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Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 2, Episode 7 (Patreon)

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Lie to Me

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Nicholas Reed

I believe the phrase "Stick out like a sore thumb" is a pun on the phrase "stick out" and a reference to the fact that an injured thumb has to be stabilized in the "thumbs up" position, so no matter what you do with your hand, the thumb will be stuck pointing out.

dys

The shop owner's name was Ethan Rayne. I don't think Giles is faking being sore after sparring with Buffy, we know now that he's some kind of badass but he's still human and Buffy has superhuman strength. I really forgot how great this episode is.

Jonathan

The kid in the cold open was a “hey it’s that kid” in the early 2000s. He was constantly getting gigs on many great shows and movies and shared the screen with alot of great talent but never really reached star status himself.

Jamie Morgan
>>176237989

I always saw it in the more cartoony sense of a sore thumb being all big and red 😂

Jamie Morgan

This episode is just...*chef's kiss*. I love that they're now really delving into the complexities of what makes a villain a villain. Angel is, ostensibly, The Good Guy, but now we know he's done some truly heinous things. Yes, he feels guilty, but is that enough? And 'villain of the week' Ford is just a scared kid with a terminal illness, but unlike Angel he feels barely any remorse for what he's doing. Yet I still cry when he dies because I 100% sympathise with his plight, even if I 100% disagree with his actions. Also, Spike and Drusilla actually holding up their deal with Ford is so insidious, because they KNOW Buffy will be waiting at his grave to stake him immediately. They are a devious pair! Edit: I've never thought of this before, but Ford's parents can go to hell for making him go to school when he only has six months to live! Let him go to Disneyland, for god's sake!

Erica

I had this episode on VHS recorded off tv as well as the 2 following. We didn't have a huge collection of tapes or dvds, so ive seen this episode dozens of times. Even though it's fairly sad, it gives me extra nostalgia, even more than the rest of the series

IDoDabble

Buffy's always been very meaningful to me, and this episode is one of the ones that is crucial to why. There was a thread about Camus and the concept of choice elsewhere on the patreon, and this episode goes right to the heart of that (and props to Passion of the Nerd for that analysis, none of that is mine and wow when it clicked). Personally I've always found comfort in the power of choice. Corny as it sounds, to me the way Buffy as a show handles that is very inspirational.

Youtalkingtome
>>176275487

You're so right. Great villain episode and I love that we had an upsetting episode. These are pretty mature themes in a very tongue in cheek show. LOVE IT

Lola Lirola

One of my favorite episodes. "Nothing is simple anymore" is the motto of the second season overall. And I love the commitment to shades of grey. If the show is about "Highschool is literally Hell", I enjoy that we've moved from just classic monsters into more nuance with everything. I also love how meta this all is. In movies and fiction, characters very rarely seem to acknowledge that fiction exists! Notable exceptions are the Scream franchise and Cabin in the Woods, which has some Buffy writers at the helm. But, in general, it is rare to see people opently admit that they want to narrativize their lives like a movie and curate it by tropes, which in real life happens all too often (see also: social media)... This aspect jumped at me this time.

Tony Hofmann

Foundational episode unlocked. "You have a choice. You don't have a good choice, but you have a choice." That's the thematic montra that's woven into the soul of nearly every episode of the show, even some eariler episodes before "Lie To Me" gave it literal voice. And really, watching a character struggle with whether they will compromise their soul for an easy out or whether they'll make the hard choice of staying in a difficult situation and endure the consequences, is esentially what you find at the heart of nearly all great stories. BTVS does that, but also manages to liven things up with screwball paced dialogue and the consideration that Giles had to endure a couple of hours at a monster-truck rallly, because, ya know, sacrifice is also a pretty big theme in this show. Of the many aspects that are facinating about this episode, one I'd like to highlight is Spike and Dru opting to make good on their deal with Ford. Really, Spike finds him to be irritating and only of any use when he proposes his plan to trap the Slayer for him. At the point where Spike knows that killing Buffy is off the table, he doesn't have to fulfill Ford's request. Ford is a human. Vamps typically only view them as food, not equal beings they need to save face with by honoring their end of a pact. Yet, Spike (and ostensibly Dru too, since she's right their trapped alongside everybody) keeps his word to this irritating (from Spike's point of view) free-range nutrient farm. Super interesting, and maybe a question worth revisiting later on.

Ash Lee Can

I always assumed that the reason the kid's mom didn't show up in the beginning was because she was already dead. It is the Sunnydale, after all lol...

Tommy Ross

Speaking as someone with autism, there are a lot of people (especially children, like in this cold open) who genuinely struggle to "pick up on the vibe" or "read the room." I've noticed that you really seem to think less of characters who don't read the room perfectly (and right away). Do you think it's weak writing or that it makes the characters stupid? Not being able to pick up on social cues might make someone vulnerable, but it doesn't make them stupid. I mean, Kevin will start yelling if someone (even a child) doesn't immediately know what's going on at the very first dropped hint.