauman
>>155944729

I didn't realize my comment was going to cause a commotion lol. All I said was you will see characters who are still alive at the end of the episode again in the series. I really don't see how that is spoiling anything. I did not mention "seasons to come" or allude to anyone's fate. If J&K think this is spoiling then I will be more cognizant of how I word my comments moving forward, otherwise...some of y'all are really extrapolating what I said IMO